http://news.yahoo.com/york-city-aims-ban-cigarette-sales-under-age-142530178--sector.html
QuoteNew York City took the first step on Monday in outlawing sales of cigarettes to anyone under age 21, in an effort to reduce smoking among the age group in which most smokers take up the habit.
The bill, which was introduced by the City Council and has the backing of Mayor Michael Bloomberg, would make New York City, which already has the highest cigarette taxes in the nation, the first big city or state to set the smoking age at 21. Currently, individuals must be 18 to buy cigarettes.
Eight in 10 adult smokers in the city started smoking regularly when they were below the age of 21, and most smokers who are under age 18 obtain cigarettes from individuals who are just a few years older than them, city officials said.
While an increase in cigarette taxes contributed to a 15-point drop among youth smokers from 1999 to 2007, the number of high-school-aged smokers has held steady at about 8.5 percent over the last six years.
Cigarette packs sold in New York City currently carry a state tax of $4.35 and a city tax of $1.50 - making it the most expensive city in the nation to be a smoker.
"Too many adult smokers begin this deadly habit before age 21," City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said. "By delaying our city's children and young adults access to lethal tobacco products, we're decreasing the likelihood they ever start smoking, and thus, creating a healthier city."
The bill marks the latest effort in the city's decade-long fight to discourage smoking, which the city's health commissioner, Thomas Farley, said was the most significant cause of preventable death in the city. In 2003, Bloomberg outlawed smoking in bars and restaurants, and smoking has since been banned in other public places, including parks.
Quinn, who is running to become the city's next mayor, made clear that she would continue Bloomberg's aggressive public health agenda - which has led his detractors to dub him the "nanny mayor."
MOST TOBACCO USE STARTS IN ADOLESCENCE
While most of the city's anti-smoking initiatives have originated with Bloomberg, the mayor did not join Quinn in making the announcement on Monday, instead sending Farley to say that the mayor looks forward to signing the bill into law.
Every U.S. state prohibits retailers from selling tobacco products to minors and in most states the smoking age is set at 18. Four states - Alabama, Alaska, New Jersey and Utah - require that a cigarette purchaser be at least 19 years old.
In New York, Nassau and Suffolk counties on Long Island have already boosted their legal age for buying cigarettes and other tobacco products to 19.
Nearly all tobacco use starts in childhood and adolescence, according to the 2012 report by the U.S. Surgeon General, which declared smoking a "pediatric epidemic" both in the United States and globally.
According to the report, 99 percent of all first use of tobacco occurs by age 26. The report also found that if youth and young adults manage to avoid smoking or other tobacco products, very few will begin smoking after that age.
Evidence suggests that once youth start smoking, many find it hard to quit. Of all adult cigarette smokers in the United States who smoke daily, 88 percent started smoking by age 18, according to the report.
Currently, about one out of four seniors in high school - youth aged 17 or 18 - smoke on a regular basis. Among those who continue smoking, half will die 13 years earlier than non-smoking peers.
It was not immediately clear how the tobacco industry would respond to the proposed legislation, which Quinn said she hoped would become a model for the rest of the country.
"Our companies follow the law whatever it is in any jurisdiction," said Jane Seccombe, spokeswoman for Reynolds American Inc, the parent company of R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co, American Snuff Co and Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Co. "We believe no minors, however they're classified in those jurisdictions, should be able to access tobacco products."
She declined to comment on any potential sales impact from changes in the minimum age.
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You know, I'm trying to get a Freedom Boner about this and be all irritated...but I just can't. It'd be easier if cigarette smoking were a victimless vice, but second hand smoke sux big time.
Well, this will make smoking cooler among 18 year olds.
Seems pretty obvious that the laws are going to gradually tighten up until cigarette smoking is illegal period.
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Seems pretty obvious that the laws are going to gradually tighten up until cigarette smoking is illegal period.
