Anybody besides me going to be watching the live stream?
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hub/reveal
It, like the PS4, will bring shinier graphics, but unfortunately not new gameplay.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 21, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
Anybody besides me going to be watching the live stream?
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hub/reveal
Yep but that's no surprise, I watch all these things. Sony, Google, MS, EA, etc Just not Apple, no way.
Quote from: Syt on May 21, 2013, 11:39:40 AM
It, like the PS4, will bring shinier graphics, but unfortunately not new gameplay.
I dunno - isn'
t it supposed to incorporate Kinect controls into the base XBox?
Quote from: Barrister on May 21, 2013, 11:45:38 AM
I dunno - isn't it supposed to incorporate Kinect controls into the base XBox?
Rumored; with any luck, they'll address some of these.
My checklist to watch for is:
- Performance
- Control format
- Price point(s)
- Launch titles
- Release date
I have zero interest in buying a game system shortly after launch. Peak prices, little to no game catalog.
Reports are it's black & we won't see price nor date.
Biggest hope for this? That the first line out of the gate is: "This will NOT be always-online."
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 21, 2013, 11:58:45 AM
Biggest hope for this? That the first line out of the gate is: "This will NOT be always-online."
They're going to fudge it and say "it's up to the game publishers". But of course the publishers will all have DRM (which they well should).
"Xbox One" is the official name.
No big shockers on the controller, but I see "start" and "back" have given way to what looks like a window select button (multitasking?) and a menu button.
First launch title mentioned is a new Forza Motorsport.
Edit 1: Confirmed as a launch title by Phil Spencer (Microsoft Studio). Turn 10 is still on board as the prime developer.
Edit 2: Teaser trailer for Quantum Break by Remedy.
TV integration, now that's interesting.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 21, 2013, 12:15:07 PM
TV integration, now that's interesting.
That is. Voice powering on and the amount of voice control shown for TV are definite selling points. Basically, Samsung just lost their monopoly on "smart TV."
Low-level API; that's a double-edged sword- devs can take full advantage of the Xbox hardware, but making cross-platform games function predictably the same will be harder.
No date, but Andrew Wilson from EA just implied that launch will be within the next 12 months (no big surprise there).
Been touted for xmas time release last i heard.
Sounds like Defiance may have been a soft test of sorts for combining gaming with TV.
Spielberg's got a live-action Halo series coming up.
CoD, big whoop :rolleyes:
Those are pretty impressive graphics. I wonder how it'll run on my computer because fuck console shooters.
Oh it looks nice, just those games bore me.
I usually end up with them after the Steam sales, run through the single player mode once, then don't mess with them much after that.
Spike network is gonna do 30min summation of the new rig.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 21, 2013, 01:01:24 PM
Those are pretty impressive graphics. I wonder how it'll run on my computer because fuck console shooters.
PCs have historically had the edge in graphics, since parts can be upgraded more easily and hardcore gamers are willing to shell out the cost of a console on higher-power GPUs.
It's going to be impressive on graphics on both consoles & PCs now that consoles will actually have more then 1gb of ram.
No always online requirement (though games may require install, and used games may require a few to activate or something). Kinect required to be attached. No backward compatibility. List of games: http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/List_of_Xbox_One_Games
None of the games really jump out at me except for Destiny, and that probably won't be released for awhile.
Quote from: Kleves on May 21, 2013, 02:48:39 PM
No always online requirement (though games may require install, and used games may require a few to activate or something). Kinect required to be attached. No backward compatibility. List of games: http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/List_of_Xbox_One_Games
None of the games really jump out at me except for Destiny, and that probably won't be released for awhile.
I wouldn't be willing to bank on the backward compatibility thing: remember PS3 launch? No backward compatibility bit them in the backside bigtime, and it was put back in with an early system update.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 21, 2013, 04:52:46 PM
Quote from: Kleves on May 21, 2013, 02:48:39 PM
No always online requirement (though games may require install, and used games may require a few to activate or something). Kinect required to be attached. No backward compatibility. List of games: http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/List_of_Xbox_One_Games
None of the games really jump out at me except for Destiny, and that probably won't be released for awhile.
I wouldn't be willing to bank on the backward compatibility thing: remember PS3 launch? No backward compatibility bit them in the backside bigtime, and it was put back in with an early system update.
