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#51
Off the Record / Re: Refractory Gauls, or the F...
Last post by Crazy_Ivan80 - Today at 12:42:11 PModd to think that Melenchon would be objectively worse than Le Pen.
Maybe have Count BinFace run?
Maybe have Count BinFace run?
#52
Off the Record / Re: Elon Musk: Always A Douche
Last post by HVC - Today at 12:35:13 PMIt's always worked this way. Even Rome had the same pattern. Downtrodden rise up, either violently or at such great numbers the elites cave in before things turn ugly. Rights are give, greater prosperity for the masses much cheering and self congratulations. Rich and elite start chipping away, greater and greater inequality. Repeat until your civilization collapses and the next one follows the same path 
#53
Off the Record / Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Last post by HVC - Today at 12:31:48 PMQuote from: Jacob on Today at 12:28:14 PMWhen Vancouver scored, the announcer and fans did a little thing I thought was pretty fun (maybe it's common, I don't know). The announcer went "Goal was scored by number 13, Thomas..." and the crowd yelled "Muller". We did the "first name" "last name" call and response three times, at which point the announcer went "thank you" and the crowd yelled "you're welcome!"
So Canadian
#54
Off the Record / Re: Elon Musk: Always A Douche
Last post by Sheilbh - Today at 12:30:46 PMI can't think of any country in the developed West that didn't broadly go down the same route (France tried). There's differences in the details and the local peculiarities but the big picture's the same.
#55
Off the Record / Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Last post by Jacob - Today at 12:28:14 PMTook my by and a couple of his friends to a Vancouver Whitecaps game. They were playing Calgary Cavalry. It was the first leg in the Canada Cup, which is a proper knock-out stages cup.
It's the first live game I've been to in quite a while. I've seen a few FC Copenhagen games in the 2000s, but prior to that it was mostly Danish 1st and especially 2nd division games in the 80s and 90s. So with that in mind, here's my verdict:
Since their normal venue is used by the World Cup, they were playing at their old grounds - Swangard Stadium. It was at capacity, with a little over 5,000 attendants. Personally I really enjoyed the stadium, though it's of course nothing like the 10s of thousands at international events or in top leagues.
The game itself was pretty good. The first minute saw heavy pressure from Vancouver, resulting in an own goal by Calgary. Funny thing is my boy had asked me something so I'd been looking it up on my phone before kick-off... so I missed it completely. And unlike the world cup on the big screen, there's no instant replay.
Vancouver dominated most of the first half, but Calgary equalized in the 44th minute (or so) with a quick counter attack.
In the second half, Vancouver put Muller in and saw two goals in fairly quick succession. One by Muller and one by Ryan Gauld. Then they took Muller out again, but Vancouver scoured a 4th goal for the final result 4-1.
The vibe was pretty good. The hard core fan section did a pretty good job drumming and singing for pretty much the whole game, and the rest of the fans were pretty game too. Still, it's hard to really get the cauldron atmosphere with that number of fans (and plenty people just looking). There was a little bit of pyro as well, but not a crazy amount.
When Vancouver scored, the announcer and fans did a little thing I thought was pretty fun (maybe it's common, I don't know). The announcer went "Goal was scored by number 13, Thomas..." and the crowd yelled "Muller". We did the "first name" "last name" call and response three times, at which point the announcer went "thank you" and the crowd yelled "you're welcome!"
One thing I despised was the generic stadium energy music they chose to play prior to kick off and after each goal. IMO it's inane.
It was pretty good and the boys had fun. I could see us making it a regular thing... unless, of course, the Caps relocate because that's how sports are run on this continent
It's the first live game I've been to in quite a while. I've seen a few FC Copenhagen games in the 2000s, but prior to that it was mostly Danish 1st and especially 2nd division games in the 80s and 90s. So with that in mind, here's my verdict:
Since their normal venue is used by the World Cup, they were playing at their old grounds - Swangard Stadium. It was at capacity, with a little over 5,000 attendants. Personally I really enjoyed the stadium, though it's of course nothing like the 10s of thousands at international events or in top leagues.
The game itself was pretty good. The first minute saw heavy pressure from Vancouver, resulting in an own goal by Calgary. Funny thing is my boy had asked me something so I'd been looking it up on my phone before kick-off... so I missed it completely. And unlike the world cup on the big screen, there's no instant replay.
Vancouver dominated most of the first half, but Calgary equalized in the 44th minute (or so) with a quick counter attack.
In the second half, Vancouver put Muller in and saw two goals in fairly quick succession. One by Muller and one by Ryan Gauld. Then they took Muller out again, but Vancouver scoured a 4th goal for the final result 4-1.
The vibe was pretty good. The hard core fan section did a pretty good job drumming and singing for pretty much the whole game, and the rest of the fans were pretty game too. Still, it's hard to really get the cauldron atmosphere with that number of fans (and plenty people just looking). There was a little bit of pyro as well, but not a crazy amount.
When Vancouver scored, the announcer and fans did a little thing I thought was pretty fun (maybe it's common, I don't know). The announcer went "Goal was scored by number 13, Thomas..." and the crowd yelled "Muller". We did the "first name" "last name" call and response three times, at which point the announcer went "thank you" and the crowd yelled "you're welcome!"
