Korea Thread: Liberal Moon Jae In Elected

[Tamas]

The bombing was long, leisurely and merciless, even by the assessment of America's own leaders. "Over a period of three years or so, we killed off — what — 20 percent of the population,"

Clearly not long or merciless enough, though perhaps a bit too leisurely.

Well it didn't work in Germany's case either.

I reckon you can't bomb a population into submission or get them to rise up against their masters.  :gasp:

I am not sure it didn't work with Germany unfortunately.

Elaborate.

I just did.

[CountDeMoney]

And in the ACW the Confederation civilians didn't lose heart in the concept of war until it came to their doorstep.

#J.E.B.Toblerone

[Tamas]

And in the ACW the Confederation civilians didn't lose heart in the concept of war until it came to their doorstep.

#J.E.B.Toblerone

I have read many times that it was Sherman's modus operandi that broke CSA morale.

[CountDeMoney]

It was the Confederacy, Borat.  Switzerland is a Confederation.

[Eddie Teach]

It's in the United Confederation of Planets.

[Tamas]

It was the Confederacy, Borat.  Switzerland is a Confederation.

Making a difference on that makes no sense. But ok, I'll remember to avoid offending Syt's sister, and you.

[Jacob]

I'm not asking for a verbatim quote, I'm asking for the part that makes you conclude it says it's all America's fault.

I withdraw.

Me too.

[CountDeMoney]

It was the Confederacy, Borat.  Switzerland is a Confederation.

Making a difference on that makes no sense. But ok, I'll remember to avoid offending Syt's sister, and you.

Yeah, it does make sense, mud duck.  Stop using the wrong Eengrish.

[The Brain]

The bombing was long, leisurely and merciless, even by the assessment of America's own leaders. "Over a period of three years or so, we killed off — what — 20 percent of the population,"

Clearly not long or merciless enough, though perhaps a bit too leisurely.

Well it didn't work in Germany's case either.

I reckon you can't bomb a population into submission or get them to rise up against their masters.  :gasp:

I am not sure it didn't work with Germany unfortunately.

Elaborate.

I just did.

Germany was invaded and occupied. Boots on the ground and all that.

[grumbler]

Is there any other source for the 20% figure other than an off hand quote from Bombs Away Lemay 30 years later?

Outrage needs no footnotes.

[Jacob]

Is there any other source for the 20% figure other than an off hand quote from Bombs Away Lemay 30 years later?

Wikipedia says:

The Korean War was relatively short but exceptionally bloody compared to other wars. Nearly 3 million people died. More than half of these, about 10 percent of Korea's pre-war population were civilians. This rate of civilian casualties was higher than in World War II and the Vietnam War

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_in_the_Korean_War

Of course this is Wikipedia, so hardly authoritative but probably broadly correct. It is also, as you see, for Korea as a whole than North Korea only, so whether that implies 20% in North Korea is open to question.

This article seems pretty well sourced and puts North Korean casualties at between 12-15% of the population (so worse than Soviet casualties in WWII), though it is an estimate.

http://apjjf.org/-Charles-K.-Armstrong/3460/article.html

It also has other statistics on the level of destruction which was pretty significant by any measure, whatever the exact percentage of the population was killed.

Anyhow, the reason I posted the original article was that I was surprised by the level of destruction visited in Korea during the war not to make hard claims about 20%.

[Jacob]

Is there any other source for the 20% figure other than an off hand quote from Bombs Away Lemay 30 years later?

Outrage needs no footnotes.

Sorry if I triggered you

[Ed Anger]

Should have killed all those zipperheads.

[Jacob]

Should have killed all those zipperheads.

Looks like your president may be looking for a second kick at the can.

[The Minsky Moment]

This article seems pretty well sourced and puts North Korean casualties at between 12-15% of the population (so worse than Soviet casualties in WWII), though it is an estimate.

http://apjjf.org/-Charles-K.-Armstrong/3460/article.html.

OK - so let's say I accept that.
that means 12-15% by all causes - including disease, starvation, artillery, being purged by their own side, etc.
There is no way bombing alone could have caused 20%.