Ok, so what's up with so many Porkchops on various online forums (especially history or game oriented) referring to historical monarchs of Portugal as "Dom XYZ"?
Is this some sort of weird affectation from a bunch of nationalists or does this have a deeper meaning? I mean where people refer to Elizabeth I, they are not writing it as "HRH Elizabeth" and even Catholics do not refer to historical Popes as, eg. His Holiness Alexander VI.
Dom XYZ? What are you talking about?
It's a BDSM thing.
Since when does a a gay Polish lawyer have the moral high ground to use the term "porkchop"?
I'm guessing that "Dom" is the Portuguese version of the Spanish "Don". If so it's likely similar to English "Sir", "Lord" or "Mister".
Quote from: Razgovory on April 13, 2013, 10:35:34 AM
I'm guessing that "Dom" is the Portuguese version of the Spanish "Don". If so it's likely similar to English "Sir", "Lord" or "Mister".
Razgovory guesses correctly. It came from the latin DOMINVS. It's basically a title for nobles only, unlike the feminine " Dona".
PS: it's not only porkchop, some religious orders use it as well cf. Dom Pérignon ;)
Three years of Latin pay off! :punk:
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Jesus you guys are morons. I realize what it means. I just wonder why Portuguese drop it in front of names of historical monarchs in casual conversations.
English speakers use the convention as well, e.g. Sir Walter Raleigh.
Quote from: Martinus on April 13, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Jesus you guys are morons. I realize what it means. I just wonder why Portuguese drop it in front of names of historical monarchs in casual conversations.
Is it any different than Queen Elizabeth or Kaiser Wilhelm?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 13, 2013, 12:02:05 PM
Is it any different than Queen Elizabeth or Kaiser Wilhelm?
Nope, if somewhat vaguer.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 13, 2013, 12:02:05 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 13, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Jesus you guys are morons. I realize what it means. I just wonder why Portuguese drop it in front of names of historical monarchs in casual conversations.
Is it any different than Queen Elizabeth or Kaiser Wilhelm?
Well, I wouldn't say "Krol Casimir" or "Krolowa Jadwiga" when speaking in English.
Has any Portuguese ever spoken in English?
Quote from: Martinus on April 13, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Jesus you guys are morons. I realize what it means. I just wonder why Portuguese drop it in front of names of historical monarchs in casual conversations.
Whatevs, Pan Marcin.
Quote from: Martinus on April 13, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Jesus you guys are morons. I realize what it means. I just wonder why Portuguese drop it in front of names of historical monarchs in casual conversations.
You mean like the English, "Mr."?
Quote from: Martinus on April 13, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Jesus you guys are morons. I realize what it means. I just wonder why Portuguese drop it in front of names of historical monarchs in casual conversations.
BECAUSE IT REMAINS IN CURRENT USE.
"Dom" is indeed the abbreviation of 'Dominvus', and is shortened in writing to 'D.' (as in 'Dom Fernando' is written 'D. Fernando').
It means that, unlike the name 'senhor' (which means 'senior', or 'lord of the household', not necessarily a noble and used for any adult male), its holder is/was indeed a title-holder of power and influence.
It is not restricted to nobles; the clergy also uses it, from Bishop and above. The current Cardinal-Patricarch of Lisbon, D. José Policarpo, is an example. Here is how he is referred to:
http://www.agencia.ecclesia.pt/cgi-bin/noticia.pl?id=94702 (http://www.agencia.ecclesia.pt/cgi-bin/noticia.pl?id=94702)
D. José Policarpo projeta novo pontificadoAlso, you *have* to use the "Dom" when addressing these title-holders. Not doing so denotes extreme lack of respect, as you are lowering them to the rank of a commoner. To the point that you *would* be asked to leave the premises.
Quote from: Martim Silva on April 13, 2013, 06:46:19 PM
BECAUSE IT REMAINS IN CURRENT USE.
From Mart's most recent post his critique stems from the fact that it doesn't really have a purpose in a conversation in English. Doesn't generally suggest anything that you've listed below.