First, the Head Zoomie-In-Chief for the prevention of sexual harassment gets charged for groping, now this.
TURN YOUR KEY SIR
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QuoteAir Force sidelines 17 ICBM launch officers; commander cites 'rot' within system
By Associated Press, Updated: Wednesday, May 8, 4:59 AM
WASHINGTON — The Air Force stripped an unprecedented 17 officers of their authority to control — and, if necessary, launch — nuclear missiles after a string of unpublicized failings, including a remarkably dim review of their unit's launch skills. The group's deputy commander said it is suffering "rot" within its ranks.
"We are, in fact, in a crisis right now," the commander, Lt. Col. Jay Folds, wrote in an internal email obtained by The Associated Press and confirmed by the Air Force.
The tip-off to trouble was a March inspection of the 91st Missile Wing at Minot Air Force Base, N.D., which earned the equivalent of a "D" grade when tested on its mastery of Minuteman III missile launch operations. In other areas, the officers tested much better, but the group's overall fitness was deemed so tenuous that senior officers at Minot decided, after probing further, that an immediate crackdown was called for.
The Air Force publicly called the inspection a "success."
But in April it quietly removed 17 officers at Minot from the highly sensitive duty of standing 24-hour watch over the Air Force's most powerful nuclear missiles, the intercontinental ballistic missiles that can strike targets across the globe. Inside each underground launch control capsule, two officers stand "alert" at all times, ready to launch an ICBM upon presidential order.
"You will be a bench warmer for at least 60 days," Folds wrote.
The 17 cases mark the Air Force's most extensive sidelining ever of launch crew members, according to Lt. Col. Angie Blair, a spokeswoman for Air Force Global Strike Command, which oversees the missile units as well as nuclear-capable bombers. The wing has 150 officers assigned to missile launch control duty.
The trouble at Minot is the latest in a series of setbacks for the Air Force's nuclear mission, highlighted by a 2008 Pentagon advisory group report that found a "dramatic and unacceptable decline" in the Air Force's commitment to the mission, which has its origins in a Cold War standoff with the former Soviet Union.
In 2008, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates sacked the top civilian and military leaders of the Air Force after a series of blunders, including a bomber's mistaken flight across the country armed with nuclear-tipped missiles. Since then the Air Force has taken numerous steps designed to improve its nuclear performance.
The email obtained by the AP describes a culture of indifference, with at least one intentional violation of missile safety rules and an apparent unwillingness among some to challenge or report those who violate rules.
In response to AP inquiries, the Air Force said the lapses never put the security of the nuclear force at risk. It said the officers who lost their certification to operate ICBMs are now getting more training with the expectation that they will return to normal duty within about two months. The missiles remain on their normal war footing, officials said.
Although sidelining 17 launch officers at once is unprecedented, the Air Force said stripping officers of their authority to control nuclear missiles happens to "a small number" of officers every year for a variety of reasons.
In addition to the 17, possible disciplinary action is pending against one other officer at Minot who investigators found had purposefully broken a missile safety rule in an unspecified act that could have compromised the secret codes that enable the launching of missiles, which stand on high alert in underground silos in the nation's midsection. Officials said there was no compromise of missile safety or security.
Folds is deputy commander of the 91st Operations Group, whose three squadrons are responsible for manning the wing's 15 Minuteman III launch control centers.
Advising his troops on April 12 that they had "fallen," Folds wrote that drastic corrective action was required because "we didn't wake up" after an underwhelming inspection in March that he said amounted to a failure, even though the unit's overall performance technically was rated "satisfactory." That is two notches below the highest rating.
"And now we're discovering such rot in the crew force that your behavior while on alert is accepting of" weapons safety rule violations, possible code compromises and other failings, "all in the name of not inconveniencing yourselves," Folds wrote.
Folds also complained about unwarranted questioning of orders from superior officers by launch crews and failure to address superiors with the proper respect.
"We are breaking you down, and we will build from the ground up," Folds added. He later wrote, "It takes real leaders to lead through a crisis and we are, in fact, in a crisis right now."
He told his subordinates, "You must continue to turn over the rocks and find the rot."
