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#61
Off the Record / Re: Dead Pool 2026
Last post by Sheilbh - July 12, 2026, 03:48:00 PMInteresting - going to think about that.
#62
Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...
Last post by Grey Fox - July 12, 2026, 03:35:48 PMThere are hilarious choices like any of the younger people.
#63
Off the Record / Re: World Cup 2026
Last post by Zoupa - July 12, 2026, 03:33:51 PMI'm so tired of this discourse regarding the dark arts of football. It's not cute, quaint or "the only way small countries can compete". It's cheating. It's anti-football. It's the opposite of sportsmanship.
There's a LOT of countries, including at this world cup, who punched above their weight without elbows in the stomach, cries to the ref, flopping and time wasting. You don't need that shit to succeed.
There's a LOT of countries, including at this world cup, who punched above their weight without elbows in the stomach, cries to the ref, flopping and time wasting. You don't need that shit to succeed.
#64
Off the Record / Re: Dead Pool 2026
Last post by Sophie Scholl - July 12, 2026, 03:29:13 PMGetting that late Soviet Union vibe.
#65
Off the Record / Re: Quo Vadis, Democrats?
Last post by Josquius - July 12, 2026, 03:16:57 PMQuotescratch away at the surface of most 'anti-zionists' and they'll inevitably start saying how Israel shouldn't exist at all. Or shouldn't be a Jewish state. You know that too.
And it's not gotten any better with the influence islamics on the left.
And what's wrong with that?
Again you prove my point. Right wingers assuming the left are the same as them just supporting a different team.
Right wing "x country shouldn't exist" - kill them all.
Left wing "x country shouldn't exist" - wouldn't a united secular democracy where everyone is equal be better (obviously in theory. Easier said than done).
Quote from: Razgovory on July 12, 2026, 09:57:06 AMuote author=Josquius link=msg=1512306 date=1783862Check again. No I didn't. The evidence is right there.
A few pages ago you defended the people marching on October 8th celebrating a pogrom, chanting the number of people who were killed.
I believe my exact words were "there are levels of scummy behaviour."
Cheering for murder - not good.
Not believing the reports of murder when the fog of war is still there - dumb but more understandable.
#66
Off the Record / Re: Quo Vadis, Democrats?
Last post by Crazy_Ivan80 - July 12, 2026, 03:00:02 PMQuote from: Josquius on July 12, 2026, 08:16:56 AMQuote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on July 12, 2026, 07:56:47 AMJosq, you have a severe issue with accepting the facts that your team is playing at the same level as the opposing team.
It's cope after cope after cope.
As for lone nutters: thats what the lefty media calls the endless stream om islamoids committing what are basically acts of terror in our societies. Those are all 'confused persons' or 'lone wolves'.
Just saying that both camps play that game. They're the same. Like that meme with the astronauts
It's not cope at all, it's just facts.
Go on any reputable left of centre news source and you'll find lots of criticism for Israeli policy with zero evidence of the author being anti semitic at all.
And I don't have a "team". This is a common problem I note from some on the right. They assign the same reasoning to the left that they use only they're supporting a different team.
I criticise Israel not because I have any negative feelings for Jewish people or people with an Israeli passport or whatever. I do it because I believe in universal human rights. Flip the tables so it's Palestinians stealing Israeli land and killing Israeli kids and my "side" would also appear inversed.
This is the reasoning most on the centre and left use when they criticise Israel. Norway isn't a nation of raging anti semites. They just aren't big on ethnic cleansing.
you should be a stand-up comedian Jos.
#67
Off the Record / Re: Quo Vadis, Democrats?
Last post by Crazy_Ivan80 - July 12, 2026, 02:57:55 PMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 12, 2026, 01:08:10 PMQuote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on July 12, 2026, 04:40:59 AMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 11, 2026, 07:02:51 PMThose who persist in taking the view that being critical of the actions of the state of Israel is anti Semitic make the sort of firewall you have proposed problematic, if it then becomes forbidden to make those sorts of criticisms.
Making those criticisms is not made easier by the fact that most people making those criticisms can't seem to help themselves from dipping their toes (at best) into the pool of antisemitism.
How does pointing out that is really Armed Forces killed people who were walking towards a trucks in any way mean that one is dipping their toes in the pool of antisemitism?
scratch away at the surface of most 'anti-zionists' and they'll inevitably start saying how Israel shouldn't exist at all. Or shouldn't be a Jewish state. You know that too.
And it's not gotten any better with the influence islamics on the left.
Don't really care either way what happens there, as long as they all stay there and not here.
#68
Off the Record / Re: World Cup 2026
Last post by Sheilbh - July 12, 2026, 02:40:20 PMYeah - Jonathan Wilson's Angels with Dirty Faces is fantastic on this and particularly the image of the pibe (fulfilled by Maradona), I think Galeano has also written about la garra in Uruguayan football company. And both come from the origins of football in those countries with big physical British players (often from the Anglo elite of those countries but also, say, sailors) and the pibe (or "urchin") is smaller, can't rely on strength, with winning smile and desire to level the playing field with skill and guile and sometimes any means necessary. I think the celebration of that side of the game within those footballing cultures was (is?) distinctive (I did not enjoy the Luis Suarez jumpscare last night 
).
