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Title: Mass Effect
Post by: Queequeg on May 21, 2009, 06:53:36 PM
Just played through it.

I have some conflicting emotions.

The plot is almost identical to KOTOR (brilliant special agent with super powers finds ancient evil weapon/ship, goes berserk, tries to conquer galaxy, protagonist must find ancient artifacts to find location of said evil ship, the Geth are really similar to the bots in KOTOR even), seemed a bit Halo-y at times, there isn't nearly as much humor as in previous titles, some of the graphics are meh, the combat can be weird, the sniper rifle is useless in real combat, the male Shepherd's voice is bad etc...

But on the other hand I feel like some of the characters are pretty well developed and as believable as you get in Sci-Fi (Ashley and Wrex in particular), I liked some of the species (Krogan, Turian, Volus, why the hell wasn't there a Volus NPC?), and overall I think the universe showed some promise, and the experience was good enough for me to start a female sorcerer (or whatever it is called) right after finishing it as a mixed tech specialist/fighter.

That said, it felt like a real step back after Jade Empire, which I think was their strongest title since BGII. 

Thoughts?  Opinions?

Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Neil on May 21, 2009, 06:57:09 PM
Nobody bought Jade Empire.  Mass Effect made money.

The sequel is going to be actiony-er.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 07:01:59 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 21, 2009, 06:57:09 PM
Nobody bought Jade Empire.

:mad:

What made Jade Empire OSSUM instead of merely good was playing it through as evil (or closed fist or whatever gay moral relativist term they used instead) and getting the ultra-evil ending.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Valmy on May 21, 2009, 07:09:52 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on May 21, 2009, 06:53:36 PM
Just played through it.

I have some conflicting emotions.

The plot is almost identical to KOTOR (brilliant special agent with super powers finds ancient evil weapon/ship, goes berserk, tries to conquer galaxy, protagonist must find ancient artifacts to find location of said evil ship, the Geth are really similar to the bots in KOTOR even), seemed a bit Halo-y at times, there isn't nearly as much humor as in previous titles, some of the graphics are meh, the combat can be weird, the sniper rifle is useless in real combat, the male Shepherd's voice is bad etc...

But on the other hand I feel like some of the characters are pretty well developed and as believable as you get in Sci-Fi (Ashley and Wrex in particular), I liked some of the species (Krogan, Turian, Volus, why the hell wasn't there a Volus NPC?), and overall I think the universe showed some promise, and the experience was good enough for me to start a female sorcerer (or whatever it is called) right after finishing it as a mixed tech specialist/fighter.

That said, it felt like a real step back after Jade Empire, which I think was their strongest title since BGII. 

Thoughts?  Opinions?

I certainly see your points.  I felt like you really had to stretch to think it was similar to KOTOR (actually you had to get really general...like dude there were robots and like a bad guy and stuff).  But I loved it and look forward to the sequel.

It was good for the main reason Bioware games are good: the characters and the plot.  I loved the politics and the "science" made at least enough sense for me to suspend my disbelief.  The plot twists and surprises were very different than the previous games which was nice.

I enjoyed the combat for what it was.

Jade Empire was the game that killed X-Box mk. 2 and I was so tired of that horrible game console I never bought another.  So I never played JE but given its terrible sales not many other people did either.

I have to admit I am pretty speechless you did not like the graphics which I thought were beyond amazing but then I very rarely play games known for their graphics.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 07:25:19 PM
Also, I liked the part where you got to bang the blue chick.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Neil on May 21, 2009, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 07:25:19 PM
Also, I liked the part where you got to bang the blue chick.
Meh.  I loved Ashley the gunbunny.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: grumbler on May 21, 2009, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 21, 2009, 07:09:52 PM
I certainly see your points.  I felt like you really had to stretch to think it was similar to KOTOR (actually you had to get really general...like dude there were robots and like a bad guy and stuff).  But I loved it and look forward to the sequel.

It was good for the main reason Bioware games are good: the characters and the plot.  I loved the politics and the "science" made at least enough sense for me to suspend my disbelief.  The plot twists and surprises were very different than the previous games which was nice.

I enjoyed the combat for what it was.
Wot he said.  The side quests were less than memorable, but that was okay.  I had no desire to replay the game, but think it was worth the money for just the one run-through with little attention spent on side quests.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Scipio on May 21, 2009, 08:00:44 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 21, 2009, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 21, 2009, 07:09:52 PM
I certainly see your points.  I felt like you really had to stretch to think it was similar to KOTOR (actually you had to get really general...like dude there were robots and like a bad guy and stuff).  But I loved it and look forward to the sequel.