...and yet marijuana laws in the US are getting increasingly relaxed. :wacko:
It surprises me that sales to minors isnt regulated already.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 22, 2013, 04:31:29 PM
It surprises me that sales to minors isnt regulated already.
In most US states, you have to be 18 before you can legally buy cigarettes.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 22, 2013, 04:33:05 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 22, 2013, 04:31:29 PM
It surprises me that sales to minors isnt regulated already.
In most US states, you have to be 18 before you can legally buy cigarettes.
Ah, I see.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 22, 2013, 04:31:29 PM
It surprises me that sales to minors isnt regulated already.
Yeah a confusion that can come about if you don't read up to the 3rd sentence of an article. :P
No booze, no smokes. You guys just don't want anyone under 21 to have fun.
I remember it being 16 in Kentucky :lol:
Quote from: HVC on April 22, 2013, 04:46:50 PM
No booze, no smokes. You guys just don't want anyone under 21 to have fun.
If only the alcohol age being 21 kept kids from puking on my sidewalk and subway platforms. :(
Quote from: Caliga on April 22, 2013, 04:20:24 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Seems pretty obvious that the laws are going to gradually tighten up until cigarette smoking is illegal period.
...and yet marijuana laws in the US are getting increasingly relaxed. :wacko:
I don't see the hypocrisy in tightening overly lax laws and at the same time relaxing overly strict laws.
Quote from: garbon on April 22, 2013, 05:04:51 PM
I don't see the hypocrisy in tightening overly lax laws and at the same time relaxing overly strict laws.
The hypocrisy is, as Malthus pointed out, the drive to eventually make cigarettes illegal. People like Bloomberg and Quinn want overly strict laws on cigarettes. They probably do not support relaxing pot laws, either, though.
<_<
Poor kids today. It's difficult to smoke or drink :(
Quote from: garbon on April 22, 2013, 04:57:50 PM
Quote from: HVC on April 22, 2013, 04:46:50 PM
No booze, no smokes. You guys just don't want anyone under 21 to have fun.
If only the alcohol age being 21 kept kids from puking on my sidewalk and subway platforms. :(
forbidden fruit leads to excess. Places with a more realistic approach to drinking seem to have less issues. Except the ukers, the just really love to drink to excess. Seems almost cultural at this point. Probably thatchers fault somehow.
Oh, and Russia. But they're Russians. Practically bottle feed their babies vodka.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on April 22, 2013, 05:10:25 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 22, 2013, 05:04:51 PM
I don't see the hypocrisy in tightening overly lax laws and at the same time relaxing overly strict laws.
The hypocrisy is, as Malthus pointed out, the drive to eventually make cigarettes illegal. People like Bloomberg and Quinn want overly strict laws on cigarettes. They probably do not support relaxing pot laws, either, though.
That's not really hypocritical then. :hmm:
Besides, it isn't like places are saying you can smoke weed anywhere you feel like it, are they?
Also, smoking isn't the only way to consume weed - but probably the only way to consume a cigarette. :shutup:
Quote from: HVC on April 22, 2013, 05:14:39 PM
forbidden fruit leads to excess. Places with a more realistic approach to drinking seem to have less issues. Except the ukers, the just really love to drink to excess. Seems almost cultural at this point. Probably thatchers fault somehow.
Oh, and Russia. But they're Russians. Practically bottle feed their babies vodka.
:mad: (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-basic%2Fdrinks.gif&hash=cb181429fe0ce81df6792872187392cee86b5e96) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Quote from: DGuller on April 22, 2013, 05:24:13 PM
Quote from: HVC on April 22, 2013, 05:14:39 PM
forbidden fruit leads to excess. Places with a more realistic approach to drinking seem to have less issues. Except the ukers, the just really love to drink to excess. Seems almost cultural at this point. Probably thatchers fault somehow.
Oh, and Russia. But they're Russians. Practically bottle feed their babies vodka.