Except that's not true. Compatibility was eventually phased out while there were several earlier models that had compatibility.
Quote from: Kleves on May 21, 2013, 02:48:39 PM
None of the games really jump out at me except for Destiny, and that probably won't be released for awhile.
And most of those are still being listed for current-gen, so unless the new graphics are going to blow us away...
My excitement for the new consoles is nil.
I only just bought a PS3 a few months back, plenty to keep me busy there and nothing that really screams must buy on the new consoles.
Amusing to see people on the internet trying to act like this is as big a deal as a new console used to be, way back when.
I actually think this is a much bigger deal than the last generation of consoles.
But not because of gaming, really.
Quote from: Berkut on May 21, 2013, 11:00:31 PM
I actually think this is a much bigger deal than the last generation of consoles.
But not because of gaming, really.
Why?
I'm curious.
I can't really compare there. The last generation too wasn't quite the epic event new consoles used to be. The wii being an exception.
While the TV/entertainment functions coming with the new consoles are pretty neat/interesting, I'm doubting that this will be relevant for non-US/-Canada customers in the next couple of years. The licensing of video on demand, for example, happens in Europe still by country, which means there's still nothing remotely comparable to hulu or netflix even in potentially huge markets like Germany. And they'd have to adapt their offering to whatever is the local requirement/law/market.
Looking at iTunes stores all over Europe, for instance, reveals huge differences in what's available (Austrian iTunes only slowly started adding movies/TV shows in the last year or so and his far behind Germany which in turn is far behind Uk and US).
Don't kid yourself Syt, Canada is in the same boat than Germany.
Well, the reception of this is a damn disaster. I rather not have a Micro/Camera combo listening & watching my everymove in my living room.
Yeah, the PS4 reveal seemed to leave people, "Meh", while this one creates, "Thanks, but no thanks".
Quote from: Syt on May 22, 2013, 11:31:56 AM
Yeah, the PS4 reveal seemed to leave people, "Meh", while this one creates, "Thanks, but no thanks".
I'm guessing the latter is more positive? :D
Mildly. ;)
Also, yesterday's reveal condensed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KbWgUO-Rqcw
I have no idea why I would want a new console. The ones we have now seem quite adequate for the few times the boys actually spend time on the things. Personally I never got into console gaming. Probably because I am not into FPS type games.
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 22, 2013, 01:49:13 PM
I have no idea why I would want a new console. The ones we have now seem quite adequate for the few times the boys actually spend time on the things. Personally I never got into console gaming. Probably because I am not into FPS type games.
I think Far Cry Blood Dragon is one of the few FPS games that I own on my PS3. Most games I play are 3rd person (GTA, Assassin's Creed, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, etc.)
Oh actually I also have Resistance: Fall of Man as an FPS.
Ugh. Reading the results of the Q&A after the actual reveal presentation, I'm going to call this one of the most fucking stupid console releases ever. The used game "unlock fee" in particular is just going to kill that before it ever hits the market- that's prime material for legal challenges that Microsoft can't win.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 22, 2013, 05:57:42 PM
Ugh. Reading the results of the Q&A after the actual reveal presentation, I'm going to call this one of the most fucking stupid console releases ever. The used game "unlock fee" in particular is just going to kill that before it ever hits the market- that's prime material for legal challenges that Microsoft can't win.
When did you get called to the bar?
Quote from: Barrister on May 22, 2013, 06:23:13 PM
When did you get called to the bar?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
SCOTUS literally
just reinforced this.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 22, 2013, 06:34:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 22, 2013, 06:23:13 PM
When did you get called to the bar?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
SCOTUS literally just reinforced this.
So I see - Microsoft, a company with $73 billion dollars in income and enough money to hire the best law firms in the country, just made a legal mistake so obvious that you are positive they can't win.
Colour me sceptical.
Quote from: Barrister on May 22, 2013, 07:07:22 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 22, 2013, 06:34:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 22, 2013, 06:23:13 PM
When did you get called to the bar?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
SCOTUS literally just reinforced this.
So I see - Microsoft, a company with $73 billion dollars in income and enough money to hire the best law firms in the country, just made a legal mistake so obvious that you are positive they can't win.
Colour me sceptical.
