Senator Wicker (http://www.businessinsider.com/ricin-letter-roger-wicker-senator-poison-2013-4)
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REPORTS: Envelope Sent To US Senator Tests Positive For Deadly Poison
An envelope sent to an office of Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) tested positive for the deadly poison ricin, according to a report in Politico.
CNN reported that the envelope was intercepted at the U.S. Capitol's off-site mail facility in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday. It was tested three times for ricin and tested positive all three times.
A Wicker spokesman said that the investigation was "ongoing" and directed inquiries to Capitol police.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, ricin is a poison naturally found in castor beans. It gets inside the cells of a person's body, preventing the cells from making any proteins. It can come in the forms of a powder, a mist, or a pellet, or it can be dissolved in water or weak acid.
I don't know much about Senator Wicker myself. Maybe Skippy can tell us why someone would want him dead.
Meth competition.
Not this shit again. :bleeding:
It was probably one of Raz's Occupy buddies.
Quote from: derspiess on April 16, 2013, 06:50:52 PM
It was probably one of Raz's Occupy buddies.
Those guys can only afford Minute Ricin.
Well, Senator Wicker's from Mississippi, and Scips is trying to get into political office. Maybe he's trying to use Klingon promotion.
If so, he ought to set his sights a little lower than the US Senate to start out with. County dogcatcher, maybe?
Quote from: derspiess on April 16, 2013, 06:50:52 PM
It was probably one of Raz's Occupy buddies.
See if you can find the post where I endorsed the Occupy groups. Go ahead, see if you can.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 16, 2013, 06:57:19 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 16, 2013, 06:50:52 PM
It was probably one of Raz's Occupy buddies.
See if you can find the post where I endorsed the Occupy groups. Go ahead, see if you can.
:lol: How's it feel, homeslice?
DerGoosestep reverses the chokehold!
Sorry spicy, had to use that one.
Power Chair throws a can of soda in the ring from the expensive seats!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 16, 2013, 07:18:27 PM
Power Chair throws a can of soda in the ring from the expensive seats!
I am the NWO.
About an hour or two ago, they reported someone involved as saying the ricin test is extremely inaccurate, and that it was premature to say it was positive before retesting the envelope.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 16, 2013, 07:28:03 PM
About an hour or two ago, they reported someone involved as saying the ricin test is extremely inaccurate, and that it was premature to say it was positive before retesting the envelope.
For a fourth time?
Quote from: fahdiz on April 16, 2013, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 16, 2013, 07:28:03 PM
About an hour or two ago, they reported someone involved as saying the ricin test is extremely inaccurate, and that it was premature to say it was positive before retesting the envelope.
For a fourth time?
They've had false positives up to six times. Those ion sniffers can get all gunked up over time.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on April 16, 2013, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 16, 2013, 07:28:03 PM
About an hour or two ago, they reported someone involved as saying the ricin test is extremely inaccurate, and that it was premature to say it was positive before retesting the envelope.
For a fourth time?
They've had false positives up to six times. Those ion sniffers can get all gunked up over time.
Entrepreneurial idea: BUILD BETTER ION SNIFFERS
Quote from: fahdiz on April 16, 2013, 07:36:08 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on April 16, 2013, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 16, 2013, 07:28:03 PM
About an hour or two ago, they reported someone involved as saying the ricin test is extremely inaccurate, and that it was premature to say it was positive before retesting the envelope.
For a fourth time?
They've had false positives up to six times. Those ion sniffers can get all gunked up over time.
Entrepreneurial idea: BUILD BETTER ION SNIFFERS
Use prisoners to test the mail.
Quote from: derspiess on April 16, 2013, 07:00:05 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 16, 2013, 06:57:19 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 16, 2013, 06:50:52 PM
It was probably one of Raz's Occupy buddies.
See if you can find the post where I endorsed the Occupy groups. Go ahead, see if you can.
:lol: How's it feel, homeslice?
I feel fine.