When the AP inquired about the Folds email, the Air Force arranged a telephone interview with one of Folds' superiors, Col. Robert Vercher, commander of the 91st Missile Wing. The wing is one of three that operate the nation's fleet of 450 Minuteman III missiles; the two others are at Malmstrom Air Force Base, Mont., and F.E. Warren Air Force Base, Wyo.
"We are frustrated anytime we're performing less than we expect of ourselves," Vercher said, adding that he and other senior officers are implementing an aggressive and innovative plan to restore a record of high performance among launch control officers.
"There was a problem," Vercher said. "And we will fix it."
Vercher said Folds was expressing frustration.
"That is a very passionate leader embarrassed by a performance below our expectation," Vercher said, adding that Folds was disappointed by the inspection, which was by the inspector general of the Air Force Global Strike Command.
Vercher said Folds was telling his officers, in effect, "Quite frankly, you guys should all be embarrassed that in an area that's important, you passed but you were rated as very close to not passing, and that's not acceptable."
The inspection area to which Vercher referred was proficiency at operating the missile launch simulator and responses to written questions about procedures. Their performance was rated "marginal," which Vercher said is the equivalent of a "D" grade. The inspector's office told the AP that "marginal" is a passing rating, "but attention is needed from leadership to address issues before they become unsatisfactory."
"Nobody is comfortable with that," Vercher said.
The launch simulator is used in testing for inspection because, for obvious reasons, they can't perform an actual missile launch.
Exposure of shortcomings within Vercher's unit recalls an earlier series of stunning mistakes by other elements of the nuclear force, including the August 2007 incident in which an Air Force B-52 bomber flew from Minot to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., without the crew realizing it was armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles. One outcome of the incident was the creation of Global Strike Command in January 2009 as a way of improving management of the nuclear enterprise.
Bruce Blair, who served as an Air Force ICBM launch control officer in the 1970s and is now a research scholar at Princeton University, said the Folds email points to a broader problem within the nuclear weapons force.
"The nuclear air force is suffering from a deep malaise caused by the declining relevance of their mission since the Cold War's end over 20 years ago," Blair said in an interview. "Minuteman launch crews have long been marginalized and demoralized by the fact that the Air Force's culture and fast-track careers revolve around flying planes, not sitting in underground bunkers baby-sitting nuclear-armed missiles."
Blair is co-founder of Global Zero, an international group that advocates the eventual elimination of nuclear weapons.
What's the deal with America?
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 09:12:30 AM
What's the deal with America?
America, Fuck Yeah :(
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 09:12:30 AM
What's the deal with America?
In my broad opinion, we've gone from a nation which tries to be the best - which fights, claws, and innovates its way to the top - to a nation who simply assumes we are the best, even when we aren't. We've kept the arrogance and confidence of our national character but have largely abandoned the part which puts our money where our mouth is.
The U.S. military has poor character and competency in its entire leadership chain from the highest general to the lowest Officer and Sergeant.
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2013, 10:41:41 AM
The U.S. military has poor character and competency in its entire leadership chain from the highest general to the lowest Officer and Sergeant.
:lmfao: What a bunch of horseshit.
Meh, I would imagine it would actually be rather hard to create and maintain a culture of excellence in a force that has largely become irrelevant since the end of the cold war, or certainly not relevant in the manner it used to be.
Further, it's not like the actual day to day maintenance and use of ICBMs is interesting or challenging, yet the critical nature demands that it be treated as if it were. If you are an officer on a nuclear armed sub, for example, you have the actual operation of the sub to keep you busy, engaged, and motivated. To a lesser extent a bomber pilot/crew has to actually fly the plane, and keeping on top of that is an interesting and engaging challenge.
If you are a USAF officer tasked with sitting in a hole all day babysitting a nuclear missile, how can that be an engaging and meaningful part of your career?
I think it would be incredibly hard to keep those guys sharp all the time.
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2013, 10:41:41 AM
The U.S. military has poor character and competency in its entire leadership chain from the highest general to the lowest Officer and Sergeant.
Hmmm. What is the common factor in all the relationships involving "poor character and competency" that you have had in the military, from "the highest general to the lowest Officer and Sergeant?" That common factor will likeliest explain all the poor character and leadership you see.