:mad: (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-basic%2Fdrinks.gif&hash=cb181429fe0ce81df6792872187392cee86b5e96) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
tell me I'm lying :D
Quote from: HVC on April 22, 2013, 05:33:06 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 22, 2013, 05:24:13 PM
Quote from: HVC on April 22, 2013, 05:14:39 PM
forbidden fruit leads to excess. Places with a more realistic approach to drinking seem to have less issues. Except the ukers, the just really love to drink to excess. Seems almost cultural at this point. Probably thatchers fault somehow.
Oh, and Russia. But they're Russians. Practically bottle feed their babies vodka.
:mad: (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-basic%2Fdrinks.gif&hash=cb181429fe0ce81df6792872187392cee86b5e96) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
tell me I'm lying :D
I personally didn't have a full serving of alcohol until I was 9 or so. :mad:
Quote from: fahdiz on April 22, 2013, 04:14:57 PM
You know, I'm trying to get a Freedom Boner about this and be all irritated...but I just can't. It'd be easier if cigarette smoking were a victimless vice, but second hand smoke sux big time.
Indeed, but it makes no sense to just restrict it for minors. It makes much more sense to treat it like the public health hazard it is and forbid it in public.
Quote from: Maximus on April 22, 2013, 08:39:04 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on April 22, 2013, 04:14:57 PM
You know, I'm trying to get a Freedom Boner about this and be all irritated...but I just can't. It'd be easier if cigarette smoking were a victimless vice, but second hand smoke sux big time.
Indeed, but it makes no sense to just restrict it for minors. It makes much more sense to treat it like the public health hazard it is and forbid it in public.
Well I think at this point, only the sidewalks are left in New York. Banned indoors where people work and in parks.
I'm for the State.
I say this as I smoke a cigarette. <_<
Quote from: Caliga on April 22, 2013, 04:20:24 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Seems pretty obvious that the laws are going to gradually tighten up until cigarette smoking is illegal period.
...and yet marijuana laws in the US are getting increasingly relaxed. :wacko:
I suspect eventually they will both end up in the same place, eventually - illegal to use in public; the cops will enforce what amounts to a fine if you are annoying someone with it.
Eventually, the state will find a way to tax and regulate sale of both, to the very edge of where taxing/regulating makes smuggling profitable and widespread.
Widespread public disapproval (and legal strictness) makes, and will increasingly make, smoking an unviable addiction. You can enjoy the occasional joint in your off-hours easily enough, but it's really hard to be a smoker like that - most need to smoke periodically all day, and this will become increasingly difficult to do and live a normal lifestyle.
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 08:11:52 AM
Widespread public disapproval (and legal strictness) makes, and will increasingly make, smoking an unviable addiction. You can enjoy the occasional joint in your off-hours easily enough, but it's really hard to be a smoker like that - most need to smoke periodically all day, and this will become increasingly difficult to do and live a normal lifestyle.
Oh yeah, you're the modern equivalent of a leper these days. It's already banned in so many public places here as it is. The Maryland Senate passed a bill this session banning smoking in your car with child passengers under the age of 8.
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Seems pretty obvious that the laws are going to gradually tighten up until cigarette smoking is illegal period.
they've been saying that for 30 years in Canada, you know. It still hasn't happenned.
Quote from: viper37 on April 23, 2013, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Seems pretty obvious that the laws are going to gradually tighten up until cigarette smoking is illegal period.
they've been saying that for 30 years in Canada, you know. It still hasn't happenned.
Well I can't speak for Canada but we certainly have seen increasingly tight regulations on smoking.
Quote from: viper37 on April 23, 2013, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Seems pretty obvious that the laws are going to gradually tighten up until cigarette smoking is illegal period.
they've been saying that for 30 years in Canada, you know. It still hasn't happenned.
Thirty years ago, you could smoke pretty well
everywhere, and people did. There were ashtrays in offce building elevators. There were smoking sections in restaurants.
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 10:14:10 AM
Quote from: viper37 on April 23, 2013, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Seems pretty obvious that the laws are going to gradually tighten up until cigarette smoking is illegal period.
they've been saying that for 30 years in Canada, you know. It still hasn't happenned.
