QuoteNFL Lines For Week 13 - NFL Football Line Week Thirteen
NFL Line 11/29 - 12/3, 2012
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
11/29 8:25 ET At Atlanta -3.5 New Orleans 54
12/2 1:00 ET At Chicago -3.5 Seattle 37.5
12/2 1:00 ET At Green Bay -8 Minnesota 46.5
12/2 1:00 ET San Francisco -7 At St. Louis 40
12/2 1:00 ET At NY Jets -4.5 Arizona 37
12/2 1:00 ET Carolina -3 At Kansas City 40.5
12/2 1:00 ET At Detroit -5 Indianapolis 51
12/2 1:00 ET At Buffalo -6 Jacksonville 44.5
12/2 1:00 ET New England -7.5 At Miami 51.5
12/2 1:00 ET Houston -6 At Tennessee 47
12/2 4:05 ET At Denver -7 Tampa Bay 50.5
12/2 4:25 ET At Baltimore -8 Pittsburgh 39.5
12/2 4:25 ET Cleveland -1 At Oakland 41.5
12/2 4:25 ET Cincinnati -1.5 At San Diego 46
12/2 8:30 ET At Dallas -10 Philadelphia 43
Yay for 4 pm starts.
Yay! More Philip rivers to watch. :glare:
51.5 for Pats/Fish? Take the over.
Am i counting right that only four franchises have never made it to Super Bowl?
Lions, Texans, Browns & Jags?
Quote from: katmai on November 29, 2012, 09:19:55 PM
Am i counting right that only four franchises have never made it to Super Bowl?
Lions, Texans, Browns & Jags?
That's right. Included the Saints before Superbowl 44.
Here's a a piece on your boy Kruger, Neil:
QuoteThe path to the quarterback is rarely twisted nowadays for Ravens outside linebacker Paul Kruger, a direct route no longer encumbered by the frustrating obstacles of his scarred past.
All Kruger thinks about nowadays is relentlessly chasing the quarterback. It is an aggressive pursuit fueled by power, speed and well-practiced pass-rushing moves.
Overpowering offensive tackles, Kruger has generated four sacks over the past three games heading into Sunday's AFC North showdown with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Following a slow start to the season, Kruger has emerged as the Ravens' top pass rusher while being utilized primarily as a situational player on third downs.
"I love rushing the passer," said Kruger, a 2009 second-round draft pick from the University of Utah. "It's pure intensity. It takes a little bit of technique, but you basically just do whatever it takes to get to the quarterback. It takes a lot of energy and effort, so I go as hard as I can.
"I've been playing football since I was a little kid, and I love the game. I love the intensity of football. It's the only sport where you have to play 100 percent full-speed the entire time."
Leading the Ravens with 5.5 sacks despite starting only twice, Kruger has relied upon his athleticism, aggressiveness and a burgeoning understanding of how to leverage blockers.
During the first quarter of a 16-13 overtime victory last week over the San Diego Chargers, Kruger barreled into the backfield to sack quarterback Philip Rivers after delivering a powerful hand punch to the chest of offensive tackle Jeromey Clary. That created an opening for Kruger to deck Rivers.
"Kruger's the most natural healthy pass rusher the Ravens have," said former Ravens scout Daniel Jeremiah, who's currently an NFL Network analyst. "He's got every tool you want to get to the quarterback consistently."
A similar scenario unfolded against the Steelers earlier this month during a 13-10 win at Heinz Field.
Kruger overwhelmed rookie offensive tackle Mike Adams with his quickness, forcing him to lose his balance. Then, he shoved the first-round draft pick aside to sack quarterback Byron Leftwich.
"White lightning, man," strong safety Bernard Pollard said of Kruger. "He's able to shake you. He can use the bull-rush. It's kind of rare you see an athlete like that. When I say athlete, I mean white athlete like that. :lol: I told him he reminds me of [Minnesota Vikings star defensive end] Jared Allen.
"Jared is a bigger body than Kruger, but he's very similar with his hands, with his feet. He's a smart player. Krug' is capable of going out there and doing big things."
Discovering a purpose
Kruger overcame plenty of adversity to get to this point.
A gang attack nearly cost Kruger his life four years ago in Salt Lake City during his younger brother's recruiting visit to Utah, leaving him with a zigzag scar across his torso that resembles railroad tracks.
It provides a reminder of the stab wounds to his abdomen and ribs.