Quote from: fahdiz on May 08, 2013, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 09:12:30 AM
What's the deal with America?
In my broad opinion, we've gone from a nation which tries to be the best - which fights, claws, and innovates its way to the top - to a nation who simply assumes we are the best, even when we aren't. We've kept the arrogance and confidence of our national character but have largely abandoned the part which puts our money where our mouth is.
Sadly yes
If we remove the human element from the process we may solve the problem. A machine doesn't get bored and will work for some electricity and oil.
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 11:19:52 AM
If we remove the human element from the process we may solve the problem. A machine doesn't get bored and will work for some electricity and oil.
Like the WOPR? That didn't go so well. I think Berkut is right. It must be a royal bitch to maintain high standards when your career is dedicated to spend 24 hour shifts staring at a bank of computer displays in the highly unlikely event that WWIII breaks out.
Maybe leaving more room for personal initiative will attract better talent?
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 11:35:52 AM
Maybe leaving more room for personal initiative will attract better talent?
Yes, they should be able to deploy warheads randomly on their own from time to time in order to sharpen their skills.
Quote from: grumbler on May 08, 2013, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2013, 10:41:41 AM
The U.S. military has poor character and competency in its entire leadership chain from the highest general to the lowest Officer and Sergeant.
Hmmm. What is the common factor in all the relationships involving "poor character and competency" that you have had in the military, from "the highest general to the lowest Officer and Sergeant?" That common factor will likeliest explain all the poor character and leadership you see.
Gays. :yes:
Quote from: fahdiz on May 08, 2013, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 09:12:30 AM
What's the deal with America?
In my broad opinion, we've gone from a nation which tries to be the best - which fights, claws, and innovates its way to the top - to a nation who simply assumes we are the best, even when we aren't. We've kept the arrogance and confidence of our national character but have largely abandoned the part which puts our money where our mouth is.
I don't think that's broadly fair.
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 11:47:22 AM
Quote from: fahdiz on May 08, 2013, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 09:12:30 AM
What's the deal with America?
In my broad opinion, we've gone from a nation which tries to be the best - which fights, claws, and innovates its way to the top - to a nation who simply assumes we are the best, even when we aren't. We've kept the arrogance and confidence of our national character but have largely abandoned the part which puts our money where our mouth is.
I don't think that's broadly fair.
As I said, it's an opinion based on anecdotal evidence. I don't have statistical data to back it up.
Well thanks for your negativity then.
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
Well thanks for your negativity then.
I can see how that would be difficult for you take, with your constant input of positivity and cheerfullness.
:D
Quote from: Valmy on May 08, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
Well thanks for your negativity then.
I can see how that would be difficult for you take, with your constant input of positivity and cheerfullness.
I'm known as the cheerful one in my department. :)
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 12:12:40 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 08, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
Well thanks for your negativity then.
I can see how that would be difficult for you take, with your constant input of positivity and cheerfullness.
I'm known as the cheerful one in my department. :)
Gay means gay.
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 12:28:37 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 12:12:40 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 08, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
Well thanks for your negativity then.
I can see how that would be difficult for you take, with your constant input of positivity and cheerfullness.
I'm known as the cheerful one in my department. :)
Gay means gay.
The guy that works under me is gay too.
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 11:47:22 AM
I don't think that's broadly fair.
Not for you, perhaps. But if fahdiz sees that as his problem I will accept his diagnosis.
Quote from: grumbler on May 08, 2013, 12:44:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 11:47:22 AM
I don't think that's broadly fair.
Not for you, perhaps. But if fahdiz sees that as his problem I will accept his diagnosis.
Ah, gotcha.
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 12:42:24 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 12:28:37 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 12:12:40 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 08, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
Well thanks for your negativity then.
I can see how that would be difficult for you take, with your constant input of positivity and cheerfullness.
I'm known as the cheerful one in my department. :)
Gay means gay.
The guy that works under me is gay too.
No doubt.
Quote from: Berkut on May 08, 2013, 11:15:16 AM
If you are a USAF officer tasked with sitting in a hole all day babysitting a nuclear missile, how can that be an engaging and meaningful part of your career?