Thirty years ago, you could smoke pretty well everywhere, and people did. There were ashtrays in offce building elevators. There were smoking sections in restaurants.
And planes!
Actually, it was pretty funny when I was at Denver airport in March and there was a restaurant with a smoking section. So many people got up and left in disgust because some of the smoke fumes drifted into the general restaurant (unlike in the past though, this smoking section was actually an enclosed room with separate entrance).
Most restaurants around me don't have smoking sections at all.... meaning you can smoke wherever you like. :)
I don't mind the secondhand smoke that much since my parents were chain smokers when I was a kid (both have finally quit smoking altogether... it took my dad suffering a collapsed lung to finally stop).
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 10:14:10 AM
Quote from: viper37 on April 23, 2013, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Seems pretty obvious that the laws are going to gradually tighten up until cigarette smoking is illegal period.
they've been saying that for 30 years in Canada, you know. It still hasn't happenned.
Thirty years ago, you could smoke pretty well everywhere, and people did. There were ashtrays in offce building elevators. There were smoking sections in restaurants.
but they had high taxes. It even reached a breaking point in the 90s, wich made many indians very rich.
First, the taxes, then the regulation.
Ok, one day, maybe it'll be forbidden (good fucking riddance). But it's still far away. Most smokers will die of cancer before they see the day their favourite annoying hobby is forbidden.
Quote from: viper37 on April 23, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 10:14:10 AM
Quote from: viper37 on April 23, 2013, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Seems pretty obvious that the laws are going to gradually tighten up until cigarette smoking is illegal period.
they've been saying that for 30 years in Canada, you know. It still hasn't happenned.
Thirty years ago, you could smoke pretty well everywhere, and people did. There were ashtrays in offce building elevators. There were smoking sections in restaurants.
but they had high taxes. It even reached a breaking point in the 90s, wich made many indians very rich.
First, the taxes, then the regulation.
Ok, one day, maybe it'll be forbidden (good fucking riddance). But it's still far away. Most smokers will die of cancer before they see the day their favourite annoying hobby is forbidden.
The taxes were a pure money grab - sin taxes are easy for politicians to approve. Though as was discovered, take it too far and with sovereign Indians conveniently living on the border ... ;)
The increasing restrictions is something else again - a more or less concerted effort to get rid of a habit widely seen as antisocial, in the face of some strong political resistance. A similar attempt re: guns is failing to take hold, south of the border.
Gradually, the anti-smoking types are winning, as popular consensus swings against smoking. The fewer smoke, the easier it will get to pass anti-smoking legislation, and the weaker the political resistance will be - and the less will the majority tolerate smoking.
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2013, 10:24:36 AM
I don't mind the secondhand smoke that much since my parents were chain smokers when I was a kid (both have finally quit smoking altogether... it took my dad suffering a collapsed lung to finally stop).
I mainly mind it in mornings...and I guess when I think about how it is increasing my chances of cancer. Despite restrictions here, I actually think I know more smokers in NYC then I knew in SF...which is also odd as I don't think I've had a cigarette here in New York.
Quote from: garbon on April 23, 2013, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 10:14:10 AM
Quote from: viper37 on April 23, 2013, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Seems pretty obvious that the laws are going to gradually tighten up until cigarette smoking is illegal period.
they've been saying that for 30 years in Canada, you know. It still hasn't happenned.
Thirty years ago, you could smoke pretty well everywhere, and people did. There were ashtrays in offce building elevators. There were smoking sections in restaurants.
And planes!
My mother remembers being able to smoke at the nurse's stations in hospitals.
As someone who has a lung disease likely caused by inhaling second hand smoke I am all for public restrictions on smoking and a ban on smoking around children.
I am also for a ban on smoking in public because whenever I go near someone smoking on the street it makes my lungs go nuts. But I can understand why this woudn't be a major factor for everyone.