It was good for the main reason Bioware games are good: the characters and the plot.  I loved the politics and the "science" made at least enough sense for me to suspend my disbelief.  The plot twists and surprises were very different than the previous games which was nice.

I enjoyed the combat for what it was.
Wot he said.  The side quests were less than memorable, but that was okay.  I had no desire to replay the game, but think it was worth the money for just the one run-through with little attention spent on side quests.
I bought it for $40, and I spent about 30 hours on the first run through.  I've played it through three or four times (lost count).  It's a good value.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Grey Fox on May 21, 2009, 08:10:42 PM
I can't buy this nor JE. I have enough games started & not finish already.

Must. Resist.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Queequeg on May 21, 2009, 09:04:42 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 21, 2009, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 07:25:19 PM
Also, I liked the part where you got to bang the blue chick.
Meh.  I loved Ashley the gunbunny.
Same.  Very well developed.  Ended up with a weird kind of semi-crush on her.  One of the geekiest things that has ever happened to me.   :blush:
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Barrister on May 21, 2009, 10:12:33 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 21, 2009, 06:57:09 PM
Nobody bought Jade Empire.

I bought Jade Empire.

The Mac version.   :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: katmai on May 21, 2009, 10:14:31 PM
I've thought about buying Jade empire.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Valmy on May 21, 2009, 10:17:51 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on May 21, 2009, 09:04:42 PM
Same.  Very well developed.  Ended up with a weird kind of semi-crush on her.  One of the geekiest things that has ever happened to me.   :blush:

Hey she had spirit I can see that.

But wait weren't you the guy with the thing for Imoen?
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Neil on May 21, 2009, 10:20:10 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 21, 2009, 10:17:51 PM
But wait weren't you the guy with the thing for Imoen?
I liked Imoen.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Slargos on May 21, 2009, 10:29:21 PM
You're not actually supposed to use the sniper rifle in "actual combat".

My first run through I did the sniper rifle / pistol combo and while close combat was a bit challenging until I got the second to last pistol, 90% of the time it's just a matter of waiting for the rifle to cool off between shots since the enemy can't effectively return fire.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: garbon on May 21, 2009, 11:03:14 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 07:01:59 PM
:mad:

What made Jade Empire OSSUM instead of merely good was playing it through as evil (or closed fist or whatever gay moral relativist term they used instead) and getting the ultra-evil ending.

If you insist on using OSSUM please use ghey as well. Otherwise, the bear community is going to have to boot you. :angry:
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Queequeg on May 21, 2009, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 21, 2009, 10:17:51 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on May 21, 2009, 09:04:42 PM
Same.  Very well developed.  Ended up with a weird kind of semi-crush on her.  One of the geekiest things that has ever happened to me.   :blush:
But wait weren't you the guy with the thing for Imoen?
Pretended to fawn over the idea of Imoen getting saphic with a Dark Elf in the awful novelization of Baldur's Gate.  Got me a negative Hamilcar point. 

And I liked Jaheira and Bastila (in KOTOR, great voicework) more than Imoen.  Imoen was my little sister. That's perverse.   :mad:
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Queequeg on May 21, 2009, 11:48:47 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 21, 2009, 10:14:31 PM
I've thought about buying Jade empire.
It's seriously pretty cool.  Great plot, great atmosphere, well developed characters.  Pretty unique experience too, I loved how far they took the Chinese setting, with huge Fox Deamons and whatnot. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Queequeg on May 21, 2009, 11:52:58 PM
Also, I will never, ever forgive BioWare if Seth Green comes back in Mass Effect 2.   :bleeding:
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Syt on May 21, 2009, 11:59:24 PM
There's a second teaser for ME2:
http://masseffect.bioware.com/teaser/index.html

Looking forward to this one. ME1 was a very fun game. Too bad most of the side missions on other planets were boring and repetitive.

I liked the presentation a lot, esp. the dialogue and how you could set the tone you wanted.

Also waiting for Dragon Age Origins (http://dragonage.bioware.com/agegate.html?ref=/).

I wanted to like Jade Empire but found combat too twitchy for my tastes.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Neil on May 22, 2009, 07:13:33 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 21, 2009, 10:29:21 PM
You're not actually supposed to use the sniper rifle in "actual combat".

