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OK, I've said that I won't buy any more Paradox games, but I'm finding myself tempted by CKII.  However, of the Paradox games I don't have, would that be my best bet?

Discussion of reasons for your vote highly encouraged.

Hands down CKII is best. And i have all three of them so i speak from first hand experience.

CKII, and it isn't really close imo

Agreed on CKII.

HOI3 isn't terrible anymore but it just too much.  Of everything.  Except fun.

I have heard some decent things about Vicky2 with the most recent expansion.  Nothing to compare to CKII though.

Paradox screwed up and made CKII fun and playable.

Pretty lopsided poll. :D

Crusader Kings II is their best since EUII, possibly their best ever.  It's also the most accessible.

I'll go against the tide and say CKII is the best of the three.

L.

Quote from: garbon on April 28, 2013, 07:46:28 PM
Pretty lopsided poll. :D

It must be Languish's first. Usually we have different views on everything. :D

HOI3 is an unplayable mess.

Both Victoria 2 and CK2 are good. Depends what you're into really. Hard to judge. CK maybe.

Define unplayable.

Quote from: Tyr on April 29, 2013, 09:29:25 AM
HOI3 is an unplayable mess.

Both Victoria 2 and CK2 are good. Depends what you're into really. Hard to judge. CK maybe.

I had a very good game in Hoi3 when I played it in march (before the most recent expansion came out). But then I didn't try to run everything :p

Yep.  Everything works the way it is supposed to.  It just isn't that much fun.

HOI III can be a lot of fun if you focus on only a few things rather than try to micromanage everything.  There are some decent mods as well.  I wouldn't claim it was better than CK II though.

CK II.  I haven't played Victoria II yet but this new expansion has me wanting to give it a try.

Quote from: katmai on April 28, 2013, 05:48:10 PM
Hands down CKII is best. And i have all three of them so i speak from first hand experience.

Quote from: PRC on April 29, 2013, 11:03:02 AM
CK II.  I haven't played Victoria II yet but this new expansion has me wanting to give it a try.

Wait for a patch. Currently, the AI releases dominions whenever they can. It mostly runs: AI releases dominions, invests free colonization points in colonies, releases them as dominions etc. I hope they tie it to a tech, like German unification.

The original gameplay idea was that you build up your fleet to gain colonization points.

From what I hear there:s a bit of an issue with a super on the ball AI always increasing its colonial investments at the first second they can, which means there:s less of a colonial race and more of a long wait where whoever went first wins. My friend who did buy it says he stopped playing within a few hours when he realised he was just looking at uncolonised parts of the map and waiting

Quote from: Razgovory on April 28, 2013, 09:23:36 PM
Crusader Kings II is their best since EUII, possibly their best ever.  It's also the most accessible.

EUIII is incredible once you add all the expansions. Second only to CKII in my opinion. HOI2 comes in an entertaining third place.

Given how well they did with the family dynamics and all the expansions with CK2, I'm starting to think they should revisit classical Europe. I think they'd be able to make a game as a patrician Roman family interesting and fun.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 07, 2013, 02:48:19 AM

Quote from: Razgovory on April 28, 2013, 09:23:36 PM
Crusader Kings II is their best since EUII, possibly their best ever.  It's also the most accessible.

EUIII is incredible once you add all the expansions. Second only to CKII in my opinion. HOI2 comes in an entertaining third place.

Given how well they did with the family dynamics and all the expansions with CK2, I'm starting to think they should revisit classical Europe. I think they'd be able to make a game as a patrician Roman family interesting and fun.

They need to move away from their core "paint the map your faction's colour" game for that really.
Which is easier said than done given gamers have been raised into that sort of world.
But if managed yes, could be great.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 07, 2013, 02:48:19 AM

Quote from: Razgovory on April 28, 2013, 09:23:36 PM
Crusader Kings II is their best since EUII, possibly their best ever.  It's also the most accessible.

EUIII is incredible once you add all the expansions. Second only to CKII in my opinion. HOI2 comes in an entertaining third place.

Given how well they did with the family dynamics and all the expansions with CK2, I'm starting to think they should revisit classical Europe. I think they'd be able to make a game as a patrician Roman family interesting and fun.

I think they already did that.

Quote from: Razgovory on May 07, 2013, 11:12:34 AM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 07, 2013, 02:48:19 AM

Quote from: Razgovory on April 28, 2013, 09:23:36 PM
Crusader Kings II is their best since EUII, possibly their best ever.  It's also the most accessible.

EUIII is incredible once you add all the expansions. Second only to CKII in my opinion. HOI2 comes in an entertaining third place.

Given how well they did with the family dynamics and all the expansions with CK2, I'm starting to think they should revisit classical Europe. I think they'd be able to make a game as a patrician Roman family interesting and fun.

I think they already did that.

That's why he said revisit.  The game they came out with was not interesting nor was it fun.

I think they should come out with a game set in Hyperborea... they own the license to do that, right?  That way they would be free to innovate without a bunch of fucking nerds going "WAAAAAH WAAAAAAH ITS 1420 AND GRANADA ALWAYS GETS DESTROYED THATS NOT REALITSIC!!!!!!!!!!!" or nationalist nerds going "WHY CANNOT I CONQEUR THE WORLD WITH BULGARIA!"

No, instead you will get a new group of nerds complaining that the stats for Stygian priests are incorrect and that the inner workings of the Aquilonian court aren't properly taken into account. :P

Looks like I need to plump for CKII   :pope:

I quite liked Vicky II, though.  Spain was always fun to play.

Quote from: Tyr on May 07, 2013, 02:59:49 AM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 07, 2013, 02:48:19 AM

Quote from: Razgovory on April 28, 2013, 09:23:36 PM
Crusader Kings II is their best since EUII, possibly their best ever.  It's also the most accessible.

EUIII is incredible once you add all the expansions. Second only to CKII in my opinion. HOI2 comes in an entertaining third place.

Given how well they did with the family dynamics and all the expansions with CK2, I'm starting to think they should revisit classical Europe. I think they'd be able to make a game as a patrician Roman family interesting and fun.

They need to move away from their core "paint the map your faction's colour" game for that really.
Which is easier said than done given gamers have been raised into that sort of world.
But if managed yes, could be great.

Roman politicians were all about painting the map red to gain prestige and loot. Don't see why they'd have to move away from it. After all, warfare isn't the reason that CK2 is fun, but it's still an integral part of the game and painting the map your color is still a main goal.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 08, 2013, 03:27:02 AMpainting the map your color is still a main goal.

Only if you make it so. It's never been a goal in any of my CK or CK 2 games.

And in game about Classical Europe made with the same engine, doubtlessly you'd have the option to opt out of the imperial race as well.