2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[frunk]

I already answered the question as to why earlier in this thread.  Hispanic voters don't respond to identity politics.  The Republicans convinced everyone the economy was doing badly, and voters who tend to be poorer don't have the energy to care about idealistic things like trans rights, affirmative action, and so on.  They want someone who promises them that they'll be able to pay their bills.  Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, dude.

I don't think I saw a single ad about identity politics from Harris's campaign, while I saw tons from Trump.  The Harris campaign ads I saw were almost all about the economy, taxes and how dangerous Trump is.

So, I mean it's not like Harris didn't try and they certainly weren't out of touch on the issue.

[HVC]

Sheilbh was correct. Man got battered in here but he was right. Should've had a primary.

Not long enough of a time frame. Even a good candidate would have trouble, and I don't think the dems even have a good candidate, truthfully.

[FunkMonk]

In 2028 Dems need to go full blown socialist agenda, handouts to the poor.

[FunkMonk]

Sheilbh was correct. Man got battered in here but he was right. Should've had a primary.

Sure we can just spout random things but this isn't really an alt hist fan site.

 

[Tamas]

If the anti-Israel stance of the far-left is a wokism than wokism is what, 60 years old?

[Caliga]

I don't think I saw a single ad about identity politics from Harris's campaign, while I saw tons from Trump.  The Harris campaign ads I saw were almost all about the economy, taxes and how dangerous Trump is.

So, I mean it's not like Harris didn't try and they certainly weren't out of touch on the issue.

I'm not meaning to say that I think the Harris campaign tried to use identity politics as part of their strategy.  I'm saying they won't vote as a bloc based on their racial identity... whatever tactics work with working-class whites will work with them.  So comments like Valmy's 'we bombed the Hispanic vote' don't make sense... what the Dems bombed was the working class vote.  There IS no separate Hispanic vote.

[garbon]

I don't think I saw a single ad about identity politics from Harris's campaign, while I saw tons from Trump.  The Harris campaign ads I saw were almost all about the economy, taxes and how dangerous Trump is.

So, I mean it's not like Harris didn't try and they certainly weren't out of touch on the issue.

I'm not meaning to say that I think the Harris campaign tried to use identity politics as part of their strategy.  I'm saying they won't vote as a bloc based on their racial identity... whatever tactics work with working-class whites will work with them.  So comments like Valmy's 'we bombed the Hispanic vote' don't make sense... what the Dems bombed was the working class vote.  There IS no separate Hispanic vote.

Whereas, and this is a secret I'll let you in on, all black people get sent secret messages to let us know how to vote.

[Valmy]

That is such a horrible result for us. This election was a disaster for the Texas Democratic Party. Most of the progress we made over the past decade was washed away and it is because we bombed the Hispanic vote. I have no idea why, obviously this was a problem 4 and 2 years ago but this was on a different level.

I already answered the question as to why earlier in this thread.  Hispanic voters don't respond to identity politics.  The Republicans convinced everyone the economy was doing badly, and voters who tend to be poorer don't have the energy to care about idealistic things like trans rights, affirmative action, and so on.  They want someone who promises them that they'll be able to pay their bills.  Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, dude.

I mean that is a theory I could subscribe to. I don't know for sure though. If the next time there is an economic fuck up on the Republicans watch and they all come rushing back then great. But this was a consistently Democratic voting block for over 100 years. I don't think that suddenly they will start swinging back and forth based on the economy.

But I don't know shit.

[Caliga]

Whereas, and this is a secret I'll let you in on, all black people get sent secret messages to let us know how to vote.

I apologize if I caused any offense to you, g.... but there are also signs identity politics don't work with black voters anymore either.  Maybe America is generally moving away from that now.

[HVC]

If the anti-Israel stance of the far-left is a wokism than wokism is what, 60 years old?

You can go back to the 50s if you include the civil rights movement.

I find some "woke" stuff dumb (very dumb at times), but I don't think that's what cost the election. Harris didn't run on that platform. She had a lot other things going against her before the woke boogeyman even touched her.

[garbon]

Whereas, and this is a secret I'll let you in on, all black people get sent secret messages to let us know how to vote.

I apologize if I caused any offense to you, g.... but there are also signs identity politics don't work with black voters anymore either.  Maybe America is generally moving away from that now.

Because this is just silly rhetoric. The only reason black people (among whom many have conservative political values) didn't vote for Republicans is that the party was constantly demonizing them. That still happens but now it is alright.

After all, this election has shown let your bigotry all hang out. That's hip again.

[DGuller]

Not really, no. Just people who complain about "woke".

Ok, I get it, it's hard for you to take me seriously.  Try your best.  Do you really think that you come off looking smart when you imply that I'm not?

[Valmy]

Hey I would vastly prefer if politics was based on administrative competence and legislative achievements rather than identity politics. But identity politics gets people to the polls, not that shit. Trump was amazing at rallying the Christian nationalist vote.

[Valmy]

I think you are smart DGuller. I just don't see that the Democratic Party has the ability to make its leftwing supporters act differently. And telling your core supporters they are bad and wrong and are the cause of your defeats is probably only going to make things worse, even if it is true.

So I got nothing.

[HVC]

I think you are smart DGuller. I just don't see that the Democratic Party has the ability to make its leftwing supporters act differently. And telling your core supporters they are bad and wrong and are the cause of your defeats is probably only going to make things worse, even if it is true.

So I got nothing.

Yeah, I'm not sure condemning wokeness will do any good, you might appease DGuller's camp, but you'll piss off the other side. Maybe even lose more then you gain.