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#61
Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...
Last post by Josquius - October 19, 2025, 12:49:56 AMQuoteYou really want some anti-LGBT figures like Ayoub Khan keeping Jews out of city on a "Moral question"? That doesn't seem sensible.
Yeah.... I shouldn't have replied to you. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
Quote from: garbon on October 18, 2025, 06:27:43 PMWould vetting have stopped the antisemites who apparently came out in force in Amsterdam?
No. But they were already there to be dealt with and would continue to be all year long.
The source of the trouble in Amsterdam however, the Tel Aviv ultras, absolutely could have been kept away with the gift of hindsight.
Needs remembering Israel /Palestine isn't some special unique thing here. Many times in the past fans have been banned from games where there was a high chance of trouble, especially after particularly bad incidents of hooliganism..
#62
Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...
Last post by Zoupa - October 19, 2025, 12:03:46 AMTrump posted an AI video of himself, wearing a crown, flying an F-16 that then drops bombs made of shit on the No Kings protesters.
#63
Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...
Last post by Razgovory - October 18, 2025, 09:30:34 PMQuote from: Josquius on October 18, 2025, 06:09:35 PMWhat's not to find issue with?
Blundering political interference, with a bit of a spin that draws close to other dodgy stuff lately, in a pretty sensible business as usual policing issue.
The media too is falling into presenting it as being about something it isn't rather than just being pretty standard after serious hooliganism incidents.
Incidentally what I would prefer is a compromise where a few hundred tightly vetted tel aviv fans can come but on the whole theyre generally made to stay away.
You really want some anti-LGBT figures like Ayoub Khan keeping Jews out of city on a "Moral question"? That doesn't seem sensible.
#64
Off the Record / Re: [Canada] Canadian Politics...
Last post by HVC - October 18, 2025, 08:46:29 PMQuote from: Admiral Yi on October 18, 2025, 08:34:08 PMThe evidence lies in the fact that people were laid off. There is no economic or financial rationale for laying off profitable employees. It doesn't boost share price, it doesn't help the CEO's options package.
Sure there is. Pay one person to do 2 peoples work load, call it efficiency gains and call it a day
. Short term thinking as your turnover will spike, and if done especially poorly leads to lost knowledge, but that's the next CEOs problem.QuoteIt's perfectly plausible that a company's overall profit can increase while one division loses money.
that's why I tried to squeeze the parameters of the scenario, for simplicities sake for the question at hand
QuoteGreed can also lead to cheating, to fraud. I am opposed to fraud.
Fair enough.
#65
Off the Record / Re: [Canada] Canadian Politics...
Last post by Admiral Yi - October 18, 2025, 08:34:08 PMQuote from: HVC on October 18, 2025, 08:23:11 PMYou're assuming a segment wasn't profitable. Theres no evidence of that (though to be fair there no evidence it's false). The scenario we have is profitable quarter, 25% increase year over year. People laid off. In this scenario is greed good?
*edit* and originally I left open the question of difference possibilities, you're the one that latched onto the greed is good ethos, so now I'm curious as to whether you think greed is always good hence the more narrow scenario above
The evidence lies in the fact that people were laid off. There is no economic or financial rationale for laying off profitable employees. It doesn't boost share price, it doesn't help the CEO's options package. It's perfectly plausible that a company's overall profit can increase while one division loses money.
Greed can also lead to cheating, to fraud. I am opposed to fraud.
#66
Off the Record / Re: [Canada] Canadian Politics...
Last post by HVC - October 18, 2025, 08:23:11 PMYou're assuming a segment wasn't profitable. Theres no evidence of that (though to be fair there no evidence it's false). The scenario we have is profitable quarter, 25% increase year over year. People laid off. In this scenario is greed good?
*edit* and originally I left open the question of difference possibilities, you're the one that latched onto the greed is good ethos, so now I'm curious as to whether you think greed is always good hence the more narrow scenario above
*edit* and originally I left open the question of difference possibilities, you're the one that latched onto the greed is good ethos, so now I'm curious as to whether you think greed is always good hence the more narrow scenario above
#67
Off the Record / Re: [Canada] Canadian Politics...
Last post by Admiral Yi - October 18, 2025, 08:20:30 PMQuote from: HVC on October 18, 2025, 05:14:49 PMLaying people off for a few points higher EPS and the CEO bonus* that comes with it hardly seems equitable.
It seems equitable to me. I am a shareholder (I think almost all of us are at this point). Market conditions change and a segment of the company I own is no longer profitable. Why should I continue to employ those people that are losing me money? We saw the effect of no fire legislation during the PIIGs crisis. Companies don't want to hire more staff because they'll be stuck with them in a downturn.
#68
Off the Record / Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Last post by Norgy - October 18, 2025, 07:53:14 PMHe did beat Brian Clough's record in one respect. Being sacked after 39 days.
I feel for Ange, although I do not think he was a good fit with the squad nor the supporters.
Whatever comes next, I have no idea. Sean Dyche or Roberto Mancini? Neither instill much confidence in me for Forest's season.
I feel for Ange, although I do not think he was a good fit with the squad nor the supporters.
Whatever comes next, I have no idea. Sean Dyche or Roberto Mancini? Neither instill much confidence in me for Forest's season.
#69
Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...
Last post by garbon - October 18, 2025, 06:27:43 PMWould vetting have stopped the antisemites who apparently came out in force in Amsterdam?
#70
Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...
Last post by Josquius - October 18, 2025, 06:09:35 PMWhat's not to find issue with?
Blundering political interference, with a bit of a spin that draws close to other dodgy stuff lately, in a pretty sensible business as usual policing issue.
The media too is falling into presenting it as being about something it isn't rather than just being pretty standard after serious hooliganism incidents.
Incidentally what I would prefer is a compromise where a few hundred tightly vetted tel aviv fans can come but on the whole theyre generally made to stay away.
Blundering political interference, with a bit of a spin that draws close to other dodgy stuff lately, in a pretty sensible business as usual policing issue.
The media too is falling into presenting it as being about something it isn't rather than just being pretty standard after serious hooliganism incidents.
Incidentally what I would prefer is a compromise where a few hundred tightly vetted tel aviv fans can come but on the whole theyre generally made to stay away.