Kruger underwent four hours of surgery to repair his injuries, including a collapsed lung filled with blood. Surgeons removed portions of his stomach and intestines.
During the scary confrontation, Kruger, his younger brother, Dave, his sister, Jessica, and a Utah teammate were assaulted by an estimated 15 to 20 people.
Kruger was stabbed twice, and his brother's cheekbone was fractured by brass knuckles in the melee that ensued after an argument near the Sundance Film Festival.
It wasn't the first time that Kruger ended up in a hospital for emergency surgery.
When Kruger was 13 years old, he was four-wheeling in a Jeep Wrangler when it flipped and rolled on top of him. His kidney and spleen were damaged so badly that they had to be removed.
"I'm extremely blessed," Kruger said. "I've been through a lot of different things. It's definitely been something I've been able to draw from in life. You go through hard things and you see yourself and what you're going through.
"You may have tough circumstances. I had times where I wasn't playing and I was frustrated by things. You see other people, little kids that have been injured or people with cancer, and there's no room for complaints in life."
When Kruger was drafted 57th overall, he arrived in Baltimore with high expectations of building a formidable tandem with Pro Bowl outside linebacker Terrell Suggs.
Kruger didn't make an immediate impact, though. He had just a dozen tackles and an interception as a rookie. His second season was nearly as quiet with just one tackle, his first NFL sack.
By last year, the 6-foot-4, 270-pounder bulked up through diligent work in the weight room. And he put the added muscle to use, finishing the season with a career-high 5 ½ sacks.
But when Kruger entered the NFL, he admitted some of the problems he dealt with were because of his actions.
"I've matured a lot," said Kruger, who has a career-high 31 tackles. "I had never had money before in my life. You start being around a lot of different influences. I learned the hard way, being around bad agents, being around girls, being around parties.
"You start to realize, 'This is not the path I want to go down, this is not who I am.' A little bit of that stuff is OK, but you got to learn how to control it."
A Mormon, Kruger said he always maintained his religion throughout his growing pains.
Kruger credits his large family for giving him needed stability.
"I never lost touch," Kruger said. "I always held strong to and always had a passion for my faith and my family. They've been the biggest support and success in my life. That's who I am and what I'm all about."
Getting to the quarterback
Kruger only had 1.5 sacks through three games and went without a sack for four consecutive weeks prior to breaking out with two sacks against the Oakland Raiders.
Now, he's on a tear.
"Paul's playing really well," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said. "The last two, three weeks he's really, really played well. He's been a huge impact in our sub packages."
Against the Raiders, Kruger had a season-high six tackles and an interception.
One reason attriibuted to Kruger's success is simplifying his role to more of a pure pass-rushing approach.
"I think part of it is what we've done a little bit schematically is change some of our packages and put guys in roles that we think they can flourish in and also sometimes take a little bit off of their plate in terms of having to know so much," defensive coordinator Dean Pees said. "We're just trying to concentrate on here's what we can do, here's where we're going to put you. He's accepted that role very, very well, and really done a good job with it."
Thanks for the article.
So, the Ravens are wearing their black shirts on Sunday. I think that last year finally broke the curse on those alternate jerseys, when they beat the Niners and the Jets. Before that, it had always seemed like bad juju when they wore those for a big game.
QuoteBen Roethlisberger won't be playing against the Ravens on Sunday.
The Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback was officially ruled out today due to shoulder and rib injuries suffered in an overtime win over the Kansas City Chiefs earlier this month.
He was unable to get to a point in practice where Steelers coach Mike Tomlin felt comfortable putting him back on the field.
Veteran backup Charlie Batch will start in place of Roethlisberger for Sunday's game at M&T Bank Stadium.
The Steelers also ruled out rookie offensive tackle Mike Adams (ankle), backup quarterback Byron Leftwich (ribs) and Pro Bowl outside linebacker LaMarr Woodley.
Meanwhile, Ravens tight end Ed Dickson is listed as doubtful with a sprained and bruised right knee and didn't practice all week.
Inside linebacker Dannell Ellerbe (ankle, knee, thumbs) is questionable as well as cornerback Chris Johnson (hamstring) and defensive end Pernell McPhee (right thigh, knee).
The following players are probable for Baltimore: wide receiver Anquan Boldin (knee), nose guard Terrence Cody (elbow), cornerback Corey Graham (stomach virus), tight end Dennis Pitta (neck), safety Bernard Pollard (rib contusion), safety Ed Reed (torn labrum in his shoulder), wide receiver Torrey Smith (thigh) and outside linebacker Terrell Suggs (Achilles tendon).
