Citing safety concerns they've all walked off. It all started at the brand-new Edmonton Remand Centre.
Well this is going to make work on Monday fairly interesting...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2013/04/27/alberta-remand-centre-job-action.html
So the safety concerns are focused on the layout plan I guess. They don't like being with the prisoners with no barriers between them.
Not sure - they're saying there is more to it than that.
The Labour Board has ordered them back to work. COs deciding whether to comply.
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?
Wesley Snipes gets away.
MURDER DEATH KILL
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?
Prisoners starve in their cells.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?
Jails are being staffed by managers and by RCMP officers. Inmates are in full lockdown - locked in their cells 23 1/2 hours per day. Nurses refused to work, so prisoners only being given "life or death" medicine.
Sounds like the COs are refusing to comply with the order.
Quote from: Barrister on April 27, 2013, 06:34:45 PM
Sounds like the COs are refusing to comply with the order.
Give them a PATCO going away party.
Quote from: Barrister on April 27, 2013, 02:22:40 PM
Well this is going to make work on Monday fairly interesting...
Why? It's your job to tag them, not to bag them.*
*
And drop resisting arrest and assault on officer charges, of course.
Wait, isn't isn't your wife a guard or something?
She was back in the Great White North.
Quote from: The Brain on April 27, 2013, 06:06:46 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?
Prisoners starve in their cells.
So there's no downside to this labor action?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 27, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
And drop resisting arrest and assault on officer charges, of course.
:rolleyes:
It as if you don't know me at all.
As a public servant completely not-unionized (I'm sort of represented by a lobbying group but not anything close to a union), I think the concept is horrific and should be abolished.
As FDR said:
QuoteThe process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.... [a] strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to obstruct the operations of government until their demands are satisfied. Such action looking toward the paralysis of government by those who have sworn to support it is unthinkable and intolerable.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 28, 2013, 10:30:56 AM
As a public servant completely not-unionized (I'm sort of represented by a lobbying group but not anything close to a union), I think the concept is horrific and should be abolished.
Is that what you guys call the NICEC?
I'm all for cutting Otto's salary.
Quote from: Barrister on April 27, 2013, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?
Jails are being staffed by managers and by RCMP officers. Inmates are in full lockdown - locked in their cells 23 1/2 hours per day. Nurses refused to work, so prisoners only being given "life or death" medicine.
Gee, that sounds pretty fucked up. Tell me, Uncle Beeb, is this in fact fucked up?
Quote from: Razgovory on April 28, 2013, 02:02:08 PM
I'm all for cutting Otto's salary.
We should set everyone's salary through on-line popularity contests. It would have the great advantage over the Stalinist-Leninist system of being democratic.
Quote from: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 27, 2013, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 27, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
What happens at the prison when the guards walk off?
Jails are being staffed by managers and by RCMP officers. Inmates are in full lockdown - locked in their cells 23 1/2 hours per day. Nurses refused to work, so prisoners only being given "life or death" medicine.
Gee, that sounds pretty fucked up. Tell me, Uncle Beeb, is this in fact fucked up?
Yeah, sounds like things are pretty messed up. Question is whose fault is it.
The COs are refusing to comply with the LRB's order to return to work.
Now, Sheriffs (who provide courthouse security, as well as dealing with prisoners when they're in court) are refusing to come to work in sympathy.
I may have the day off tomorrow! :w00t:
All I'm sayng is, that if they're basically putting thousands of prisoners in near-solitary confinement, and denying them health services (?), that's really fucked up, and if this isn't even an issue that concerns them, they're kind of terrible at their jobs. Can they even bathe, or is that what the 30 minutes is for?
Of course, no one cares because prisoners are unpeople on Languish.
Quote from: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 03:55:32 PM
All I'm sayng is, that if they're basically putting thousands of prisoners in near-solitary confinement, and denying them health services (?), that's really fucked up, and if this isn't even an issue that concerns them, they're kind of terrible at their jobs. Can they even bathe, or is that what the 30 minutes is for?
Of course, no one cares because prisoners are unpeople on Languish.
You have a moist vagina.
I might in a few hours, but I don't see how that's germane.
:lol:
Quote from: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
I might in a few hours, but I don't see how that's germane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cyWVPHoFGJA#t=18s
Sorry, obligatory....
Quote from: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 03:55:32 PM
All I'm sayng is, that if they're basically putting thousands of prisoners in near-solitary confinement, and denying them health services (?), that's really fucked up, and if this isn't even an issue that concerns them, they're kind of terrible at their jobs. Can they even bathe, or is that what the 30 minutes is for?