He also just said that it will kill their console and also told us that PS3 owners can play PS2 games on their PS3s so...
Are there any games involved in this game console? It seemed to me that most everything revolved around TV, a medium that I am profoundly uninterested in.
Quote from: Neil on May 22, 2013, 08:41:56 PM
Are there any games involved in this game console? It seemed to me that most everything revolved around TV, a medium that I am profoundly uninterested in.
Of course there are/will be games. It's still an Xbox. The TV stuff was their big reveal hype thing though, since it's a new thing for consoles to....do. Or whatever. Seems like it's just a console combined with a media center PC.
QuoteAre there any games involved in this game console? It seemed to me that most everything revolved around TV, a medium that I am profoundly uninterested in.
True.
Maybe this is a big part of new consoles not seeming so exciting these days. It used to be there would be awesome revolutionary looking games announced with consoles.
I can only think of one next gen game, that True Crimey like one with the computer hacking and stuff, which....seems like it could be decent but hardly something to be excited for.
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 22, 2013, 01:49:13 PM
I have no idea why I would want a new console. The ones we have now seem quite adequate for the few times the boys actually spend time on the things. Personally I never got into console gaming. Probably because I am not into FPS type games.
The PC is the place for FPS surely?
FPS on consoles=:bleeding:
I really don't know why I ever read your posts. I always end up wanting to bash your head in. -_-
Quote from: garbon on May 22, 2013, 11:09:26 PM
I really don't know why I ever read your posts. I always end up wanting to bash your head in. -_-
Whenever you feel like that, put what enrages you into the greater context of things, realize how insignificant it is, and move on. Works for me. :)
An RPS rant on how it currently looks sharing games between friends will work (and on sharing/lending games in general):
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?action=post;topic=9866.50;last_msg=586202
Quote[...]
There has been much consternation, and certainly a large degree of confusion, about the new policies the Xbox One will impose on gamers. It seems that if you lend a copy of a game to a friend, and they want to play it on their own profile, they'll have to pay a fee equivalent to the price of the game to be able to do so. If it is the case, it's bewildering. It's the end of something as ordinary and friendly as letting a buddy come over and borrow a couple of games from your shelf.
But there never has been freedom for games. The copyright messages printed on your average videogame impose draconian and unsocial instructions from a futuristic evil oppressive regime, that somehow exist in our era. Grab a box and look at the tiny print on the back, and there's a good chance you'll read:
"Unauthorised copying, lending, or resale under any scheme strictly prohibited."
I nearly broke my eyeballs trying to read that on the rear-side of a copy of World In Conflict that happened to be near by. A copy I've now learned I do not have permission to lend to a friend. (It's often said this is to deter library-style lending schemes, but let's be sensible here – the language is deliberately ambiguous.)
Lending, or as I like to call it – sharing – is loathed by copyright holders. A borrowed game is an unsold game, I imagine they probably say to each other without evidence for such an obviously nonsensical claim. It is only the natural consequence of things for this new console to make sharing so extraordinarily difficult or expensive.
And yes, that oh-so-often given response is absolutely true.
"But what about Steam? YOU HYPOCRITE!"
Steam, and so many other digital distribution platforms, are abhorrent when it comes to notions of sharing. Our willing allowing of the PC gaming market to become unshareable makes us all complicit in this erosion of freedom. We went from plastic circles with idiotic impositions of limited installs, to pure data and not even the option for those few installs. And we thanked them for the convenience.
To return to Phillips' quote, we did not resist at all.
There's definitely a difference between a tangible, physical object, and an ethereal collection of data downloaded to a hard drive. Quite what that difference amounts to really becomes a subject for philosophy, but most people would recognise that having a box in their hand gives them a greater sense of a right to share. Microsoft's purported decisions to make that impossible (the current line is that you'll be able to put that disc in the machine at a friend's house, but you'll have to log in with your account for it to work) bring the message rather starkly home. It took the plastic box for the affront to be properly felt, despite our having allowed it to happen for many years.