JJ Watt was fined $15,750 for that hit on Stafford.
QuoteRavens wide receiver Anquan Boldin was fined $7,875 for his unnecessary roughness penalty against the San Diego Chargers, according to NFL spokesman Corry Rush.
While Boldin wasn't fined for his crushing and legal block on Chargers safety Eric Weddle on Pro Bowl running back Ray Rice's dramatic 4th-and-29 conversion, he was punished for a personal foul committed in the fourth quarter four plays before tight end Dennis Pitta's touchdown catch.
Meanwhile, strong safety Bernard Pollard wasn't fined for his penalty for a supposed helmet-to-helmet hit on a defenseless receiver for his collision with Chargers wide receiver Danario Alexander.
Replays showed that Pollard actually led with his shoulder, though.
Just read that an un-named KC Chiefs player has committed suicide at Arrowhead Stadium.
Obviously it wasn't about their record.
QuoteLocal reports say police are operating with the belief the player fatally shot his girlfriend at a house before driving to Arrowhead Stadium and killing himself at around 8 a.m local time. The Associated Press reported the player's age to be 25.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 01, 2012, 11:25:35 AM
Obviously it wasn't about their record.
QuoteLocal reports say police are operating with the belief the player fatally shot his girlfriend at a house before driving to Arrowhead Stadium and killing himself at around 8 a.m local time. The Associated Press reported the player's age to be 25.
Well, maybe he blamed his girlfriend for all the losses, but I kind of doubt it. Though they may have been having an argument and she mocked him about the team's record.
The player was Jovan Belcher.
Nasty business. Looks like they are still gonna play tomorrow too.
Rashad Johnson, an Arizona safety, had 1 run for 40 yards today.
He is the Cardinals' offensive player of the game. :yuk:
LOL @ Da Bears.
LOL @ Seachickens
OT
And the Rams take the Kapernicks to OT again.
I was out cleaning the garage so the daughter can park inside as the weather starts to get crappy. I found an old Sports Illustrated, the NFL Draft issue from 2005. What a grease fire most of that first round was.
Alex Smith #1; the next good pick was DeMarcus Ware at 11. From there is was pretty rough until Aaron Rogers went 24.
Of course the STeelers and Patroits did well at the end of the round.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft
I would argue that Rolle has been pretty good. It's hard to be sexy as a cornerback. Derrick Johnson was a good pick too.
Quote from: sbr on December 02, 2012, 04:03:18 PM
LOL @ Seachickens
OT
Yeah, that was pretty hillarious. How do you not double cover Marshall there?
Still, the Bears lost, so my LOL holds up.
I see Dwyer, and I see Bettis.
Wow. Casey Hampton got crushed by Leach.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2012, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 29, 2012, 08:03:09 PM
51.5 for Pats/Fish? Take the over.
Lol.
Didn't even cover the spread. :D
Of course, I'm going to lose because of that. <_<
The Texans are 11-1 and clinched a playoff spot with the W today. :)
Oh, the ignominy.
Yeah, way to fall asleep at the wheel, Ravens. 'Preciate it.
I just couldn't stomach the chargers on tv again.
I don't know where Flacco gets the idea he can hold onto the ball all day. Still, this was a team loss. Everybody played pretty bad.
Quote from: Neil on December 02, 2012, 07:39:50 PM
I don't know where Flacco gets the idea he can hold onto the ball all day. Still, this was a team loss. Everybody played pretty bad.
Yeah, Flacco's pocket awareness has really degraded over the last 2 or so years. First couple seasons, he had no problem tucking and running; he's big and deceptively fast, he could handle it.
Last couple years, he's turned into a statue, with ridiculous results. I don't know if it's the coaching, or if he thinks he can wait until the last moment, but his pocket presence is reaching Boller proportions.
Although, I loved how NFL Properties blew the play dead when he was still upright and throwing the ball to Leach, who was well on his way for some yardage.
No Fantasy playoffs for me :( Stupid fucking ass RBs.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 02, 2012, 07:48:26 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 02, 2012, 07:39:50 PM
I don't know where Flacco gets the idea he can hold onto the ball all day. Still, this was a team loss. Everybody played pretty bad.
Yeah, Flacco's pocket awareness has really degraded over the last 2 or so years. First couple seasons, he had no problem tucking and running; he's big and deceptively fast, he could handle it.