Whatever happened to the Capitol ricin letters in 2001? :mellow:
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:41:53 PM
Whatever happened to the Capitol ricin letters in 2001? :mellow:
Anthrax ? :unsure:
Yeah? Them.
Never solved that I'm aware of.
Quote from: mongers on April 16, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:41:53 PM
Whatever happened to the Capitol ricin letters in 2001? :mellow:
Anthrax ? :unsure:
Yeah, ricin's the new flava of the moment since Breaking Bad.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 16, 2013, 07:47:35 PM
Never solved that I'm aware of.
They did. It was some guy who worked at a federal lab in DC. Bruce something or other. When the FBI was closing in on him he committed suicide.
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 07:52:03 PM
They did. It was some guy who worked at a federal lab in DC. Bruce something or other. When the FBI was closing in on him he committed suicide.
How odd. I'm completely blanking on that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins)
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 07:52:03 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 16, 2013, 07:47:35 PM
Never solved that I'm aware of.
They did. It was some guy who worked at a federal lab in DC. Bruce something or other. When the FBI was closing in on him he committed suicide.
Yeah, Ivins checked himself out once he heard the indictment was on its way. It was definitely him.
Hell of a case, though. Go look for the Frontline piece they did on him and the investigation. Veddy interestink.
Oh... maybe that's what the Brain meant when he mentioned rice paper?
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 07:52:03 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 16, 2013, 07:47:35 PM
Never solved that I'm aware of.
They did. It was some guy who worked at a federal lab in DC. Bruce something or other. When the FBI was closing in on him he committed suicide.
I thought that Congress was skeptical and launched another investigation that seemed to clear his name.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 16, 2013, 09:27:33 PM
I thought that Congress was skeptical and launched another investigation that seemed to clear his name.
The only governmental organization more stupid than the Famous But Incompetent. What could happen.
At least they're famous, that's more than you can say.
Oooh, burn. I'm rubber, you're glue.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 09:52:43 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 16, 2013, 09:27:33 PM
I thought that Congress was skeptical and launched another investigation that seemed to clear his name.
The only governmental organization more stupid than the Famous But Incompetent. What could happen.
Have to side with Seedy on this one, while never a LEO type just in my career with DoD and now ICE I can safely say the FBI has a professional reputation worse than the PG County Sheriff's department. There's a neighbor of mine I've chatted with some who has made references to his brother who is an FBI agent sort of in a, "Hey...guess what, my brother is an FBI Agent!" Not realizing that to anyone who knows anything about the FBI on a personal basis they're basically jokes.
They don't have any of the real police type experience of actual police officers and a lot of the cases they successfully "investigate" just involve really stupid people that do things basically begging to be caught. They've promoted a really great image for themselves with all the cop dramas but shows like
The Wire give a more accurate idea as to how effective the FBI is at actually investigating crimes. In fact most of the big FBI related cases were never really solved by the FBI. Take the Unabomber for example, he'd still be out there if his own brother hadn't turned him in.
I've heard the same thing from one my law enforcement professors. He said they come in, make local law enforcement do all the work then take the credit. However, I also know that people are very willing to see errors, incompetence, and stupidity in those they don't like or resent. I imagine there is a great deal of resentment when the feds come in and take charge, and it wouldn't be an unusual response for those officers to justify their resentment by magnifying the faults of the FBI and deeming them incompetent.
It's the mystique they fashion for themselves that has carried it all along this time. But if you've worked with them, interacted with them, you'd find that it's all smoke and mirrors.
Their counterintel people are pretty good, but hell, a lot of them they usually poach from other agencies. But your average Field Office ground pounding crime fighters? Morons, stiffs and bureaucrats. Their only saving grace as an agency is the massive technological and scientific resources backbone they're created for themselves, courtesy of the DOJ's annual budget.
It's a dysfunctional organization with a dysfunctional organizational culture, and it's a culture they've created and and continue to perpetuate, insular and incestuous. They've set themselves off to the side and above everybody else, and the same morons, stiffs and bureaucrats running the agency keep posting the same "Only Morons, Stiffs and Bureaucrats Need Apply" sign at the academy.