I think it would be incredibly hard to keep those guys sharp all the time.
Yeah, I can definitely see how tough it would be to maintain your TURN YOUR KEY SIR clenched-ass status all the time in that role. After a few weeks, you're yawning through the drills.
You'd think that kind of role needs more personnel turnover than it has.
Quote from: 11B4V on May 08, 2013, 12:46:16 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 12:42:24 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 12:28:37 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 12:12:40 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 08, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
Well thanks for your negativity then.
I can see how that would be difficult for you take, with your constant input of positivity and cheerfullness.
I'm known as the cheerful one in my department. :)
Gay means gay.
The guy that works under me is gay too.
No doubt.
No really. We're about to have a meeting.
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 12:48:50 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 08, 2013, 12:46:16 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 12:42:24 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 12:28:37 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 12:12:40 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 08, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
Well thanks for your negativity then.
I can see how that would be difficult for you take, with your constant input of positivity and cheerfullness.
I'm known as the cheerful one in my department. :)
Gay means gay.
The guy that works under me is gay too.
No doubt.
No really. We're about to have a meeting.
I believe you.
Quote from: grumbler on May 08, 2013, 12:44:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 11:47:22 AM
I don't think that's broadly fair.
Not for you, perhaps. But if fahdiz sees that as his problem I will accept his diagnosis.
That...makes no sense.
Quote from: grumbler on May 08, 2013, 12:44:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 11:47:22 AM
I don't think that's broadly fair.
Not for you, perhaps. But if fahdiz sees that as his problem I will accept his diagnosis.
I'm not sure I indicated anywhere in that sentence anything about "my" problem, whatever you perceive it to be.
I wonder what their watch rotation is like. 24 on, then how many off?
Quote from: fahdiz on May 08, 2013, 01:11:10 PM
I'm not sure I indicated anywhere in that sentence anything about "my" problem, whatever you perceive it to be.
I am sure that you believed that you had the wisdom to speak for an entire nation. I simply pointed out to garbon (not bothering to waste the time trying to explain it to you) that your perceptions were really only valid for you, not the nation.
You certainly don't have to accept my point. I don't care whether you believe that you can really describe the entire US in a sentence or two. My point was intended for garbon, who I think can understand it.
:lol: Your opinion of me must be quite low.
Quote from: Valmy on May 08, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
Well thanks for your negativity then.
I can see how that would be difficult for you take, with your constant input of positivity and cheerfullness.
:lmfao:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 08, 2013, 01:11:33 PM
I wonder what their watch rotation is like. 24 on, then how many off?
QuoteThe wing has 150 officers assigned to missile launch control duty...
the wing's 15 Minuteman III launch control centers...
So, if 2 officers on duty in each launch center, then they stand duty one day in five. That's about what a ship's crew does in port, so that sounds about right to me.
See, this would be a pretty great job if you could play games or cruise the internet or read or whatever.
Quote from: Berkut on May 08, 2013, 01:41:12 PM
See, this would be a pretty great job if you could play games or cruise the internet or read or whatever.
LOL, DEFCON with fahdiz.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 08, 2013, 11:24:44 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 11:19:52 AM
If we remove the human element from the process we may solve the problem. A machine doesn't get bored and will work for some electricity and oil.
Like the WOPR? That didn't go so well.
I would agree that it would be a bad idea to replace the current system with a 30 year old fictitious computer system from a movie.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 08, 2013, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 08, 2013, 01:41:12 PM
See, this would be a pretty great job if you could play games or cruise the internet or read or whatever.
LOL, DEFCON with fahdiz.
SO MUCH COUGHING
SIR! I BROUGHT THE PONG MACHINE!
Capt. Fahdizzle: Too scary. Let's play Old Maid.
"How about a nice game of 'Chutes and Ladders'?"
"Too damaging to one's self-esteem. Pass."
The Old Maid has an angry, condescending look on her face. Pass.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 08, 2013, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 08, 2013, 01:41:12 PM
See, this would be a pretty great job if you could play games or cruise the internet or read or whatever.
LOL, DEFCON with fahdiz.
OH SHIT THAT WASN"T THE GAME!
Quote from: fahdiz on May 08, 2013, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 09:12:30 AM
What's the deal with America?
