Sensationalism or the truth? Olsen reports and Languish decides.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/8232015/Man-executed-after-eating-children
QuoteMan executed after eating children
Last updated 12:24 28/01/2013
A man in North Korea is reported to have been executed after killing his two children for food.
The Sunday Times has reported a "hidden famine" in North and South Hwanghae, North Korea's farming provinces, which has killed more than 10,000 people.
An investigation into the issue by undercover journalists from Asia Press found the acts of cannibalism came out of desperation for food.
One informant from South Hwanghae said: "In my village in May a man who killed his own two children and tried to eat them was executed by a firing squad.
"While his wife was away on business he killed his eldest daughter and because his son saw what he had done, he killed his son as well. When the wife came home he offered her food, saying 'we have meat'.
"But his wife, suspicious, notified the ministry of public security, which led to the discovery of part of their children's bodies under the eaves."
Another man dug up his grandchild's corpse for food, and another man boiled his own child and ate the flesh, said the Sunday Times.
A hospital administrator said there was no wood for coffins or cremations.
The Sunday Times said last year officials in North Korea confiscated food from the farming regions to feed the army and reward residents in the capital for loyalty to the Kim dynasty.
After a drought hit the regions from April to June, families in the area began to die.
According to one of the journalists for Asia Press, the nation's leader Kim Jong-un did not help the problem with his "political waste", ordering new apartment blocks, staging "lavish" festivities, and attending a pop concert with his pregnant wife.
Sunday Times said Asia Press was a specialist news agency based in Osaka, Japan, which had several journalists inside North Korea.
Well, North Korea is the type of place where I can imagine the government starving the farmers in order to feed the soldiers, but OTOH, I can also imagine a so-called journalist making stuff like this up.
It was a modest proposal that got out of hand during implementation.
Can his wife claim the body after the execution?
Wonder what he ordered for his last meal.
It's already been widely rumored to have happened. And we know this has happened in other famine-stricken places in the past. So to me it seems plausible, as much as I'd like to believe it didn't happened.
Quote from: DGuller on January 29, 2013, 12:21:55 PM
Can his wife claim the body after the execution?
It would feed her for a few weeks.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 29, 2013, 11:57:42 AM
Olsen reports and Languish decides.
Languish decides you're a fucking chimp with Assburger's and frontal lobe damage from jamming your head so far up your own ass.
He'll just be hungry an hour later
I can see that happening.
Not sure if you guys realize this but North Korea, besides systematically starving its own people, runs Nazi-style concentration and extermination camps. I think there's a moral case to be made for the ROTW to invade North Korea in order to topple the regime and rescue the North Koreans from it. I'm certainly not a neocon but I would think even a liberal could approve of that action given what the Kim regime does to its own citizens.
Quote from: Caliga on January 29, 2013, 07:02:54 PM
I can see that happening.
Not sure if you guys realize this but North Korea, besides systematically starving its own people, runs Nazi-style concentration and extermination camps. I think there's a moral case to be made for the ROTW to invade North Korea in order to topple the regime and rescue the North Koreans from it. I'm certainly not a neocon but I would think even a liberal could approve of that action given what the Kim regime does to its own citizens.
If the Nork military weren't so strong I'd almost be inclined to go along with that. But from what I've read it seems as though they've spent decades making sure that any invasion would be very painful to the invader.
But if the French want to take that on as a project after they're done with Mali they'd have my blessings. Maybe we could even provide some more transport :)
Quote from: derspiess on January 29, 2013, 07:54:09 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 29, 2013, 07:02:54 PM
I can see that happening.
Not sure if you guys realize this but North Korea, besides systematically starving its own people, runs Nazi-style concentration and extermination camps. I think there's a moral case to be made for the ROTW to invade North Korea in order to topple the regime and rescue the North Koreans from it. I'm certainly not a neocon but I would think even a liberal could approve of that action given what the Kim regime does to its own citizens.
If the Nork military weren't so strong I'd almost be inclined to go along with that. But from what I've read it seems as though they've spent decades making sure that any invasion would be very painful to the invader.
But if the French want to take that on as a project after they're done with Mali they'd have my blessings. Maybe we could even provide some more transport :)
I doubt Seoul residents would be enthusiastic about that.
Though I sometimes wonder if North Korea isn't simply such a defective state that in the event their military stuff wouldn't work.
A part of me wonders if they could be neutralized with massive air strikes (certainly we'd want to destroy whatever partly-functional nuclear and conventional ballistic capability they have) and the the threat of invasion would cause their military to just collapse or turn on the regime.
Quote from: Caliga on January 29, 2013, 09:26:33 PM
A part of me wonders if they could be neutralized with massive air strikes (certainly we'd want to destroy whatever partly-functional nuclear and conventional ballistic capability they have) and the the threat of invasion would cause their military to just collapse or turn on the regime.
