Quote from: PJL on November 24, 2025, 02:36:53 PMQuote from: crazy canuck on November 24, 2025, 01:31:55 PMThis might be entirely wrong, but there seems to be a similarity with Canadian polling. About a third of our population is always going to be Conservative supporters, independent of the policies of the party. So I am not sure it is correct to assume everyone carefully considers the positions of each of the options and then bases their vote on that analysis. Quite the opposite, if the polling numbers are accurate.
I've long ago come to the conclusion that a third of humanity are conservative/authoritarian, another third don't really care (as evident by their non-voting) and only a third are really liberal/left-leaning.
Quote from: Zanza on November 24, 2025, 01:48:49 PMFor digital services there are European alternatives in most cases already, but convenience and network effects lock people into these American services. EU sovereign cloud is a big topic in IT operations these days as resilience means you cannot rely on American hyperscalers. I do not see a cost efficient alternative yet though and the European capital markets are too weak to fund a massive homegrown competition.This is where I run against the AI boom risks because I think there's actually a relatively good case for building publicly owned cloud infrstructure and data centres both for that and sovereign LLMs (I think Switzerland has done this - I suspect not least because of the needs of Swiss banks to, as best they can, steer clear of American intelligence agencies
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Quote from: crazy canuck on November 24, 2025, 01:31:55 PMThis might be entirely wrong, but there seems to be a similarity with Canadian polling. About a third of our population is always going to be Conservative supporters, independent of the policies of the party. So I am not sure it is correct to assume everyone carefully considers the positions of each of the options and then bases their vote on that analysis. Quite the opposite, if the polling numbers are accurate.
Quote from: Valmy on November 24, 2025, 02:27:45 PMIronman modes in games with popups drives me nuts. So easy to accidentally click something disastrous![]()
Quote from: Jacob on November 24, 2025, 02:00:20 PMI tend to think it goes in this order (from best to worst):I'm not sure that good planned economy can beat out shitty liberal economy, even with excellent leadership. Part of the reason is that the scale of what needs managing is just too much, and would require many more levels of delegation than humans have learned to manage. Another reason is that keeping the system competent and free of corruption for long is very hard.
- A liberal economic order with competent leadership and appropriate regulations and safeguards
- Centrally planned economy with competent leaderships and appropriate safeguards
- A liberal economic order with incompetent or corrupt leadership with misaligned regulations and safeguards
- Centrally planned economy with incompetent or corrupt leadership with misaligned regulations and safeguards
My read is that China's is tending towards 2, with dashes of 4; while the US is going all in at 3.
Quote from: DGuller on November 24, 2025, 01:58:56 PMQuote from: The Minsky Moment on November 24, 2025, 01:26:11 PMI think in the age of AI China would eventually have better information about your wants than you do.Quote from: Valmy on November 24, 2025, 01:16:17 PMI have thought that a centrally planned economy might work with sophisticated enough data and computer resources.
That's a very old debate. Oskar Lange was arguing its possibility in the 1930s.
The problem is that even if you had the computing power needed and a workable model, how do you know and how can you get all the necessary information to input into the model?![]()
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 24, 2025, 01:26:11 PMI think in the age of AI China would eventually have better information about your wants than you do.Quote from: Valmy on November 24, 2025, 01:16:17 PMI have thought that a centrally planned economy might work with sophisticated enough data and computer resources.
That's a very old debate. Oskar Lange was arguing its possibility in the 1930s.
The problem is that even if you had the computing power needed and a workable model, how do you know and how can you get all the necessary information to input into the model?
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