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Title: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Barrister on April 27, 2013, 02:22:40 PM
Citing safety concerns they've all walked off.  It all started at the brand-new Edmonton Remand Centre.

Well this is going to make work on Monday fairly interesting...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2013/04/27/alberta-remand-centre-job-action.html
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: MadImmortalMan on April 27, 2013, 03:28:14 PM
So the safety concerns are focused on the layout plan I guess. They don't like being with the prisoners with no barriers between them.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Barrister on April 27, 2013, 05:05:25 PM
Not sure - they're saying there is more to it than that.

The Labour Board has ordered them back to work. COs deciding whether to comply.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Ed Anger on April 27, 2013, 05:40:34 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?

Wesley Snipes gets away.

MURDER DEATH KILL
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: The Brain on April 27, 2013, 06:06:46 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?

Prisoners starve in their cells.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Barrister on April 27, 2013, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?

Jails are being staffed by managers and by RCMP officers.  Inmates are in full lockdown - locked in their cells 23 1/2 hours per day.  Nurses refused to work, so prisoners only being given "life or death" medicine.

Sounds like the COs are refusing to comply with the order.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 06:40:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 27, 2013, 06:34:45 PM
Sounds like the COs are refusing to comply with the order.

Give them a PATCO going away party.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 27, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 27, 2013, 02:22:40 PM
Well this is going to make work on Monday fairly interesting...

Why?  It's your job to tag them, not to bag them.*






*And drop resisting arrest and assault on officer charges, of course.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Razgovory on April 27, 2013, 07:06:07 PM
Wait, isn't isn't your wife a guard or something?
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: katmai on April 27, 2013, 07:35:05 PM
She was back in the Great White North.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: dps on April 27, 2013, 08:08:13 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 27, 2013, 06:06:46 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?

Prisoners starve in their cells.

So there's no downside to this labor action?
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Barrister on April 28, 2013, 08:22:48 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 27, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
And drop resisting arrest and assault on officer charges, of course.

:rolleyes:

It as if you don't know me at all.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on April 28, 2013, 10:30:56 AM
As a public servant completely not-unionized (I'm sort of represented by a lobbying group but not anything close to a union), I think the concept is horrific and should be abolished.

As FDR said:

QuoteThe process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.... [a] strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to obstruct the operations of government until their demands are satisfied. Such action looking toward the paralysis of government by those who have sworn to support it is unthinkable and intolerable.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 28, 2013, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 28, 2013, 10:30:56 AM
As a public servant completely not-unionized (I'm sort of represented by a lobbying group but not anything close to a union), I think the concept is horrific and should be abolished.

Is that what you guys call the NICEC?
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Razgovory on April 28, 2013, 02:02:08 PM
I'm all for cutting Otto's salary.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 27, 2013, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?

Jails are being staffed by managers and by RCMP officers.  Inmates are in full lockdown - locked in their cells 23 1/2 hours per day.  Nurses refused to work, so prisoners only being given "life or death" medicine.

Gee, that sounds pretty fucked up.  Tell me, Uncle Beeb, is this in fact fucked up?
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Admiral Yi on April 28, 2013, 03:44:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 28, 2013, 02:02:08 PM
I'm all for cutting Otto's salary.

We should set everyone's salary through on-line popularity contests.  It would have the great advantage over the Stalinist-Leninist system of being democratic.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Barrister on April 28, 2013, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 27, 2013, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?

Jails are being staffed by managers and by RCMP officers.  Inmates are in full lockdown - locked in their cells 23 1/2 hours per day.  Nurses refused to work, so prisoners only being given "life or death" medicine.

Gee, that sounds pretty fucked up.  Tell me, Uncle Beeb, is this in fact fucked up?

Yeah, sounds like things are pretty messed up.  Question is whose fault is it.

The COs are refusing to comply with the LRB's order to return to work.

Now, Sheriffs (who provide courthouse security, as well as dealing with prisoners when they're in court) are refusing to come to work in sympathy.