Kick the door in and the whole rotten edifice will collapse ? :hmm:
Yep....
Quote from: Caliga on January 29, 2013, 09:47:28 PM
Yep....
And get the gamble wrong and you flush another 500+ billion dollars down a hole. Which you might indirectly have to 'borrow' from the Chinese.
Quote from: mongers on January 29, 2013, 09:52:43 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 29, 2013, 09:47:28 PM
Yep....
And get the gamble wrong and you flush another 500+ billion dollars down a hole. Which you might indirectly have to 'borrow' from the Chinese.
I figured since you just compared Caliga to Hitler you were going somewhere douchey with this.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 29, 2013, 08:40:05 PM
Though I sometimes wonder if North Korea isn't simply such a defective state that in the event their military stuff wouldn't work.
I wouldn't count on that. From all appearances they treat their weaponry with more care than they do their soldiers. Which follows the old East Bloc philosophy. The East Germans, for example, kept their weapons stored in climate-controlled buildings while their soldiers suffered in shitty living quarters.
Having said that, their weaponry is a generation or two behind the South Koreans and possibly three generations behind ours. So while it'll probably *work*, it still won't be as effective as that of any Western foe.
But like you said, Seoul residents might not be too keen on any serious shooting.
I was hoping that new kid might liberalize stuff, since he did live abroad for a while and all, but it seems like he's turning out to be as much of a douche (a Juche douche? :hmm:) as his old man.
Quote from: Valmy on January 29, 2013, 09:56:37 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 29, 2013, 09:52:43 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 29, 2013, 09:47:28 PM
Yep....
And get the gamble wrong and you flush another 500+ billion dollars down a hole. Which you might indirectly have to 'borrow' from the Chinese.
I figured since you just compared Caliga to Hitler you were going somewhere douchey with this.
:blink:
Valmy flying off the handle, again.
I think you'll find the expression has been used in all sorts of context since and no doubt wasn't wholly original at the time.
And the comparison wasn't between Cal. and Hitler, but about the toppling of what appear to be two unpopular totalitarian regimes.
Something he got as he didn't take offence, unlike you on his behalf. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Caliga on January 29, 2013, 10:14:48 PM
I was hoping that new kid might liberalize stuff, since he did live abroad for a while and all, but it seems like he's turning out to be as much of a douche (a Juche douche? :hmm:) as his old man.
He has made economic reforms that have shown some success. Looks paltry by our standards but a small step in the right direction. I don't know how much reform he really wants to do, but I'm sure he knows that the safest bet for him is to take it slow. I'd like to think the China model would work in North Korea, but it's such a whacked-out place who knows.
Quote from: mongers on January 29, 2013, 10:18:37 PM
Valmy flying off the handle, again.
Again? Heh, I am way too sleep deprived these days to get too worked up by anything.
QuoteI think you'll find the expression has been used in all sorts of context since and no doubt wasn't wholly original at the time.
And the comparison wasn't between Cal. and Hitler, but about the toppling of what appear to be two unpopular totalitarian regimes.
Something he got as he didn't take offence, unlike you on his behalf. :rolleyes:
LOL ok martyr boy. I was more amused than anything else. I figured you were ready to do some anti-US trashtalking there. No the comparison was that Hitler was completely wrong which was where you were going with that, it was pretty obvious.
Quote from: mongers on January 29, 2013, 09:52:43 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 29, 2013, 09:47:28 PM
Yep....
And get the gamble wrong and you flush another 500+ billion dollars down a hole. Which you might indirectly have to 'borrow' from the Chinese.
We won't be paying for it.
We break it, South Korea fixes it.
While scary in it's own way, it's less impressive then a successful nuclear test.
I can't see China agreeing to let their vassal state get raped either.
Quote from: Caliga on January 29, 2013, 09:26:33 PM
A part of me wonders if they could be neutralized with massive air strikes (certainly we'd want to destroy whatever partly-functional nuclear and conventional ballistic capability they have) and the the threat of invasion would cause their military to just collapse or turn on the regime.
I doubt that their military would turn on the regime.
North Korea isn't a large country. I think we could probably neutralize the conventional artillery that they have trained on Seoul, and their ballistic missle and nuclear armaments as well--provided that we know where all that stuff is. We probably do know; I can't see how we wouldn't know where the conventional artillery that's targeting Seoul is located, and I would hope that we have someone tracking their nuclear and missle capacity. I'm guessing that the biggest drawback is that gathering the resources to take out their offensive capabilities, and building a political coalition that would make doing it realistic, would tip our hand and might cause them to launch a pre-emptive strike. While I have no doubt that we could easily defeat them in an all-out war, that could do a lot of damage to South Korea.
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on January 30, 2013, 01:03:14 AM
I can't see China agreeing to let their vassal state get raped either.
Well that is the real trick. I wish they would control their vassal state better.