2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[chipwich]

Leftwing supporters aren't going to act differently because they are stupid zealots.

[The Minsky Moment]

I think Democrats in reality lost in 2020

OK.  Personally I wish the party could have many more such losses.

[The Minsky Moment]

It seems like the conclusion is that identity politics no longer works on any category of voters other than white males . . .

[Valmy]

Leftwing supporters aren't going to act differently because they are stupid zealots.

Well we have to deal with the stupid zealots we have, not the stupid zealots we wish we had.

[DGuller]

I think Democrats in reality lost in 2020

OK.  Personally I wish the party could have many more such losses.

Sure, I'm okay winning the minimum with the aces, if you deal me aces every hand. Problem is that I won't always get aces.  If every time Republicans get dealt aces they rig the system even more to their benefit, and every time the Democrats get dealt aces they just put that rigging on pause, who's exactly winning over the long run?

Come on, seriously, don't pretend you don't get my point.  Do you really think this advances the conversation?

[HVC]

Leftwing supporters aren't going to act differently because they are stupid zealots.

Well we have to deal with the stupid zealots we have, not the stupid zealots we wish we had.

Left wing zealots are also more prone to punishing their parties for not going far enough than right wing zealots.

[grumbler]

I also think that Shapiro was out of the running as veep because he was an outspoken pro-Israel Jew, so that's another area where wokedom had some influence influence.  Anti-Israeli sentiment isn't just a woke phenomenon, but it definitely has wokedom on its side, with all the usual selective standards of justice applied.

Shapiro was not selected as the VP candidate because he wasn't willing to accept less than an effective co-presidency.  Being a typical vice-president isn't the stepping-stone to presidential office it once was.

"Woke" is not hiding behind every tree.  In fact, please define for me "woke" in a way that people you think are "woke" would agree with.

[DGuller]

It seems like the conclusion is that identity politics no longer works on any category of voters other than white males . . .

Do you think that the left played no part in putting them on the defensive?  Do you think the white males shouldn't feel unwelcome when a Democratic president publicly declares that he won't make one them his veep or his SC nominee?

[DGuller]

"Woke" is not hiding behind every tree.  In fact, please define for me "woke" in a way that people you think are "woke" would agree with.

I already tried doing that once, then everyone derailed the conversation with some stupid nonsense about ChatGPT.  I'm not going there again.

[Valmy]

It seems like the conclusion is that identity politics no longer works on any category of voters other than white males . . .

Do you think that the left played no part in putting them on the defensive?  Do you think the white males shouldn't feel unwelcome when a Democratic president publicly declares that he won't make one them his veep or his SC nominee?

Well I guess I took it that he was trying to balance the ticket. Got to make sure other groups are on board. Like Obama had to pick a white man and so did Kamala. When JFK picked LBJ because he wanted a Southerner I don't think all the Midwesterners were outraged. It was all done for electoral reasons. To get out the black and female vote, not to exclude anybody.

But anyway he won. Kamala picked a white male for her VP and she lost. So...how about that?

Besides she was literally the first VP in history who wasn't a white male. And now a white male will be VP again. I guess I didn't feel threatened by that.

[chipwich]

"Woke" is not hiding behind every tree.  In fact, please define for me "woke" in a way that people you think are "woke" would agree with.

I already tried doing that once, then everyone derailed the conversation with some stupid nonsense about ChatGPT.  I'm not going there again.

Grumbler's long-term memory has degenerated to less than 6 months. 

[grumbler]

Sure, I'm okay winning the minimum with the aces, if you deal me aces every hand. Problem is that I won't always get aces.  If every time Republicans get dealt aces they rig the system even more to their benefit, and every time the Democrats get dealt aces they just put that rigging on pause, who's exactly winning over the long run?

Come on, seriously, don't pretend you don't get my point.  Do you really think this advances the conversation?

Your insistence that politics is the same as poker doesn't advance the conversation, either.  Calling a win a loss because it wasn't a big win misses the entire point of politics, which is to get power.  Even limiter power.

[Zoupa]

You guys are digging and digging. Maybe the answer is that a majority of your countrymen are just stupid.

Apparently Harris got less than Biden in terms of percentage of the female vote. 45 % of women voted Trump. There's only so much you can explain and decipher. Maybe y'all are just morons.

[grumbler]

"Woke" is not hiding behind every tree.  In fact, please define for me "woke" in a way that people you think are "woke" would agree with.

I already tried doing that once, then everyone derailed the conversation with some stupid nonsense about ChatGPT.  I'm not going there again.

If you tried and failed to define "woke," will you accept that it is a nonsense word to anyone but you?  Language is about communication, and even you admit that "woke" doesn't communicate anything that you can articulate.

[Valmy]

You guys are digging and digging. Maybe the answer is that a majority of your countrymen are just stupid.

Apparently Harris got less than Biden in terms of percentage of the female vote. 45 % of women voted Trump. There's only so much you can explain and decipher. Maybe y'all are just morons.

I don't know if "stupid" is the right descriptor, but yes very disheartening.