I may have the day off tomorrow! :w00t:
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 03:55:32 PM
All I'm sayng is, that if they're basically putting thousands of prisoners in near-solitary confinement, and denying them health services (?), that's really fucked up, and if this isn't even an issue that concerns them, they're kind of terrible at their jobs.  Can they even bathe, or is that what the 30 minutes is for?

Of course, no one cares because prisoners are unpeople on Languish.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Ed Anger on April 28, 2013, 04:08:31 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 03:55:32 PM
All I'm sayng is, that if they're basically putting thousands of prisoners in near-solitary confinement, and denying them health services (?), that's really fucked up, and if this isn't even an issue that concerns them, they're kind of terrible at their jobs.  Can they even bathe, or is that what the 30 minutes is for?

Of course, no one cares because prisoners are unpeople on Languish.

You have a moist vagina.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
I might in a few hours, but I don't see how that's germane.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Ed Anger on April 28, 2013, 04:19:28 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Tonitrus on April 28, 2013, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
I might in a few hours, but I don't see how that's germane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cyWVPHoFGJA#t=18s

Sorry, obligatory....
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: stjaba on April 28, 2013, 05:49:47 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 03:55:32 PM
All I'm sayng is, that if they're basically putting thousands of prisoners in near-solitary confinement, and denying them health services (?), that's really fucked up, and if this isn't even an issue that concerns them, they're kind of terrible at their jobs.  Can they even bathe, or is that what the 30 minutes is for?

Of course, no one cares because prisoners are unpeople on Languish.

If this was in the United States, sounds like someone would have a great Section 1983 case.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Ed Anger on April 28, 2013, 06:29:03 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 28, 2013, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
I might in a few hours, but I don't see how that's germane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cyWVPHoFGJA#t=18s

Sorry, obligatory....

:)
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: DGuller on April 28, 2013, 06:34:43 PM
They should jail the strikers and temporarily deputize the inmates to guard them.  :mad:
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: 11B4V on April 28, 2013, 07:24:51 PM
Dont know this has been brought up, but why didnt the canuck govmint have a "No strike" clause in place.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Razgovory on April 28, 2013, 07:55:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 28, 2013, 03:44:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 28, 2013, 02:02:08 PM
I'm all for cutting Otto's salary.

We should set everyone's salary through on-line popularity contests.  It would have the great advantage over the Stalinist-Leninist system of being democratic.

I'm for this.  Any change in my salary would be an improvement.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 08:08:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 28, 2013, 04:19:28 PM
:lol:

DRAT.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on April 28, 2013, 08:25:16 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 28, 2013, 07:24:51 PM
Dont know this has been brought up, but why didnt the canuck govmint have a "No strike" clause in place.

Because Canadians are weak pussies with no spine? I can't imagine a Canadian government standing up for anything aside from the right to bend backwards for people.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Barrister on April 28, 2013, 10:47:23 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 28, 2013, 08:25:16 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 28, 2013, 07:24:51 PM
Dont know this has been brought up, but why didnt the canuck govmint have a "No strike" clause in place.

Because Canadians are weak pussies with no spine? I can't imagine a Canadian government standing up for anything aside from the right to bend backwards for people.
:rolleyes:

Again - it's as if I haven't been posting here for a dozen years or something.

This is Alberta.  We've had uninteruppted right-wing rule since the Great Depression.  Nobody is harder on unions than Alberta (at least in Canada).

The COs have a "no strike" clause.  They (along with everyone, union or not) have the right to refuse unsafe work.  And as such I supported their initial walk off the job.  But now, as it has crossed into all these sympathy strikes (latest ones - probation officers - paging Strix!), it has gone well beyond refusing unsafe work, and is now well into the territory of "illegal wildcat strike".

Tomorrow should be interesting.  I already had to email in a list of all prisoners I needed for court for Monday (for me the list was thankfully: nobody), with a report on witnesses / accuseds for the rest of the week due by noon on Monday.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 07:56:23 AM
So-So-Solidarité!
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Barrister on April 29, 2013, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 07:56:23 AM
So-So-Solidarité!