Quote from: garbon on April 22, 2013, 08:48:34 PM
Well I think at this point, only the sidewalks are left in New York. Banned indoors where people work and in parks.
Sidewalks are still pretty public. You could argue they're the most public places of all.
It is quite common, and very reasonable, to restrict actions harmful to public health in public places.
Quote from: Maximus on April 23, 2013, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 22, 2013, 08:48:34 PM
Well I think at this point, only the sidewalks are left in New York. Banned indoors where people work and in parks.
Sidewalks are still pretty public. You could argue they're the most public places of all.
It is quite common, and very reasonable, to restrict actions harmful to public health in public places.
I mean, damn son, parks were only fairly recent. Change takes time if you don't want a backlash. ;)
Also the park thing changes a lot in New York as there are actually a lot of parks that one walks through as short cuts. At my old job, I had to walk around the park with a co-worker so she wouldn't get fined. :D
I'm so glad I quit smoking for an electronic cig two years ago. Guilt free, stink free nicotine addiction ftw
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2013, 10:24:36 AM
Most restaurants around me don't have smoking sections at all.... meaning you can smoke wherever you like. :)
What about the risk of explosion?
NYC is a couple hours' drive from like seven different states. That's got to blunt the effect of things like this. Not like if it were Denver.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 23, 2013, 03:17:53 PM
NYC is a couple hours' drive from like seven different states. That's got to blunt the effect of things like this. Not like if it were Denver.
I'm not sure how many teens in New York are going to be driving around to buy cigs.
Also, I don't know how you drive but from my experience, 2 hours can only get you to PA, NJ or CT. :P
Quote from: garbon on April 23, 2013, 03:26:53 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 23, 2013, 03:17:53 PM
NYC is a couple hours' drive from like seven different states. That's got to blunt the effect of things like this. Not like if it were Denver.
I'm not sure how many teens in New York are going to be driving around to buy cigs.
Also, I don't know how you drive but from my experience, 2 hours can only get you to PA, NJ or CT. :P
I got there from DE in just over two hours.
Quote from: derspiess on April 23, 2013, 03:38:41 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 23, 2013, 03:26:53 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 23, 2013, 03:17:53 PM
NYC is a couple hours' drive from like seven different states. That's got to blunt the effect of things like this. Not like if it were Denver.
I'm not sure how many teens in New York are going to be driving around to buy cigs.
Also, I don't know how you drive but from my experience, 2 hours can only get you to PA, NJ or CT. :P
I got there from DE in just over two hours.
Ah I forgot about that piece of Delaware snaking up. Alright point conceded. Though I think it is about as fair a comment as saying you won't get much more in tax if you increase taxes on cigs in the city because people can travel to buy them elsewhere. While I've been with smokers who bought cheaper cigs down in southern Jersey, those purchases don't account for most of their cigarette purchases.
If you're only 19 and you want some smokes you don't have a choice. Other than fake ID or something.
My point is that I don't think it is a likely choice. Especially for a city where many residents don't know how to drive / don't have a car.
Quote from: The Brain on April 23, 2013, 03:06:39 PM
What about the risk of explosion?
Happens all the time. Life down here is cheap. :)
To normalise fags with booze this sort of makes sense. Though the best way would be in lowering the alcohol age to 18 rather than raising the tobacco age to 21.
New York seems to be doing a lot of nanny state type stuff lately. :hmm:
Quote from: Tyr on April 23, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
New York seems to be doing a lot of nanny state type stuff lately. :hmm:
Well Bloomberg does need to make his last push.
I hate cigarette smokers with a passion, but this is pointles and will onely promote smuggling and organized crime.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 24, 2013, 05:18:19 AM
I hate cigarette smokers with a passion, but this is pointles and will onely promote smuggling and organized crime.
:lol:
You hate cigarette smokers so much, how the hell'd you wind up in Asia?