In my broad opinion, we've gone from a nation which tries to be the best - which fights, claws, and innovates its way to the top - to a nation who simply assumes we are the best, even when we aren't. We've kept the arrogance and confidence of our national character but have largely abandoned the part which puts our money where our mouth is.
We are Rome circa 220AD. :(
Quote from: sbr on May 08, 2013, 02:14:35 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on May 08, 2013, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 09:12:30 AM
What's the deal with America?
In my broad opinion, we've gone from a nation which tries to be the best - which fights, claws, and innovates its way to the top - to a nation who simply assumes we are the best, even when we aren't. We've kept the arrogance and confidence of our national character but have largely abandoned the part which puts our money where our mouth is.
We are Rome circa 220AD. :(
No fear. I am led to believe that any broad opinion which does not match grumbler's is to be discounted, so everything will be fine.
Raz: amused. Raz can also describe the US in a sentence. The US has a larger area then China but a smaller area then Canada.
Quote from: fahdiz on May 08, 2013, 02:15:52 PM
Quote from: sbr on May 08, 2013, 02:14:35 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on May 08, 2013, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 09:12:30 AM
What's the deal with America?
In my broad opinion, we've gone from a nation which tries to be the best - which fights, claws, and innovates its way to the top - to a nation who simply assumes we are the best, even when we aren't. We've kept the arrogance and confidence of our national character but have largely abandoned the part which puts our money where our mouth is.
We are Rome circa 220AD. :(
No fear. I am led to believe that any broad opinion which does not match grumbler's is to be discounted, so everything will be fine.
Yeah our society is pretty much in decay. I mean, we're letting gay people serve openly in our armed forces and get married!
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on May 08, 2013, 02:15:52 PM
Quote from: sbr on May 08, 2013, 02:14:35 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on May 08, 2013, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 09:12:30 AM
What's the deal with America?
In my broad opinion, we've gone from a nation which tries to be the best - which fights, claws, and innovates its way to the top - to a nation who simply assumes we are the best, even when we aren't. We've kept the arrogance and confidence of our national character but have largely abandoned the part which puts our money where our mouth is.
We are Rome circa 220AD. :(
No fear. I am led to believe that any broad opinion which does not match grumbler's is to be discounted, so everything will be fine.
Yeah our society is pretty much in decay. I mean, we're letting gay people serve openly in our armed forces and get married!
Oh, I think that part is actually awesome.
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 02:19:39 PM
Yeah our society is pretty much in decay. I mean, we're letting gay people serve openly in our armed forces and get married!
Canada already did that. Being behind Canada sounds like decay to me :hmm:
Quote from: Valmy on May 08, 2013, 02:28:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 02:19:39 PM
Yeah our society is pretty much in decay. I mean, we're letting gay people serve openly in our armed forces and get married!
Canada already did that. Being behind Canada sounds like decay to me :hmm:
Massachusetts did it first I believe - the marriage bit.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 08, 2013, 02:19:06 PM
Raz: amused. Raz can also describe the US in a sentence. The US has a larger area then China but a smaller area then Canada.
Whenever you're ready.
Quote from: fahdiz on May 08, 2013, 02:25:43 PM
Oh, I think that part is actually awesome.
Then you shouldn't complain, because you're part of the problem.
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 12:42:24 PM
The guy that works under me is gay too.
Maybe he just really needs the money.
I like the implication that the military is flushing out non-performing ICBM officers because we'll need men and women who are ready to turn their keys soon. :)
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 08, 2013, 01:43:46 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 08, 2013, 11:24:44 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 08, 2013, 11:19:52 AM
If we remove the human element from the process we may solve the problem. A machine doesn't get bored and will work for some electricity and oil.
Like the WOPR? That didn't go so well.
I would agree that it would be a bad idea to replace the current system with a 30 year old fictitious computer system from a movie.
I'm glad you do. One day perhaps The Brain will come around.
Quote from: Malthus on May 08, 2013, 03:04:45 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 08, 2013, 02:49:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 12:42:24 PM
The guy that works under me is gay too.
Maybe he just really needs the money.
:lol:
Wouldn't that be awesome if employers could offer perks like that?
