Woman exempted from union membership due to religious beliefs

Started by viper37, October 16, 2022, 11:33:52 PM

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QuoteA Saskatchewan woman has been exempted from union membership in her workplace because of her religious beliefs.

In a ruling late last month, the Saskatchewan Labour Relations board granted the government worker's request. She argued her Jehovah's Witness beliefs prohibit her from joining political organizations. The woman, who represented herself at the hearing, said that includes unions.

"... She believes that she is to have only one loyalty and it is to the kingdom of God," states the Sept. 29 decision.

The woman acknowledged that not all Jehovah's Witness adherents feel this way about unions, and there is no specific religious teaching prohibiting union membership. She said this is her interpretation of her faith.

"She acknowledges that many governments and unions try to improve the conditions of peoples' lives but there are limitations to what earthly governments and political entities can really accomplish. The kingdom of God is a solution to all problems on earth and will bring about the conditions to benefit all people. It will replace all other earthly governments and will remove any need for 'man-made' institutions," states the decision.

It's unclear whether the woman was asked if she considers her employer, the Government of Saskatchewan, to be a political organization as well.

Even though the woman is now exempt from paying union dues, she will still receive the full benefits of any work conditions negotiated by the Saskatchewan Government and General Employees' Union (SGEU).

"This is very unusual. Many labour lawyers would probably never encounter this kind of issue in the course of their practice," Queen's University law professor Kevin Banks said.

He said cases like this go back decades, but that there were likely only a handful of them across the country during that time.

Banks said the board made it clear this was an exceptional circumstance. He said the woman was required to prove a deep, long standing belief, so he doesn't think this will lead to abuse of the rules.

"The board went into some depth and care in coming to its conclusion that these [beliefs] were sincerely held," Banks said.

York University law professor Valerio De Stefano agreed that careful consideration was given to this complex case.
"On the one hand, the need not to undermine union security clauses [is] a lynchpin of our labour legislation. On the other, the protection of profoundly and demonstrably held religious beliefs," De Stefano said in an emailed statement.
"While it is questionable that unions can be considered 'political entities' in our system, the Board decided not to engage in a theological examination of the merits of those beliefs and decided to accept the worker's request for an exclusion. At the same time, it stressed out the exceptional nature of this exclusion from our model of industrial relations."

An SGEU official said they have no comment on the matter.

It's a good thing freedom of religion sits at the top of our values, way above all the laws of our country.  I'm sure everyone on the left will agree with this judicial decision that sets a precedent. :) It's only fair to not pay union dues, after all... :)

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Anti union and pro religion is a conservative thing, how are you blaming the left here?
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QuoteThe kingdom of God is a solution to all problems on earth and will bring about the conditions to benefit all people. It will replace all other earthly governments and will remove any need for 'man-made' institutions," states the decision.

Of course Jehovah's Witnesses believe that mass genocide of billions is how the problems of the world will be solved by God. Kind of a weird way to "benefit all people" but hey it makes sense if you are a JW.

Anyway the whole mandatory union stuff has always been controversial. I don't really care for it but understand why it exists.

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Quote from: The Brain on October 17, 2022, 01:08:05 AMBeing in the union isn't voluntary? Wtf?


It is voluntary. People don't have to work for an employer who has been unionized.

If what you were talking about is union busting laws, no Canada tends not to have those.

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Quote from: crazy canuck on October 17, 2022, 07:26:17 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 17, 2022, 01:08:05 AMBeing in the union isn't voluntary? Wtf?


It is voluntary. People don't have to work for an employer who has been unionized.

If what you were talking about is union busting laws, no Canada tends not to have those.

What is a union busting law?
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Quote from: The Brain on October 17, 2022, 07:30:18 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 17, 2022, 07:26:17 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 17, 2022, 01:08:05 AMBeing in the union isn't voluntary? Wtf?


It is voluntary. People don't have to work for an employer who has been unionized.

If what you were talking about is union busting laws, no Canada tends not to have those.

What is a union busting law?

One that your first post indicates you would favour

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Quote from: crazy canuck on October 17, 2022, 09:02:16 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 17, 2022, 07:30:18 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 17, 2022, 07:26:17 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 17, 2022, 01:08:05 AMBeing in the union isn't voluntary? Wtf?


It is voluntary. People don't have to work for an employer who has been unionized.

If what you were talking about is union busting laws, no Canada tends not to have those.

What is a union busting law?

One that your first post indicates you would favour

Can't you just tell me?
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crazy canuck

Quote from: The Brain on October 17, 2022, 09:25:22 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 17, 2022, 09:02:16 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 17, 2022, 07:30:18 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 17, 2022, 07:26:17 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 17, 2022, 01:08:05 AMBeing in the union isn't voluntary? Wtf?


It is voluntary. People don't have to work for an employer who has been unionized.

If what you were talking about is union busting laws, no Canada tends not to have those.

What is a union busting law?

One that your first post indicates you would favour

Can't you just tell me?

Sure

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Quote from: The Brain on October 17, 2022, 09:33:25 AM:unsure:

Anyone else care to tell me?

A law that I believe would be considered "union-busting" is one that allows employees who don't pay union dues the same jobs, pay. benefits, and protections that are enjoyed by union members.  If one can get the same results without paying union dues, then the union is busted.
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Quote from: grumbler on October 17, 2022, 09:36:14 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 17, 2022, 09:33:25 AM:unsure:

Anyone else care to tell me?

A law that I believe would be considered "union-busting" is one that allows employees who don't pay union dues the same jobs, pay. benefits, and protections that are enjoyed by union members.  If one can get the same results without paying union dues, then the union is busted.

Thanks. Would the lack of a law that makes it obligatory to be in the union be considered a union busting law do you think?
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Quote from: The Brain on October 17, 2022, 09:41:14 AMThanks. Would the lack of a law that makes it obligatory to be in the union be considered a union busting law do you think?

I'm not sure lack of a law would be considered a law per se, but lack of laws preventing corporations from busting up attempts to unionize would certainly promote union-busting.  Union-busting is an activity more than a law, IMO.
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Quote from: grumbler on October 17, 2022, 09:47:00 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 17, 2022, 09:41:14 AMThanks. Would the lack of a law that makes it obligatory to be in the union be considered a union busting law do you think?

I'm not sure lack of a law would be considered a law per se, but lack of laws preventing corporations from busting up attempts to unionize would certainly promote union-busting.  Union-busting is an activity more than a law, IMO.

What exactly does unionize mean here? I assume it means more than forming a union?
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