:bash:
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F04%2Fbangladesh_building_collapse-2.jpg%3Fw%3D620&hash=815560e247b3951206aa5e006dd0b3cd68161f96)

See what happens when they are no unions to keep everyone in line?
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: garbon on April 29, 2013, 10:19:18 AM
:hmm:
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Barrister on April 29, 2013, 11:16:06 AM
Got back from the courthouse.

There is a largish "picket line" out front.  Weather today is incredibly crappy though - it's snowing.  The picketers were mostly just standing around in clumps and periodically going out for coffee.

When I got inside there were Edmonton police providing courtroom security.  But there was a new twist - court clerks have also walked off the job (at least most of them, there were a few inside).  Apparently the powers that be weren't expecting that.  Courts were set to start at 9am, but it wasn't until 9:45 that even some of them were getting started.  Seems as if they found some managers or whomever to take over the duties of the court clerk.

Message from government is that they will be happy to sit down and discuss issues - once people go back to work.  Otherwise they will not negotiate as it might 'reward bad behaviour'.

Here's the latest news story for the curious:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2013/04/29/edmonton-sherriffs-guards-strike.html
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: citizen k on April 29, 2013, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 09:38:19 AM

See what happens when they are no unions to keep everyone in line?

They have unions for the garment workers.  :secret:

Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: crazy canuck on April 29, 2013, 11:28:23 AM
Wait! Its snowing today in Edmonton?

:lmfao:
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Maximus on April 29, 2013, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F04%2Fbangladesh_building_collapse-2.jpg%3Fw%3D620&hash=815560e247b3951206aa5e006dd0b3cd68161f96)

See what happens when they are no unions to keep everyone in line?
The guys holding up the building went on strike?
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Admiral Yi on April 29, 2013, 11:33:47 AM
Quote from: Maximus on April 29, 2013, 11:32:27 AM
The guys holding up the building went on strike?

:lol:
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: DGuller on April 29, 2013, 11:38:28 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: fhdz on April 29, 2013, 11:41:16 AM
We're going to need load-bearing scabs, STAT.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: The Brain on April 29, 2013, 11:42:00 AM
I got scabs.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 12:04:50 PM
Quote from: citizen k on April 29, 2013, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 09:38:19 AM

See what happens when they are no unions to keep everyone in line?

They have unions for the garment workers.  :secret:

I didn't mean them.

As Maximus points out, I mean the Holder crew.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: viper37 on April 29, 2013, 12:07:34 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
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See what happens when they are no unions to keep everyone in line?

Unionized work at its best:
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(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-54wz0akSTZ4%2FT1TVbgzMPcI%2FAAAAAAAASuo%2F4Qj2furoknM%2Fs1600%2FStade_montrealweb.jpg&hash=7de9dd82dfd6dcbe104120585c96df6ab2e6217b)

Actually. for the last one, the entire Stade Olympique deserves an award.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 12:09:28 PM
Engineers made those mistakes, except for the SO.

Quebec society at large is too blame for the SO.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Valmy on April 29, 2013, 12:13:16 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 12:09:28 PM
Engineers made those mistakes

Unionized engineers!!!111
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Barrister on April 29, 2013, 04:55:45 PM
I just got an email from our ADM thanking all of our unionized staff in the prosecutor's office for not going out on strike! :lol:
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Jacob on April 29, 2013, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: citizen k on April 29, 2013, 11:27:43 AM
They have unions for the garment workers.  :secret:

1. In Bangladesh, those unions are not very powerful.
2. The garment workers are not responsible for building standards.
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Barrister on April 30, 2013, 11:40:28 AM
Is the strike losing steam already?

Court clerks were back at work, no delays whatsoever in getting courtrooms running.  Crowd outside of the courthouse is much reduced from yesterday (even though it finally stopped snowing).
Title: Re: Corrections Officers walk off the job in Alberta
Post by: Barrister on May 01, 2013, 09:29:57 AM
Strike's over.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2013/04/30/edmonton-prison-guards-strike-day-5.html