We resisted to no degree, and thus we have no degree of freedom. We simply do not own our games. We don't own them when we download them, and we don't own them when we buy them in a box. We are, at the very best, renting them from the publisher at a hefty price. They reserve the right to take that notion of ownership away from us at any point, whether it's by turning off vital servers to have a game run, or blocking accounts into which the games are tied. Right now, if you do something to offend Valve's myriad mysterious and opaque rules, they can remove your access to your entire account, no matter how many games it may contain. While all of us who've never experienced this tend to feel like their Steam Library is their own, talk to someone who's had it taken away to get an idea just how much it isn't.
We've seen so very many people who have said something an EA moderator didn't like on a forum, and discovered they're no longer able to play the games they paid for via Origin.
When these things happen, we object. Often it takes a site like RPS to feature the story before anything is done (and sometimes just our sniffing around the story to see things magically fixed before we can even report it). We hear about its happening to someone else, get a bit worried about it, and then carry on.
So what am I suggesting? That we should all boycott these systems? But then we'd not have access to so many games we want to play. And that's true, and I'm swayed by it. But I'm also acutely aware that the degree to which I'm resisting is defining the degree to which I'm free. And I don't feel very free.
There are other options too, of course. Some developers will allow you to give Steam codes to friends, to share the game. There are DRM-free digital distribution channels that allow you to "share" products you've bought without resistance. Obviously things are a little more problematic here. My friend's young son would have no issues with sharing if it meant creating an identical duplication of the toy for his baby sister to have, while he continued playing with the original. While there is a very good, strong argument to be made for copying to be understood as sharing, it does remove the factor of not having the original while it's borrowed by another.
But slightly frustratingly, there's a simple answer out there, already being used by a huge and notoriously vicious sector of the copyright industry: books. Kindles feature the ability to "lend" books. It's suspended in your own account while it's borrowed, and returns when your chum is finished with it. It simulates a physical book, which short of laborious scanning or photocopying, is absent when borrowed by a friend. And it's a system people tend to be very happy with.
It's a system that absolutely should be featured on Steam, Origin, UPlay, etc etc. And it's a system we're very unlikely to see, until people start making it clear they're demanding it in huge enough numbers. Because right now the publishers much prefer the current setup: everyone has to buy their own copy.
My dad and I both have Steam accounts. Sometimes after I've finished a game I realise how much he'd enjoy it. Right now, if he's to play it he's going to have to buy it himself, or I'll buy it for him. But that's ridiculous! I'm done with it. I bought it, played it, and now I'm done with it. It's his turn to have a go on the copy I bought. Why on Earth have I never resisted for the freedom to of course be able to divert my copy of a game from my account to his? No copy is lost, no unauthorised duplication has taken place. I've simply done the thing I always had before, when I'd finished with a copy of a game on my 360, PS2, Xbox, N64, DS, Atari... I would have shared.
The Xbox One, with all its creepy Kinect-spying, TV interaction weirdness for the seventeen people who still ever watch TV as it's broadcast, and dog-based shooters serves a useful purpose. It takes the industry's fervent ambition to prevent the natural, beautiful human desire to share to a clearer, more immediately offensive place. It highlights the freedom we've already given up. And perhaps it will shake us enough to start resisting at last.
He raises a good point with comparing books, where lending is pretty standard. Heck, something akin to a (book) library for console games has to be EA's worst nightmare (yes, I know, some libraries do that, and video/games stores, too).
Quote from: garbon on May 22, 2013, 11:09:26 PM
I really don't know why I ever read your posts. I always end up wanting to bash your head in. -_-
Console FPSs are the evilest of evil. They are the gays to the Westbaro church!
I would imagine that the EU will come down on that in pretty short order. That's the sort of thing they do, and Microsoft has been hesitant in the past to pay the kinds of bribes that all EU institutions run on.
Good summary by Yahtzee on the recent reveals:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/7417-Next-Gen-Buyers-Guide
Oh, btw, you need to log in every 24h minimum to play your games. And loaning to friends only if the developer wants to allow it. (MS say they allow it ONCE and only to friends that have been on your friends list for at least 30 days.) The loaning feature will not be available at launch.
http://www.destructoid.com/xbox-one-games-require-online-verification-every-24-hours-255542.phtml
QuoteSpread across multiple blog posts, Microsoft has finally clarified some of its policies regarding online connection requirements and trading in used games. Describing the system as being "designed from the ground up to be ready and connected," the company confirms that users will need to check in to "verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend":
"With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies," reads the official explanation.
