2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[Caliga]

I think it's the other way around.  Plenty of Hispanics have made it up the economic ladder.  Then they want to hang out with the rich white guys.  They want to join the country club.  They want status.  They vote Republican.  The Democrats are the party of losers.  The Republicans are the party of winners.

Interesting.  I do agree many Hispanics have made it up the economic ladder, too (I think not the majority but could be wrong).  I would still argue identity politics doesn't work on them, and your point holds.  It would be if like someone tried to appeal to Italian Americans specifically.  It would never work because they're fully integrated into American culture.  Maybe that's true of Hispanics now.

[Josquius]

Just heard Harris' concession speech.  It really fell flat.  She essentially said she did what she set out to do. No she did not.  She then ended the speech by saying America was entering a period of darkness.  She just pissed off everyone. She pissed off her base by claiming all had gone well with her campaign.  And she pissed off everyone who didn't vote for her by saying they were effectively forces of darkness.

That might be something she could pull off is she won the vote count but lost in the EC.  But she lost by every measure.  That is the time a politician says the people have spoken, we hear them, and will do better.

I won't watch it as it will just be depressing. But as you explain it here it sounds like a good balance? The dems finally getting the message?
Not just all smiles, everything is fine, this is normal, congratulations to my opponent who would do the same in my position.
But at the same time not throwing a trumpian hissy fit and attempting a coup.
Rather Trump has won the election but he's still a horrible piece of shit and we should prepare for the worst.

[Admiral Yi]

Trump was the first incumbent President to lose re-election since Carter, who faced far more brutal economic conditions. By the book, he should have won that election handily.

Bush 41

[Admiral Yi]

Just to repeat here from another discussion: I think my problem isn't with DG's core argument. He might even be right. But "woke" has been for many years a far-right term used to define the things they do not like. If you define/summarise your problem with parts of the Left as "woke-ism" you are demonstrably under right-wing influence, even if your concerns are otherwise valid.

This is a repeat of Squeeze's guilt by association argument.  The word was introduced by the left.  The fact that right wingers use it doesn't mean they are under left wing influence.  It's short hand for a set of ideas which you can agree with or disagree with.  You can disagree with them reasonably, which makes you a DGuller type centrist, or unreasonably, which makes you a right winger.

[Tamas]

What set of ideas? Maybe it's well defined in the US but in the UK it is used for any kind of complaints by the right.

[Tamas]

Anyways the rest is history guy again had a good summary I think: it's been proven that Trump wasn't an anomaly, this is 21st century politics now, the post-war, settled, consensual style of politics is gone for ever, it's an age of turbulence and chaos and we need politics that deals with that.

[Grey Fox]

Just heard Harris' concession speech.  It really fell flat.  She essentially said she did what she set out to do. No she did not.  She then ended the speech by saying America was entering a period of darkness.  She just pissed off everyone. She pissed off her base by claiming all had gone well with her campaign.  And she pissed off everyone who didn't vote for her by saying they were effectively forces of darkness.

That might be something she could pull off is she won the vote count but lost in the EC.  But she lost by every measure.  That is the time a politician says the people have spoken, we hear them, and will do better.

Yes, reality will hit the bad guys hard soon enough.

[crazy canuck]

What set of ideas? Maybe it's well defined in the US but in the UK it is used for any kind of complaints by the right.

The way the right has distorted the meaning of the word, it has the meaning described by Yi. But that was not the meaning the word had originally.

I wish I still had the quote in my signature describing how quickly the meaning changed.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

at least schadenfreude will be in ample supply

[Admiral Yi]

What set of ideas? Maybe it's well defined in the US but in the UK it is used for any kind of complaints by the right.

I'm guessing it's not used for complaints about taxes being too high or highways being built too close to their houses.

Classical wokeism is a black only thing.  It's the assertion that racism is everywhere around us and if you don't realize that you're stupid.  I think crazy canuck has the definition in his signature. (Is that what the area at the bottom is called?)

The word has migrated to occupy the space once filled by politically correct.  Political correctness is the belief that the world is divided into oppressed minorities and oppressors.  That any grievance claimed by a member of an oppressed minority is by definition legitimate and must be accomodated.  That anyone opposing that grievance is by definition evil.

[Savonarola]

Can I also suggest that Harris was also just kind of a boring candidate, and would have been unlikely to survive the nomination process?

I heard her speak a few times.  I mean she was 'fine', but she didn't have the huge charisma of an Obama (or Trump), wasn't running on any particular inspiring policy or platform, and just didn't give people much a reason to vote for her?

I think this played a large role.  I also think that her brand was inherently contradictory; she was the candidate who was going to "Turn the page," but she's currently the Vice President of the United States.  She ran on "Joy" yet her foremost argument was fear (of another Trump presidency.)

This was further complicated by the way she entered the race; late into the election cycle and not following the usual selection process.  Even if she had followed a more traditional route it still would have been difficult as she is following an unpopular president in her own party.

Under those circumstances, I think she ran the best campaign she was capable of.  Maybe she would have won Pennsylvania if she had picked Shapiro rather than Walz as her running mate, but even that wouldn't have given her an Electoral College victory.

[chipwich]

I voted for Harris but couldn't stand listening to her talk for more than 3 seconds. She was basically an A.I composite.

[Tamas]

What set of ideas? Maybe it's well defined in the US but in the UK it is used for any kind of complaints by the right.

I'm guessing it's not used for complaints about taxes being too high or highways being built too close to their houses.

Classical wokeism is a black only thing.  It's the assertion that racism is everywhere around us and if you don't realize that you're stupid.  I think crazy canuck has the definition in his signature. (Is that what the area at the bottom is called?)

The word has migrated to occupy the space once filled by politically correct.  Political correctness is the belief that the world is divided into oppressed minorities and oppressors.  That any grievance claimed by a member of an oppressed minority is by definition legitimate and must be accomodated.  That anyone opposing that grievance is by definition evil.

Thanks.

[Admiral Yi]

you betcha

[garbon]