Of course, no one cares because prisoners are unpeople on Languish.
If this was in the United States, sounds like someone would have a great Section 1983 case.
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 28, 2013, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 28, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
I might in a few hours, but I don't see how that's germane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cyWVPHoFGJA#t=18s
Sorry, obligatory....
:)
They should jail the strikers and temporarily deputize the inmates to guard them. :mad:
Dont know this has been brought up, but why didnt the canuck govmint have a "No strike" clause in place.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 28, 2013, 03:44:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 28, 2013, 02:02:08 PM
I'm all for cutting Otto's salary.
We should set everyone's salary through on-line popularity contests. It would have the great advantage over the Stalinist-Leninist system of being democratic.
I'm for this. Any change in my salary would be an improvement.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 28, 2013, 07:24:51 PM
Dont know this has been brought up, but why didnt the canuck govmint have a "No strike" clause in place.
Because Canadians are weak pussies with no spine? I can't imagine a Canadian government standing up for anything aside from the right to bend backwards for people.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 28, 2013, 08:25:16 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 28, 2013, 07:24:51 PM
Dont know this has been brought up, but why didnt the canuck govmint have a "No strike" clause in place.
Because Canadians are weak pussies with no spine? I can't imagine a Canadian government standing up for anything aside from the right to bend backwards for people.
:rolleyes:
Again - it's as if I haven't been posting here for a dozen years or something.
This is Alberta. We've had uninteruppted right-wing rule since the Great Depression. Nobody is harder on unions than Alberta (at least in Canada).
The COs have a "no strike" clause. They (along with everyone, union or not) have the right to refuse unsafe work. And as such I supported their initial walk off the job. But now, as it has crossed into all these sympathy strikes (latest ones - probation officers - paging Strix!), it has gone well beyond refusing unsafe work, and is now well into the territory of "illegal wildcat strike".
Tomorrow should be interesting. I already had to email in a list of all prisoners I needed for court for Monday (for me the list was thankfully: nobody), with a report on witnesses / accuseds for the rest of the week due by noon on Monday.
So-So-Solidarité!
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See what happens when they are no unions to keep everyone in line?
:hmm:
Got back from the courthouse.
There is a largish "picket line" out front. Weather today is incredibly crappy though - it's snowing. The picketers were mostly just standing around in clumps and periodically going out for coffee.
When I got inside there were Edmonton police providing courtroom security. But there was a new twist - court clerks have also walked off the job (at least most of them, there were a few inside). Apparently the powers that be weren't expecting that. Courts were set to start at 9am, but it wasn't until 9:45 that even some of them were getting started. Seems as if they found some managers or whomever to take over the duties of the court clerk.
Message from government is that they will be happy to sit down and discuss issues - once people go back to work. Otherwise they will not negotiate as it might 'reward bad behaviour'.
Here's the latest news story for the curious:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2013/04/29/edmonton-sherriffs-guards-strike.html
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
See what happens when they are no unions to keep everyone in line?
They have unions for the garment workers. :secret:
Wait! Its snowing today in Edmonton?
:lmfao:
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
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See what happens when they are no unions to keep everyone in line?
The guys holding up the building went on strike?
Quote from: Maximus on April 29, 2013, 11:32:27 AM
The guys holding up the building went on strike?
:lol:
:lol:
We're going to need load-bearing scabs, STAT.
I got scabs.
Quote from: citizen k on April 29, 2013, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
See what happens when they are no unions to keep everyone in line?
They have unions for the garment workers. :secret:
I didn't mean them.
As Maximus points out, I mean the Holder crew.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
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See what happens when they are no unions to keep everyone in line?
Unionized work at its best:
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Actually. for the last one, the entire Stade Olympique deserves an award.
Engineers made those mistakes, except for the SO.
Quebec society at large is too blame for the SO.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 29, 2013, 12:09:28 PM
Engineers made those mistakes
Unionized engineers!!!111
I just got an email from our ADM thanking all of our unionized staff in the prosecutor's office for not going out on strike! :lol:
Quote from: citizen k on April 29, 2013, 11:27:43 AM
They have unions for the garment workers. :secret:
1. In Bangladesh, those unions are not very powerful.
2. The garment workers are not responsible for building standards.
Is the strike losing steam already?
Court clerks were back at work, no delays whatsoever in getting courtrooms running. Crowd outside of the courthouse is much reduced from yesterday (even though it finally stopped snowing).
Strike's over.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2013/04/30/edmonton-prison-guards-strike-day-5.html