Another post describes licensing: "After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud. So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend's house, you can play your games." Up to ten family members "can log in and play from your shared games library."
On the used games front, Microsoft says it's up to publishers. (Great...) "Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once."
Continuing with the "Ugh, really?" news, to the surprise of no one: "In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won't be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."
This is, sadly, right in line with what many of us were expecting from Microsoft. Now I have to wonder how Xbox Live Gold subscriptions will play into all of this. Not liking where this is headed.
Lastly, for Kinect, "The system will navigate you through key privacy options, like automatic or manual sign in, privacy settings, and clear notifications about how data is used," according to Microsoft. "When Xbox One is on and you're simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded."
"If you don't want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say 'Xbox Off.' When the system is off, it's only listening for the single voice command -- 'Xbox On,' and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you'll need to turn it back on for these experiences."
Do they come up with these schemes as a way of testing out how the market will react and then plan to change if they don't like it (or keep it in place if people don't grumble)? I can't see any reason that I'd want an Xbox 360 if it required me to have the internet to play. Current gen is still fine enough with out that rubbish.
edit: Great movie, Syt. :thumbsup:
What you want has no bearing on anything. It's a deal between publishers (movies & games) and microsoft.
Sure, I suppose it doesn't matter if you have customers.
Quote from: Syt on June 09, 2013, 01:06:41 AM
Good summary by Yahtzee on the recent reveals:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/7417-Next-Gen-Buyers-Guide
:lol:
"ALL IN, MOTHERFUCKERS"
Yeah... it's an interesting time in the game industry.
Re: The stupid no loaning games thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
As one commentator said, the Xbox One seems to take all of the negative stuff about digital PC gaming (atrocious DRM, no lending of games, limited/installs or resales) without adding the good stuff - a variety of online shops creating competition and sales - Steam Summer Sale, anyone?), modding community, the option of buying DRM free ...
Also, you're able to plug in any console from the Atari 2070 to Xbox 360 or PS3 and can play your games 10 or 20 years from now. Xbox One not so much, if MS decides to discontinue the system and switches off the servers at some point.
Quote from: Tyr on June 10, 2013, 11:23:11 PM
Re: The stupid no loaning games thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
:lol:
Hmm, he doesn't actually let go. What does that signify?
:mmm:
PS4 was the clear winner of the E3 showdown.
With the currently available info I'd also rather take a PS4 than an XBone. That said, neither console screams "MUST HAVE" or seems to be that huge a leap, technologically, from the current generation. Considering that the current gen has an extraordinarily long lifespan for consoles (pushing on 7 and 8 years, while previous generations had 4-6 years till a new generation came out), that's a bit surprising.
The Bavarian sums up all my feelings on subject as well.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FSYiipmM.jpg&hash=fbafd8f27965e9724620fb152c255289d8eba4df)
I've never owned a PS-anything (owned both Xbox systems), but Sony seems to be kicking Microsoft's ass so far. Especially because they would let me sell my games to someone besides Gamespot for $1.50. :hmm:
I did first xbox and then ps2 and ps3. I don't know really why I gravitated to Sony. Maybe it's connected back to that playable version of Road Rash they had at Universal City Walk back in the day. :D
I'm thinking of getting a PS4 this generation. I never got into the 360/PS3 generation. I've got a 360 but I've never really used it to play games, it's a media machine more than anything else.
I'm probably gonna skip this generation or wait until the best of these consoles (probably the PS4) drops to something like $200, which will probably be when they release the succeeding generation anyway. None of the stuff they're selling excites me. Maybe I'm just not a gamer anymore. :(
Had Playstation, and then PS2 and Xbox, finally on my 2nd 360, but yeah if as stands now if decide to get next gen console will be PS4. But pretty much all the games i bought for 360 save the EA sports titles have come out on PC so no reason to buy one if that keeps up.
I was rather happy with my 360, except that Sony had the - to me - more interesting exclusives, like Uncharted, Hard Rain, MLB The Show etc, whereas most 360 games with few exceptions, like Red Dead Redemption or Forza Motorsport) make it to the PC sooner or later.
