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Title: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: jimmy olsen on December 12, 2012, 03:56:47 AM
Those interested in the science, click the link. Pretty cool.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/12/the-origins-of-the-romani-determined-definitively/#.UMhGYHd5eZ4

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So there we have it. The Romani derive from lower castes populations from the northwest Indian subcontinent who seem to have left ~1,000 years ago. Over time they admixed with local populations, and are now 50-70% non-South Asian, with some groups being ~90% European (e.g., Welsh Romani). And, they have a long history as an endogamous group, judging by their inbreeding.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Josquius on December 12, 2012, 04:04:13 AM
Excellent. So now racists just have to remember the one slur, "fecking pakis" covers them both.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Syt on December 12, 2012, 04:09:58 AM
Romanes ite domus!
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Phillip V on December 12, 2012, 04:38:27 AM
I google search Romani women, but seem to only find fakes.  :(
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Pedrito on December 12, 2012, 04:57:40 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 12, 2012, 04:09:58 AM
Romanes ite domus!
:rolleyes:

Vocative plural of "Romanus" is?

..and that nominative!

L.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Scipio on December 12, 2012, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 12, 2012, 04:09:58 AM
Romanes ite domus!
People called Romanes they go the house?
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Valmy on December 12, 2012, 09:31:42 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 12, 2012, 04:04:13 AM
Excellent. So now racists just have to remember the one slur, "fecking pakis" covers them both.

Racial slurs are pretty weak and uncreative but this is the lamest racial slur I have ever heard.  In order to show our disdain for you we are going to shorten Pakistani to Paki!  Eh?  Feel degraded and insulted yet?

Does it also work if I call Britons Brits?
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Razgovory on December 12, 2012, 09:39:48 AM
I thought this was already known.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: HVC on December 12, 2012, 09:39:52 AM
Has the statue of limitations passed for deportation? :unsure:
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Valmy on December 12, 2012, 09:43:16 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 12, 2012, 09:39:48 AM
I thought this was already known.

It was a likely theory I think based on culture and language and all that good stuff but now we know for sure.  Or supposedly do.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: garbon on December 12, 2012, 09:46:04 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 12, 2012, 09:31:42 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 12, 2012, 04:04:13 AM
Excellent. So now racists just have to remember the one slur, "fecking pakis" covers them both.

Racial slurs are pretty weak and uncreative but this is the lamest racial slur I have ever heard.  In order to show our disdain for you we are going to shorten Pakistani to Paki!  Eh?  Feel degraded and insulted yet?

Does it also work if I call Britons Brits?

Well term for Japanese is a comparison.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: PDH on December 12, 2012, 09:57:36 AM
Quote from: garbon on December 12, 2012, 09:46:04 AM

Well term for Japanese is a comparison.

Slant-eyed devils?
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Valmy on December 12, 2012, 10:02:10 AM
Quote from: PDH on December 12, 2012, 09:57:36 AM
Quote from: garbon on December 12, 2012, 09:46:04 AM

Well term for Japanese is a comparison.

Slant-eyed devils?

Gooks?
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Ed Anger on December 12, 2012, 10:08:06 AM
Zipperheads.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: derspiess on December 12, 2012, 10:15:41 AM
Quote from: garbon on December 12, 2012, 09:46:04 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 12, 2012, 09:31:42 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 12, 2012, 04:04:13 AM
Excellent. So now racists just have to remember the one slur, "fecking pakis" covers them both.

Racial slurs are pretty weak and uncreative but this is the lamest racial slur I have ever heard.  In order to show our disdain for you we are going to shorten Pakistani to Paki!  Eh?  Feel degraded and insulted yet?

Does it also work if I call Britons Brits?

Well term for Japanese is a comparison.

Yeah, but I always thought "Japs" was a silly one to consider offensive as well.  Do actual Japanese people take offense at that?
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: HVC on December 12, 2012, 10:18:23 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 12, 2012, 10:08:06 AM
Zipperheads.
that's vietnamese!

If there's one thing that is unacceptable about languish is the misuse of ethnic slurs! If you're going to use them use them correctly :ultra: :P
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: HVC on December 12, 2012, 10:24:28 AM
The one that gets me is "they're not retarded, theyre slow". But I guess if you don't know French you wouldn't know why that sounds odd.


And yes, I know it's the history of the word that makes it offensive, but it still sounds weird to me.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Valmy on December 12, 2012, 10:26:20 AM
Quote from: HVC on December 12, 2012, 10:18:23 AM
that's vietnamese!

If there's one thing that is unacceptable about languish is the misuse of ethnic slurs! If you're going to use them use them correctly :ultra: :P

I think most of our slurs we used in Vietnam had already been used in the Phillipines, in World War II, and in the Korean War.  Our lack of creativity in tactics was only equaled in our lack of creativity in racial slurs.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Ed Anger on December 12, 2012, 10:32:13 AM
Damn dago eggplant has gone all uppity on me.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: HVC on December 12, 2012, 10:50:22 AM
I've been demoted again :(
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Valmy on December 12, 2012, 10:51:27 AM
Quote from: HVC on December 12, 2012, 10:50:22 AM
I've been demoted again :(

Typical Porkchop.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: HVC on December 12, 2012, 11:07:55 AM
You're one of the good one Valmy :hug: :D
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Malthus on December 12, 2012, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: derspiess on December 12, 2012, 10:15:41 AM
Quote from: garbon on December 12, 2012, 09:46:04 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 12, 2012, 09:31:42 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 12, 2012, 04:04:13 AM
Excellent. So now racists just have to remember the one slur, "fecking pakis" covers them both.