My first run through I did the sniper rifle / pistol combo and while close combat was a bit challenging until I got the second to last pistol, 90% of the time it's just a matter of waiting for the rifle to cool off between shots since the enemy can't effectively return fire.
The one thing that annoyed me about the sniper rifle was that there wasn't an enemy that you could effectively one-shot until you got the explosive ammo.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Valmy on May 22, 2009, 08:22:51 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 21, 2009, 11:59:24 PM
There's a second teaser for ME2:
http://masseffect.bioware.com/teaser/index.html

Looking forward to this one. ME1 was a very fun game. Too bad most of the side missions on other planets were boring and repetitive.

I liked the presentation a lot, esp. the dialogue and how you could set the tone you wanted.

Oh.  My.  God.  I want that game so very very very much.

QuoteAlso waiting for Dragon Age Origins (http://dragonage.bioware.com/agegate.html?ref=/).

I wanted to like Jade Empire but found combat too twitchy for my tastes.

Dragon Age is going to be incredible I am super pumped for it as well.  Is this a new golden age for Bioware?
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Caliga on May 22, 2009, 08:26:42 AM
I predict Dragon Age will either be OSSUM or totally GHEY (happy, garbo?  :) )

ME2 will almost certainly be solid.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Valmy on May 22, 2009, 08:29:00 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 22, 2009, 08:26:42 AM
I predict Dragon Age will either be OSSUM or totally GHEY (happy, garbo?  :) )

I have total and complete confidence in Dragon Age.  Anybody who attempts to poke holes in my absolute faith will be burned for heresy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Syt on May 22, 2009, 11:28:36 AM
I have to say I hate one thing about ME on the PC, though - I have to manually set the Anti-Aliasing in the nVidia tools for the app, because the game doesn't have a setting for this.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Winkelried on May 25, 2009, 04:42:19 PM
I hope this wont derail the thread (too much) but did anybody have problems with SecuROM?
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Queequeg on May 25, 2009, 05:08:41 PM
Quote from: Winkelried on May 25, 2009, 04:42:19 PM
I hope this wont derail the thread (too much) but did anybody have problems with SecuROM?
I just used Steam. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: pimpicus on May 26, 2009, 01:33:11 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on May 21, 2009, 06:53:36 PM
I think the universe showed some promise

I completely agree. They had other mythologies to draw from with KOTOR and Jade Empire. Creating a whole new mythos and filling it in to the level they did was great, I got so lost reading those encyclopedia entries. I hope they explore the Salarian/Krogan conflict more, and the Quarians.

Quote
Nobody bought Jade Empire

I did. It's sitting next to my copy of Psychonaughts and Beyond Good and Evil.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Korea on May 27, 2009, 12:21:40 AM
I am definitely not a fan. I thought the graphics were beautiful. I really like the conversation method and the AI had some awesome personalities. The story was great and the universe was really immersive but I had some problems that made the game unfinishable for me.

Controlling the AI really pissed me off somethimes because they would be beyond retarded. I hated the combat but that's not really the games fault because I suck at FPS games. The planet/side quest were really boring and repetitive. And driving that stupid car/tank thing was ridiculous.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Korea on May 27, 2009, 12:22:11 AM
Quote from: pimpicus on May 26, 2009, 01:33:11 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on May 21, 2009, 06:53:36 PM
I think the universe showed some promise

I completely agree. They had other mythologies to draw from with KOTOR and Jade Empire. Creating a whole new mythos and filling it in to the level they did was great, I got so lost reading those encyclopedia entries. I hope they explore the Salarian/Krogan conflict more, and the Quarians.

Quote
Nobody bought Jade Empire

I did. It's sitting next to my copy of Psychonaughts and Beyond Good and Evil.

But you haven't played KOTOR have you?  It's amazing. Best Bioware game EVAH!
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Korea on May 27, 2009, 12:22:55 AM
Also, Jade Empire was an almost perfect game. I want a sequel!
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 07:49:52 AM
Quote from: Korea on May 27, 2009, 12:21:40 AM
I am definitely not a fan. I thought the graphics were beautiful. I really like the conversation method and the AI had some awesome personalities. The story was great and the universe was really immersive but I had some problems that made the game unfinishable for me.

Controlling the AI really pissed me off somethimes because they would be beyond retarded. I hated the combat but that's not really the games fault because I suck at FPS games. The planet/side quest were really boring and repetitive. And driving that stupid car/tank thing was ridiculous.

