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Title: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Syt on June 06, 2013, 11:57:03 AM
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Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2013, 12:05:26 PM
Does anyone here pronounce been as "bean?"  I say bin and bean sounds really bizarre to me.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 06, 2013, 12:05:47 PM
I hear that only hicks call soda "pop".
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: ulmont on June 06, 2013, 12:10:35 PM
Jacob beat you to it: http://www.businessinsider.com/22-maps-that-show-the-deepest-linguistic-conflicts-in-america-2013-6?op=1
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Grey Fox on June 06, 2013, 12:12:52 PM
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Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: 11B4V on June 06, 2013, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2013, 12:05:26 PM
Does anyone here pronounce been as "bean?"  I say bin and bean sounds really bizarre to me.

bin, here
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: crazy canuck on June 06, 2013, 12:15:00 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2013, 12:05:26 PM
Does anyone here pronounce been as "bean?"  I say bin and bean sounds really bizarre to me.

I am not sure how you pronounce "bean" :P

The option on the map is sounds like "seen".  That is how I pronounce it.  I have heard people pronounce it as "bin" but those people are mainly from rural parts of the prairie provinces who have a lot of grammatical and pronounciation oddities.

How do you pronounce it?
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2013, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 06, 2013, 12:15:00 PM
I am not sure how you pronounce "bean" :P

The option on the map is sounds like "seen".  That is how I pronounce it.  I have heard people pronounce it as "bin" but those people are mainly from rural parts of the prairie provinces who have a lot of grammatical and pronounciation oddities.

How do you pronounce it?

QuoteI say bin
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: crazy canuck on June 06, 2013, 12:16:43 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 06, 2013, 12:05:47 PM
I hear that only hicks call soda "pop".

The only time I hear the word soda is when someone is baking with it - baking soda.

Pop is the common word here.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 06, 2013, 12:20:51 PM
Not surprising, as Canada is generally like the Midwest, only colder and emptier.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: crazy canuck on June 06, 2013, 12:22:28 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 06, 2013, 12:20:51 PM
Not surprising, as Canada is generally like the Midwest, only colder and emptier.

Not Vancouver, which is in all ways far superior.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Grey Fox on June 06, 2013, 12:31:52 PM
How is been and bean different?
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: crazy canuck on June 06, 2013, 12:33:33 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 06, 2013, 12:31:52 PM
How is been and bean different?

I am not sure.  I think they are the same.  But to be safe I thought we should use "seen" as the comparitor as I have no idea how certain Americans might pronounce bean given they think been is bin.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: merithyn on June 06, 2013, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2013, 12:05:26 PM
Does anyone here pronounce been as "bean?"  I say bin and bean sounds really bizarre to me.

I pronounce it "ben". I think "bin" sounds silly, and "bean" sounds pretentious from an American.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2013, 12:35:32 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 06, 2013, 12:34:43 PM
I pronounce it "ben". I think "bin" sounds silly, and "bean" sounds pretentious from an American.

I'm okay with ben.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: merithyn on June 06, 2013, 12:35:52 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 06, 2013, 12:31:52 PM
How is been and bean different?

Been is usually either "bin" or "ben".

Bean usually rhymes with "seen" or "sheen".
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 06, 2013, 12:37:11 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 06, 2013, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2013, 12:05:26 PM
Does anyone here pronounce been as "bean?"  I say bin and bean sounds really bizarre to me.

I pronounce it "ben". I think "bin" sounds silly, and "bean" sounds pretentious from an American.

I pronounce ben, been and bin all the same.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: merithyn on June 06, 2013, 12:38:41 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 06, 2013, 12:37:11 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 06, 2013, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2013, 12:05:26 PM
Does anyone here pronounce been as "bean?"  I say bin and bean sounds really bizarre to me.

I pronounce it "ben". I think "bin" sounds silly, and "bean" sounds pretentious from an American.

I pronounce ben, been and bin all the same.

Ben, to me, rhymes with "pen", as opposed to "pin".
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: crazy canuck on June 06, 2013, 12:39:02 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 06, 2013, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2013, 12:05:26 PM
Does anyone here pronounce been as "bean?"  I say bin and bean sounds really bizarre to me.

I pronounce it "ben". I think "bin" sounds silly, and "bean" sounds pretentious from an American.

"I have Ben there"?

You people are mangling the Queen's English.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 06, 2013, 12:45:10 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 06, 2013, 12:38:41 PM
Ben, to me, rhymes with "pen", as opposed to "pin".

All of them get the short i sound.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 06, 2013, 12:50:03 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 06, 2013, 12:39:02 PM
You people are mangling the Queen's English.

There are 300 million of us. How many has the Queen got?   :P
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: crazy canuck on June 06, 2013, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 06, 2013, 12:45:10 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 06, 2013, 12:38:41 PM
Ben, to me, rhymes with "pen", as opposed to "pin".

All of them get the short i sound.