Maybe you see bits of it coming up the celebration of the cage footballers in Ile-de-France and South London (the Crystal Palace assembly line)?
I think English football used to celebrate big athletic players, then when that stopped working "heart" and idea of them not going down, play through pain etc. All of that as Graeme Souness (rather despicably) put it "Latin" nonsense. I think football's more globalised now especially at the top level of a few teams, European competitions etc and I'm not really sure there are many distinctive teams or styles. So, sadly, we might be past the days of the pibe or la garra.
Honestly why I low-key enjoyed Paraguay. That felt to me from that tradition of a small country surrounded by footballing giants who need to win through other means.
But I'd still say there's a world from ref having a bad game and players cheating.
Edit: Actually that English (and I think, excluding the Dutch, North European?) way maybe reminds me of some of the Yank discourse going on right now. Where they're basically saying the problem they have is their best athletes aren't interested in football so it's their tenth tier athletes up against the worlds best - which is insane cope and just misunderstands the sport. Athleticism matters and has got more important (the length of careers now is mind blowing) but it is not athleticism that makes Messi or Maradona etc.
Edit: Anyway enough talk about cheating, I'm off to listen to my Tour de France podcast
).Maybe you see bits of it coming up the celebration of the cage footballers in Ile-de-France and South London (the Crystal Palace assembly line)?
I think English football used to celebrate big athletic players, then when that stopped working "heart" and idea of them not going down, play through pain etc. All of that as Graeme Souness (rather despicably) put it "Latin" nonsense. I think football's more globalised now especially at the top level of a few teams, European competitions etc and I'm not really sure there are many distinctive teams or styles. So, sadly, we might be past the days of the pibe or la garra.
Honestly why I low-key enjoyed Paraguay. That felt to me from that tradition of a small country surrounded by footballing giants who need to win through other means.
But I'd still say there's a world from ref having a bad game and players cheating.
Edit: Actually that English (and I think, excluding the Dutch, North European?) way maybe reminds me of some of the Yank discourse going on right now. Where they're basically saying the problem they have is their best athletes aren't interested in football so it's their tenth tier athletes up against the worlds best - which is insane cope and just misunderstands the sport. Athleticism matters and has got more important (the length of careers now is mind blowing) but it is not athleticism that makes Messi or Maradona etc.
Edit: Anyway enough talk about cheating, I'm off to listen to my Tour de France podcast
#69
Off the Record / Re: World Cup 2026
Last post by Norgy - July 12, 2026, 02:23:14 PMIt was not the English players who cheated, although Anderson did make a spectacle out of falling.
I am quite ready to put this game behind me, even though it hurts a bit.
The England vs. Argentina debacle with regards to ugly fouls does have a longer historical context than the Hand of God.
In 1966, the two teams met in the quarter final and Argentina was consistently fouling the English players, especially Bobby Charlton. The diplomatic captain of Argentina, Antonio Rattin, was himself sent off. Rattin interestingly later became a senator for a party that sprung out of the military dictatorship's apologists. Three other players from Argentina received yellow cards. This was at a time when Pelé was fouled so badly that his career almost ended on wet English pitches.
Italian football has a "dark arts" school of thought, essentially all is fair in love and war and football is war. Cynical fouls are not bad, they are part of the game. This school of thought is prevalent also in Argentina and some of the other South American countries.
Here is Claudio Gentile.
I am quite ready to put this game behind me, even though it hurts a bit.
The England vs. Argentina debacle with regards to ugly fouls does have a longer historical context than the Hand of God.
In 1966, the two teams met in the quarter final and Argentina was consistently fouling the English players, especially Bobby Charlton. The diplomatic captain of Argentina, Antonio Rattin, was himself sent off. Rattin interestingly later became a senator for a party that sprung out of the military dictatorship's apologists. Three other players from Argentina received yellow cards. This was at a time when Pelé was fouled so badly that his career almost ended on wet English pitches.
Italian football has a "dark arts" school of thought, essentially all is fair in love and war and football is war. Cynical fouls are not bad, they are part of the game. This school of thought is prevalent also in Argentina and some of the other South American countries.
Here is Claudio Gentile.
#70
Off the Record / Re: World Cup 2026
Last post by crazy canuck - July 12, 2026, 02:21:12 PMQuote from: Josephus on July 12, 2026, 01:41:07 PMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 12, 2026, 01:04:27 PMEnglish pendant saying the team was lucky it should be translated as yeah we cheated like fuck and got away with it
how did they cheat?
Playing the ball off the wire? If you subscribe to its not cheating if you can get away with it, then see the post you replied to.
The flop when getting into a pushing match. If that is not cheating if you can get away with it, see the post you replied to.
etc.