I understand most of your criticisms, but I thought driving the rover was fun as hell. :blink:
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Valmy on May 27, 2009, 08:01:00 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 07:49:52 AM
I understand most of your criticisms, but I thought driving the rover was fun as hell. :blink:

The thing was hilarious I could never get it to land on anything but its wheels no matter how I got to spin and twist around.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 08:02:12 AM
The best was driving it when there were small humanoid-sized hostiles around and killing them all by running them over.  They'd usually go FLYING when you hit them.  :lol:
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: grumbler on May 27, 2009, 08:04:29 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 07:49:52 AM
I understand most of your criticisms, but I thought driving the rover was fun as hell. :blink:
Maybe it is a PC thing, but "driving" the rover with left/right buttons was annoying as all fuck.  I hated it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Korea on May 27, 2009, 08:46:03 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 07:49:52 AM
Quote from: Korea on May 27, 2009, 12:21:40 AM
I am definitely not a fan. I thought the graphics were beautiful. I really like the conversation method and the AI had some awesome personalities. The story was great and the universe was really immersive but I had some problems that made the game unfinishable for me.

Controlling the AI really pissed me off somethimes because they would be beyond retarded. I hated the combat but that's not really the games fault because I suck at FPS games. The planet/side quest were really boring and repetitive. And driving that stupid car/tank thing was ridiculous.

I understand most of your criticisms, but I thought driving the rover was fun as hell. :blink:


Maybe it was just me but I couldn't control the damn thing to save my life.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Valmy on May 27, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
Quote from: Korea on May 27, 2009, 08:46:03 AM
Maybe it was just me but I couldn't control the damn thing to save my life.

There is a joke about women and driving in there someplace.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: grumbler on May 27, 2009, 09:01:34 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
There is a joke about women and driving in there someplace.
"Women drivers:  no survivors."
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Korea on May 27, 2009, 09:55:19 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
Quote from: Korea on May 27, 2009, 08:46:03 AM
Maybe it was just me but I couldn't control the damn thing to save my life.

There is a joke about women and driving in there someplace.
:lol:

Yeah, I keep walking right into these things.  It probably doesn't help that I'm asian.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Neil on May 27, 2009, 10:34:07 AM
Quote from: Korea on May 27, 2009, 12:22:55 AM
Also, Jade Empire was an almost perfect game. I want a sequel!
It'll never happen.

Also, you probably won't see the Mako in Mass2.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: grumbler on May 27, 2009, 08:04:29 AM
Maybe it is a PC thing, but "driving" the rover with left/right buttons was annoying as all fuck.  I hated it.

I played it on PC too, but I had remapped the movement keys to the arrow pad, as I always do with every game.  I did find it difficult to adjust to at first but a blast once I adjusted.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Neil on May 27, 2009, 11:02:55 AM
One really fun thing about Mass2 is the ability to blow bits off of robots or kneecap people.  The first time I played, I spent a solid five minutes kneecapping assorted party members.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Ed Anger on May 27, 2009, 12:11:42 PM
Quote from: Korea on May 27, 2009, 09:55:19 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
Quote from: Korea on May 27, 2009, 08:46:03 AM
Maybe it was just me but I couldn't control the damn thing to save my life.

There is a joke about women and driving in there someplace.
:lol:

Yeah, I keep walking right into these things.  It probably doesn't help that I'm asian.

Driving 10 miles per hour with the blinkers on.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: grumbler on May 27, 2009, 12:17:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 10:53:03 AM
I played it on PC too, but I had remapped the movement keys to the arrow pad, as I always do with every game.  I did find it difficult to adjust to at first but a blast once I adjusted.
My problem was that it oversteered like a motherfucker.  Drive along, tap the left turn key, and almost instantly you have changed course 90 degrees!  Hated that, especially when it also insta-killed you.  It was almost as if the thing had been designed to infuriate the player.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 12:30:51 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 27, 2009, 11:02:55 AM
One really fun thing about Mass2

:unsure: Is there a demo out already?
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Valmy on May 27, 2009, 12:32:36 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 12:30:51 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 27, 2009, 11:02:55 AM
One really fun thing about Mass2

:unsure: Is there a demo out already?

