Poll
Question:
Which City is Worse?
Option 1: Detroit
votes: 24
Option 2: Baltimore
votes: 3
Option 3: I'd rather be shot in Oxnard.
votes: 4
Seedy's and Sav's posts made me wonder. :)
Must be one of the toughest polls ever to grace this board. I'll ponder my vote.
Never been to either and don't care about either. You hear lots of Detroit though, Baltimore not so much.
Mobtown, hands down.
Definitely Detroit. Every city has crime-ridden ghettos, so you might get an exaggerated view of Bawlmer since Seedy only reports bad shit from there. There are definitely nice parts of Baltimore and it has attractions that make it worth visiting.
Detroit... not so much. :(
Tough call. I think I'd have to vote Detroit.
At the moment Detroit is worse off. The financial crisis devastated the city since sub-prime mortgages were targeted at minorities. The restructurings of the American auto-makers have driven up unemployment and migration from the state and the slump in sales for all auto makers have hurt the foreign car manufacturers who have their US headquarters here and the suppliers. Declining property values, unemployment, migration and low corporate profits have decimated the tax base and both the State of Michigan and the City of Detroit have had to cut back on services. In addition to this Detroit has faced a crisis in leadership; with 3 mayors in a year and an even crazier than usual council. Plus the school system experienced graft and corruption on an unprecedented level.
Usually Detroit and Baltimore are near each other in crime statistics (and I believe Camden, NJ is usually worse than both); and the FBI loves the Baltimore city government as much as that of Detroit. The problem with Detroit is it still is largely a one industry town. A prolonged slump in auto sales devastates the region.
Detroit, no question.
Cleveland :contract:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM
Quote from: derspiess on May 21, 2009, 10:11:33 AM
Cleveland :contract:
I love that video, I was sorely tempted to post it also.
Having lived in the neighborhhod of each city for a number of years, I can say that Detroit is worse. Balmer has some bad neighborhoods, but Detroit is the bad neighborhood. Any decent part of Detroit is not in Detroit.
Quote from: derspiess on May 21, 2009, 10:11:33 AM
Cleveland :contract:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM
:thumbsup:
Quote from: derspiess on May 21, 2009, 10:11:33 AM
Cleveland :contract:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM
Ours is worse :p
Quote from: derspiess on May 21, 2009, 10:11:33 AM
Cleveland :contract:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM
Pffft, even the people making that video admitted Detroit was worse.
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 06:51:30 AM
Definitely Detroit. Every city has crime-ridden ghettos, so you might get an exaggerated view of Bawlmer since Seedy only reports bad shit from there. There are definitely nice parts of Baltimore and it has attractions that make it worth visiting.
Detroit... not so much. :(
We have urban spelunking... ;)
Detroit has two major attractions which should draw people to the city. The first is The Motown Museum; the second is The Detroit Institute of Arts.
The Motown Museum is where Motown Studios was located during its Detroit heyday. There's memorabilia from the many acts that came out of Motown; there are guides who deliver anecdotes about the studio, there are films with the Motown stars and there's the snake pit itself where every Motown hit from that era was recorded. Unfortunately the museum is away from the city center and there's not anything else around it.
The DIA has an outstanding collection of American, Flemish and Dutch Golden Age art and a good collection of Italian Renaissance, Islamic and African American Art; plus the Diego Rivera Murals. Unlike the Motown Museum it has a good location; in the museum district and by Wayne State University. Unfortunately none of the other Museums in the area are of the same caliber as the DIA, and no one is going to come to Detroit to see just one museum.
The attraction in the region that does draw people from out of town is The Henry Ford Museum, Greenfield Village, Fairlane Estate (Henry Ford Home) and the Rouge River Assembly Plant. Those present a nice, thick, gooey slice of Americana; one can see Edison's lab, George Washington Carver's birthplace, and the Wright Brother's Bicycle shop. They're located in Dearborn, though, not Detroit.
I dont know about Detroit, but Memphis trumps baltimore.
We have the unfair handicap of more blacks, though.
I've had good times in Baltimore's Inner Harbor. Titty bars are the worst I've ever been to though.
Went to Jazz Fest in Detroit one time. I got the impression if you walked two blocks from the Rennaisance Center you were in downtown Mogadishu.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 21, 2009, 02:58:55 PM
Went to Jazz Fest in Detroit one time. I got the impression if you walked two blocks from the Rennaisance Center you were in downtown Mogadishu.
I got the same impression from Milwaukee when I was there for GenCon 2000. :nerd:
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 06:36:55 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 21, 2009, 02:58:55 PM
Went to Jazz Fest in Detroit one time. I got the impression if you walked two blocks from the Rennaisance Center you were in downtown Mogadishu.
I got the same impression from Milwaukee when I was there for GenCon 2000. :nerd:
You should have cast fireball.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 21, 2009, 06:40:00 PM
You should have cast fireball.
I'm specced Arcane. :(
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 06:48:36 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 21, 2009, 06:40:00 PM
You should have cast fireball.
I'm specced Arcane. :(
I'm a Paladin with 18 charisma and 97 hit points. I can use my helm of disintegration and do one D4 damage as my half-elf mage wields his plus-five holy avenger.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 21, 2009, 06:56:45 PM
half-elf mage wields his plus-five holy avenger.