Yeah true, I really am keen on Last of Us, but not gonna buy as PS3 just for that :D
Quote from: Syt on June 11, 2013, 10:12:41 PM
I was rather happy with my 360, except that Sony had the - to me - more interesting exclusives, like Uncharted, Hard Rain, MLB The Show etc, whereas most 360 games with few exceptions, like Red Dead Redemption or Forza Motorsport) make it to the PC sooner or later.
Ace Combat.
Nearly made me choose a 360 despite this fact. :(
Ace Combat 6 is basically why I got a 360.
Quote from: FunkMonk on June 11, 2013, 09:13:36 PM
I'm probably gonna skip this generation or wait until the best of these consoles (probably the PS4) drops to something like $200, which will probably be when they release the succeeding generation anyway. None of the stuff they're selling excites me. Maybe I'm just not a gamer anymore. :(
Me too.
Perhaps more damaging for this release, my boys have no interest in this generation of consoles.
Not sure where the market is going to be.
Quote from: Syt on June 10, 2013, 11:36:27 PM
As one commentator said, the Xbox One seems to take all of the negative stuff about digital PC gaming (atrocious DRM, no lending of games, limited/installs or resales) without adding the good stuff - a variety of online shops creating competition and sales - Steam Summer Sale, anyone?), modding community, the option of buying DRM free ...
Also, you're able to plug in any console from the Atari 2070 to Xbox 360 or PS3 and can play your games 10 or 20 years from now. Xbox One not so much, if MS decides to discontinue the system and switches off the servers at some point.
I wonder if Microsoft realizes how much they're botching this release. All the negatives about the Xbox One are self-inflicted (and hopefully it's not too late to change at least some of them). I'm a big fan of the 360 and mostly use my PS3 just to play blu-rays, but if I buy either system at launch it's going to be the PS4.
You know, I can't really see myself buying either system at this point. I've enjoyed my 360, but everything worth playing seems to eventually come to PC, unless it's made by EA. And even then, they'll get tired of wasting money on Origin in a few more years.
I watched the playstation lending games with PS4 video again yesterday.
I notice some small print has appeared saying this is only for purely physical games and all sorts of restrictions apply with some other games. I guess microsoft got angry. :lol:
And yeah, I only just got my PS3 in January. Its all i need for now, there's a big backlog I haven't played. I don't even play it all that much.
I doubt I'll be early-adopting anything this generation; I've got something like 70-75 games invested in my 360, and the *only* reason I'd go for the XBO is Forza 5. Unless something changes, I'll wait for a price drop on the PS4.
Btw, XBox One will be region locked. And at launch, these countries will be serviced:
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Canada
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Ireland
Italy
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Russia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
United States
Fun detail: Witcher 3 will also be on Xbox One ... but the Polish developers wouldn't be able to play it on that system in their homes home for a while.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on June 12, 2013, 10:32:20 PM
I doubt I'll be early-adopting anything this generation; I've got something like 70-75 games invested in my 360, and the *only* reason I'd go for the XBO is Forza 5. Unless something changes, I'll wait for a price drop on the PS4.
Basically the same here. PS4 is geared towards games, has no inherent region lock (though devs can opt for it), and doesn't have egregious DRM issues as the XB1 seems to have.
XB1, on the other hand, is region locked, requires to phone home once a day, has its weird Kinect always on (I don't think it's used mischievously, but it's still a stupid feature), and comes with a load of promised TV/multimedia/streaming options that will only be fully useful in the U.S. Oh, and the base version costs more. At least I'm in a country that has the privilege of being allowed to buy and use an XB1 right away.
Microsoft, you're not making this difficult.
Quote from: Syt on June 16, 2013, 02:28:17 AM
Btw, XBox One will be region locked. And at launch, these countries will be serviced:
Yet another stupid move in this day and age.
what was Microsoft thinking? it'd be different if they had little or no competition, but that's not the case in consoles. Oh well, I wasn't planning on buying one anyway.
:)
QuoteMicrosoft has changed its policies regarding Xbox One's internet requirement, used game restrictions and more. Contrary to the details announced earlier this month, Microsoft has now confirmed news originally reported on Giant Bomb that Xbox One will no longer require an internet connection or need to check in every 24 hours; instead, internet will only be required when initially setting up the console.