Neil has connections with Bioware.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 12:41:20 PM
Oh yeah I keep forgetting that... Bioware is headquartered there, right?
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 12:41:54 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 27, 2009, 12:17:01 PM
My problem was that it oversteered like a motherfucker.  Drive along, tap the left turn key, and almost instantly you have changed course 90 degrees!  Hated that, especially when it also insta-killed you.  It was almost as if the thing had been designed to infuriate the player.

Oh yeah, I remember the oversteering now... :bleeding: I got used to it though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Neil on May 27, 2009, 06:32:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 27, 2009, 12:17:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 10:53:03 AM
I played it on PC too, but I had remapped the movement keys to the arrow pad, as I always do with every game.  I did find it difficult to adjust to at first but a blast once I adjusted.
My problem was that it oversteered like a motherfucker.  Drive along, tap the left turn key, and almost instantly you have changed course 90 degrees!  Hated that, especially when it also insta-killed you.  It was almost as if the thing had been designed to infuriate the player.
I was more annoyed by some of the impassable terrain.  Sheer cliffs pissed me off.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Korea on May 27, 2009, 09:43:32 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: grumbler on May 27, 2009, 08:04:29 AM
Maybe it is a PC thing, but "driving" the rover with left/right buttons was annoying as all fuck.  I hated it.

I played it on PC too, but I had remapped the movement keys to the arrow pad, as I always do with every game.  I did find it difficult to adjust to at first but a blast once I adjusted.

I was playing it on the 360 and it was uncontrollable.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Korea on May 27, 2009, 09:44:33 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 27, 2009, 12:17:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 10:53:03 AM
I played it on PC too, but I had remapped the movement keys to the arrow pad, as I always do with every game.  I did find it difficult to adjust to at first but a blast once I adjusted.
My problem was that it oversteered like a motherfucker.  Drive along, tap the left turn key, and almost instantly you have changed course 90 degrees!  Hated that, especially when it also insta-killed you.  It was almost as if the thing had been designed to infuriate the player.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Valmy on May 28, 2009, 07:36:10 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 27, 2009, 12:41:54 PM
Oh yeah, I remember the oversteering now... :bleeding: I got used to it though.

Huh...I didn't even notice I guess I just got used to the 'logic' of how the Mako steered.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: pimpicus on May 28, 2009, 04:26:18 PM
Mako didn't piss me off nearly as much as those elevator load times, especially the one on the Normandy. I hope ME2 will let me load the game to the hard drive.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: viper37 on May 28, 2009, 04:38:47 PM
Quote from: Korea on May 27, 2009, 09:43:32 PM
I was playing it on the 360 and it was uncontrollable.
See, that was your problem: using a child's gaming system to play an adult game.  Now, do like us old people, and use your PC for gaming so you'll stop complaining about 'uncontrollable' vehicles :D
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Neil on May 28, 2009, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: pimpicus on May 28, 2009, 04:26:18 PM
Mako didn't piss me off nearly as much as those elevator load times, especially the one on the Normandy. I hope ME2 will let me load the game to the hard drive.
The elevator on the Normandy was terrible, and even on the Citadel where there was dialogue, they could run a little long.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Neil on May 28, 2009, 04:46:20 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 28, 2009, 04:38:47 PM
Quote from: Korea on May 27, 2009, 09:43:32 PM
I was playing it on the 360 and it was uncontrollable.
See, that was your problem: using a child's gaming system to play an adult game.  Now, do like us old people, and use your PC for gaming so you'll stop complaining about 'uncontrollable' vehicles :D
I had no problem controlling it on a 360.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Korea on May 28, 2009, 09:36:57 PM
Quote from: pimpicus on May 28, 2009, 04:26:18 PM
Mako didn't piss me off nearly as much as those elevator load times, especially the one on the Normandy. I hope ME2 will let me load the game to the hard drive.

I thought the elevator scenes were kind of cute though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Korea on May 28, 2009, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 28, 2009, 04:38:47 PM
Quote from: Korea on May 27, 2009, 09:43:32 PM
I was playing it on the 360 and it was uncontrollable.
See, that was your problem: using a child's gaming system to play an adult game.  Now, do like us old people, and use your PC for gaming so you'll stop complaining about 'uncontrollable' vehicles :D
:D
I honestly don't think I would have been able to control it any  better.  :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: grumbler on May 28, 2009, 09:43:34 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 28, 2009, 04:38:47 PM
See, that was your problem: using a child's gaming system to play an adult game.  Now, do like us old people, and use your PC for gaming so you'll stop complaining about 'uncontrollable' vehicles :D
The problem was on the PC version!  :lol:

If it existed on a console version, I wouldn't know, as I put away children's toys some time ago.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Neil on May 28, 2009, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 28, 2009, 09:43:34 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 28, 2009, 04:38:47 PM
See, that was your problem: using a child's gaming system to play an adult game.  Now, do like us old people, and use your PC for gaming so you'll stop complaining about 'uncontrollable' vehicles :D
The problem was on the PC version!  :lol:

If it existed on a console version, I wouldn't know, as I put away children's toys some time ago.
Don't you play with toy soldiers?
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Syt on May 29, 2009, 03:36:47 AM
Quote from: pimpicus on May 28, 2009, 04:26:18 PM
Mako didn't piss me off nearly as much as those elevator load times, especially the one on the Normandy. I hope ME2 will let me load the game to the hard drive.

I have load times in elevators FROM the HD. <_<
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Ancient Demon on May 29, 2009, 07:38:34 PM
Isn't there supposed to be another patch for Mass Effect coming out soon?
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Queequeg on May 30, 2009, 12:09:58 AM
High Singularity+Bunch of people+level 6+ grenades=lots of dead people.

It is awesome. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Neil on May 30, 2009, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on May 30, 2009, 12:09:58 AM
High Singularity+Bunch of people+level 6+ grenades=lots of dead people.

It is awesome.
Singularity was always fun in those cookie-cutter sidequest trailers, with all the stuff lying around.  When you could get a giant hurricane of crap in the air, it was super-fun.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Syt on May 31, 2009, 06:49:04 AM
I just realized that the Mako with its 6 flexible wheels, jump thrusters and gun driving over bumpy surfaces reminds me a lot of Moon Patrol:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.static.flickr.com%2F141%2F371409803_5212577ff5.jpg&hash=7c0105462230132ab50738f320d79f490eac798d)
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Cerr on June 05, 2009, 12:28:28 PM
I reinstalled this last night, haven't played it in nearly a year. I've tried installing the bring down the sky dlc, my serial code for the dlc is fine but after running the installer for it I get an EA screen with this message:

QuoteThe game can not start.
The game needs access to the internet in order to verify ownership of this game. Please ensure that your computer is online and try again.

After that it says installation failed.
I can still run mass effect but I don't think the dlc or the patch have been enabled.

I'm using vista. Have an internet connection. I've tried disabling my anti-virus and firewall software but that hasn't made a difference.

Any ideas what could be the problem?
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: viper37 on June 07, 2009, 03:04:33 PM
Is internet actually working when you try to install the game?
I have Vista, and it worked perfectly fine last winter when I played this.  Have you tried rebooting?  Did you get it from EA download manager or on a DVD?
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Cerr on June 07, 2009, 03:45:51 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 07, 2009, 03:04:33 PM
Is internet actually working when you try to install the game?
I have Vista, and it worked perfectly fine last winter when I played this.  Have you tried rebooting?  Did you get it from EA download manager or on a DVD?
The game is installed fine. I can play the game as it is. It's the downloadable content 'Bring Down the Sky' that fails to install and brings up the message about no internet connection. The internet is definitely working when I try to install the DLC. I have the DVD version of the game.

There were some possible solutions posted in the bioware mass effect forum but they didn't work either.
I can't think of anything else to try. It's only about an hours worth of content so I think I'll give up trying at least until they release a new patch.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Cerr on June 13, 2009, 12:42:48 PM
I finished the game a couple of days ago.

Possible spoilers ahead:






I enjoyed the game but I didn't find the explanation given as to why the Reapers do what they do convincing. The Sovereign seems to be far more advanced than any other technology in the game, so why would the Reapers need to aquire tech from organic civilisations?
Also if the Reapers use organic life as a resource to consume, why do they have to wait till it reaches a certain technological point before harvesting it? They'd be better off setting up farms instead.
And if they simple don't like advanced organic life, they could have wiped it all out long ago.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Syt on June 13, 2009, 12:57:15 PM
We don't know about the Reapers' "metabolism". Maybe 50k years is a normal feeding cycle for them (on earth some snakes can go for years on one meal)? In which case the galaxy itself would be the farm.

Re: tech - maybe they acknowledge that organic life is more creative than their machine intellect? If so they may gamble that some species may come up with something new every once in a while.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Cerr on June 13, 2009, 01:12:25 PM
It's not like they go about their business after feeding. It says in the game that they basically go into a sort of hibernation. They hide in dark space, asleep, waiting for sentient organic life to progress to a certain point again.