Someone though it'd be good to make sure people in Asia continue to use only broken English. ;)
Quote from: Tyr on April 23, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
To normalise fags with booze
Are you still going on about garbon making out with a chick? :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 24, 2013, 07:54:39 AM
Quote from: Tyr on April 23, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
To normalise fags with booze
Are you still going on about garbon making out with a chick? :hmm:
Some people are still going on about me having "pink" hair.
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 08:10:56 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 24, 2013, 07:54:39 AM
Quote from: Tyr on April 23, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
To normalise fags with booze
Are you still going on about garbon making out with a chick? :hmm:
Some people are still going on about me having "pink" hair.
if you're not constantly reminded of your mistakes you might repeat them :P
Quote from: HVC on April 24, 2013, 08:15:06 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 08:10:56 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 24, 2013, 07:54:39 AM
Quote from: Tyr on April 23, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
To normalise fags with booze
Are you still going on about garbon making out with a chick? :hmm:
Some people are still going on about me having "pink" hair.
if you're not constantly reminded of your mistakes you might repeat them :P
It's hard to repeat something you never did. ;)
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: HVC on April 24, 2013, 08:15:06 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 08:10:56 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 24, 2013, 07:54:39 AM
Quote from: Tyr on April 23, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
To normalise fags with booze
Are you still going on about garbon making out with a chick? :hmm:
Some people are still going on about me having "pink" hair.
if you're not constantly reminded of your mistakes you might repeat them :P
It's hard to repeat something you never did. ;)
denial does no one any good :D
Quote from: HVC on April 24, 2013, 08:24:01 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: HVC on April 24, 2013, 08:15:06 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 08:10:56 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 24, 2013, 07:54:39 AM
Quote from: Tyr on April 23, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
To normalise fags with booze
Are you still going on about garbon making out with a chick? :hmm:
Some people are still going on about me having "pink" hair.
if you're not constantly reminded of your mistakes you might repeat them :P
It's hard to repeat something you never did. ;)
denial does no one any good :D
Hey, I'll gladly own a whole spectrum of colors: Red, "natural red", blond, light brown, white, blue, green, orange, black and that one time it turned out lavender and I refused to leave the house till someone bought me new dye. Pink though? Never made the list.
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 09:20:42 AM
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Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: HVC on April 24, 2013, 08:15:06 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 08:10:56 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 24, 2013, 07:54:39 AM
Quote from: Tyr on April 23, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
To normalise fags with booze
Are you still going on about garbon making out with a chick? :hmm:
Some people are still going on about me having "pink" hair.
if you're not constantly reminded of your mistakes you might repeat them :P
It's hard to repeat something you never did. ;)
denial does no one any good :D
Hey, I'll gladly own a whole spectrum of colors: Red, "natural red", blond, light brown, white, blue, green, orange, black and that one time it turned out lavender and I refused to leave the house till someone bought me new dye. Pink though? Never made the list.
Call him "Greenilocks", not "Pinkilocks". :contract:
Of course, once it has become a Languish meme, might as well be pissing into the wind. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 09:34:15 AM
Call him "Greenilocks", not "Pinkilocks". :contract:
Of course, once it has become a Languish meme, might as well be pissing into the wind. :lol:
Can you push me around in your million dollar stroller?
Quote from: The Brain on April 23, 2013, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2013, 10:24:36 AM
Most restaurants around me don't have smoking sections at all.... meaning you can smoke wherever you like. :)
What about the risk of explosion?
:lol:
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 09:43:59 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 09:34:15 AM
Call him "Greenilocks", not "Pinkilocks". :contract:
Of course, once it has become a Languish meme, might as well be pissing into the wind. :lol:
Can you push me around in your million dollar stroller?
we need a better Malthus meme. "Haha you're rich" just doesn't cut it.
Quote from: HVC on April 24, 2013, 10:58:10 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 09:43:59 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 09:34:15 AM
Call him "Greenilocks", not "Pinkilocks". :contract:
Of course, once it has become a Languish meme, might as well be pissing into the wind. :lol:
Can you push me around in your million dollar stroller?
we need a better Malthus meme. "Haha you're rich" just doesn't cut it.