If that shift is anything like mine, it would run like this:
5x watchteams working 12 hour shifts (0600-1800 or 1800-0600), with two front half of week, two back half of week, and one team on day-ho/reserve/in class/on leave status. There's good and bad to that schedule, though.
Sounds pretty cushy.
Quote from: Berkut on May 08, 2013, 04:26:05 PM
Sounds pretty cushy.
Keyword is 'sounds' :lol: It depends on the work being done, but it's pretty exhausting, believe it or not. I deal with the mids better, the days shift (0600-1800) leaves me such that all I want to do is eat leftovers and crash until the next shift hits. You have to keep in mind the type of work as well as the schedule. Again, 'sounds'.
I can see there being a morale issue when actually performing the function for which you are preparing = the end of the world, and when *never* performing that function = your whole job a complete and utter waste of time. :lol:
Quote from: AnchorClanker on May 08, 2013, 04:32:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 08, 2013, 04:26:05 PM
Sounds pretty cushy.
Keyword is 'sounds' :lol: It depends on the work being done, but it's pretty exhausting, believe it or not. I deal with the mids better, the days shift (0600-1800) leaves me such that all I want to do is eat leftovers and crash until the next shift hits. You have to keep in mind the type of work as well as the schedule. Again, 'sounds'.
Ugh, sounds like a modified Panama. I've done that with only 4 teams. It was good having days off during the week (easier to get shit done)...but yeah, those work days it was work-crash/sleep...didn't feel like there was any "real" downtime or relaxation on those days. Though I was the reverse...mids sucked balls.
I get more done at night, and there's less drive-by tasking and so on. For some reason days just wipes me out.
just who is pictgured in your avatar Anchor?
Quote from: AnchorClanker on May 08, 2013, 04:59:51 PM
I get more done at night, and there's less drive-by tasking and so on. For some reason days just wipes me out.
Fair points...nights were nice and quiet, without leadership hovering about.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 08, 2013, 05:03:01 PM
just who is pictgured in your avatar Anchor?
Hermann Hesse - a friend of mine sent it to me a LONG time ago with the note, "You at 60" Works for me.
I remember working 12 hour shifts of doing nothing. Thank God nothing important depended on my vigilance.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 08, 2013, 05:12:12 PM
I remember working 12 hour shifts of doing nothing. Thank God nothing important depended on my vigilance.
Doing nothing is worse than being busy - nothing going on makes for a LOOONG night. :P
Fortunately, that's rarely a concern.
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 03:57:45 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 08, 2013, 03:04:45 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 08, 2013, 02:49:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 12:42:24 PM
The guy that works under me is gay too.
Maybe he just really needs the money.
:lol:
Wouldn't that be awesome if employers could offer perks like that?
Few weeks off a year, full medical and dental...oh, and whores. Clean whores. When would you like to start?
My guess is that watchstanding for these guys is in addition to regular duties. They probably work the regular 7am-4pm workdays for three days, stand a watch, and have a day off. This is their operational tour, remember, and they stand their watch outside of easy communications with the admin types and their own subordinates.
I like the zoomies when they arrive at a resturant and a pack of them climbs out of thier tiny clown car. I didn't know they could stack and pack that much shit into a Yaris.
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 02:32:52 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 08, 2013, 02:28:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 08, 2013, 02:19:39 PM
Yeah our society is pretty much in decay. I mean, we're letting gay people serve openly in our armed forces and get married!
Canada already did that. Being behind Canada sounds like decay to me :hmm:
Massachusetts did it first I believe - the marriage bit.
Why did Governor Mitt Romney allow it. :(
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 08, 2013, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 08, 2013, 11:15:16 AM
If you are a USAF officer tasked with sitting in a hole all day babysitting a nuclear missile, how can that be an engaging and meaningful part of your career?
I think it would be incredibly hard to keep those guys sharp all the time.
Yeah, I can definitely see how tough it would be to maintain your TURN YOUR KEY SIR clenched-ass status all the time in that role. After a few weeks, you're yawning through the drills.
You'd think that kind of role needs more personnel turnover than it has.
Perhaps we could just have a few of them shot for the encouragement of the others.