The Reapers are long past the technological point they allow organic life to reach, I doubt there'd be much (if any at all) new tech that could be taken from the organic civilsations they destroy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Neil on June 13, 2009, 02:06:18 PM
The Reapers are taking tech from the organics?  It seems to me that they ration their own, hyperadvanced tech out to the organics, until they kill them all.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Queequeg on June 13, 2009, 09:42:17 PM
I don't think it was ever explained how people could communicate in real time across the galaxy, or why nanotechnology hadn't reached the point where most raw materials could be fabricated, or why people aren't more heavily augmented technologically, or why the Asari all look like hot females, or why female quarians are so different  that they need a space suit in all climates healthy for Humans-Asari-Turians, but they still have titties. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Drakken on June 13, 2009, 09:57:36 PM
Quote from: Korea on May 27, 2009, 12:22:11 AM
Quote from: pimpicus on May 26, 2009, 01:33:11 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on May 21, 2009, 06:53:36 PM
I think the universe showed some promise

I completely agree. They had other mythologies to draw from with KOTOR and Jade Empire. Creating a whole new mythos and filling it in to the level they did was great, I got so lost reading those encyclopedia entries. I hope they explore the Salarian/Krogan conflict more, and the Quarians.

Quote
Nobody bought Jade Empire

I did. It's sitting next to my copy of Psychonaughts and Beyond Good and Evil.

But you haven't played KOTOR have you?  It's amazing. Best Bioware game EVAH!

It is, but the problem is that the game is way too short after completing side quests. 30 hours?! Come on!  :mad:
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Neil on June 13, 2009, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 13, 2009, 09:42:17 PM
I don't think it was ever explained how people could communicate in real time across the galaxy, or why nanotechnology hadn't reached the point where most raw materials could be fabricated, or why people aren't more heavily augmented technologically, or why the Asari all look like hot females, or why female quarians are so different  that they need a space suit in all climates healthy for Humans-Asari-Turians, but they still have titties.
There's a guy whose job it is to answer all these questions.  The writers/designers/art people walk up to him and say something like 'we want our FTL drive to produce large amounts of feathers when used.  Explain this.'

That said, some of your questions (nanotechnological advancement, technological enhancement) are stupid, as the improvement in those fields isn't self-evident.  Others are obviously fiat.  PC races look like sexy chicks because that sells.  Why would the quarians not have mammaries?  They're pretty similar to people, except for their weak immune systems (that's the reason they wear the suits).
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Syt on June 14, 2009, 12:41:09 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 13, 2009, 10:32:44 PM
They're pretty similar to people, except for their weak immune systems (that's the reason they wear the suits).

Exactly. The game explains that they wear the suit because the long time in the closed, controlled environment of their exile fleet has weakened their immune systems tremendously.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Valmy on June 14, 2009, 11:00:07 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 13, 2009, 09:42:17 PM
I don't think it was ever explained how people could communicate in real time across the galaxy,

It is not completely in real time but they have a system to move information at FTL across the galaxy using element zero and the mass effect relays.  They explained it in the Mass Effect novel I believe.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on June 15, 2009, 03:05:55 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 14, 2009, 11:00:07 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 13, 2009, 09:42:17 PM
I don't think it was ever explained how people could communicate in real time across the galaxy,

It is not completely in real time but they have a system to move information at FTL across the galaxy using element zero and the mass effect relays.  They explained it in the Mass Effect novel I believe.

it's in the game too iirc. It's the reason why there's tiered access to interstellar communications. State-stuff goes first, all ther est goes after that depending on importance and availability of bandwith. Basic 'emails' go last.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Warspite on June 15, 2009, 06:39:21 AM
Bugger. I bought the game yesterday but can't play it because my internet connection was disconnected and we have to wait a week until we get a new one. So I can't play a game I bloody well bought with cash.

Fucking EA.
Title: Re: Mass Effect
Post by: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 07:24:14 AM
Quote from: Warspite on June 15, 2009, 06:39:21 AM
Bugger. I bought the game yesterday but can't play it because my internet connection was disconnected and we have to wait a week until we get a new one. So I can't play a game I bloody well bought with cash.

Fucking EA.

Fortunately Mass Effect 2 will not have that sort of copy protection.