Come on, the muti million dollar stroller owned by the guy that always preaches modest spending is one of the best memes we have going.
Quote from: HVC on April 24, 2013, 10:58:10 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 09:43:59 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 09:34:15 AM
Call him "Greenilocks", not "Pinkilocks". :contract:
Of course, once it has become a Languish meme, might as well be pissing into the wind. :lol:
Can you push me around in your million dollar stroller?
we need a better Malthus meme. "Haha you're rich" just doesn't cut it.
It's a conspicuous consumption meme, not a 'you're rich' meme.
It used to be a "$2,000 Stroller" meme.
I'm a victim of rampant stroller inflation. :(
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 11:05:39 AM
It used to be a "$2,000 Stroller" meme.
I'm a victim of rampant stroller inflation. :(
As part of the 1% all your assets increased dramatically in value over the last 5 years.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 24, 2013, 10:54:18 AM
Quote from: The Brain on April 23, 2013, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2013, 10:24:36 AM
Most restaurants around me don't have smoking sections at all.... meaning you can smoke wherever you like. :)
What about the risk of explosion?
:lol:
I just got it. :lmfao:
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 11:05:39 AM
It used to be a "$2,000 Stroller" meme.
I'm a victim of rampant stroller inflation. :(
$2000 isn't what it used to be, now that it's 2013.
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 11:05:39 AM
It used to be a "$2,000 Stroller" meme.
I'm a victim of rampant stroller inflation. :(
Yep, 1 million dollars house man!
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 24, 2013, 11:30:21 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 11:05:39 AM
It used to be a "$2,000 Stroller" meme.
I'm a victim of rampant stroller inflation. :(
Yep, 1 million dollars house man!
thats like 2/3 of Toronto :lol:
We are all the 1%
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 24, 2013, 11:30:21 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 11:05:39 AM
It used to be a "$2,000 Stroller" meme.
I'm a victim of rampant stroller inflation. :(
Yep, 1 million dollars house man!
A/K/A "guy who owns a house in Toronto". :lol:
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 24, 2013, 11:30:21 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 11:05:39 AM
It used to be a "$2,000 Stroller" meme.
I'm a victim of rampant stroller inflation. :(
Yep, 1 million dollars house man!
On reflection, I would hate to see what you think of those of us who own property in Vancouver. A mere 1,000,000 doesnt go so far here. :P
And we did it.
http://news.yahoo.com/york-city-bans-sale-cigarettes-under-21s-222358961.html
QuoteNew York City voted Wednesday to ban the sale of cigarettes, e-cigarettes and tobacco to anyone under the age of 21, raising the previous threshold of 18.
Having pioneered years of stringent anti-smoking laws, the city of 8.5 million becomes the largest metropolis to raise the age limit for buying cigarettes so high.
The US federal age requirement for buying cigarettes is 18, which some states previously raised to 19 and in some, smaller communities to 21.
A spokeswoman for New York City council said the proposal was approved by 35 votes to 10.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who has to sign the resolution into law, immediately welcomed what he called a key step towards preventing young people from lighting up.
"Tobacco dependence can begin very soon after a young person first tries smoking so it's critical that we stop young people from smoking before they ever start.
"By increasing the smoking age to 21 we will help prevent another generation from the ill health and shorter life expectancy that comes with smoking."
His administration believes raising the legal age for buying cigarettes will reduce the number of smokers aged 18-20 by as much as 55 percent.
City hall says that from 2002 to 2011, the percentage of adults who smoke fell from 21.5 to 14.8 percent.
But while the number of public high school student smokers fell more than half between 2001 and 2011, the decline in youth smoking has stalled at 8.5 percent.
But the ban will be unpopular among those who feel that Bloomberg has over-stepped the line between protecting public health and interfering with personal choice.
In late 2012, he tried to ban super-sized sugary soft drinks on health grounds sparking angry complaints.