One thing I despised was the generic stadium energy music they chose to play prior to kick off and after each goal. IMO it's inane.
It was pretty good and the boys had fun. I could see us making it a regular thing... unless, of course, the Caps relocate because that's how sports are run on this continent
#56
Off the Record / Re: Elon Musk: Always A Douche
Last post by Josquius - Today at 12:24:31 PMSure you can't say for sure either way. Always a chance of anything.
But it's not like we don't have counter examples to look at of countries that made smarter choices.
But it's not like we don't have counter examples to look at of countries that made smarter choices.
#57
Off the Record / Re: Elon Musk: Always A Douche
Last post by Sheilbh - Today at 12:18:47 PMBut that's impossible to know or imagine - and the reason neoliberalism emerges and succeeds for a while is because it has a coherent answer or solution to the crises of the prevailing hegemony at the time. There's no reason to think that absent it we would have just reverted to the trente glorieuses. The crises would have continued to mount, provoking and feeding on themselves - it's not for nothing that the 70s were also years that produced other radical alternatives. It is a similar process that we're going through now.
The other point is make is that I think many people here are profoundly sympathetic to the radical social liberalism and cosmopolitanism produced by the neo-liberal order economically. You cannot atomise an economic order, break down bonds of solidarity and globalise markets without producing mirroring social effects which are, or can be experienced as, liberating. But I'm equally not sure you'll produce individual self-expression and cosmopolitanism from an economic order reacting to the (real or perceived) failure of neo-liberalism. So I suspect that whatever replaces it is probably going to evolve in different ways socially and culturally (I think some of the technological conditions also push back against the lightly worn cosmopolitanism of the peak globalisation era).
There's no one cool trick or answer - there are processes and change (action/reaction, dialectic etc) so if the neo-liberal experiment failed it would not simply have been a continuation of what had already ended. And obviously the greatest moral success of neo-liberalism and globalisation was a massive redistribution of wealth and productive power from a world still built to a 19th century colonial blueprint (based on the Atlantic), which lifted hundreds of millions out of absolute poverty - with attendant huge reductions in, say, child mortality. That was above all driven by an authoritarian state capitalist regime running a planned economy - because every order contains in it the seeds of what may replace it.
The other point is make is that I think many people here are profoundly sympathetic to the radical social liberalism and cosmopolitanism produced by the neo-liberal order economically. You cannot atomise an economic order, break down bonds of solidarity and globalise markets without producing mirroring social effects which are, or can be experienced as, liberating. But I'm equally not sure you'll produce individual self-expression and cosmopolitanism from an economic order reacting to the (real or perceived) failure of neo-liberalism. So I suspect that whatever replaces it is probably going to evolve in different ways socially and culturally (I think some of the technological conditions also push back against the lightly worn cosmopolitanism of the peak globalisation era).
There's no one cool trick or answer - there are processes and change (action/reaction, dialectic etc) so if the neo-liberal experiment failed it would not simply have been a continuation of what had already ended. And obviously the greatest moral success of neo-liberalism and globalisation was a massive redistribution of wealth and productive power from a world still built to a 19th century colonial blueprint (based on the Atlantic), which lifted hundreds of millions out of absolute poverty - with attendant huge reductions in, say, child mortality. That was above all driven by an authoritarian state capitalist regime running a planned economy - because every order contains in it the seeds of what may replace it.
#58
Off the Record / Re: Elon Musk: Always A Douche
Last post by Josquius - Today at 12:02:08 PMIt's always an iffy game comparing whether people are better off now or in the past.
As of course on one level we are better off now. Double glazing, central heating, so many medical advances, the Queen back catalogue...
But I do think these things need to be controlled for. Taken as a default uplift.
It's not now vs 1976. It's the now we have vs the now we would have if neo liberalism hadn't wrecked the world.
As of course on one level we are better off now. Double glazing, central heating, so many medical advances, the Queen back catalogue...
But I do think these things need to be controlled for. Taken as a default uplift.
It's not now vs 1976. It's the now we have vs the now we would have if neo liberalism hadn't wrecked the world.
#59
Off the Record / Re: The Off Topic Topic
Last post by Josquius - Today at 11:59:40 AMTruck driving training....
How much of this deals with body disposal?
How much of this deals with body disposal?
#60
Off the Record / Re: The Off Topic Topic
Last post by Razgovory - Today at 11:56:29 AMI'm trying to do some training so I can get a job were I'm not so poor. I was looking at truck driving, and If I can't do that maybe HVAC work.
On the plus side, being poor does means I don't eat a lot. I do like working at the grocery store. People find me strange but tolerable for the most part. I bring everyone donuts once a week so they put up with me. Also, I'm the only employee to have the presence to bring a slide whistle to work and fake mustaches. Essential for working in a deli.
On the plus side, being poor does means I don't eat a lot. I do like working at the grocery store. People find me strange but tolerable for the most part. I bring everyone donuts once a week so they put up with me. Also, I'm the only employee to have the presence to bring a slide whistle to work and fake mustaches. Essential for working in a deli.