Xbox One will also no longer restrict used games, and will instead allow discs to be exchanged in the same way they are on Xbox 360 with no additional restrictions for trade-ins or lending games to friends. The system is also no longer be region locked and all downloaded games will function the same way whether your console is connected or not.
Microsoft's decision follows mass confusion following the announcement of Xbox One in May. At E3 last week, Sony announced similar policies for PlayStation 4, which will not require an internet connection or periodic authentication and does not restrict used games.
I'm not completely swayed yet, but that's a good start.
The Xbox is interesting because it appears to be a windows PC that has been customized as a dedicating gaming machine. Yet apparently they are not fully integrating it with their Windows 8 app store, which seems odd because it would be an obvious way to boost up Win8. Perhaps there are technical obstacles, perhaps they just don't want to cannibalize revenue from those expensive optical media games. It does seem like they aren't taking full advantage of the potentialities of the hardware and OS, which would give them a clear leg up on Sony.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 19, 2013, 05:17:28 PM
The Xbox is interesting because it appears to be a windows PC that has been customized as a dedicating gaming machine. Yet apparently they are not fully integrating it with their Windows 8 app store, which seems odd because it would be an obvious way to boost up Win8. Perhaps there are technical obstacles, perhaps they just don't want to cannibalize revenue from those expensive optical media games. It does seem like they aren't taking full advantage of the potentialities of the hardware and OS, which would give them a clear leg up on Sony.
Everything I've been reading has been going with Microsoft is trying to introduce a home media platform that plays games where Sony is Game machine that can play bluray
Quote from: katmai on June 19, 2013, 05:51:11 PM
Everything I've been reading has been going with Microsoft is trying to introduce a home media platform that plays games where Sony is Game machine that can play bluray
Good point. I'm thinking that outside U.S. at least this will make the PS4 the more interesting proposition, because games will be the driving factor for sales. I've never heard of anyone over here using their console for media consumption (even though MS at least have their overpriced Zune system here), and a lot of people I know who have consoles (PS3 or 360) have never even once hooked it up to the internet.
I wouldn't be too sure on games being the driving factor in sales.
Gaming is in an interesting place right now. Increasingly kids don't have conventional consoles. Mobile gaming ( :bleeding: ) really is taking over much of the market.
Its mainly us old folks that are keeping the traditional industry going.
As was seen with the original wii, if you can somehow tap into the mainstream then you're into the big money.
Microsoft is trying to be 'innovitive' in that its jumping right at the nascant web-tv industry...except this has been talked about as the next big thing for years...and they're being very US centric....and their product costs a lot more than competitors that don't play games....
Quote from: katmai on June 19, 2013, 05:51:11 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 19, 2013, 05:17:28 PM
The Xbox is interesting because it appears to be a windows PC that has been customized as a dedicating gaming machine. Yet apparently they are not fully integrating it with their Windows 8 app store, which seems odd because it would be an obvious way to boost up Win8. Perhaps there are technical obstacles, perhaps they just don't want to cannibalize revenue from those expensive optical media games. It does seem like they aren't taking full advantage of the potentialities of the hardware and OS, which would give them a clear leg up on Sony.
Everything I've been reading has been going with Microsoft is trying to introduce a home media platform that plays games where Sony is Game machine that can play bluray
It's been a stated goal of the Microsoft Brass for a while now, the problems with that is #1 Only works in the US #2 Hardcore are what sell a game to their mainstream friends. It's like they don't remember Vista at all.
Quote from: katmai on June 19, 2013, 05:51:11 PM
Everything I've been reading has been going with Microsoft is trying to introduce a home media platform that plays games where Sony is Game machine that can play bluray
My point is a little different though. As a Windows 8 PC, XB1 seemingly has a potential advantage just as gaming platform. In theory, would it be possible to run PC games right off the Box? Seems like it should be possible. At the very least it should be able to run regular Win 8 apps. Yet it appears that potential is not being leveraged.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 20, 2013, 03:04:20 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 19, 2013, 05:51:11 PM
Everything I've been reading has been going with Microsoft is trying to introduce a home media platform that plays games where Sony is Game machine that can play bluray
My point is a little different though. As a Windows 8 PC, XB1 seemingly has a potential advantage just as gaming platform. In theory, would it be possible to run PC games right off the Box? Seems like it should be possible. At the very least it should be able to run regular Win 8 apps. Yet it appears that potential is not being leveraged.