The Feds I've known and dealt with, I'd take DEA, USSS or ATF in a fucking heartbeat over the FBI. But I'd take a beat cop that knows his shit on the street over all of them in a second.
They have badges and guns, they have the training, they have all the bells and whistles, they attend the seminars. But they're not really cops.
Are you saying that X-Files was an inaccurate representation of how the FBI works?
My Blue Heaven is probably the most accurate.
"I hope I get a chance to work undercover sometime."
"Not a chance. That would require overtime."
Maybe Seedy's right, maybe he's not. I'm just making an observation based on psychology. People downplay their own faults while at the same time magnify the faults of others. Maybe the Baltimore police are just fantastic at their jobs and everyone else pales in comparison. Maybe the FBI's office in Maryland was just shit. Maybe CdM is resentful of people who make more money then he does. I don't know.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 17, 2013, 07:44:17 AM
Maybe the Baltimore police are just fantastic at their jobs and everyone else pales in comparison.
Hmmm, no.
I'll take "Incompetent Police Departments" for $400, Alex.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 17, 2013, 07:44:17 AM
Maybe CdM is resentful of people who make more money then he does.
That'd be...no, I won't go there. -_-
I love the FBI security clearance interviews. Especially when they come around to ask about my neighbors.
Just noticed Seedy's Axis of Evil Sports fans.
:lol:
Quote from: Razgovory on April 17, 2013, 07:44:17 AM
Maybe Seedy's right, maybe he's not. I'm just making an observation based on psychology. People downplay their own faults while at the same time magnify the faults of others. Maybe the Baltimore police are just fantastic at their jobs and everyone else pales in comparison. Maybe the FBI's office in Maryland was just shit. Maybe CdM is resentful of people who make more money then he does. I don't know.
Some of what you're saying is based on TV-based knowledge though. In the real world the FBI doesn't show up at a crime scene and say, "we're taking over this crime scene!" When there is clear Federal jurisdiction local police rarely want to create extra work for themselves by working a case that should be Federal, and for cases where local and FBI work together it's generally the case that about the only utility the FBI will provide is their information assets.
The FBI is great at collecting and storing a lot of information, and half-decent at analyzing it, but they aren't really good at anything else to do with police work. Their mission only sort of brushes up against police work anyway, it's more of a pop culture myth that these FBI guys are out there pounding the streets solving whodunnits on a regular basis. Most actual police solve crimes because they know the neighborhood they work in and that makes it very obvious who has committed certain crimes and where to look, and/or basic interviewing. For other cases where there is no one knowledgeable about what happened to talk with, the police don't know anything about the victims or potential perpetrators, the truth is the case rarely gets solved. Maybe if there is really obvious physical evidence, but TV shows exaggerate how easy it is to solve a crime with no collectible human-provided information and only trace physical evidence at the scene.
A case like the Boston Marathon bomber, if it gets solved, will most likely be because the criminal fucks up massively or someone turns him in.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 17, 2013, 08:25:00 AM
Some of what you're saying is based on TV-based knowledge though. In the real world the FBI doesn't show up at a crime scene and say, "we're taking over this crime scene!" When there is clear Federal jurisdiction local police rarely want to create extra work for themselves by working a case that should be Federal, and for cases where local and FBI work together it's generally the case that about the only utility the FBI will provide is their information assets.
Actually that's what I found odd about your statement that TV makes them seem cool. The FBI generally seems like jackasses who steal cases from our hero cops in tv dramas.
Quote from: garbon on April 17, 2013, 08:27:57 AM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 17, 2013, 08:25:00 AM
Some of what you're saying is based on TV-based knowledge though. In the real world the FBI doesn't show up at a crime scene and say, "we're taking over this crime scene!" When there is clear Federal jurisdiction local police rarely want to create extra work for themselves by working a case that should be Federal, and for cases where local and FBI work together it's generally the case that about the only utility the FBI will provide is their information assets.