Wait a minute.  You pronounce pen as pin?
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 06, 2013, 12:55:00 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: crazy canuck on June 06, 2013, 12:56:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 06, 2013, 12:55:00 PM
Yes.

What a penhead.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2013, 12:57:42 PM
Uncle Bin's rice?

The tower of Big Bin?

Where the hell are you from Wigger?
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 06, 2013, 01:05:15 PM
Speaking of uncle Ben, the people on tv pronounce it the same way I do.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: crazy canuck on June 06, 2013, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 06, 2013, 01:05:15 PM
Speaking of uncle Ben, the people on tv pronounce it the same way I do.

I am beginning to think you pronounce pin as pen and not the other way around. :P
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 06, 2013, 01:10:04 PM
Well both sound more like pit and bit than pet and bet.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Maximus on June 06, 2013, 01:20:32 PM
Pen as pin is quite common. I've heard it from California through the southern plains to the deep south
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: merithyn on June 06, 2013, 01:22:49 PM
Quote from: Maximus on June 06, 2013, 01:20:32 PM
Pen as pin is quite common. I've heard it from California through the southern plains to the deep south

Am I correct in how I think I say things, Max? You pay closer attention than I do, and I often think I say things one way only to have you say otherwise.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: crazy canuck on June 06, 2013, 01:24:23 PM
I have to say I never noticed it.  I guess because most of my time in the US was spent on basketball courts and I never had had an occasion in which anyone ask me if I had a pen.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Maximus on June 06, 2013, 01:29:42 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 06, 2013, 01:22:49 PM
Quote from: Maximus on June 06, 2013, 01:20:32 PM
Pen as pin is quite common. I've heard it from California through the southern plains to the deep south

Am I correct in how I think I say things, Max? You pay closer attention than I do, and I often think I say things one way only to have you say otherwise.
I grew up saying bin. I would say the way you say it is somewhere between ben and bean. I don't know a phoenetic spelling that really captures it. Sort of "byen" but quicker.

One I got called on recently was pronouncing "bury" the way it's spelled. Many people here pronounce it like berry.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Grey Fox on June 06, 2013, 01:30:15 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 06, 2013, 12:35:52 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 06, 2013, 12:31:52 PM
How is been and bean different?

Been is usually either "bin" or "ben".

Bean usually rhymes with "seen" or "sheen".

Alright.

All sounds the same to me.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: garbon on June 06, 2013, 01:43:07 PM
I don't recall hearing someone say pin for pen though I know that exists.

I say both bin and ben for been. :blush:
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: lustindarkness on June 06, 2013, 03:09:24 PM
Wow, and I thought my spanglish pronounciations were bad. :D
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: lustindarkness on June 06, 2013, 03:10:09 PM
i kant spel ingles
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: 11B4V on June 06, 2013, 03:14:01 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 06, 2013, 12:35:52 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 06, 2013, 12:31:52 PM
How is been and bean different?

Been is usually either "bin" or "ben".

Bean usually rhymes with "seen" or "sheen".

:yes:
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Caliga on June 06, 2013, 04:27:36 PM
btw it's not exactly "pop" in Chicago.  More like "PAAHP". :cool:
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Ed Anger on June 06, 2013, 05:51:27 PM
This thread gives me a migraine.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: katmai on June 06, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
How do different parts of country pronounce migraine?!?!
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Ed Anger on June 06, 2013, 05:58:46 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 06, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
How do different parts of country pronounce migraine?!?!

Pop
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: sbr on June 06, 2013, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 06, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
How do different parts of country pronounce migraine?!?!

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Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: 11B4V on June 06, 2013, 06:28:06 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 06, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
How do different parts of country pronounce migraine?!?!

WTF is that?
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Ed Anger on June 06, 2013, 06:51:52 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 06, 2013, 06:28:06 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 06, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
How do different parts of country pronounce migraine?!?!

WTF is that?

Really?
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 06, 2013, 06:55:32 PM
It's a fancy pants word for headache.
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: katmai on June 06, 2013, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 06, 2013, 06:28:06 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 06, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
How do different parts of country pronounce migraine?!?!

WTF is that?

WTF is what?
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: 11B4V on June 06, 2013, 07:11:05 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 06, 2013, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 06, 2013, 06:28:06 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 06, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
How do different parts of country pronounce migraine?!?!

WTF is that?

WTF is what?

Mygrain

WTF is migrainy
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: derspiess on June 06, 2013, 08:43:57 PM
:unsure:
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: 11B4V on June 06, 2013, 08:49:30 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 06, 2013, 08:43:57 PM
:unsure:

:lol:
Title: Re: The dialects of America - soda vs. pop revisited
Post by: Grey Fox on June 06, 2013, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 06, 2013, 07:11:05 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 06, 2013, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 06, 2013, 06:28:06 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 06, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
How do different parts of country pronounce migraine?!?!

WTF is that?

WTF is what?

Mygrain

WTF is migrainy

migraine. l2s Tim.