Last couple years, he's turned into a statue, with ridiculous results. I don't know if it's the coaching, or if he thinks he can wait until the last moment, but his pocket presence is reaching Boller proportions.
Although, I loved how NFL Properties blew the play dead when he was still upright and throwing the ball to Leach, who was well on his way for some yardage.
Well, I like to blame Cam Cameron for all the team's woes vis-a-vis coaching. It's interesting watching the Steelers get big gains off of deep slants, whereas the only route that the Ravens ever go deep with is the 9-route. I know that Boldin is strong, and Smith and Jones are fast, but if you only have one play, defences will beat you. Just look at how the Steelers took away the deep pass in the second half. Shit, the wideouts barely did anything late in the game.
Wow Neil and Seedy aren't blaming the refs for once. :P
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:07:59 PM
Wow Neil and Seedy aren't blaming the refs for once. :P
Meh. I didn't agree with every call, but the Ravens did this to themselves.
Besides, division games are tough.
Quote from: Neil on December 02, 2012, 08:13:17 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:07:59 PM
Wow Neil and Seedy aren't blaming the refs for once. :P
Meh. I didn't agree with every call, but the Ravens did this to themselves.
Besides, division games are tough.
Tell me about, Fucking Niners.
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:16:51 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 02, 2012, 08:13:17 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:07:59 PM
Wow Neil and Seedy aren't blaming the refs for once. :P
Meh. I didn't agree with every call, but the Ravens did this to themselves.
Besides, division games are tough.
Tell me about, Fucking Niners.
I was just thinking about that. :P
So, was Kaepernick the right choice?
His tats caused the Niners downfall.
Quote from: Neil on December 02, 2012, 08:18:26 PM
I was just thinking about that. :p
So, was Kaepernick the right choice?
Only seen highlights as game wasn't on here.
I think Smith shouldn't have lost his job to start with.
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:16:51 PM
Tell me about, Fucking Niners.
No shit, what's their deal about getting past the Rams already?
And in the Vince Ferragamo throwbacks, no less.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2012, 08:20:27 PM
His tats caused the Niners downfall.
:rolleyes:
Go knock up your wife again.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 02, 2012, 08:21:00 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:16:51 PM
Tell me about, Fucking Niners.
No shit, what's their deal about getting past the Rams already?
And in the Vince Ferragamo throwbacks, no less.
Heh no idea, though was shown the series is now 61-61-3 all time.
Am i really suppose to be excited by this Late game matchup ?!!?
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
Am i really suppose to be excited by this Late game matchup ?!!?
Divisional match up between two coaches who are the walking dead? What could happen?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 02, 2012, 08:23:42 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
Am i really suppose to be excited by this Late game matchup ?!!?
Divisional match up between two coaches who are the walking dead? What could happen?
Me switching over the the Walking Dead in 35mins.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2012, 08:20:27 PM
His tats caused the Niners downfall.
Probably read his dumb tattoos rather than the play card.
Betcha Smith starts next week.
Quote from: Neil on December 02, 2012, 08:25:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2012, 08:20:27 PM
His tats caused the Niners downfall.
Probably read his dumb tattoos rather than the play card.
Betcha Smith starts next week.
If reports from post game are any indication it will be Kapernick.
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:21:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2012, 08:20:27 PM
His tats caused the Niners downfall.
:rolleyes:
Go knock up your wife again.
I'm not wanted here anymore. Farewell.
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
Am i really suppose to be excited by this Late game matchup ?!!?
I don't see how that's possible. If it wasn't the NFC Least and two of the most popular teams in the country, this is a perfect example of the sort of game they're supposed to flex out
Quote from: Neil on December 02, 2012, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
Am i really suppose to be excited by this Late game matchup ?!!?
I don't see how that's possible. If it wasn't the NFC Least and two of the most popular teams in the country, this is a perfect example of the sort of game they're supposed to flex out
But what game would they move into the slot? Pittsburgh/Baltimore was the most likely game to move, but wasn't their last game on Sunday night? Atlanta/NO was a decent match-up but that was Thursday, besides that there aren't any other match-ups that were very compelling as far as the standings go.
Maybe Seattle/Chicago but that game could have very well been a snooze-fest and I don't blame NBC for not taking the chance.
Tampa vs Denver?
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:40:18 PM
Tampa vs Denver?