It could, this new gen will have an x86 processor for the first time.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 20, 2013, 03:06:49 PM
It could, this new gen will have an x86 processor for the first time.
While that's true, this thing has nowhere near the firepower of a gaming rig.
- AMD A4-5000 Jaguar CPU
Yes, it's got 8 cores. That's the good part. The bad part is that it's clocked under 2GHz, and a lot of PC game developers don't really use core affinity to get the most out of a processor. Without program tweaks, this CPU would be hard-pressed to run Team Fortress 2.
- AMD Xenos GPU
More previous-gen equipment. The big nicety here is that it's two physical cores, and it includes some firmware updates like current-gen shader model. The cores are clocked at 500MHz, and since there's no comparable multi-core GPUs on the market, only XBox developers are going to have the instructions on how to set GPU core affinity. To everybody else, it's comparable to a Radeon X1800 from 2005. No way in hell would this run a PC copy of Crysis on Extreme.
- 8GB DDR3 RAM
I was bottlenecking at basically this spec, so I doubled it to 16 for my own system. Ask your average WoW player how well 8GB of RAM works for them.
SUMMARY: I'm pretty sure the APU/GPU combo is the only way they manage to get multitasking into the system- making beautiful games happen on this GPU is going to require making the most of all the cores available, so they needed the APU to handle the load for OS and video streaming.
You can't run WoW with 8 GB of RAM? GW2 runs fine with 6 GB, so I have a tough time believing that an 8 year old game requires that much more.
It got updated multiple time tho. WoW was always a game that used a lot of Ram but it's the exception, not the rules.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 21, 2013, 10:56:10 AM
It got updated multiple time tho. WoW was always a game that used a lot of Ram but it's the exception, not the rules.
Even then I think DsB is setting his expectations too high. Anybody who expects a $500 console to be as good looking as a custom made $2000-3000 gaming rig is going to be disappointed.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 20, 2013, 03:04:20 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 19, 2013, 05:51:11 PM
Everything I've been reading has been going with Microsoft is trying to introduce a home media platform that plays games where Sony is Game machine that can play bluray
My point is a little different though. As a Windows 8 PC, XB1 seemingly has a potential advantage just as gaming platform. In theory, would it be possible to run PC games right off the Box? Seems like it should be possible. At the very least it should be able to run regular Win 8 apps. Yet it appears that potential is not being leveraged.
MS seems to like bringing themselves on the verge of doing something extremely cool, then falling short for no stated reason.
Quote from: frunk on June 21, 2013, 11:04:11 AM
Even then I think DsB is setting his expectations too high. Anybody who expects a $500 console to be as good looking as a custom made $2000-3000 gaming rig is going to be disappointed.
Not only did you completely miss my point, you just argued it for me.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on June 22, 2013, 08:08:20 PM
Not only did you completely miss my point, you just argued it for me.
The new XBox will be perfectly capable of playing most modern pc games, provided you don't expect it to look as good as an expensive gaming rig. Was that your point?
Quote from: frunk on June 23, 2013, 11:29:43 AM
The new XBox will be perfectly capable of playing most modern pc games, provided you don't expect it to look as good as an expensive gaming rig. Was that your point?
Which defeats the purpose of a gaming console. You could put together something well under $500 that would play the same games with the same performance. The whole point of the gaming console is that developers get access to the whole hardware without a clunky operating system bogging down the performance of the whole thing.
The whole point of a gaming console is that you plug it into your existing TV and put the game in and play, without having to dick around with separate components, settings, options, 3rd party programs and all of that other stuff.
Bigger point is that the whole distinction between PCs and other kinds of computing devices (phones, tablets, set-top boxes etc) is collapsing. There are just boxes of different sizes with computers in them.
Quote from: Neil on June 12, 2013, 07:38:19 PM
And even then, they'll get tired of wasting money on Origin in a few more years.
What can I do to speed up this process? :yucky:
Quote from: viper37 on June 26, 2013, 09:46:54 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 12, 2013, 07:38:19 PM
And even then, they'll get tired of wasting money on Origin in a few more years.
What can I do to speed up this process? :yucky:
Absolutely nothing. Foolish corporate decisions of that nature can only be waited out.