Actually that's what I found odd about your statement that TV makes them seem cool. The FBI generally seems like jackasses who steal cases from our hero cops in tv dramas.
Well it depends on the show garbon. Shows where local PD are the focus (NYPD Blue, L&O, CSI) the FBI gets blasted. Where the FBI are the stars, they're made to look like rock stars (Bones, Criminal Minds, Without a Trace etc.) I'm not saying the jackass stereotype isn't there, just that there's also a lot of movies and TV shows that make the FBI out to be rockstar hardcore po-lice who are halfway to solving a crime with no witnesses based on a five minute sniff of the crime scene.
I think the closest example about the difference between the FBI and traditional law enforcement agencies is like the difference between medical researchers and practicing physicians.
Medical researchers--the high end ones--have all the academic pedigrees imaginable in medicine; the medical school training, the specialized PhDs, hands-on experience with all the nifty, most expensive tools imaginable to play with, a complete wealth of book knowledge on the subject, and they have the exact same acronyms on their name badges...but they wouldn't know the first thing about what to do in an inner-city emergency room on a Saturday night in late August.
Wicker is your basic, boring, useless GOP senator. He's also quite dumb, unlike Sen. Cochran.
Now there are letters at the White House and one congressman's office too.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 08:47:59 AM
I think the closest example about the difference between the FBI and traditional law enforcement agencies is like the difference between medical researchers and practicing physicians.
Medical researchers--the high end ones--have all the academic pedigrees imaginable in medicine; the medical school training, the specialized PhDs, hands-on experience with all the nifty, most expensive tools imaginable to play with, a complete wealth of book knowledge on the subject, and they have the exact same acronyms on their name badges...but they wouldn't know the first thing about what to do in an inner-city emergency room on a Saturday night in late August.
Which is why I appreciate that our national policing agency also does front-line policing.
So anyone who is doing that kind of high-end investigative work that the FBI does got their start dealing with drunks on Saturday night.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 17, 2013, 07:44:17 AM
Maybe CdM is resentful of people who make more money then he does.
I don't know what CdM made as a Baltimore cop, or what FBI agents make, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if some local cops don't make as much as a newly-minted FBI agent.
There has been an arrest
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/17/17794663-feds-arrest-suspect-in-ricin-positive-letters-sent-to-obama-senator?lite
Quote from: dps on April 17, 2013, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 17, 2013, 07:44:17 AM
Maybe CdM is resentful of people who make more money then he does.
I don't know what CdM made as a Baltimore cop, or what FBI agents make, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if some local cops don't make as much as a newly-minted FBI agent.
I suspect that Federal agents get payed more then municipal employees in Baltimore.
FYI
Newly assigned Special Agents are paid as GS-10, step 1 ($43,441) plus locality pay and availability pay. Locality pay (which ranges from 12.5% to 28.7% of base salary depending upon office assignment) is additional compensation to account for differences in the labor market between different areas. Availability pay is a 25% increase in adjusted salary (base salary + locality pay) for all Special Agents due to their requirement to average a 50-hour work week over the course of the year. Thus, with the locality and availability pay adjustments, new Special Agents in their first Field Offices earn between $61,100 and $69,900, depending upon the region of the country to which they are assigned.
New Special Agents assigned to certain designated high-cost offices (New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Washington D.C., Boston and Newark) may also be paid a one-time relocation bonus of approximately $22,000 to help offset higher real estate and living costs. In order to qualify for the relocation bonus, new Special Agents must be assigned to one of the designated high-cost offices and they must be moving from a lower cost area to a different geographical area with a higher cost of living.
Seattle PD
Recruit Salary:
Recruits entering the Police Academy begin earning benefits
within 30 days of hire.
Recruits earn $25.98 hr while attending the Academy.