Ah, true that would have been a good one. I guess this just shows how much the Cowboys move the needle, no matter which direction they are heading.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2012, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:21:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2012, 08:20:27 PM
His tats caused the Niners downfall.
:rolleyes:
Go knock up your wife again.
I'm not wanted here anymore. Farewell.
Only took you nine years to get the hint :rolleyes:
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2012, 08:54:21 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2012, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2012, 08:21:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2012, 08:20:27 PM
His tats caused the Niners downfall.
:rolleyes:
Go knock up your wife again.
I'm not wanted here anymore. Farewell.
Only took you nine years to get the hint :rolleyes:
I R SAD
Dammit even Marcin can stay away longer than you!
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 02, 2012, 07:50:39 PM
No Fantasy playoffs for me :( Stupid fucking ass RBs.
I've won 4 of my last 5 games. Where were these performances earlier in the year? <_<
Beating Timmay and knocking Quebecanadians out of the playoffs. Regardless of what I do in the playoffs, I've already had a good season. :cool:
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on December 03, 2012, 03:39:46 AM
Beating Timmay and knocking Quebecanadians out of the playoffs. Regardless of what I do in the playoffs, I've already had a good season. :cool:
I'm gonna give Rodgers & The bears defense to your oppenent! :mad:
RG3! RG3! RG3! :)
Though Alfred Morris is pretty good to. That was the biggest win of the year. But now is the biggest game for the Skins: beat the Ravens and the path to playoffs is within their grasp...lose and they will need help.
I gotta say, based on his Baylor stats I thought RG3PO would be a little more of a pure passer. He hasn't really impressed me much in the two games I've seen.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 04, 2012, 01:25:33 AM
I gotta say, based on his Baylor stats I thought RG3PO would be a little more of a pure passer. He hasn't really impressed me much in the two games I've seen.
What was the other game? I thought he had a good game throwing the ball but the game plan was to run it tonight.
I can't remember. Who'd they play last week?
Quote from: Valmy on December 04, 2012, 12:52:42 AM
RG3! RG3! RG3! :)
Though Alfred Morris is pretty good to. That was the biggest win of the year. But now is the biggest game for the Skins: beat the Ravens and the path to playoffs is within their grasp...lose and they will need help.
The brother needs to remember to duck on those read options, man. He's not at Baylor playing Rice anymore.
Ugh.
QuoteRavens linebacker Terrell Suggs confirmed Monday night that he has a torn right biceps, but emphasized he is seeking a second opinion on the extent of the injury.
When asked if he would be able to play Sunday against the Washington Redskins, Suggs told The Baltimore Sun, "We'll see, maybe. Maybe not."
Suggs' status for the next couple of games remains uncertain after he suffered the injury against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday, but Ravens coach John Harbaugh said earlier Monday he is "encouraged" that the injury is not long-term.
Suggs will be further evaluated to determine the severity of the injury.
"We don't know the extent of it," Harbaugh said. "We have an idea what it is. It needs to be evaluated as far as coming back and possibly playing this week or not. We just have to see where it is at and we should know by [Tuesday] or Wednesday what it is."
Quote from: Valmy on December 04, 2012, 12:52:42 AM
RG3! RG3! RG3! :)
Though Alfred Morris is pretty good to. That was the biggest win of the year. But now is the biggest game for the Skins: beat the Ravens and the path to playoffs is within their grasp...lose and they will need help.
First team in history to have a rookie QB with 2000+ yards and rookie RB with 1000+ yards. If they stay healthy DC should have a great offense for years to come.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 04, 2012, 08:18:31 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 04, 2012, 12:52:42 AM
RG3! RG3! RG3! :)
Though Alfred Morris is pretty good to. That was the biggest win of the year. But now is the biggest game for the Skins: beat the Ravens and the path to playoffs is within their grasp...lose and they will need help.
First team in history to have a rookie QB with 2000+ yards and rookie RB with 1000+ yards. If they stay healthy DC should have a great offense for years to come.
For that to happen, though, as CdM pointed out, RG3 is gonna have to stop taking so many hits.
Otherwise, he ends up like Vick: Bankrupt, broken down and vilified by retards for dogfighting.
http://martellusbennettfantasycampaign.com/
The guy ended up winning the week.
ESPN says there are 1,833 tickets on stub hub for the Texans-Pats game. Is that normal for there to be so many tickets for a game like that less than a week ahead of time. Seems like a lot. :unsure:
Yeah, it is. I'm sure the average ticket price is sky high.