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#31

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by grumbler - Today at 04:55:38 PM

Why are they asking her to get out of the car to begin with? Wasn't she turning the car around to leave?

Because she was obstructing official business.  She was blocking their vehicles.

We have no evidence that this statement is true.  We don't know why her car was parked as it was.  And, in any case, if she was actually obstructing their vehicles, their response would have been to tell her to move her vehicle, not to get out of it so that it would continue to obstruct them.

The evidence supports the contention that they told her to get out of the car because ordering people around is a power trip and the evidence further supports a contention that ICE delibertaly hires people who enjoy power trips.

ICE agents are not police. Neither are FBI agents or TSA agents.  They have no role or duty in the maintenance of public order.  They cannot even arrest, let alone kill, people for parking violations.

#32

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by HVC - Today at 04:55:10 PM

Why are they asking her to get out of the car to begin with? Wasn't she turning the car around to leave?

Because she was obstructing official business.  She was blocking their vehicles.

I don't believe she was.  Traffic was flowing freely around her car.  I think what pissed them off is that she had been following ICE vehicles around that day.  Her car was parked near and sort of parallel to an ICE vehicle but not obstructing it.  If her car had not been there the degree of road obstruction would have been close to the same. 

Her wife was also antagonizing them, which problem pissed them off. Not that it excuses anything.

#33

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by HVC - Today at 04:54:12 PM

Funny, you say the car was turning at a slow pace but i was surprised how fast it all happened once she started to drive off. I guess that's the thing about human perception. Two people can look at the same thing and come away with two different observations.

#34

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by The Minsky Moment - Today at 04:49:30 PM

Why are they asking her to get out of the car to begin with? Wasn't she turning the car around to leave?

Because she was obstructing official business.  She was blocking their vehicles.

I don't believe she was.  Traffic was flowing freely around her car.  I think what pissed them off is that she had been following ICE vehicles around that day.  Her car was parked near and sort of parallel to an ICE vehicle but not obstructing it.  If her car had not been there the degree of road obstruction would have been close to the same. 

#35

Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...

Last post by The Minsky Moment - Today at 04:44:46 PM

Cannot? Who's to stop a recipient from doing it?

The piece of metal can be transferred but not the award of the prize. 

#36

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by Jacob - Today at 04:42:37 PM

I just saw the video.

Looks like the guy just executes her for turning her vehicle around at a slow pace.

I can't find the right word to describe the combination if horror and incredulity from that scene.

#37

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by Admiral Yi - Today at 04:29:12 PM

Why are they asking her to get out of the car to begin with? Wasn't she turning the car around to leave?

Because she was obstructing official business.  She was blocking their vehicles.

#38

Off the Record / Re: The Shooting Gallery: Poli...

Last post by Bauer - Today at 04:07:52 PM

At the very least the incident was total incompetence as police officers are trained never to stand in front of a vehicle.  They are obviously supposed to avoid situations that would require the use of deadly force.

But ICE officers aren't really trained are they?

#39

Off the Record / Re: The EU thread

Last post by Crazy_Ivan80 - Today at 03:27:37 PM

Steve Bannon has apparently said that Le Pen winning in France is the third step to destroying the EU - step 1 being Brexit and step 2 being Trump's current Nationalist-Populist policies.

Coincidentally (?), the Trump administration seems to be talking about sanctioning French judges if they rule against Le Pen at her upcoming trial.

France may have to go tit for tat on that. If it comes to pass

#40

Off the Record / Re: The EU thread

Last post by Duque de Bragança - Today at 02:57:49 PM

Steve Bannon has apparently said that Le Pen winning in France is the third step to destroying the EU - step 1 being Brexit and step 2 being Trump's current Nationalist-Populist policies.

Coincidentally (?), the Trump administration seems to be talking about sanctioning French judges if they rule against Le Pen at her upcoming trial.

Damn, Bardella must be pissed off at this piece of news.