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#71
Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...
Last post by grumbler - November 25, 2025, 07:14:39 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 25, 2025, 03:34:13 PMDangerous for the US and dangerous for the world.

That's not a bug, that's a feature. RFK Jr is an ambulance-chaser and knows the value of discrediting truth.

All of the Trump cabinet appointees were appointed to effectively destroy their respective departments.
#72
Gaming HQ / Re: Europa Universalis V confi...
Last post by Valmy - November 25, 2025, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 25, 2025, 02:34:10 PMI am guetting frequent crashes with the beta.

I got my first crash to desktop after the patch  :ph34r:

Hopefully it will not continue.
#73
Off the Record / Re: Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-2...
Last post by Valmy - November 25, 2025, 06:59:51 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 25, 2025, 01:59:26 PMThe world is catering to Trump's ego because he sits at the top of the world's most powerful military, and the world's biggest economy.

If there was any type of cosmic justice someone as morally repugnant as Trump would not be in that position, but the US finds itself in a situation where its levers of powers have been captured by the corrupt, the self-serving, and the straight up evil.

I am talking about the US doing this. I know why the rest of the world plays along. But we are actively allowing him to just fuck up our foreign policy for no other higher goal than satisfying his ego.

Even for a President that is ridiculous.

And we did because our country is full of evil people. Nobody should ever trust us again.
#74
Off the Record / Re: The Off Topic Topic
Last post by HVC - November 25, 2025, 06:59:10 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2025, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: HVC on November 25, 2025, 06:43:23 PMbioengineered 3d printed meat.

So is their meat vegan?  :hmm:

Guess it's that reconstituted pink slime shit that was all over the news a few years ago until people moved on.
#75
Off the Record / Re: The Off Topic Topic
Last post by Valmy - November 25, 2025, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: HVC on November 25, 2025, 06:43:23 PMbioengineered 3d printed meat.

So is their meat vegan?  :hmm:
#76
Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...
Last post by Valmy - November 25, 2025, 06:56:16 PM
Yep. Almost like putting an incompetent idiot whose main qualifier for his job is nepotism in an important job is a bad idea.

It will take decades to undo the damage they are doing. Sorry world and all the millions of people who will die of infectious disease.
#77
Off the Record / Re: The Off Topic Topic
Last post by HVC - November 25, 2025, 06:43:23 PM
Campbell soup is having its own Ratner moment after a VP was caught on film saying only poor people buy canned soup and that they use bioengineered 3d printed meat.
#78
Off the Record / Re: The AI dooooooom thread
Last post by Jacob - November 25, 2025, 06:25:59 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 25, 2025, 05:18:02 PMI'm entirely unqualified to opine, but I fine the "no" voices on the question to be more convincing. It seems like the "bootstrap" case involves some magical thinking as in if we just throw enough data at the LLM and tune up its capabilities, then it will somehow spontaneously evolve "general intelligence" despite the lack of any clear mechanism. I also can't help noticing that the strongest "yes" voices seem to have a strong financial incentive in the continued success of LLMs.

I concur with both of those perspectives.

QuoteMy vote is a definite no in the aggregate, but there may be individual winners.

Quite possibly. I suspect individual winners will be bought out by one of the major US tech conglomerates.

QuoteOh I don't have a clue, really.  Just two rough datapoints and a virtual napkin.

I suspect Silicon Valley producing AGI is going to be on a timeline somewhere between cold fusion or (best case) Musk's fully autonomous Teslas.
#79
Off the Record / Re: The AI dooooooom thread
Last post by DGuller - November 25, 2025, 05:48:34 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 25, 2025, 05:07:04 PM
Quote from: DGuller on November 25, 2025, 01:31:05 PMThe title of the article is knocking down a strawman.  People who think LLMs have some artificial intelligence don't equate language with intelligence.  They see language as one of the "outputs" of intelligence.  If you build a model that matches one mode of output of intelligence well enough, then it's possible that under the hood that model had to have evolved something functionally analogous to intelligence during training in order to do that.

I don't see how that is possible. The model is the model.  It assigns probability distributions to different potential outputs based on an algorithm.  The training consists of feeding in more data and giving feedback to adjust the algorithm.  The algorithm is just seeking probabilistic matches based on its parameters.
I don't see how everything you wrote from the second sentence on is connected to your first sentence.  Yes, you accurately described how training and inference of any statistical or machine learning model works, but how is that description offering any insight as to why the bolded is impossible?
#80
Off the Record / Re: The AI dooooooom thread
Last post by The Minsky Moment - November 25, 2025, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 25, 2025, 05:13:53 PMYour projected timeline for progress (in the 2050s) seems to imply that the complexity gap between 2) and 3) is roughly similar to the gap between 1) and 2) (relative to available resources).

I'm not sure that's the case.

Oh I don't have a clue, really.  Just two rough datapoints and a virtual napkin.