A judge blocked the measure in March, calling it arbitrary, although a final appeal is still pending.
Although New York City was exempt, a US judge this month ordered an end to a smoking ban imposed in public parks and beaches across New York state.
New York City in 2002 pioneered a ban on smoking in bars and restaurants that was initially criticized, but since has been adopted in cities across Europe and the West.
Since 2011, it has also been illegal to smoke on public beaches, parks and public swimming pools in New York City, and its cigarette taxes are the highest in the US.
Bloomberg, who steps down on January 1 after 12 years in office, highlighted health as part of his legacy in an interview with Forbes' November 18 issue magazine.
"You want to leave the world a better place for your kids. From a selfish point of view, you want people to think you've done a great job," he was quoted as saying.
"In this city 8.5 million people are living on average 2.5 years longer than they did 12 years ago. Imagine if it went the other direction!"
New York goes to the polls on Tuesday to elect Bloomberg's successor, with Democratic candidate Bill de Blasio enjoying an historic lead in opinion polls.
Quote from: garbon on April 22, 2013, 05:18:24 PM
Also, smoking isn't the only way to consume weed - but probably the only way to consume a cigarette. :shutup:
Not the only way to consume tobacco products, though. There's snuff and chewing tobacco.
Anyway, my position is that if you can vote at age 18, and alcohol and tobacco are legal, then they should be legal to purchase and use by anyone 18 and over.
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 07:32:27 AM
Someone though it'd be good to make sure people in Asia continue to use only broken English. ;)
:lol:
Omg
Quote from: garbon on October 30, 2013, 09:30:51 PM
And we did it.
Stupid. It should stay at 18 and the Drinking Age be lowered to match.
They're tired of Columbia and NYU being such party schools.
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2013, 04:47:55 PM
I remember it being 16 in Kentucky :lol:
Same as in Germany. Also, at age 16, you could buy beer and wine (but no hard liquor, had to wait till 18).
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 10:14:10 AM
Quote from: viper37 on April 23, 2013, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Seems pretty obvious that the laws are going to gradually tighten up until cigarette smoking is illegal period.
they've been saying that for 30 years in Canada, you know. It still hasn't happenned.
Thirty years ago, you could smoke pretty well everywhere, and people did. There were ashtrays in offce building elevators. There were smoking sections in restaurants.
I am so glad those days are gone! I can't imagine the stench from being in closed places all the time with the smoke. I think it wasn't so much noticed years ago when that kind of thing was going on but now I notice it if I'm somewhere that people are smoking, even just at a friend or relative's house where just one person is smoking. It seems like I have to fumigate my clothes afterwards as the stench is horrible.
That said, I don't like the demonization of smokers. Bad habit but if they want to smoke it's their choice. The second hand smoke I might encounter now is just a whiff of it in an open space and I don't worry about that. But I avoid places like restuarants and such where I can smell the smoke from a smoking section.
Kronn, You didn't smell it because you smelt of it all the time and everything you interacted with also did.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 31, 2013, 08:36:55 AM
Kronn, You didn't smell it because you smelt of it all the time and everything you interacted with also did.
Yeah, that's what I figured. The smell was so common that we/I hardly took notice of it.
Much like fat people smokers display a lack of discipline that is very offputting.
Somebody is gonna make money buying cigarrtes for the under 21s.
Quote from: Siege on October 31, 2013, 01:34:13 PM
Somebody is gonna make money buying cigarrtes for the under 21s.
Typical Jew. :rolleyes:
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2013, 04:47:55 PM
I remember it being 16 in Kentucky :lol:
I remember a time you could smoke in elementary school. Ah, the goold old days... No wait, it wasn't.
Quote from: viper37 on October 31, 2013, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2013, 04:47:55 PM
I remember it being 16 in Kentucky :lol:
I remember a time you could smoke in elementary school. Ah, the goold old days... No wait, it wasn't.
Dang, how old are you?