Racial slurs are pretty weak and uncreative but this is the lamest racial slur I have ever heard.  In order to show our disdain for you we are going to shorten Pakistani to Paki!  Eh?  Feel degraded and insulted yet?

Does it also work if I call Britons Brits?

Well term for Japanese is a comparison.

Yeah, but I always thought "Japs" was a silly one to consider offensive as well.  Do actual Japanese people take offense at that?

Yes - they say it should be "Nips".  ;)
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 12, 2012, 11:26:52 AM
Quote from: HVC on December 12, 2012, 10:18:23 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 12, 2012, 10:08:06 AM
Zipperheads.
that's vietnamese!

If there's one thing that is unacceptable about languish is the misuse of ethnic slurs! If you're going to use them use them correctly :ultra: :P

And gooks are Koreans.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: derspiess on December 12, 2012, 12:27:40 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 12, 2012, 11:26:52 AM
Quote from: HVC on December 12, 2012, 10:18:23 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 12, 2012, 10:08:06 AM
Zipperheads.
that's vietnamese!

If there's one thing that is unacceptable about languish is the misuse of ethnic slurs! If you're going to use them use them correctly :ultra: :P

And gooks are Koreans.

Koreans are certainly the OGs, but thanks to all the Vietnam movies most people associate that term more with Vietnamese.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: merithyn on December 12, 2012, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 12, 2012, 11:26:52 AM
Quote from: HVC on December 12, 2012, 10:18:23 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 12, 2012, 10:08:06 AM
Zipperheads.
that's vietnamese!

If there's one thing that is unacceptable about languish is the misuse of ethnic slurs! If you're going to use them use them correctly :ultra: :P

And gooks are Koreans.

As are slopeheads, according to my dad. (He spent two years in Korea in the Army in the early 60s.)
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 12, 2012, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: merithyn on December 12, 2012, 12:33:11 PM
As are slopeheads, according to my dad. (He spent two years in Korea in the Army in the early 60s.)

I'm pretty sure slope is a term that originally meant Vietnamese. 

What I think happened is that during the Vietnam War Asian perjoratives began to be applied more indisciminately.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: derspiess on December 12, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 12, 2012, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: merithyn on December 12, 2012, 12:33:11 PM
As are slopeheads, according to my dad. (He spent two years in Korea in the Army in the early 60s.)

I'm pretty sure slope is a term that originally meant Vietnamese. 

What I think happened is that during the Vietnam War Asian perjoratives began to be applied more indisciminately.

Pity.  In WWII we were so good about distinguishing between different East Asian ethnicities :P

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhistorymatters.gmu.edu%2Fmpimages%2Fmp246.jpg&hash=6654ea79c01ee58fb78bf59ce305d628a6ac3507)
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Lettow77 on December 12, 2012, 08:51:15 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 12, 2012, 10:15:41 AM

Yeah, but I always thought "Japs" was a silly one to consider offensive as well.  Do actual Japanese people take offense at that?


They in fact take offense at both nips and japs in my experience, but in a polite and low-key way. Response to "honorary aryan" is highly variable depending on the japanese in question.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Caliga on December 12, 2012, 09:19:26 PM
Good to hear... so can we maybe get them off the damn streets and into a call center now? :)
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Razgovory on December 12, 2012, 09:44:44 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 12, 2012, 09:43:16 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 12, 2012, 09:39:48 AM
I thought this was already known.

It was a likely theory I think based on culture and language and all that good stuff but now we know for sure.  Or supposedly do.

Not necessarily.  I remember two studies on neanderthal genetics that came out with in a year of each other one saying that the humans and neanderthals mated and another that said they did not.  I'm guessing genetic science is still open to some interpretation.  Determining where people come from based on Haplotypes often comes out with weird results because as I understand it people with certain haplotypes may live all over the world and but may have a higher population in certain areas.  For instance, Hitler was found to have belonged to a Haplogroup that is common in North Africa but is less common in Western Europe.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Valmy on December 13, 2012, 12:33:31 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 12, 2012, 09:44:44 PM
Not necessarily.  I remember two studies on neanderthal genetics that came out with in a year of each other one saying that the humans and neanderthals mated and another that said they did not.  I'm guessing genetic science is still open to some interpretation.  Determining where people come from based on Haplotypes often comes out with weird results because as I understand it people with certain haplotypes may live all over the world and but may have a higher population in certain areas.  For instance, Hitler was found to have belonged to a Haplogroup that is common in North Africa but is less common in Western Europe.

Yeah that was what I was getting at with the 'supposedly' qualification.  I am not entirely sold on these genetic studies.  Particularly for human populations 1000 years old.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Caliga on December 13, 2012, 07:53:17 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 12, 2012, 09:44:44 PM
Hitler was found to have belonged to a Haplogroup that is common in North Africa but is less common in Western Europe.
OMG he was a Jew! :cool:
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: dps on December 13, 2012, 10:21:34 AM
Sounds more like he was a Moor.
Title: Re: The origins of the Romani determined definitively
Post by: Razgovory on December 13, 2012, 01:22:36 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 13, 2012, 07:53:17 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 12, 2012, 09:44:44 PM
Hitler was found to have belonged to a Haplogroup that is common in North Africa but is less common in Western Europe.
OMG he was a Jew! :cool:

It was reportedly like this, but this is not exactly correct.  It is a Haplogroup that is common amongst European Jews though.  You couldn't say definitively he was a Jew or a Moor from this or really anything definitively.  Just that he belonged to a Haplogroup that commonly associated with people from North Africa.