Mages cannot use holy avengers :angry:
Quote from: Valmy on May 21, 2009, 06:58:34 PM
Mages cannot use holy avengers :angry:
House rule. ^_^
Quote from: Valmy on May 21, 2009, 06:58:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 21, 2009, 06:56:45 PM
half-elf mage wields his plus-five holy avenger.
Mages cannot use holy avengers :angry:
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Never been to either. Though we have a Detroit contingent come to Jefferson City every year all the police and sherrif's deputies are on duty that night. They are kinda rough.
East St. Louis is the worst I've seen. When I was there it no longer even had a government. So things like street lights no longer worked.
Quote from: Valmy on May 21, 2009, 06:58:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 21, 2009, 06:56:45 PM
half-elf mage wields his plus-five holy avenger.
Mages cannot use holy avengers :angry:
:rolleyes:
Maybe if somebody wasn't totally ignorant about D&D, he would know that a holy avenger can be used by any good aligned character as a +2 weapon without any other special abilities.
Quote from: Neil on May 21, 2009, 07:39:11 PM:rolleyes:
Maybe if somebody wasn't totally ignorant about D&D, he would know that a holy avenger can be used by any good aligned character as a +2 weapon without any other special abilities.
And you call MMORPGers dorks. Your Dungeon Master Screen just fell over.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 21, 2009, 08:06:15 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 21, 2009, 07:39:11 PM:rolleyes:
Maybe if somebody wasn't totally ignorant about D&D, he would know that a holy avenger can be used by any good aligned character as a +2 weapon without any other special abilities.
And you call MMORPGers dorks. Your Dungeon Master Screen just fell over.
MMORPGers ARE dorks.
Oxnard is worse than both.
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 06:36:55 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 21, 2009, 02:58:55 PM
Went to Jazz Fest in Detroit one time. I got the impression if you walked two blocks from the Rennaisance Center you were in downtown Mogadishu.
I got the same impression from Milwaukee when I was there for GenCon 2000. :nerd:
Milwaukee is the worst smelling place I've ever been to, I think.
Quote from: dps on May 21, 2009, 09:38:27 PM
Milwaukee is the worst smelling place I've ever been to, I think.
I am always amazed just how many cold dark depressing cities with failing economies we have in the United States. USA! USA!
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on May 21, 2009, 08:46:41 PM
Oxnard is worse than both.
Also lived there. :lol:
Not a bad little town, with great weather and uncrowded beaches.
Quote from: grumbler on May 21, 2009, 11:25:31 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on May 21, 2009, 08:46:41 PM
Oxnard is worse than both.
Also lived there. :lol:
Not a bad little town, with great weather and uncrowded beaches.
Too many mexicans, at least that is what Jaron tells me.
Quote from: dps on May 21, 2009, 09:38:27 PM
Milwaukee is the worst smelling place I've ever been to, I think.
Worse than northern Jersey?
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 21, 2009, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 06:48:36 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 21, 2009, 06:40:00 PM
You should have cast fireball.
I'm specced Arcane. :(
I'm a Paladin with 18 charisma and 97 hit points. I can use my helm of disintegration and do one D4 damage as my half-elf mage wields his plus-five holy avenger.
Good reference.
Obviously I haven't done enough as ambassador of my fair Gritty Kitty(tm) shitty city.
I need to post more stories, like the woman who was shot and killed by a robber because she didn't have enough money on her, and it was insulting to him.
Folks, always carry an extra $20. The life you save may be your own.
Quote from: dps on May 21, 2009, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 06:36:55 PM
I got the same impression from Milwaukee when I was there for GenCon 2000. :nerd:
Milwaukee is the worst smelling place I've ever been to, I think.
You should have left GenCon and gotten some fresh air.
Quote from: Valmy on May 21, 2009, 10:36:54 PM
Quote from: dps on May 21, 2009, 09:38:27 PM
Milwaukee is the worst smelling place I've ever been to, I think.
I am always amazed just how many cold dark depressing cities with failing economies we have in the United States. USA! USA!
The advantage to being from Detroit is that almost nowhere else in America seems all that bad. I had a friend who got married in Milwaukee near The Museum of the Black Holocaust:
http://www.blackholocaustmuseum.org/visitor.html (http://www.blackholocaustmuseum.org/visitor.html)
As you might expect it's in one of the worst part of towns; but after years of living in the D it seemed down right pleasant. :)
Quote from: Savonarola on May 22, 2009, 05:48:46 AM
You should have left GenCon and gotten some fresh air.
:huh: You are concatenating two posts/opinions.
Quote from: Savonarola on May 22, 2009, 08:24:19 AM
The advantage to being from Detroit is that almost nowhere else in America seems all that bad. I had a friend who got married in Milwaukee near The Museum of the Black Holocaust:
:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
Quote from: Caliga on May 22, 2009, 08:27:22 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 22, 2009, 05:48:46 AM
You should have left GenCon and gotten some fresh air.
:huh: You are concatenating two posts/opinions.
Yes, I know.