Sworn Police Salary Scale:
STEP 1
(Sworn Officer)
$30.80 $5,359.20 $64,310.40
STEP 2
(6 Months)
$33.02 $5,745.48 $68,945.76
STEP 3
(18 Months)
$34.52 $6,006.48 $72,077.76
STEP 4
(30 Months)
$35.86 $6,239.64 $74,875.68
STEP 5
(42 Months)
$37.64 $6,549.36 $78,592.32
STEP 6
(54 Months)
$40.33 $7,017.42 $84,209.04
Lateral Police Salary Scale:
Pay for Lateral Officers range between STEP 3 and 5,
depending on experience. Overtime and compensatory time
is paid at time and 1/2, with a 3-hour minimum for court
and off-duty call outs.
STEP 3
(24-41 Mos Experience)
$34.52 $6,006.48 $72,077.76
STEP 4
(42-53 Mos Experience)
$35.86 $6,239.64 $74,875.68
STEP 5
(54+ Mos Experience)
$37.64 $6,549.36 $78,592.32
That's great, but we aren't talking about Seattle. C'mon, you need to get with the program here.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 17, 2013, 10:10:41 PM
That's great, but we aren't talking about Seattle. C'mon, you need to get with the program here.
No, it's for comparison only, with the FBI
QuoteBaltimore police officer trainees earn $41,290 per year. Upon completion of the police academy, their salary goes up to $42,290 per year (before overtime). Applicants who have a four-year college degree can apply to the Educational Incentive Program, which results in a higher salary. Raises are also based on years of service.
A variety of specialties are available for motivated officers. After three years of basic service, officers are eligible to apply for promotions and become supervisors. Baltimore police officers enjoy working in a challenging but rewarding environment, and have many opportunities to grow in their career.
:lol: I think I started at $27K in 1993.
And when the FOP tried to get us raises, the City offered two more paid holidays instead. Let's hear it for Flag Day. :bleeding:
There's a pretty big gap between 61,000 and 41,000.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 17, 2013, 10:30:19 PM
There's a pretty big gap between 61,000 and 41,000.
OTOH, $64 grand beast $61 grand, though not by much. But I said I wouldn't be surprised if some local cops don't make as much as a rookie FBI agent, not that all of them do.
Apparently, they arrested ... an Elvis impersonator. :hmm:
http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130417/NEWS/130417027/Who-Paul-Kevin-Curtis-?nclick_check=1
Quote from: Malthus on April 18, 2013, 10:25:50 AM
Apparently, they arrested ... an Elvis impersonator. :hmm:
http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130417/NEWS/130417027/Who-Paul-Kevin-Curtis-?nclick_check=1
Oh, his Hank Jr. impersonation is even better :lol:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcmsimg.clarionledger.com%2Fapps%2Fpbcsi.dll%2Fbilde%3FSite%3DD0%26amp%3BDate%3D20130417%26amp%3BCategory%3DNEWS%26amp%3BArtNo%3D130417027%26amp%3BRef%3DAR%26amp%3BMaxW%3D300%26amp%3BBorder%3D0%26amp%3BWho-Paul-Kevin-Curtis-&hash=a2360f6210a8bb7990d4d3c89ef00581093d1053)
So, can we ship all Elvis and/or Hank Jr. impersonaters off to Gitmo now? :)
Looks like his only crime is bad impersonation. He was released today & apparently is no longer a suspect. Sounds like he may have been framed.
http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-ricin-suspect-released-jail-171027275.html
Quote from: derspiess on April 23, 2013, 01:39:17 PM
Looks like his only crime is bad impersonation. He was released today & apparently is no longer a suspect. Sounds like he may have been framed.
http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-ricin-suspect-released-jail-171027275.html
So we
can't ship all impersonators off to Gitmo? :(
Can we do it anyway?
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 23, 2013, 01:39:17 PM
Looks like his only crime is bad impersonation. He was released today & apparently is no longer a suspect. Sounds like he may have been framed.
http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-ricin-suspect-released-jail-171027275.html
So we can't ship all impersonators off to Gitmo? :(
Can we do it anyway?
I suppose we could if we learned to plant evidence.
LOL, this guy is a total wackjob. It's amazing that he was actually framed like he claims.! :lol: