Game thread for the next iteration of Virgin Queen.
Powers as follows:
Ottomans: sbr
Spain: Solmyr
England: Viking
France: Tamas
HRE: Ulmont
Protestants: Maximus
I believe I'm done with diplo
I'm done with diplo as well.
I am not.
Quote from: Tamas on November 07, 2012, 02:13:46 PM
I am not.
Usually when you refuse to answer for two days I interpret that as a "fuck you".
Quote from: Viking on November 07, 2012, 02:22:55 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 07, 2012, 02:13:46 PM
I am not.
Usually when you refuse to answer for two days I interpret that as a "fuck you".
two days? its more like half.
you could actually answer...
In a stunning development I have spaced out on the diplo phase. I don't have access to my email ATM, but I just sent offers by PM.
Quote from: sbr on November 07, 2012, 03:09:16 PM
In a stunning development I have spaced out on the diplo phase. I don't have access to my email ATM, but I just sent offers by PM.
No problem, we generally allow 48 hours and it's only been about 24, I think. It's just if we're done before that, we might as well move on.
I am done I think
I'm sure we can start declarations now.
sbr goes first....
I have nothing to announce.
Nothing here either.
Accepting four mercs from the hre in exchange for the hand of lizzie tudor.
Accepting a card from the protestants.
Quote from: Viking on November 09, 2012, 06:01:54 AM
Accepting four mercs from the hre in exchange for the hand of lizzie tudor.
Accepting a card from the protestants.
Are you sure is this all?
Quote from: Tamas on November 09, 2012, 07:35:55 AM
Quote from: Viking on November 09, 2012, 06:01:54 AM
Accepting four mercs from the hre in exchange for the hand of lizzie tudor.
Accepting a card from the protestants.
Are you sure is this all?
Eh, it appears, no. I was going to triumphantly link to the rule that says we cannot make peace on turn 1, but then after reading the rules I find out that this is a HiS rule, not a VQ one...
soo...
Accepting four mercs from the hre in exchange for the hand of lizzie tudor.
Accepting a card from the protestants.
Making Peace with France.
France confirms the marriage of Philip and Elisabeth, as well as the peace with England.
Quote from: Viking on November 09, 2012, 09:01:07 AM
Eh, it appears, no. I was going to triumphantly link to the rule that says we cannot make peace on turn 1, but then after reading the rules I find out that this is a HiS rule, not a VQ one...
It's a VQ rule, from the scenario book (look for the Campaign scenario on page 7):
QuoteDiplomatic Status Display:
• Spain and the Papacy are allied.
• France and Scotland are allied.
• Ottoman and Spain are at war.
• England and France are at war.
Neither of these 2 wars may be ended during Turn 1 negotiations.
Accept English deal, no offers.
Quote from: Maximus on November 09, 2012, 10:57:09 AM
Quote from: ulmont on November 09, 2012, 09:17:21 AM
no offers.
Are you sure?
Perhaps I meant to offer marriage to the Protestants between Anna of Saxony and William of Orange...
I've had a slight technical difficulty, could I get the custom game box and any turn files resent to me please?
Quote from: ulmont on November 09, 2012, 09:17:21 AM
QuoteDiplomatic Status Display:
• Spain and the Papacy are allied.
• France and Scotland are allied.
• Ottoman and Spain are at war.
• England and France are at war.
Neither of these 2 wars may be ended during Turn 1 negotiations.
Accept English deal, no offers.
Sorry Tamas, the Phoney War continues.
Of course you are aware that if you backstab me, I'll dedicate the game to stop you from winning. :)
We accept the marriage with Anna of Saxony and give the English a card.
Quote from: Tamas on November 09, 2012, 02:26:00 PM
Of course you are aware that if you backstab me, I'll dedicate the game to stop you from winning. :)
With diplomacy like that it will be a wonder if you get any of your valois heirlings married for VP :P
No, seriously, I thought I couldn't make peace now, that is why I called it a truce in my secret diplomatic dispatches. When you challenged, I tried to find the rule, couldn't and agreed with you based on the spirit of the agreement and then it was pointed out that I was right all along then, obviously, I changed back. I still intend to do what I originally intended to do, which, in this case, is to conduct secret diplomacy in the open. Read what I wrote you I stand by that.
Quote from: sbr on November 09, 2012, 11:46:00 AM
I've had a slight technical difficulty, could I get the custom game box and any turn files resent to me please?
Sent.
placing mercs in london.
I have no DOWs.
If nobody DOWs me my SD will be.
Quote1 Reg + 2 Mil to Dublin.
No Dows
Make love, not war!
No DoW.
No DoW from Spain and no SD.
sbr, tamas and ulmont need to do their SD, then we can start
Quote from: Solmyr on November 09, 2012, 05:21:47 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 09, 2012, 11:46:00 AM
I've had a slight technical difficulty, could I get the custom game box and any turn files resent to me please?
Sent.
Thanks. Shouldn't there have been an ottoman.gam file in there?
Resent that one too.
Ulmont also needs to pick his HC and religious preference.
Quote from: Solmyr on November 10, 2012, 03:09:44 PM
Ulmont also needs to pick his HC and religious preference.
Gotta see the state of the SDs before I do all that, thanks.
waiting on sbr, then Tamas, then ulmont to do their SDs
Sorry my daughter is home for the weekend and I haven't been paying attention. I will post my SD in the next 6 hours or so, after she leaves.
Sokullu and 7+2 to Buda.
Tamas and ulmont to do their SDs.
Sent a file with Ottoman, Spanish, English and Protestant SDs. Obviously Spain and Protestants don't have any SD, so that makes it simpler.
no file Viking.
no SD from me
ulmont and then sbr can start his turn
SD file sent.
I will also move a galleon from Seville to treasure escorts.
sbr can start the turn and play his first card
Played HC for CP.
Pirated Barbary for one hit. All ships moved to Ionian Sea, built a Corasir in Lepanto.
you do realize you could have built the corsair first and then unified your entire fleet at IS?
VP for piracy.
QuoteSpain: Play Card as Operations
#53: 4 / Grand Tour
Message from Spain:
Build 2 galleys in Messina.
Extending with 4 CP treasure to build a fortress and patrol.
Aren't patrols and fortresses blue actions?
Nope, grey.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Event
#71: 3 / Witchcraft
Message from England:
One Spanish Card Please
Tamas is up.
<_<
#52: 2 / Foxe's Book of Martyrs
Message from France:
1/2: place Villegaignon with his free colonist to North Atlantic
2/2: naval move: Villegaignonon to Atlantic Coast, founding Montreal. Move Galley from Brest to the English Channel
Home card played to sponsor Mercator; over to Max.
Laudonniere founds a colony in Florida and ineffectually pirates in the Gulf of Mexico. To sbr.
Sorry again. Turn incoming as soon as I get home from work, ~4-5 hours.
Quote from: sbr on November 15, 2012, 03:21:33 PM
Sorry again. Turn incoming as soon as I get home from work, ~4-5 hours.
Sbr, this is still light speed compared to my other games.
Quote from: ulmont on November 15, 2012, 04:30:36 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 15, 2012, 03:21:33 PM
Sorry again. Turn incoming as soon as I get home from work, ~4-5 hours.
Sbr, this is still light speed compared to my other games.
Good, but I feel the evil stare of Viking every time my turn takes more than 20 minutes. :D
________________________
#62: 3 / Northwest Passage
Message from Ottoman:
Patronize Sinan for 3 CP.
Now, if only Skinnerian conditioning would work on Tamas.
QuoteSpain: Message
Playing HC for CP.
4/5: Build 2 galleys in Messina
5/5: Fleet to Ionian Sea
Ottomans may intercept or avoid.
Sbr can roll dice and resolve the battle if it happens.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Event
#54: 3 / Huguenot Lent
Message from England:
As per the deal with the protestants.
8 conversion attempts in France.
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 7
6
6
1
2
1
4
2
Message from England:
Hugenot Lent
3 Majors, 1 Minor, 1 unrest
As per protty instructions converting Orleanes, Poitiers, Cognac and Chartres with the unrest in Orleanes.
5 hits each, so we each lose 2 galleys?
I don't have time to do a file before work, and I have no idea what the retreat rules are, so could you deal with Sol?
Means I lose 3 galleys, you lose 2 galleys and 1 corsair.
File sent, Tamas is up.
Converted Nantes, La Rochelle, Cognac, Poitiers, Chartres
1 regular built Vienna; off to Max.
Played Nostradamus. Off to sbr
#69: 3 / Tenth Penny
Message from Ottoman:
1/3 Naval Move Lepanto->Ionian Sea. Since it is joining friendly units no interception.
2/3 Naval move Ionian Sea->Aegean Sea
3/3 Build Corsair in Istanbul
Quote from: sbr on November 17, 2012, 03:11:19 PM
#69: 3 / Tenth Penny
Message from Ottoman:
1/3 Naval Move Lepanto->Ionian Sea. Since it is joining friendly units no interception.
2/3 Naval move Ionian Sea->Aegean Sea
3/3 Build Corsair in Istanbul
If you change the order, to build the corsair second, you can have the corsair join the rest of the fleet in the Aegean Sea with your last naval move.
Quote from: ulmont on November 17, 2012, 03:41:27 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 17, 2012, 03:11:19 PM
#69: 3 / Tenth Penny
Message from Ottoman:
1/3 Naval Move Lepanto->Ionian Sea. Since it is joining friendly units no interception.
2/3 Naval move Ionian Sea->Aegean Sea
3/3 Build Corsair in Istanbul
If you change the order, to build the corsair second, you can have the corsair join the rest of the fleet in the Aegean Sea with your last naval move.
Yeah, I'll do that. new file incoming.
sbr, would you consider my debt paid for the play of the Sultan's Harem at this point?
QuoteSpain: Play Card as Event
#29: 2 / Muscovy Company
Message from Spain:
+1 card marker
Quote from: Maximus on November 17, 2012, 04:56:02 PM
sbr, would you consider my debt paid for the play of the Sultan's Harem at this point?
You know, if people are actively going to help Ottoman piracy, I'm just going to drown them in VPs, because fuck it.
Quote from: Maximus on November 17, 2012, 04:56:02 PM
sbr, would you consider my debt paid for the play of the Sultan's Harem at this point?
I must be missing something, how would making me skip an impulse and giving yourself a card pay your debt?
I jilt the poor german bastard who came a-courtin'
and draw an extra card for my troubles
Quote from: sbr on November 17, 2012, 06:27:22 PM
Quote from: Maximus on November 17, 2012, 04:56:02 PM
sbr, would you consider my debt paid for the play of the Sultan's Harem at this point?
I must be missing something, how would making me skip an impulse and giving yourself a card pay your debt?
Never mind. I misread it.
I am playing Le Home Card, to place the +2 marriage modifier, and taking Grand Tour from the discard pile, because I can.
No file if you don't mind.
Built 1 merc in Vienna. File sent; off to Max.
Some mediocre sermons in the NL and diplomatizing with scots. Back to sbr.
Quote from: ulmont on November 18, 2012, 11:32:47 AM
Built 1 merc in Vienna. File sent; off to Max.
I think you forgot to roll for the jilt from Liz.
Quote from: Solmyr on November 19, 2012, 09:15:26 AM
Quote from: ulmont on November 18, 2012, 11:32:47 AM
Built 1 merc in Vienna. File sent; off to Max.
I think you forgot to roll for the jilt from Liz.
Yeah, I forgot that was me. :blush:
Rolling...6. Two +1 card modifiers.
sbr is up...
Play HC. Add 1 Galley and 3 Regulars to Istanbul.
No time to do a file before work, could the next person get that please?
Quote#28: 2 / Morisco Revolt
Message from Spain:
Build patrol in Antilles.
Viking up.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#44: 5 / Sack! [RESPONSE]
Message from England:
4/5 Patronize Dee
5/5 Influence Ireland
England is peaceful
Tamas is up.
Quote#53: 4 / Grand Tour
Message from France:
Eliminate the Orleans unrest, then take Nostradamus from the discard pile
I am even peacefuler.
No file
Quote from: Tamas on November 21, 2012, 10:02:48 AM
Quote#53: 4 / Grand Tour
Message from France:
Eliminate the Orleans unrest, then take Nostradamus from the discard pile
I am even peacefuler.
No file
Then go be peaceful with that galley in the channel in port
Quote from: Viking on November 21, 2012, 10:21:18 AM
Quote from: Tamas on November 21, 2012, 10:02:48 AM
Quote#53: 4 / Grand Tour
Message from France:
Eliminate the Orleans unrest, then take Nostradamus from the discard pile
I am even peacefuler.
No file
Then go be peaceful with that galley in the channel in port
working on it
Build 1r+1m to Vienna. File sent; Max up.
Sea beggars take over Brielle and loot a VP and a card from Spain.
File sent, over to sbr
Quote from: Maximus on November 21, 2012, 01:22:58 PM
Sea beggars take over Brielle and loot a VP and a card from Spain.
File sent, over to sbr
I am passing out the turn unless something very strange happens.
Somyr then me again then tamas
Sol to give me a card first.
Quote from: Tamas on November 21, 2012, 10:02:48 AM
Quote#53: 4 / Grand Tour
Message from France:
Eliminate the Orleans unrest, then take Nostradamus from the discard pile
I am even peacefuler.
No file
You cannot take Nostradamus, it's out of game since it's been played as event.
Pass.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#6: 2 / Selim II [MANDATORY]
Message from England:
2/2 Build expedition with hawkins and colony in guinea coast.
Not enough pirates in the new world.
England is not being peaceful.
tamas?
So, instead of Nostradamus, I chose to have an extra regular to Paris
1/3: move my galley to Rouen
3/3: conversion attempt
I converted Rouen
ulmont then Max then sbr
Have been in the land of bad Internet. File sent (1+1 to Vienna), passing out the turn.
Converted Rotterdam, Amsterdam. Unrest in Amsterdam.
Pass
Pass.
Quote#14: 1 / Signal Fires [RESPONSE]
Message from England:
1/1 Hawkins expedition to South Atlantic, Place colony in La Plata
Monitoring the speed of this game makes me cry in relation to the others I'm in.
Any openings for next round?
Quote from: Habbaku on November 25, 2012, 01:21:00 PM
Monitoring the speed of this game makes me cry in relation to the others I'm in.
Any openings for next round?
I'm sorry, usually we're faster... :P
waiting on tamas, ulmont and max
gimme' a few hours
Quote from: Habbaku on November 25, 2012, 01:21:00 PM
Monitoring the speed of this game makes me cry in relation to the others I'm in.
Any openings for next round?
Start a new one, I'm sure we'll jump right in (I for one am interested in playing more).
Viking, I already said I was passing the turn out.
Convert Orleans and Ambois, both go to unrest
Quote from: Tamas on November 26, 2012, 09:09:28 AM
Convert Orleans and Ambois, both go to unrest
Unless you're using Iconoclastic Fury, you only add 1 unrest no matter how many 1s you roll.
Also, I'm passing so Max is up.
its ambois which goes to unrest then
You also cannot convert the last space in a religion zone, and as far as I can tell those two are the only Protestant spaces in France. So you have to pick one.
And further, Tamas, the marker number in the Bay of Biscay is supposed to be tracking the number of Prot spaces in France, so that you can at any time just look at the markers to get a Protestant space count. See also the ones by Scotland, England, and the Netherlands.
So that should be a 1 now.
ugh, sorry folks
convert (and unrest) Orleans then.
Played home card for some mediocre conversions. Also fixed the French conversion.
Sbr still passing?
I will pass this impulse most likely but reserve the possibility of going again after Viking, depending on what he does (of course if both Sbr and Viking also pass, the turn will end).
Yep still passing
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#7: 1 / Desperate Assault [COMBAT]
Message from England:
1/1 Move hawkins to spanish main
I will not be passing.
ulmont, srb and sol, if they all pass I can play my last card.
How many times do I have to post that I'm passing out the turn?
I am passing out the turn unless something directly affects the condition of one of my spaces or one of my units.
Quote from: ulmont on November 26, 2012, 11:58:09 PM
How many times do I have to post that I'm passing out the turn?
usually people don't declare they are passing out more than once before falling off their bar stools :contract:
since everybody relevant is passing....
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#64: 2 / Philosopher's Stone
Message from England:
2/2
Sid Meier's Pirates! in the Carribean
Piracy on the Spanish Main
1 Defense die
3 Attack dice (assuming no hits)
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 1
5
Message from England:
Piracy defense die
Drat
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 2
4
3
Message from England:
Piracy attack dice 1 for injured, 1 for Hawkins' P value
Drat
flipping hawkins to the injured side
I'm passing out the turn Winter has the army at berwick returning to london and hawkins returning to the power card
no file since everybody else is passing and the turn is about to end.
Will play again since I kinda have to.
Quote#72: 4 / War with Poland
Message from Spain:
2/4: remove unrest in NL
4/4: conversion in NL
Posted this but noticed it's not quite correct, will remove unrest only in Antwerp since I cannot reach Amsterdam, with remaining 1 point will add influence with Papacy.
For conversions, converting Antwerp and Ghent with unrest in Ghent.
Will do end of turn stuff shortly.
Post your winters btw, and ulmont say what you do with the mercs.
No winter for Spain.
Philip and Elisabeth found a great dynasty. Spain gains 2 wedding VP, France gains 2+1.
William and Anna keep feuding. HRE and Protestants get -1 card markers but Anna cancels that for Prots. William returns to marriage pool.
Sinan builds the Suleymaniye Mosque, gaining 3 VP.
Dee gains 1 VP or a bonus, for Viking to choose.
Mercator gains 2 VP or a bonus, for Ulmont to choose.
Rio and Florida produce treasures for England and Protestants (you can draw those yourselves from the pool). Montreal is eliminated.
To do:
Winters from Ottomans, France, HRE.
Viking and Ulmont to choose science bonus or VP.
Viking and Max to draw colony treasures (can do that during your impulses as I'll need to deal new Spanish treasures first).
no winter
Quote from: Solmyr on November 27, 2012, 07:25:06 AM
Winters from Ottomans, France, HRE.
Viking and Ulmont to choose science bonus or VP.
Winter: Zrinyi to Vienna, 2 mercs to Vienna.
Choose VP.
Quote from: Solmyr on November 27, 2012, 07:09:25 AM
Dee gains 1 VP or a bonus, for Viking to choose.
Observatory, +2 to future science rolls and Dee returns to pool.
Laudonniere will return home for winter.
Quote from: Maximus on November 27, 2012, 11:56:13 AM
Laudonniere will return home for winter.
You've set him as owned by you so you'll have to do it yourself.
I haven't set him as anything, but I'll move him when I pick my treasure.
Still need winter from Sbr.
My fleet any everyone in Buda back to Istanbul.
Sent file with everything for turn 2 and dealt cards.
england's hand should be a 5
3 for keys
1 for lizzie
1 for rio (roll 11)
You get a treasure for Rio, not a card. You can draw it whenever (probably best on your impulse).
Quote from: Solmyr on November 28, 2012, 07:52:15 PM
You get a treasure for Rio, not a card. You can draw it whenever (probably best on your impulse).
Oh, sorry...
negotiationwise
pirate cards and the patronize from italy cards are of interest to me. I have two event cards that are worthwhile to all players.
I'm finished with diplomacy.
anybody still diplomatizing?
Yes. Maybe the person who is ignoring me will respond come Monday.
Quote from: sbr on December 02, 2012, 09:54:18 PM
Yes. Maybe the person who is ignoring me will respond come Monday.
meh, don't operate on the assumption that Tamas will reply.
Quote from: sbr on December 02, 2012, 09:54:18 PM
Yes. Maybe the person who is ignoring me will respond come Monday.
If anybody sent me anything, I didn't get it.
diplomacy started 2 am on the 29th and it is now 5:30 am on the 3rd I say diplomacy is over
I believe I'm done.
sbr didn't write me anything :P
I guess I am ready too
Start your declarations.
Quote from: Viking on December 03, 2012, 02:36:05 AM
Start your declarations.
Even though you have already declared everyone done, I will wait until I am actually done.
Quote from: sbr on December 03, 2012, 02:38:33 AM
Quote from: Viking on December 03, 2012, 02:36:05 AM
Start your declarations.
Even though you have already declared everyone done, I will wait until I am actually done.
We've already had 5 days of diplomacy :contract:
Edit: 4 days.
Make peace with Spain. I will accept any card draws that are offered to me.
Agree to peace with the Sultan.
Tudor Diplomacy:
Suggest Peace with France
Suggest betrothal between Darnley and Mary Stuart
Suggest and Agree betrothal between Leicster and Elizabeth Tudor
Tamas Next
Agree to peace with England.
Announce the marriage of the King of France with Mary of the Scots.
No announcements.
Offer the Ottomans a card
Next up is DOWs and SDs.
Spain declares no wars and no SD.
EDIT: Also Ottomans and HRE pick a home card.
Don't I still get both home cards?
I'll post my moves in a couple hours when I get home
I thought you got Selimized
Not yet, unless I missed it.
Yep I did. What is it with England playing that card as Ops instead of as an event. :D
I have Selim. I will discard and draw a new card.
Quote from: Solmyr on December 04, 2012, 02:55:50 PM
EDIT: Also Ottomans and HRE pick a home card.
Not until actual SD, thanks.
Quote from: sbr on December 04, 2012, 03:05:36 PM
I have Selim. I will discard and draw a new card.
Play it as event instead to get rid of it from the next shuffle.
No DoW, no SD from me unless somebody does something funky.
No DOWs for me.
sbr, from the other thread:
Quote from: sbr on December 04, 2012, 11:04:32 PM
No Dows from me.
No HRE DoW. Max up to DoW or not, then sbr up to SD and pick home card.
I suspect Max won't be DOWing now since he does that automatically via rebellions.
That is correct
Solluku and 10R+2C to Buda. Home Card picked as well.
File sent.
With Solymr's "no SD", that puts Viking up to SD.
I'm at peace, no SD.
Everybody from Vienna to Pressburg.
Sbr up to play since Max has no capital yet, unless I missed it.
Played tenth penny for Spain
Btw, Mary Stuart's marriage should be resolved immediately in the diplo phase. I'll do that along with my play.
QuoteRequest: 6-sided die x 2
4
3
Message from Spain:
Charles & Mary marriage, +3 to roll
No effects from marriage except 1 VP for Valois marriage and 2 French influence in Scotland.
Played War in Poland, ulmont to decide number of units he wants to commit.
Extended with treasure to build a fortress in Panama.
Viking up.
Quote from: Solmyr on December 06, 2012, 02:29:34 PM
Played War in Poland, ulmont to decide number of units he wants to commit.
Don't you need to tell me how many Poles there are first?
Either way:
Regulars from Frankfurst, Augsburg, Prague, and Szigetvar; and
4 mercs and Schwendi from Pressburg.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#17: 4 / Army Mutiny
Message from England:
2/4 Build Hawkins with colonist in guinea coast.
3/4 Move Hawkins to south atlantic, fleets to north sea and channel. Place colonist in rio.
4/4 Move Hawkins to Spanish Main, fleets to north sea.
Tamas up
Quote from: ulmont on December 06, 2012, 02:51:38 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on December 06, 2012, 02:29:34 PM
Played War in Poland, ulmont to decide number of units he wants to commit.
Don't you need to tell me how many Poles there are first?
Either way:
Regulars from Frankfurst, Augsburg, Prague, and Szigetvar; and
4 mercs and Schwendi from Pressburg.
Last time we played this, people had to assign troops first.
Anyway, 5 Poles.
The rules say hre declares first, then card player
#12: 2 / Galleasses [RESPONSE]
Message from France:
Galleon to La Rochelle
Schwendi routs the Poles, ending the HRE's foreign war in one fell swoop. Schwendi moves back to Pressburg, and some mercenaries are raised where regulars were taken to the foreign war.
File sent; over to Max.
Amsterdam revolts with home card for 7 cp. William and 3 regulars appear there and Haarlem and Utrecht join the revolt(Alkmaar is still catholic so it doesn't, file needs to be changed).
Extended with 4 cp treasure. controlled Rotterdam and removed unrest in Amsterdam, then preached a very lackluster sermon in Scotland.
File sent, sbr is up
#22: 3 / Genoese Bankers
Message from Ottoman:
I'll take 2 cards.
Spain: Play Card as Event
#76: 2 / Untimely Death [MANDATORY]
Message from Spain:
Leicester has a sudden heart attack from all the cockteasing Liz is putting him through.
With 2 points preach sermon in England.
1 major, 2 minor, 1 unrest.
Convert York, Carlisle, Lincoln. Unrest in York.
Extend with 3 CP treasure to patronize Herrera.
Viking up.
Oh, forgot to add a war marker between Spain and Protestants, can someone add that in their file?
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#20: 5 / Eloquent Ambassador
Message from England:
4/5 Re-Patronize Dee
5/5 Remove disorder in York
BTW, whats the female equivalent of being cock blocked?
You can't remove disorder in York, you have no units there to do it.
Quote from: Solmyr on December 09, 2012, 02:43:12 PM
You can't remove disorder in York, you have no units there to do it.
12.4 yes.
Build Merc in Berwick instead. Sending new file.
Tamas is up.
I know :P
Rousard is mega-sponsored
Get on with it Sol, nag ulmont... c'mon, you know you want to...
It's normally your job, you know.
Quote from: Viking on December 10, 2012, 07:37:39 AM
Get on with it Sol, nag ulmont... c'mon, you know you want to...
Really, not even 3 hours of morning time later?
Muscovy Company played as event; file sent; Max up.
pass
See? Without nagging we go for HOURS without a move!
Ottoman: Play Card as Operations
#62: 3 / Northwest Passage
Message from Ottoman:
3 Regulars from Istanbul to Belgrade
Playing HC for CP.
4/5: Build Walloons in Antwerp & Flushing.
5/5: 1 influence with Papacy.
Extend with 1 CP treasure to build merc in Madrid.
Viking up.
Just noticed that those are technically not strictly legal, but just swap the actions, so building a merc with the HC and adding influence with the treasure.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#61: 2 / Menendez de Aviles
Message from England:
2/2 Pirates! of the Spanish Main. Hawkins sees some ships and thinks to himself, I think those ships should belong to me (and the queen).
yes, I know two hits might be.. eh.. disasterous...
Piracy is a dud, hawkins is damaged and hits nothing in spanish main
no file, as hawkins will conduct no more piracy and will return to power card in the EOT
Tamas up.
:punk:
Patrols are good.
Quote from: Solmyr on December 12, 2012, 06:00:41 AM
:punk:
Patrols are good.
I have a one word answer to that.
Drake
He can still only take two hits. :P
Quote from: Solmyr on December 12, 2012, 06:13:45 AM
He can still only take two hits. :P
I know, I have to wipe those patrols out.... maybe the protestant (or french whoever)) pirate that can ignore forts would mind being useful?
Playing HC for ops:
4/5: 2 regulars to Paris
5/5: remove unrest from Orleans
Merc to Frankfurt, regular to Pressburg. File sent; off to Max.
de Sores sets sail for the new world. sbr is up
Quote from: Maximus on December 13, 2012, 01:24:16 PM
de Sores sets sail for the new world. sbr is up
Quote from: The Autobiography of DrakeIf it is to be said that I plundered more than others it will be because others cleared out the Spanish patrols before me.
Sbr?
Ottoman: Play Card as Operations
#53: 4 / Grand Tour
Message from Ottoman:
Patronize Taqi al-Din for 4 CP
Spain: Play Card as Operations
#8: 2 / Elite Troops [COMBAT]
Message from Spain:
2/2: Build patrol in Antilles.
Extend with treasure to draw a card.
Viking up.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#7: 1 / Desperate Assault [COMBAT]
Message from England:
1/1 Remove Disorder in York
meh...
#65: 2 / Puritans
Message from France:
build a scottish regular in their capital
Regular to Pressburg. File sent; Max up.
Pass
I'll be passing
Sbr is up.
Sorry I got distracted. I will go as soon as I get home today.
Spain: Play Card as Operations
#10: 1 / Siege Engineering [COMBAT]
Message from Spain:
Move Spanish Fleet to Tyrrhenian Sea, Papal galley to Adriatic.
Viking up to play HC.
I use lizzie to pick up
Quote#59: 4 / John Hawkins
Message from England:
Virgin Queen - with thanks to whoever broke my betrothal
and am passing out the turn.
Tamas passed, so Ulmont is up.
Patronized an artist and built a merc. File sent; Max passed last time, so sbr is probably up.
Yea, I'm probably passing out the turn, but Spain still has 5 fucking cards so who knows.
I thought you were going to pirate. :P
Sbr is up, then me, then Ulmont again.
Quote from: Solmyr on December 19, 2012, 04:41:34 PM
I thought you were going to pirate. :P
Sbr is up, then me, then Ulmont again.
Passing unless I eat a DoW.
Sbrrrrrrrr!
Ottoman: Play Card as Operations
#30: 3 / Ruler Falls Ill
Message from Ottoman:
I'll build an expedition with a colony and drop the colony in Mombassa.
No file.
I don't think you can do that if the Suez canal isn't built. 17.4
Yeah, need the canal for Ottoman colonies.
Quote from: Maximus on December 21, 2012, 11:25:04 AM
I don't think you can do that if the Suez canal isn't built. 17.4
I thought I could but my expedition comes out the other side damaged.
QuoteOttoman sea captain, Suez Canal not built: Place the sea captain in the Indian Ocean zone on its Damaged (back) side.
Quote
If one of these powers has a colony marker that is not currently in play, they may spend an additional CP (for a total cost of 2 CP) to add a colony to the expedition. (Exception: The Ottoman can only add a colony if the Suez Canal has been built).
I have to go to a party, so I'll post my move now. Sbr is up again after me anyways, I think.
Spain: Play Card as Operations
#14: 1 / Signal Fires [RESPONSE]
Message from Spain:
Main Spanish fleet to Gulf of Lyon, Papal fleet to Ionian Sea.
Quote from: Maximus on December 21, 2012, 11:29:04 AM
Quote
If one of these powers has a colony marker that is not currently in play, they may spend an additional CP (for a total cost of 2 CP) to add a colony to the expedition. (Exception: The Ottoman can only add a colony if the Suez Canal has been built).
Fine be that way. :mad:
I'll sponsor Baki for 3 CP instead.
My move stands, except I'll actually move the main fleet to Barbary Coast. Sbr is up again, still has to play the HC at least.
Btw, it'd be nice if people actually revealed their home cards in CB when they play them. It'll be especially important next turn since both England and France will also get two HCs.
Played Home Card (Tribute) for ops. Pirated HRE in Adriatic and got two hits.
It's a card and a VP basically.
Spain: Play Card as Event
#21: 5 / Foreign Volunteers
Message from Spain:
Placing 3 Spanish regulars in Brussels.
Sbr is up again since he'll have 3 cards after taking Ulmont's last one. Assuming everyone else still passes.
Imma wait until I see what I get from ulmont.
Spanish fury iirc.
Yeah, Spanish fury.
Ottoman: Play Card as Operations
#18: 4 / City State Rebels
Message from Ottoman:
Build 2 Galleys in Istanbul
Spain: Play Card as Event
#77: 2 / Portuguese Attack
Message from Spain:
Eggplants raze English colony in Rio.
Anyone else not passing?
I'm passing out the turn unless you do something to me.
ulmont's out of cards.
Vking said he was done.
Max said he "was probably" passing out the turn but was worried about how many cards Spain had.
That leaves Tamas; his "I'll be passing" is a bit vague.
Despite vile portugese attacks I still pass.
Post your winters then (and merc option for Ulmont).
Spanish fleet will go to Gibraltar, Papal fleet to Messina. No land unit relocations.
Btw, there's a treasure in the English hand, when did it get there?
Quote from: Solmyr on December 23, 2012, 06:24:41 AM
Post your winters then (and merc option for Ulmont).
Spanish fleet will go to Gibraltar, Papal fleet to Messina. No land unit relocations.
Btw, there's a treasure in the English hand, when did it get there?
last turn eot, saw no reason to spend it.
Winter
English Fleet to London
Hawkins back to power card
Dee rolls with a +7 (picks plantations)
Quote from: Viking on December 23, 2012, 07:30:14 AM
Btw, there's a treasure in the English hand, when did it get there?
last turn eot, saw no reason to spend it.
[/quote]
You realize it'll be discarded now, right?
Quote from: Solmyr on December 23, 2012, 07:52:05 AM
Quote from: Viking on December 23, 2012, 07:30:14 AM
Btw, there's a treasure in the English hand, when did it get there?
last turn eot, saw no reason to spend it.
You realize it'll be discarded now, right?
[/quote]
eh, no...
I would have spent it with my home card had I known.
It's a 5 CP treasure
4/5 build 2 galleons in london
5/5 build 1 merc in london
Quote from: Viking on December 23, 2012, 07:30:14 AM
English Fleet to London
Hawkins back to power card
Dee rolls with a +7 (picks plantations)
Only +5 to Dee I'm afraid. :P
And I assume your Berwick merc goes to York.
I'm fine with you spending the treasure btw.
Quote from: Solmyr on December 23, 2012, 08:04:05 AM
Quote from: Viking on December 23, 2012, 07:30:14 AM
English Fleet to London
Hawkins back to power card
Dee rolls with a +7 (picks plantations)
Only +5 to Dee I'm afraid. :P
And I assume your Berwick merc goes to York.
I'm fine with you spending the treasure btw.
3 for Dee
+2 for the 4 CP
+2 for Observatory
------------
7
I was saving that treasure up to fund drake
Oh yeah, that.
Pressburg stack back to Vienna and I'll take the 4 mercs diplo option.
Dragut's fleet and Sokollu's army move back to Istanbul.
Quote from: sbr on December 23, 2012, 11:01:23 AM
Dragut's fleet and Sokollu's army move back to Istanbul.
Fleet has to go to closest port so Scutari or Durazzo. Also are you leaving anything in Buda?
Quote from: Solmyr on December 23, 2012, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 23, 2012, 11:01:23 AM
Dragut's fleet and Sokollu's army move back to Istanbul.
Fleet has to go to closest port so Scutari or Durazzo. Also are you leaving anything in Buda?
Oh yeah. Fleet to Scutari and I will leave 2R in Buda.
no winter of course
Assuming no winter from Protestants, will do EOT stuff now.
Amazingly, every male but William hangs on to their looks.
Ronsard gains 1 VP for France.
Baki gains 1 VP for Ottomans.
Arcimboldo gains 1 VP for HRE.
Taqi al-Din returns to pool.
Dee gains 1 VP or a bonus, picking Plantations per Viking's post.
Herrera returns to pool.
End of turn VP
Ottomans: 17
Spain: 17
England: 9
France: 16
HRE: 11
Protestants: 6
Both English and Protestant colonies are eliminated - we don't want no barbarians in the New World!
Hand sizes for turn 3
Ottomans: 6 (4, +1 Selim, -1 marker, +2 saved)
Spain: 8 (5, +1 Philip, +2 saved)
England: 5 (3, +1 Liz, +1 saved)
France: 5 (4, +1 saved)
HRE: 5 (4, +1 marker)
Protestants: 5 (4, +1 saved)
threes on 2d6 twice in a row ffs...
meh.. nothing one can do about crappy dice
Cards dealt and file sent.
deSores should have wintered in Florida, then been shunted into Antilles when Florida fell. File sent with correction.
Reminder: 4 mercs are available for sale. All reasonable offers considered...
are we ready for declarations?
Should be. Replies sent that were waiting on other replies.
No one wants my mercs. :cry:
Quote from: ulmont on December 30, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
No one wants my mercs. :cry:
I made you an offer for them. A pretty damn low one, but an offer still.
Quote from: Viking on December 30, 2012, 03:39:37 PM
Quote from: ulmont on December 30, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
No one wants my mercs. :cry:
I made you an offer for them. A pretty damn low one, but an offer still.
Yeah, a better offer came in before that.
I'm waiting for replies from 3 people. :huh:
Got all the replies I assume I'll get, ready to announce.
I have no announcements.
Spain offers betrothal of Don Carlos to Anna of Austria. Why not keep it in the family? :homestar:
Lizzie Tudor accepts two cards from the protestants.
(no DOWs later)
Tamas to announce.
I am offering a marriage between Margeruite of Valois and Henry IV of Navarre
ulmont then maximus
bump
waiting on ulmont and max
Quote from: Viking on January 04, 2013, 01:54:21 PM
waiting on ulmont and max
Ahh, good, I was just looking for this thread (never saw Tamas's play).
1) Offer marriage between Elisabeth and Henry of Navarre.
2) Offer marriage between Anna and William.
3) Offer Protestants 4 mercs in exchange for 1 card draw.
Offer 2 cards to England
Offer 1 card to HRE in exchange for 4 mercs
accept marriages of William to Anna and Henry to Elizabeth
What? No marriage for poor France?!!
Given that you never actually approached me about that?
yeah I forgot because of the holidays :P
DOWs then SD.
in a peaceful world (that is to say one where nobody dows me) Hawkins will go to london and 1 reg will go to york
Wow, I wonder what Protestants are going to do this turn with no cards.
Anyway, Spain is a nation of peace, happiness, and abusing poor Injuns, so no DOWs.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 04, 2013, 02:34:51 PM
Wow, I wonder what Protestants are going to do this turn with no cards.
Anyway, Spain is a nation of peace, happiness, and abusing poor Injuns, so no DOWs.
well, it won't take us many impulses to find out
Everyone who isn't Spain or Protestants should remember to select their home card this turn alongside their SD. Which means everyone will have to send their own separate SD file, in impulse order.
Sbr, Tamas, Ulmont, Max to announce DOWs. Then everyone's SD.
no DoWs
nag nag nag
waiting on Sbr, ulmont and Max to do DOWs
My daughter leaves to go back to school in about 2 hours. Shortly after that I will catch back up on the game and post my moves.
No Dows
Ulmont and Max, then SDs/home cards.
DoW France.
No DoWs
SDs now, everyone will have to send a file with theirs since most people will also need to pick a home card. Sbr starts off.
No SD. HC picked and file sent.
Alva, 4r, 1m to Gibraltar. Viking next.
Max should put those 4 mercs in Amsterdam during his SD, btw.
Hawkins to London, 1 Reg to York, Picked Home Card, Consolidated regulars in London
TAMAS next
Montmercy and 3 regulars to Metz
Zrinyi, Schwendi, 8+6 from Vienna to Strassburg.
4 Dutch mercs placed in Amsterdam.
Max up to SD.
Tamas forgot to pick his home card, of course.
No SD, and since I don't need to pick a card, no file.
So sbr is up to play, then?
Yep.
#30: 3 / Ruler Falls Ill
Message from Ottoman:
1/3 Move Sokollu and 9 R to Finica.
2/3 Naval Move: Dragut and Fleet to Adriatic. Pasha and Intanbul Fleet to Aegean.
3/3 Pasha and Fleet to Eastern Med.
Sbr, remember that you can only transport 5 units by sea.
Spain: Play Card as Operations
#97: 5 / St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre
Message from Spain:
1/5: Fleet to Barbary Coast
2-3/5: Alva+5 to Tunis.
4-5/5: Build walloons in Antwerp.
Extend with 2 CP treasure to build patrol in Spanish Main.
Viking up.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#84: 2 / Henry III (Anjou) [MANDATORY]
Message from England:
2/2 Build Race Built Galleon in London
Tamas Next
QuoteFrance: Play Card as Event
#86: 2 / Polish Royal Election [MANDATORY]
Message from France:
End any Foreign Wars between the Holy Roman Empire and Poland. Then, Spain, France, and the Holy Roman (if a player power) have the option to play a card or treasure to advance their candidate for the Polish throne. Reveal all choices simultaneously. Each power playing a card/treasure adds its CP value to the roll of one die. Power with the highest total becomes King of Poland and receives 2 VP, as long as their total exceeds 5. If highest total is 5 or less, no VP awarded (Ivan the Terrible becomes King of Poland). Remove from deck after play. [FAQ: Mandatory Events may not be played for the election; home cards may be. In the case of a tie, France scores the 2 VP if they are one of the tied powers. If not the Holy Roman scores the VP.]
2/2: two mercs to Lyon
should I send my card choice to England? Or what?
Since people can play HC or treasure for this as well, best is probably that everyone tells Viking what they will play (and how many points it gives), then he makes the roll. And everyone obviously has to discard what they said afterwards.
just send me a message or email with the card you intend to use. If you want to send it to me as well you can do so.
Spain is playing a treasure, sent mail to Viking with the value.
Bids from Sol and Tamas are in, waiting on ulmont.
Quote from: Viking on January 10, 2013, 07:41:10 AM
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#84: 2 / Henry III (Anjou) [MANDATORY]
Message from England:
2/2 Build Race Built Galleon in London
Tamas Next
Doesn't this card have to be played as an event, being mandatory and all?
Quote from: Viking on January 10, 2013, 08:57:38 AM
Bids from Sol and Tamas are in, waiting on ulmont.
Sent.
All bids are in
Sol - 4 CP treasure
Tamas - 5 CP card "Treachery"
ulmont - 4 CP card "Belgic Confessions"
:wacko:
Because resolution of Poland doesn't change my play, went ahead:
Play Card as Event.
#82: 2 / Death of King Sebastian [MANDATORY]
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
1/2 - merc to Strassburg.
2/2 - Zrinyi, Schwendi, 8+6 march on Metz. Assumed siege.
Portugal's in play now, Metz is sieged, file is sent, Max is up.
France: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 3
5
4
4
Message from France:
1st roll Spain (+4)
2nd roll France (+5)
3rd roll HRE (+4)
That leave Spain and France tied at 9, so... France receives the 2VPs!
All hail Le Polish King! Feet sex is henceforth banned
Electing French kings is probably why Poles got into feet sex in the first place. :P
Remember to discard those cards you played, btw. I'll toss my treasure in my next file.
Max is up to play.
#76: 2 / Untimely Death [MANDATORY]
Message from Protestants:
Montmorency takes an arrow to the knee.
1/2 Outfit Laudonniere with a colonist in Guinea coast
2/2 Naval move: Laudonnierre to South Atlantic dropping the colonist in Rio de Janiero, Brielle fleet to North Sea
Waitin' on sbr
Play HC (Tribute) to DoW Venice.
Naval transport Sokullu and 5 R to Cyprus.
Spain offers no tribute, I assume HRE doesn't either. Note that we still resolve Venice's diplomatic status between Spain, France, and HRE.
QuoteSpain: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 3
4
6
2
Message from Spain:
Venice diplo status: Spain, France, HRE. No modifiers.
France gains the first chance to get Venice at the cost of going to war with Ottomans. If France refuses, Spain second, HRE third.
Use HC for CP.
1/5: Assault Tunis
2-3/5: Place Jesuit in York
4-5/5: Preach sermon in England
Tunis falls without losses, English sermon converts Shrewsbury.
Extend with 4 CP treasure to build 2 galleons in Gibraltar.
Viking up.
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 7
2
1
3
5
3
4
2
Message from England:
7 Conversion attempts in France or Netherlands, 5s become 6s and all 1s count
Pathetic, 1 major and 1 minor
convert paris and amiens and place disorder in paris
Sooo, Ottomans I guess we could come to an understanding. Surely me taking Venice is by far your best alternative... So let's come to an understanding: I will not throw a big fit over you taking Cyprus, in exchange you will not try your luck against the remainder of Venice and her fleet, or my holdings and ships.
On the other hand it places France within one key of an autowin. I'd say at the very least destroying the Venetian fleet (regardless of who owns it) can only be good for the Sultan.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 13, 2013, 10:43:54 AM
On the other hand it places France within one key of an autowin. I'd say at the very least destroying the Venetian fleet (regardless of who owns it) can only be good for the Sultan.
negative. I am boung to lose at least Metz to the HRE.
But the Sultan probably still doesn't want the Venetian fleet floating around.
And it's actually your turn, Tamas.
open negotiations are still ok right? So I am kinda wondering what the Ottomans are saying. Will wait a bit more and if no answer will consider that we have a deal
Quote from: Tamas on January 14, 2013, 11:26:42 AM
open negotiations are still ok right?
That depends on whether you are stalling the whole game while you fuck around or not.
What deal? You just decide whether you are taking Venice or passing it onto me. It's not that hard and shouldn't be dependent on anything Sbr says.
my decision would depend on his answer to my offer, goddamn people :rolleyes:
but hey, don't tell me I can't be forced to hurry up against my will! I WILL take Venice.
I am playing my HC the Black Queen as event, wishing a view on the HRE hand, thankyouverymuch
Quote from: Tamas on January 14, 2013, 11:52:29 AM
I am playing my HC the Black Queen as event, wishing a view on the HRE hand, thankyouverymuch
Sent. 5/2/3, pick your poison.
:hmm:
I'll draw two cards of my own and kick your ass with their awesome special powers!
File is coming shortly
Got any magic assault cards, or should I just roll?
I went with the "just roll" option. Metz falls. File sent; Max up.
Huguenots in Rouen revolt.
Off to sbr
Sorry Tamas I didn't read the thread at all today.
I'm not quite ready to just let you have Venice but we'll see. If you really want to fight on three fronts at that point we will deal with it then.
#43: 1 / Experienced Pilot [RESPONSE]
Message from Ottoman:
Assault Cyprus
Took Cyprus and lost 1 regular
Spain: Play Card as Operations
#28: 2 / Morisco Revolt
Message from Spain:
Build galleon in Gibraltar.
Extend with 1 VP treasure.
Viking up.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Event
#85: 2 / Murad III [MANDATORY]
Message from England:
2/2 Build Race Built Galleon in London
Tamas Up
:mad:
two notes while I am planning my masterful campaign
-Lyon is missing 2 mercs, will correct
-no HRE losses taken at Metz. There were two. I assume the mercs will go
#96: 3 / Richard Topcliffe
Message from France:
3 mercs to Paris
err, I mean,
1/3: remove unrest in Paris
3/3: two mercs to Paris
More importantly:
Rouen had a naval unit. It could not have been converted to protestant religion, ergo no revolt there, thankyouverymuch.
I am sorry for only spotting that now, but it is kinda important.
Rouen was converted last turn. Entry 88 in the game log if you want to look. It's legit.
I moved my galley there. Entry 73. Its a catholic unit. It makes conversion impossible.
Quote from: Tamas on January 15, 2013, 12:01:47 PM
-no HRE losses taken at Metz. There were two. I assume the mercs will go
As per the log, the HRE losses at Metz were replaced from Strassburg.
Quote from: Tamas on January 15, 2013, 12:22:55 PM
I moved my galley there. Entry 73. Its a catholic unit. It makes conversion impossible.
It just makes it require a major conversion I.e. a 6 on the dice
well, shit. File sent
HRE stack built up a bit and moved on Paris, but was barely rebuffed outside the walls.
File sent; Max up.
Can you actually raise mercs in Metz? It's not a home space.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 15, 2013, 01:58:18 PM
Can you actually raise mercs in Metz? It's not a home space.
No, I can't. But you fuckers don't read the journal; I didn't.
Quote from: Entry 198#82: 2 / Death of King Sebastian [MANDATORY]
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
1/2 - merc to Strassburg.
2/2 - Zrinyi, Schwendi, 8+6 march on Metz. Assumed siege.
Quote from: Entry 225#89: 3 / Mary Queen of Scots [RESPONSE]
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
1/3 - Assault Metz.
Quote from: Entry 2272/3 - raise merc Strassburg.
3/3 - 2 mercs from Strassburg to Metz.
The religious uprising in Calais was a debacle even by protestant standards and would not be matched until centuries later at jamestown.
Sbr is up.
Quote from: ulmont on January 15, 2013, 02:58:14 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 15, 2013, 01:58:18 PM
Can you actually raise mercs in Metz? It's not a home space.
No, I can't. But you fuckers don't read the journal; I didn't.
Quote from: Entry 198#82: 2 / Death of King Sebastian [MANDATORY]
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
1/2 - merc to Strassburg.
2/2 - Zrinyi, Schwendi, 8+6 march on Metz. Assumed siege.
Quote from: Entry 225#89: 3 / Mary Queen of Scots [RESPONSE]
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
1/3 - Assault Metz.
Quote from: Entry 2272/3 - raise merc Strassburg.
3/3 - 2 mercs from Strassburg to Metz.
I think he's taking about entry 242
Yeah, the ones you just raised and marched on Paris with.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 15, 2013, 04:26:50 PM
Yeah, the ones you just raised and marched on Paris with.
Nah, at best they were left behind (I had Schwendi / Zrinyi already full). Move them to Strassburg then.
#73: 5 / War in Persia
Message from Ottoman:
2/5 Sokullu's Army Naval transport back to Finica
3,4,5/5 Pasha's Fleet Naval Move to join Dragut in Adriatic
#18: 4 / City State Rebels
Message from Spain:
1-2/4: Place informant in England
3-4/4: Sermon in England
Convert and unrest in Norwich.
So Viking's up, no?
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Event
#22: 3 / Genoese Bankers
Message from England:
Place Drake and Colony in Guinea Coast
2/3 Piracy against Spain (4 vs 0 dice)
3/3 move to south atlantic and place colony in Rio Plata
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 4
5
2
5
6
Message from England:
Drake Piracy against Canary Islands
1 for 1 port
3 for Drake
3 Hits by drake - I'll take two treasures and a VP.
Edit: nos. 2 and 4, thank you very much.
Eh, so, yeah, drake = I win button.
Quote from: Viking on January 18, 2013, 02:05:37 PM
Drake Piracy against Canary Islands
1 for 1 port
3 for Drake
As I look at Drake, I see a "P2" rating...
Quote from: ulmont on January 18, 2013, 02:09:58 PM
Quote from: Viking on January 18, 2013, 02:05:37 PM
Drake Piracy against Canary Islands
1 for 1 port
3 for Drake
As I look at Drake, I see a "P2" rating...
I did the math with the navigation rating didn't I? :blush:
Last die was a hit, so two hits instead of three. Take the treasures, not the vp.
Quote from: Viking on January 18, 2013, 02:22:14 PM
I did the math with the navigation rating didn't I? :blush:
Last die was a hit, so two hits instead of three. Take the treasures, not the vp.
...except that you can't duplicate a piracy reward until you've given out all possible rewards from that zone...
http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?14@@.1dd437e5/1207
http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?14@@.1dd437e5/1209
So, it wasn't a choice at all, first treasure and 1 vp it is then.
Isn't that Drake's special ability?
Quote from: Maximus on January 18, 2013, 02:37:21 PM
Isn't that Drake's special ability?
Not really. Drake's two special abilities are:
1) England chooses the reward for any piracy hit when Drake is present, instead of the target power as usual; and
2) Drake may choose to use up a piracy hit in order to repair his expedition (flip his damaged counter over to the
front side).
So if England scores 1 hit with Drake, Viking could choose a treasure or a VP, say, where Solmyr might have given a different reward. But - just like Solmyr couldn't choose to give 2 treasures here, neither can Viking. You can see Ed Beach agree at the links I posted above.
So wait, which treasure is it then? Number 4? I got confused.
Also, I assume your VP should in fact be 10 now since they were 9 before.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 18, 2013, 03:19:17 PM
So wait, which treasure is it then? Number 4? I got confused.
Treasure #4, yes.
Tamas is up, btw.
#23: 3 / German Recruitment Curtailed
Message from France:
3 mercs to Paris
A second attack on Paris is soundly defeated by the French. File sent, Max up.
So it's going to be that kind of game.
I have no cards, so sbr is up.
GMT has posted the latest living rules, btw: https://www.gmtgames.com/p-341-virgin-queen.aspx
Sbr is still up.
Yep, sorry my pc was out of commission all weekend. I will do ky turn after work today.
Sorry. I got distracted with taking the cat to the vet and messing with my PC. I will do my turn this evening for sure.
Quote
#46: 4 / Spanish Fury [RESPONSE]
Message from Ottoman:
1/4 Ottoman Fleet in Adriatic will attack Venetian Fleet in port
2,3,4/4 Sponsor al-Din for 3 CP.
No CC. Tamas can resolve.
3 Ottoman hits versus 2 Venetian one.
Sink a Venetian galley, ottomans have options. Also, we will see if Dragut got offed or not.
Dragut is: dead.
I told you to stay away! :P
Ottomans got 3 hits and are the winner, so they sink two Venetian galleys and lose either one galley or two corsairs themselves.
Sbr's file ignores Ulmont's move, so I'm going to send my file starting from Ulmont's (number 30) and include Sbr's move in it. Also he forgot that he has to roll the patronized scientist randomly instead of choosing one.
Spain: Play Card as Operations
#9: 1 / Fire Ships [COMBAT]
Message from Spain:
1 influence with Portugal.
Viking up, sbr still to choose whether he wants to lose 1 galley or 2 corsairs.
I wonder how I missed ulmont's turn, weird.
I'll lose 1 galley.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Event
#59: 4 / John Hawkins
Message from England:
Flip all English galleons in home ports to their race-built side.
Tamas is up.
Btw, we seem to have misplaced the Henry III card, he should be the French ruler.
Tamas played Rudolf but doesn't seem to have sent a file. I'm passing out the turn barring amazing events.
As soon as Tamas sends a file, sbr is up.
Maximilian II dies. Rudolf replaces Maximilian as Holy Roman Emperor; place this card in the ruler space of the Holy Roman Empire power card. The capital of the Holy Roman Empire is now Prague. In games with 5 or fewer players, resolve diplomatic status of Holy Roman Empire. Admin Rating: Save 1 card. Card Bonus: 1 extra card.
2 mercs to Paris
Quote from: ulmont on January 24, 2013, 09:04:16 AM
Tamas played Rudolf but doesn't seem to have sent a file. I'm passing out the turn barring amazing events.
As soon as Tamas sends a file, sbr is up.
impatience, ulmont is your name. File sent. I have no idea who put where my French king
Sbr, remember to remove your galley when you make your file.
Ottoman: Play Card as Operations
#91: 2 / Cipher Key
Message from Ottoman:
Build Regular in Istanbul.
I removed my Galley
Spain: Play Card as Operations
#52: 2 / Foxe's Book of Martyrs
Message from Spain:
Build fortress in Cartagena de Indias.
Viking up, still to play HC at least.
And btw people, remember to reveal your HCs in CB when you play them (means releasing ownership so everyone can see them). Especially from next turn when everyone but the Prots will have two possible HCs.
Can't we just turn the home cards over on the board?
Whatever works. Atm nobody is touching them, and sbr even has both his cards on the board. Not that it matters often, but sometimes which HC you may have can affect what others play.
I placed it face up on the board when I played it.
You didn't release ownership, none of us can see it.
Viking is up.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#75: 2 / The Lost Colony [MANDATORY]
Message from England:
2/2 Place informant on Spain
Tamas, Ulmont, Sbr next (although all can pass).
passing
Ulmont was passing too, so up to sbr if he wants to play his last card. Then me again.
I'll pass.
Spain: Play Card as Operations
#92: 3 / Double Agent
Message from Spain:
Patronize Herrera for 3 CP.
Viking up again, still to play HC.
EDIT: I may possibly still play, so don't end turn just yet.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#14: 1 / Signal Fires [RESPONSE]
Message from England:
1/1 Move drake to spanish main
I pass this impulse. 4 Spanish dice, biatch. Bring it on!
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Spanish fortresses will withhold treasure #2, btw.
Btw, since it may not be clear to everyone: Mary of Scots is dead from too much Tamas lovin, which means that the DOW cost between Spain and England is stuck at 5 CP forever (unless someone actually uses the Papal card to excommunicate Elizabeth). Which means that Spain can do fuck all about England except religiously. Which means someone else has to pick up the slack or England will cruise home raking VPs in complete safety.
Playing home card for cp
2/5 Drake pirates the spanish main against 4 dice
QuoteLast journal entry
England: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 4
5
6
2
3
Message from England:
Spanish Main anti pirate dice
oh well, fun while it lasted...
Or, well, Spain can also do that about England. :pirate
4/5 Suppress Heresy
Convert Lincoln
5/5 Remove Disorder in Norwich
Cavendish will have to circumnavigate
Now that Mary and Drake are dead england feels very "generic".
yo, sbr! message from Solmyr
QuoteSolmyr: Yeah. Turks should never make peace with Spain after turn 1, it's only good for Spain.
Played El Dorado for 2 CP to preach sermon in England (poor Drake will never go off in search of its treasures now).
QuoteSpain: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 5
2
6
2
5
5
Message from Spain:
Convert London (major), Dover, Portsmouth. No unrest, sadly.
And with the other anti-Drake card 1 influence in Portugal (the eggplants are also happy about Drake sinking).
I guess everyone is passing so post your winters.
I can do end-of turn stuff again once everyone has posted.
Spanish winter is:
Don John + fleet to Gibraltar
Alba, 3 reg, 1 merc to Milan
Actually the only winters needed are from Ottomans (which port the fleet goes to), HRE (moving back the big army, and diplo-merc choice), and Protestants (returning the captains to colony or back home).
2+2 to Metz, balance to Prague; leave one unit in Vienna and balance to Prague; 2 mercs.
Fleet to Scutari. Sokullu and his army to Istanbul.
Laudonniere goes home, de Sores goes to Rio.
Willem + Anna marriage scores a 10 (rolled 2 and 5, +3 bonus). Anna may reroll the 2, will wait for confirmation from Ulmont to do so.
Henry + Elisabeth marriage scores a 14, giving 1 wedding VP and +1 card to each.
Both scientists score a 9, returning to pool.
Also Max needs to confirm where the fleet in North Sea will go.
Amsterdam
Neither English nor Protestant colony produces anything, but at least they don't disappear this time.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 29, 2013, 08:11:52 AM
Willem + Anna marriage scores a 10 (rolled 2 and 5, +3 bonus). Anna may reroll the 2, will wait for confirmation from Ulmont to do so.
Reroll. It's only upside - a 1 returns these guys to the pool, 2-3 is no effect / no change, and 4-6 improve the result.
Done. They get a 4 for a +1 card each. I think we can end the turn now.
Remember that William returns to the pool since he did not score VP.
Turn 4 hand sizes:
Ottomans: 5 (4, +1 saved)
Spain: 6 (5, +1 ruler)
England: 4 (3, +1 ruler)
France: 6 (4, +1 ruler, +1 saved)
HRE: 8 (4, +1 ruler, +1 saved, +2 markers)
Protestants: 7 (5, +2 markers)
Dealing cards in a sec.
Spain is interested in any Jesuit-related cards anyone may have.
Anyone still diploing?
I want wives for the two bachelors in my royal family
I'm ready.
done and finished... :ph34r:
I believe I'm ready.
sbr should just announce and we can go from there then, it looks like.
No declarations
Spain offers alliance to France.
Nothing, Hispania Delenda Est.
France accepts alliance with Spain
France offers white peace to Ottomans
France also offers white peace to HRE (getting my french space back with that), together with an alliance and a marriage between my dear Marguerite, and Charles II
And finally, France offers marriage between the Protestant Louise and the gallant Henry
Quote from: Tamas on February 03, 2013, 07:57:54 AM
France offers white peace to Ottomans
Not legal - offers move in impulse order, so sbr would have had to offer peace to you.
Quote from: Tamas on February 03, 2013, 07:57:54 AM
France also offers white peace to HRE (getting my french space back with that), together with an alliance and a marriage between my dear Marguerite, and Charles II
Accepted. For clarity, the french space is Reims; I'm keeping Metz.
nothing to report
War declarations then, sbr starts.
No wars.
No wars here either.
No Wars, Hispania Delenda Est.
no wars
Quote from: Viking on February 05, 2013, 07:55:39 AM
No Wars, Hispania Delenda Est.
Rule Hispania, Hispania rule the waves!
No wars. Sbr can deploy.
Everyone will need to send their own SD file. Remember to pick a home card. I suggest placing the one you pick face-down on your power card and keep the unused one in your hand. Then when playing it, release ownership and reveal it before moving it back into your hand.
I need the last file from last turn, I'm not sure what happened to it but I didn't save it properly and deleted the email.
Sorry.
Sent.
Thanks.
SD file sent. I did as Sol said, the card facedown on my Power card is the HC I will play this turn.
Solluku and 8R+2C to Belgrade
Spanish SD is Parma, Alva, plus all but one regular from Milan to Brussels (via Genoa and Marseille). Santa Cruz to Corunna.
Remember to place your arriving leaders with your SD. This includes Norreys for the English and Henry Navarre for the Protestants (who can remain on the power card of course).
EDIT: Oh, and the galleon from treasure fleet escorts will move to Corunna.
Oh wait. Wasn't I supposed to get a new leader to replace Dragut?
Quote from: sbr on February 07, 2013, 11:33:03 AM
Oh wait. Wasn't I supposed to get a new leader to replace Dragut?
Yeah, Uluch Ali, rating 1 / P1.
Quote from: ulmont on February 07, 2013, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: sbr on February 07, 2013, 11:33:03 AM
Oh wait. Wasn't I supposed to get a new leader to replace Dragut?
Yeah, Uluch Ali, rating 1 / P1.
Could someone drop him in Istanbul for me please?
I put him along with your fleet for you, but can move him to Istanbul if you want.
Ok right, I misread the rule. We'll leave him with the fleet.
Naval commander go to any port, land commanders go to any fortified space.
Anyway, Viking is up to SD.
Yeah, it said home space port (or similar) and I saw 'fortified port space' for some reason.
I'm done, Tamas next
sent two mercs to Venice.
Quote from: Viking on February 09, 2013, 01:32:22 AM
I'm done, Tamas next
You need to put Norreys somewhere.
Quote from: Tamas on February 09, 2013, 07:42:59 AM
sent two mercs to Venice.
You need to pick a home card. File sent; Max up for SD.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 09, 2013, 10:30:19 AM
Quote from: Viking on February 09, 2013, 01:32:22 AM
I'm done, Tamas next
You need to put Norreys somewhere.
London, and I forgot, Hispania Delenda Est.
Edit: No need to mock, Cato's ghost is already doing that.
Reinforced the fortress at Utrecht. File sent. Tamas to pick HC and then I think we can move.
Not that we are waiting on Tamas or anything.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 10, 2013, 10:45:11 AM
Not that we are waiting on Tamas or anything.
Unpossible.
oops, sorry. file sent
#72: 4 / War with Poland
Message from Ottoman:
1,2/4 Naval Move: Entire fleet moves to Adriatic (I will assume the Venetian galley will not intercept), then attacks last Venetian Galley in port.
I then pulled a Viking and got no hits in a 13-2 naval battle.
Pirated Spain in Adriatic. Lost 1 Corsair and got 1 piracy hit.
I forgot to place my piracy marker in the file.
Giving VP to Ottomans.
Played Dutch Revolt for 2 VP. Converted Amsterdam and Rotterdam. Extended with treasure to increase Portuguese relations.
Forgot to place unrest marker on Amsterdam in my file. Viking is up.
Quote from: sbr on February 10, 2013, 12:56:58 PM
#72: 4 / War with Poland
Message from Ottoman:
1,2/4 Naval Move: Entire fleet moves to Adriatic (I will assume the Venetian galley will not intercept), then attacks last Venetian Galley in port.
I then pulled a Viking and got no hits in a 13-2 naval battle.
Pirated Spain in Adriatic. Lost 1 Corsair and got 1 piracy hit.
I forgot to place my piracy marker in the file.
You can't call it "A Viking", Yi already got there first and doing "A Viking" is already defined as
QuotePosting a reply in the wrong thread.
Achieving the 99.99th percintiles of dice results still has no good name.
A Drake?
Quote from: Solmyr on February 10, 2013, 01:23:55 PM
A Drake?
I would have gone for "A Gibraltar" based on a rather tragic game of World in Flames.
Btw, you don't get a free espionage for Walsingham. It just gives you better offensive dice for any future attempts (against anyone). And you definitely don't get 6 dice.
Unless you pick the second option on Walsingham of course, which gives you immediate espionage with 4 dice but hits only on 5 or 6.
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 6
3
5
3
4
5
5
Message from England:
James Bond spies on the Dagos. "M" (Walsingham)has arranged it so that hits occur on 4,5 and 6.
4 hits from espionage. No "6" hits so I can't discard any spanish cards. So if I understand this correctly I get to examine Solmyr's hand, neutralize his jesuit and then neutralize his spy on a 4,5 or 6.
No. See above.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 10, 2013, 01:32:29 PM
Btw, you don't get a free espionage for Walsingham. It just gives you better offensive dice for any future attempts (against anyone). And you definitely don't get 6 dice.
Unless you pick the second option on Walsingham of course, which gives you immediate espionage with 4 dice but hits only on 5 or 6.
No, i played a card for 2CP and used Walsingham as a response.
Quote#62: 3 / Northwest Passage
Message from England:
1/3 Place Frobisher with Colony in North Atlantic
3/3 Walsingham (plays home card for offensive posture)sends James Bond to spy on Spain with 6 dice hitting on 4,5 and 6
Waiting on Solmyr to agree with me before moving on to roll for the informant.
Okay but you still only get 4 dice. 2 base and 2 for informant. The +2 dice from Walsingham is only if you play it for the second option.
In other words, 2 hits, though it's essentially the same as far as results are concerned.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 10, 2013, 01:38:17 PM
Okay but you still only get 4 dice. 2 base and 2 for informant. The +2 dice from Walsingham is only if you play it for the second option.
In other words, 2 hits, though it's essentially the same as far as results are concerned.
You are right there..
Badly written reference card fro espionage where it just says "Walsingham Home Card Played".
Oh, well, my two redundant hits are, well redundant. Though solmyr has the option of allowing me to use my first four dice with two minor hits or roll 4 dice again.
Rolled the additional one for you, it was a 3 - so pick one of my guys to neutralize.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 10, 2013, 01:43:10 PM
Rolled the additional one for you, it was a 3 - so pick one of my guys to neutralize.
I picked the jesuit. In the future when I am waiting for your reply before rolling myself DO NOT ROLL FOR ME. You don't mess with another players dice.
Show me your hand.
Quote from: Viking on February 10, 2013, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on February 10, 2013, 01:43:10 PM
Rolled the additional one for you, it was a 3 - so pick one of my guys to neutralize.
I picked the jesuit. In the future when I am waiting for your reply before rolling myself DO NOT ROLL FOR ME. You don't mess with another players dice.
:rolleyes: It's not like your rolls have been so great. :P
Quote from: Viking on February 10, 2013, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on February 10, 2013, 01:43:10 PM
Rolled the additional one for you, it was a 3 - so pick one of my guys to neutralize.
I picked the jesuit. In the future when I am waiting for your reply before rolling myself DO NOT ROLL FOR ME. You don't mess with another players dice.
That sounds almost... superstitious :P
Anything I should know?
anybody who wants info on the spanish hand just contact me.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 10, 2013, 01:48:01 PM
:rolleyes: It's not like your rolls have been so great. :P
quality of rolls is irrelevant
Quote from: Maximus on February 10, 2013, 01:52:50 PM
That sounds almost... superstitious :P
Anything I should know?
not superstition
I consider people fondling my dice an invasion of privacy and I consider people rolling for me presumptive and disenfranchising.
Quote from: Viking on February 10, 2013, 01:53:55 PM
anybody who wants info on the spanish hand just contact me.
Wouldn't it be easier to just post it here? :P
Quote from: Solmyr on February 10, 2013, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Viking on February 10, 2013, 01:53:55 PM
anybody who wants info on the spanish hand just contact me.
Wouldn't it be easier to just post it here? :P
I'm not allowed to show your hand to other people, I'm allowed to see it and then tell other people. Plus it might benefit me that some players know some but not all of your cards.
Anyway, Tamas is up.
Oh, and according to this apparently I should get another VP, thanks to Tamas:
Quote2 / Dragut Falls [RESPONSE]
Play just after a stack containing Dragut has been involved in a combat or piracy attempt. After finishing the combat or piracy procedure, roll a die. On a roll of 4, 5, or 6, eliminate Dragut from the game (place Uluch Ali with the leaders entering next turn). On a 1, 2, or 3, place Dragut on the Turn Track; he reenters play next turn. OR Play if Spain controls the Djerba/Tripoli space. Eliminate Dragut from the game, place Uluch Ali with the leaders entering next turn, and award 1 War Winner VP to Spain. Remove card from play if Dragut is eliminated.
Quote from: Viking on February 10, 2013, 02:00:20 PM
I'm not allowed to show your hand to other people, I'm allowed to see it and then tell other people. Plus it might benefit me that some players know some but not all of your cards.
You are not allowed to talk to anyone privately during the turn. If you reveal anything you have to reveal it to everyone.
#79: 3 / Synod of Emden
Message from France:
3 mercs to Paris
1 merc to Vienna. File sent; Max up.
de Sores pirates the Chilean Coast for a treasure and a VP.
He will probably return home, but I'll wait to see the treasure.
It's a 1 CP treasure.
And you cannot return home from there, since it has Cape Horn in between. You'll have to pirate again in a zone from which you can trace a clear path, or wait until winter. See 16.5, step 7.
Influence Scotland with the last cp.
File sent, over to sbr
#46: 4 / Spanish Fury [RESPONSE]
Message from Ottoman:
1/4 Ali and the fleet attack the Venetian Galley again.
Killed the venetian galley and lost another corsair. moved to pirate Spain in Ionian sea and lost my last 2 corsairs before they got a shot off.
At this point we should just declare Sol winner, there doesn't seem to be any way to stop him.
Wut? France can give me a run for my money with all the VP they can still rake in. And it's not like I have many potential sources myself.
Spanish Inquisition is poor at conversion but good at espionage. "No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!" Also English show me their hand and discard a card.
Then Viking is up.
It seems that if sol could have picked his own dice results rather than rolling he would have gotten the same results as he has so far this turn.
Edit: Seriously, it seems virtually my entire turns hand has been negated by one spanish 2 cp treasure.
I fucking pass.
I wasn't talking about a mathematical analysis of vps, I was talking about the general flow of the game. Every threat to Spain just seems to roll over and die due to absurd luck on dice.
#108: 2 / English Recusants
Message from France:
Spain takes 6 Catholic conversion attempts that can affect spaces in England and/or Scotland. The first die is automatically a "6"; the rest are rolled randomly.
Do it Spain. No file
Quote from: Tamas on February 11, 2013, 09:56:23 AM
#108: 2 / English Recusants
Message from France:
Spain takes 6 Catholic conversion attempts that can affect spaces in England and/or Scotland. The first die is automatically a "6"; the rest are rolled randomly.
Do it Spain. No file
Yeah, 'cause Spain at 23 VP and a scientist out really needs more VPs from religious spaces.
Quote from: ulmont on February 11, 2013, 10:30:54 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 11, 2013, 09:56:23 AM
#108: 2 / English Recusants
Message from France:
Spain takes 6 Catholic conversion attempts that can affect spaces in England and/or Scotland. The first die is automatically a "6"; the rest are rolled randomly.
Do it Spain. No file
Yeah, 'cause Spain at 23 VP and a scientist out really needs more VPs from religious spaces.
With Full Garrisons in Antwerp and Brussels and double stacking patrols in the antillies while at peace with france and the Ottomans.
My scientist has been out for two turns now. :P
You don't want to drop your colony Viking?
Converted Bristol and the Scots with Recusants, with unrest in Bristol. Ulmont up.
Papacy stays Spanish, more mercs to Vienna. I believe this means Solmyr can take yet more conversions. :bleeding:
Gee, I am shocked. :lol:
Quote from: Solmyr on February 11, 2013, 02:22:11 PM
My scientist has been out for two turns now. :P
You don't want to drop your colony Viking?
Converted Bristol and the Scots with Recusants, with unrest in Bristol. Ulmont up.
I want a choice of actions. Abandoning the colony at sea in an option, a necessary one if it prevents you from winning, or at least contributes to it.
Was actually considering excommunication or patronage. :hmm:
Converted Brielle (with unrest) and s'Hertogenbosch.
Max has a ton of cards though, I'm sure he can turn the tide.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 11, 2013, 02:49:02 PM
Max has a ton of cards though, I'm sure he can turn the tide.
It's kind of now or never...time for some Calvinist Zeal or something.
Oh, right. Max - don't bother converting anything in Scotland.
Quote from: ulmont on February 11, 2013, 02:57:25 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on February 11, 2013, 02:49:02 PM
Max has a ton of cards though, I'm sure he can turn the tide.
Oh, right. Max - don't bother converting anything in Scotland.
He has the Scottish Lords card, but it's kind of moot. I don't have the file here at work. Will do my turn in a few hours.
Played Huguenot Lent to convert Poiters, Cognac, La Rochelle, Nantes.
File sent
#92: 3 / Double Agent
Message from Ottoman:
1/3 Build Corsair in Lepanto
3/3 Place Informant in Spain
Patronized Bautista. Viking up.
Btw, France is almost as likely to get to 25 VP this turn as me, and they can get to religious victory much easier.
pass
Waiting on Tamas.
I am a bit puzzled, and very very, very sleepy. Will move in about 8 hours.
Quote from: Tamas on February 14, 2013, 05:29:41 PM
I am a bit puzzled, and very very, very sleepy. Will move in about 8 hours.
<time passes>
I converted Amboise. Yay me
Knox converts the rest of Scotland.
File sent; off to Max.
You can all rest easy now. :P
Henry of Navarre revolts in La Rochelle, taking Cognac, Poiters, Nantes
Quote from: Maximus on February 15, 2013, 08:46:42 PM
Henry of Navarre revolts in La Rochelle, taking Cognac, Poiters, Nantes
Good job staving off the imminent Catholic auto-religious victory by converting more spaces.
It hasn't been imminent for a while now.
Played Grand Vizier and built Suez Canal.
There are 2 files. I forgot to reveal the HC in the first one.
Scotland flips to the Protestants. Viking up.
Viking should update Mary's status to captured in Scotland now.
Quote from: ulmont on February 16, 2013, 01:41:31 PM
Viking should update Mary's status to captured in Scotland now.
I was under the impression that she was dead in childbirth.
Entry 112 in the journal. Charles and Mary get 10 on the marriage roll. Unless I'm missing something.
anyway, I pass
Quote from: Maximus on February 16, 2013, 02:52:54 PM
Entry 112 in the journal. Charles and Mary get 10 on the marriage roll. Unless I'm missing something.
You are right. Somehow I got the idea that she died. This does kinda change what I would have played just now, but oh well.
Backstabbed by Spain!
Must take precautions.
Playing HC for 5 OPS:
2 diplo influence in Papacy
3 influence in Venice
"I had to play it now" when full of Spain was Protestant. Right. You just HAD to :rolleyes:
Full of Spain was Protestant? Mind making sense?
Also, I'm running out of cards, in case you haven't noticed. I'm not going to play every card I have, so I've spent as long as I could delaying this one. Instead, you've been fucking around doing nothing about Scotland. And you *still* continue to fuck around with useless shit even though Protestants are 2 keys away from an autowin.
Also, you cannot influence Papacy, it's been resolved this turn.
I meant Scotland :P
can I build 2 mercs in Paris instead of my Papacy influence?
Send a file to fix it. Or Ulmont can do it in his.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 17, 2013, 02:28:21 PM
Send a file to fix it. Or Ulmont can do it in his.
Included in my file (was only waiting to see how Tamas was going to make the fix).
HRE patronizes El Greco. File sent; Max up.
Mumbling preachers bumble in the Netherlands
no file, sbr is up
#58: 4 / Jeanne of Navarre [RESPONSE]
Message from Ottoman:
1,2/4 Build Expedition with Colony.
3/4 Drop Colony in Mombassa and move Ali Fleet to Adriatic.
4,4 Build Cavalry in Istanbul.
Spain raids Huguenot ports ineffectively. Viking up.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#10: 1 / Siege Engineering [COMBAT]
Message from England:
1/1 Move Frobisher to North Atlantic Coast and Place colony in Jamestown.
also placed the mary marker
Place a "+1 Card" marker on your power card. You draw 1 extra card next turn (representing new revenues from trade with Muscovy). If played by England, place an additional +1 Card marker on the Turn Track on the turn two turns from the current one. England receives an extra card two turns in a row.
no file, sorry
Vienna stack to Innsbruck. Includes French marker. File sent; Max up.
Any reason your file is numbered 31 and ignores the already sent files 31 to 33?
Quote from: Solmyr on February 18, 2013, 04:58:51 PM
Any reason your file is numbered 31 and ignores the already sent files 31 to 33?
Forgot to download and apply Viking's file; 30 was the last I had used. Resent.
Coligny builds a fleet.
over to sbr
#38: 2 / Treasure Fleet [MANDATORY]
Message from Ottoman:
Off to Sol to pick treaures and resolve.
I will patronize a scientist with the 2 CP.
The die chose ali Reis.
Sol could you place him for me in your next file please?
No expeditions in treasure fleet zones, so just placing them in my hand.
Placed a spy in Prague and drew a card from treasure. Viking up.
Actually, I will immediately play Gregorian Calendar as a response to take another move.
With calendar, raised some mercs in Milan, preached in England with moderate success, and had spies fumble around in Prague.
Viking is now up for real. :P
Pass
Tamas then.
Just a preemptive reminder, I have no cards left. I am done for the turn.
#42: 2 / Catherine's Flying Squadron [RESPONSE]
Message from France:
one regular to Paris
no file, sorry
HRE DoWs Spain. 2 regulars to Linz.
Solmyr to place 1 unrest marker in the HRE.
File sent; Max up.
Tsk tsk, attacking your own cousin.
Unrest will go to Innsbruck.
Removed unrest in Amsterdam, no file, off to Sol
Quote from: Solmyr on February 19, 2013, 03:55:24 PM
Tsk tsk, attacking your own cousin.
Perhaps my cousin should have kept VP below
25.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 19, 2013, 03:55:24 PM
Unrest will go to Innsbruck.
Not that it matters a whole lot, but I thought you couldn't put unrest except on an unoccupied space?
EDIT: no, unrest on occupied spaces from Intercession is legal. So much for putting those extra units on my LOC.
QuoteFour events (Homeland Uprising, Morisco Revolt, Puritans, and Rising of the North) specify that markers must be placed in unoccupied spaces; these are spaces that do not contain land or naval units (or leaders) of any power. All other causes of unrest can affect occupied spaces.
Quote#100: 2 / Enterprise of England [MANDATORY]
Message from Spain:
Add up a total count of: the number of Jesuits in England, the number of Catholic spaces in England, the number of spaces in England under Spanish control, and the number of Spanish regulars in England. Award Enterprise of England VP as follows based on that count. 1-2: 1 VP to England, -1 VP to Spain; 3-4: 1 VP to England; 5-6: no VP awarded; 7-10 1 VP to Spain; 11-15: 2 VP to Spain, -1 VP to England; 16+: 3 VP to Spain, -2 VP to England. Card remains in deck each turn. [FAQ: Count spaces under Spanish control even if they are Catholic (i.e., some spaces may count for more than one of these items). Ignore Unrest entirely when making these counts.]
La Empresa de Inglaterra: 1 jesuit, 11 Catholic spaces in England. 2 VP to Spain, -1 to England.
1/2: Merc to Milan
2/2: Move fleets Messina->Tyrrhenian Sea, Gibraltar->Barbary Coast
I'm out of cards. Knock yourselves out. :P
Quote from: Solmyr on February 19, 2013, 05:20:41 PM
I'm out of cards. Knock yourselves out. :P
Well, 4 hits on 8 dice is a longshot at best.
3 more Protestant spaces not in unrest would drop me by 1 VP. I know at least Viking has a card with enough CP to convert.
But I admit it was fantastic luck drawing Dutch Revolt and Enterprise in the same turn while dominating both areas.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 19, 2013, 05:25:05 PM
I know at least Viking has a card with enough CP to convert.
Well, he's up to give it a shot.
See, he actually did it.
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 5
5
2
6
1
4
Message from England:
upcoming, yet another miserable failure
converting major to minor to cancel unrest, Converting london, bristol and norwich and last cp removes disorder from bristol.
This is what you fuckers get for leaving spain alone for so long.
Spain back down to 24.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frationalwiki.org%2Fw%2Fimages%2F0%2F05%2FNOBODY_EXPECTS_THE_SPANISH_INQUISITION%21.jpg&hash=191ec0cf261722b6517eb54e61a4c7cf08b27283)
Tamas is up to further beat me down as soon as Viking sends a file.
I pass
QuoteHoly Roman Empire: Play Card as Operations
#18: 4 / City State Rebels
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
1/4 - remove unrest Innsbruck.
2-3/4 - Innsbruck stack to Trent.
4/4 - Innsbruck stack, less 1 merc, to Milan (siege).
Max up to play his last card; file sent.
I am going to pass out the turn
I'll pass for now
HRE makes 2 attempts to assault Milan, but only kills 1 merc at the cost of 1 merc and 1 regular.
Max up to play that card, if he wants.
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the count is off for protestant spaces. It's showing 3 for the Netherlands and as far as I can see it should be 2. I'm at work, so I don't have access to CB
Groningen, Zutphen, Utrecht. It's 3.
Yea I missed Utrecht somehow. I'll pass
It's down to my wise men, then. I'll do EoT. Might as well roll them first.
And the game keeps going. :P
El Greco gets 2 VP, Reis gets inqusitioned, the Spaniards keep working.
Charles and Marguerite cancel the wedding, returning to pool.
William and Charles keep their looks, the rest age, with Alencon going out.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 20, 2013, 03:23:31 PM
El Greco gets 2 VP, Reis gets inqusitioned, the Spaniards keep working.
El Greco is on +7, not +5, due to the HRE's bonus, pushing him to 3 VP.
De Sores just barely makes it across Cape Horn.
I'll send the file with this stuff, post your winters in the meantime.
Quote from: ulmont on February 20, 2013, 03:32:31 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on February 20, 2013, 03:23:31 PM
El Greco gets 2 VP, Reis gets inqusitioned, the Spaniards keep working.
El Greco is on +7, not +5, due to the HRE's bonus, pushing him to 3 VP.
Except that he's a painter and the only 3 VP awards are for writers.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 20, 2013, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: ulmont on February 20, 2013, 03:32:31 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on February 20, 2013, 03:23:31 PM
El Greco gets 2 VP, Reis gets inqusitioned, the Spaniards keep working.
El Greco is on +7, not +5, due to the HRE's bonus, pushing him to 3 VP.
Except that he's a painter and the only 3 VP awards are for writers.
Details.
Winter:
2r from Metz to Prague, in addition to the stacks in Milan, Trent, and Linz.
Henry +1r from La Rochelle to Rouen
What about your mercs, Ulmont?
Updated the VP, btw:
Ottoman 21
Spain 24
England 11
France 17
Holy Roman Empire 16
Protestants 20
If you ask me, Protestants are as likely to win this as I am. Probably more likely, since I will get bashed down by everyone.
Spanish winter:
Leave 4r in Brussels, the rest to Milan with Parma, Alva goes to Madrid by himself.
Galleys join in Cagliari.
Galleons to Coruna.
Ok, need the following before ending turn:
Ottoman winter (don't forget the fleet and the expedition)
English winter (probably just where Frobisher goes)
France I assume has no winter unless Tamas wants to pull units to Paris.
Next turn's hands:
Ottomans 5 (4, +1 marker)
Spain 6 (5, +1 bonus)
England 4 (3, +1 bonus)
France 6 (3, +1 bonus, +1 marker, +1 saved)
HRE 5 (4, +1 bonus)
Protestants 6 (5, +1 saved)
Frobisher to card, hawkins to card
Fleet to Scutari.
Sokullu and 8R+2C to Istanbul.
Reis' expedition will hang out in Mombassa.
Mombasa is destroyed, kicking Reis out. The other colonies produce nothing.
Dealing cards in a sec.
This turn should be interesting.
Ottomans can win by taking two keys, or one key and good piracy.
Spain can win by converting intensively (or if someone has those nice Dutch Revolt or Enterprise cards).
England cannot win. :P
France probably cannot win except with some good marriages and patronage.
HRE can win by taking two keys and being pro-Catholic or Balanced.
Protestants can win by taking two French keys (the only one that's an immediate win, rather than at the end of the turn).
Quote from: Solmyr on February 21, 2013, 05:52:10 AM
Mombasa is destroyed, kicking Reis out. The other colonies produce nothing.
Dealing cards in a sec.
Seriously, I went and spend a whole bunch of cp to get that colony bonus and still no boon despite the +2. At least both my colonies didn't get that 3/36 chance of burning like they did last time I had two colonies.
Researching two tech advances (with a die roll bonus the second time) produced no vp, 6 colony rolls (5 of which had a +drm) produced 2 destroyed colonies and no treasure.
Is there really anything I could have done differently? I'd like to know. I'm really finding it hard to come up with any answers other than "crappy dice" and "other players letting spain do all the anti-england stuff in peace".
Both answers are correct. Also, colonies are probably not worth spending too much on. I mean, you might get lucky, but usually you'll gain a 2-3 CP treasure, if anything at all. You probably spent the same amount setting it up.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 21, 2013, 06:43:21 AM
Both answers are correct. Also, colonies are probably not worth spending too much on. I mean, you might get lucky, but usually you'll gain a 2-3 CP treasure, if anything at all. You probably spent the same amount setting it up.
I shouldn't need luck for my colonies, I spent a tech advancement on getting the die roll bonus. The 2 cp it has saved me so far in purchasing colonies doesn't seem worth it so far. The median result for a colonial roll should be a treasure for me and one in 12 rolls should get me the virginia dare vp.
The bonus is +1, with average roll of 7 you are still at 8 which is no treasure.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 21, 2013, 06:51:47 AM
The bonus is +1, with average roll of 7 you are still at 8 which is no treasure.
In any case I should be doing better than 0/6.
No argument there. :)
Shouldn't we be resolving the Catholic League?
Quote from: Maximus on February 21, 2013, 09:10:00 AM
Shouldn't we be resolving the Catholic League?
True.
Checked, it did not form.
Any assistance I recieve in preventing the catholic revolt in england or the assassination of good queen bess would be appreciated.
What, you don't trust Walsingham?
Quote from: Solmyr on February 21, 2013, 05:28:28 PM
What, you don't trust Walsingham?
meh, when I only roll 1-3s and you roll dozens of 6s walsinham doesn't do any good.
I think I've talked about as much as I can. :P
Anyone still diplomatizing?
I think I'm done
Sbr can start announcing?
Daughter was home for the weekend, wasn't around computer much. I don't think I have anything outstanding, but I will check my email and post.announcements soonish.
I have nothing to announce.
Spain offers marriage of Isabella Clara Eugenia to Henry III.
Spain offers alliance to France (separate offer from above).
Spain offers white peace to HRE.
I have nothing to declare apart from my usefulness as a whipping boy for spain.
No deals.
Quote from: Viking on February 26, 2013, 06:11:13 AM
I have nothing to declare apart from my usefulness as a whipping boy for spain.
You know I only hit you cause I love you.
France accepts the marriage of Isabella Clara Eugenia to Henry III.
France declines the Spanish alliance offer
France offers Margeruite de Valois hand to Charles II of Austria
Quote from: Solmyr on February 26, 2013, 04:59:08 AM
Spain offers white peace to HRE.
Decline.
Quote from: Tamas on February 26, 2013, 07:48:27 AM
France offers Margeruite de Valois hand to Charles II of Austria
Accept.
No offers to Prots.
Interesting, one more French key will give Protestants 8 VP.
Anyway, DOWs. Spain does not declare any.
Waiting on sbr to post DoWs...
No DoWs
No dows
No dow. Viking up to dow.
if solmyr is going to invade me he is gonna have to pay for his own damn declaration of war... no doze
No DoW
Sbr up to sd then.
Sorry busy in rl, will do my sd this afternoon/evening for sure.
Was T4-43 from Feb 20th the last sent file? It is the last one I have (and I haven't deleted any emails this time) but it still shows my colony in Mombassa and Sokullu in Belgrade.
I think the one you're missing is T5-01, sent by Solmyr.
Thanks Max.
Sokullu and 10R+2C to Lepanto. My HC is on my Power Card.
File sent
Alva +2 to Genoa.
All pirates stay on card, no SD
Quote from: Viking on March 02, 2013, 11:27:53 AM
All pirates stay on card, no SD
You'll need to pick a HC.
Tamas is up to SD and pick a HC.
didnt SD anywhere, but selected my HC like the good guy I am.
Stack sent to Innsbruck; home card chosen; file sent; Max up to SD.
William +4r to Utrecht. File sent.
sbr to play
Played HC for Ops.
4/5 Built 4 Corsairs.
5/5 Naval move: Ali Fleet to Adriatic
Pirated without success, and gained intelligence on HRE. Ulmont to reveal his card to me (don't forget the HC).
Viking up.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 05, 2013, 07:56:44 AM
Pirated without success, and gained intelligence on HRE. Ulmont to reveal his card to me (don't forget the HC).
Revealed the hand. I dunno why you could possibly care about which HC I picked, but it's Patron.
Viking?
Crazy shit...
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#20: 5 / Eloquent Ambassador
Gain 3 CP of diplomatic influence with any power(s) you desire. Then select one power and resolve its diplomatic status (it may be a power on which influence was just placed).
Message from England:
4/5 Raleigh, Cavendish, Frobisher to Guinea coast, Hawkins to North Atlantic
5/5 Raleigh to antilles, Frobisher to Main
Tamas next.
QuoteFrance: Play Card as Event
#53: 4 / Grand Tour
Eliminate unrest from all French home spaces. France then gets to undertake up to two different items from this list: (a) end a war with a Major Power (displace units if necessary), (b) take the Nostradamus' Prophecies card from the discard pile, (c) award a card or treasure to another power, or (d) add 1 regular in Paris and then move a formation from Paris using the rules for spring deployment to another French home space. Remove from deck if played after Catholic League has formed.
[FAQ: Card is removed from play if played after the Catholic League is formed — even if just played for CP.]
Message from France:
-removing unrest from Amboise
-ending war with Ottomans
-placing a regular to Paris and then teleporting, Henry and 6r+2m to Nantes.
OH SNAP!
Innsbruck stack moves to Trent.
File sent; Max up.
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2013, 10:01:19 AM
QuoteFrance: Play Card as Event
#53: 4 / Grand Tour
Eliminate unrest from all French home spaces. France then gets to undertake up to two different items from this list: (a) end a war with a Major Power (displace units if necessary), (b) take the Nostradamus' Prophecies card from the discard pile, (c) award a card or treasure to another power, or (d) add 1 regular in Paris and then move a formation from Paris using the rules for spring deployment to another French home space. Remove from deck if played after Catholic League has formed.
[FAQ: Card is removed from play if played after the Catholic League is formed — even if just played for CP.]
Message from France:
-removing unrest from Amboise
-ending war with Ottomans
-placing a regular to Paris and then teleporting, Henry and 6r+2m to Nantes.
OH SNAP!
How can you deploy to Nantes? It's under Huguenot control.
il est de mon espace de la maison :showoff:
it is my home space :P
or, ALL rules of spring deployment apply? :hmm:
I would assume so, but restricted to home spaces. That's how I read it.
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2013, 10:23:23 AM
or, ALL rules of spring deployment apply? :hmm:
:lol:
merde, that makes sense. Move the same stack to Amboise instead.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 07, 2013, 10:27:30 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2013, 10:23:23 AM
or, ALL rules of spring deployment apply? :hmm:
:lol:
WHAT?! :P if you apply wishful thinking, you CAN read the text as I did.
Spanish troops in Milan mutiny due to lack of pay. Mercs go on a rampage through Milan and Pavia. Spanish crown sends a boatfull of gold earmarked for the Irish rebels to mollify the troops.
off to sbr
#94: 3 / God's Secret Agents
Spain moves all Jesuits on the Spanish power card to unoccupied spaces in England. Spain may move one Jesuit that was already in England to a new space. This space may be occupied but it may not already contain a Jesuit. If any of these spaces that Jesuits are moving into are under Protestant religious influence, immediately convert it to Catholic religious influence.
Message from Ottoman:
2/3 Pirate Spain in Adriatic
3/3 Naval move; main fleet and 1 Corsair in Lepanto meet in Ionian.
I got 2 piracy hits. That gives me 1 VP and one card, I do believe.
Did stuff. Viking is up.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 09, 2013, 12:15:59 PM
Did stuff. Viking is up.
Can you get into the habit of posting what you do here?
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Event
#38: 2 / Treasure Fleet [MANDATORY]
The Spanish treasure fleet appears in a random location. Resolve according to the procedure found in Section 23.2. Card remains in deck each turn.
Message from England:
roll for fleet, pirate fleet then do my 2 cp of actions
Max, too late to join....
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 1
5
Message from England:
fleet location
1-2 NA
3-4 Ant
5-6 SpMain (no phillipines)
fleet unescorted in spanish main where it gets pirated for free by frobisher with three piracy dice
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 3
3
1
5
Message from England:
Frobisher raids spanish treasure fleet
gimme vp or treasure
Cavendish does piracy against spain the gunea coast for
3 dice 2 dice unopposed with last 2 cp
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 2
3
6
Message from England:
Cavendish piracy in guinea coast 1 for 1 port 1 for piracy rating
so, solmyr picks boons, one from treasure fleet and one from guinea coast
Call me crazy but it might have been better to let me handle the treasure fleet rolls, because first of all I must draw another treasure for the Spanish row before the fleet sails, and then I must pick two treasures for the fleet itself. And you get to choose the fleet piracy results yourself. Now that I know what the results are, it's kinda stupid.
Reading rules is good. I sent a file with the fleet treasures picked, you can choose one of them randomly or a VP if you prefer. For the other piracy you get a VP.
Quote from: Viking on March 09, 2013, 12:46:09 PM
Max, too late to join....
Right, the second round is too late.
I wonder why the fuck would anyone care about New World anyway, when the game will end this turn?
Quote from: Solmyr on March 09, 2013, 01:04:02 PM
Call me crazy but it might have been better to let me handle the treasure fleet rolls, because first of all I must draw another treasure for the Spanish row before the fleet sails, and then I must pick two treasures for the fleet itself. And you get to choose the fleet piracy results yourself. Now that I know what the results are, it's kinda stupid.
that only matters if you have an escort... right?
Quote from: Viking on March 09, 2013, 04:33:06 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on March 09, 2013, 01:04:02 PM
Call me crazy but it might have been better to let me handle the treasure fleet rolls, because first of all I must draw another treasure for the Spanish row before the fleet sails, and then I must pick two treasures for the fleet itself. And you get to choose the fleet piracy results yourself. Now that I know what the results are, it's kinda stupid.
that only matters if you have an escort... right?
You can still choose between a VP and a random treasure.
ok, I pick the treasure
I pick nr 2 on the track, first one available from the left.
Once I see the treasure I might return the pirate.
Sol, don't forget to bump me up 1 vp as well.
#41: 3 / Border Reivers [RESPONSE]
Playable by any power that controls York, Carlisle, Berwick, or any space in Scotland. Target another power that controls one of these seven spaces; draw a card from that power's hand and keep it. OR Playable by England, France or the Protestant to immediately gain 4 diplomatic influence in Scotland.
Message from France:
Henry plus stack moves to Nantes, flips it, then proceeds to La Rochelle
HRE controls Trent and moves on Milan. Over to Solmyr to decide if he's avoiding battle or not, and to resolve as needed.
Quote from: Viking on March 09, 2013, 09:46:36 PM
I pick nr 2 on the track, first one available from the left.
Once I see the treasure I might return the pirate.
Sol, don't forget to bump me up 1 vp as well.
You get to pick from the two I moved off the track, the ones on it are still in the New World. You'll get the first one anyhow. It's a 1 CP treasure.
Battle of Milan sees 5 casualties on each side, forcing HRE to pull back to Trent.
Sending file in a sec, Viking still up to spend his 2 CP from the fleet event, then Max's turn.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 10, 2013, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 09, 2013, 09:46:36 PM
I pick nr 2 on the track, first one available from the left.
Once I see the treasure I might return the pirate.
Sol, don't forget to bump me up 1 vp as well.
You get to pick from the two I moved off the track, the ones on it are still in the New World. You'll get the first one anyhow. It's a 1 CP treasure.
Battle of Milan sees 5 casualties on each side, forcing HRE to pull back to Trent.
Sending file in a sec, Viking still up to spend his 2 CP from the fleet event, then Max's turn.
I spent it on piracy in guinea coast
Oh right, up to you then whether to return Frobisher. Max is up.
return
Max?
I know it's not my turn yet, but hust as a heads up I am out of town until Wednesday evening, so I won't be able to make my turn until then; no matter when Max does his.
I'm out camping this week, so internet access is sporadic.
However I did my ineffectual flailing. sbr is up
I could actually take my turn if someone could remind me of the state of the board and then do my file for me.
I am going to play The Lost Colony as a Mandatory Event. IIRC the English and the Prtotesants have viable colonies as targets?
I will then use the 2 CP to pirate the Spanish in the sea zone I am in, the Ionian I believe. I should have 5 corsairs and my P1 leader there. Do the Spanish get any defensive dice?
There's only the English colony in Jamestown.
I get one defensive die for Knights of St John.
Viking can roll for his colony.
2 piracy hits. Card and vp please.
If someone could do the file for me it would be greatly appreciated.
Quote from: sbr on March 12, 2013, 11:13:28 PM
Viking can roll for his colony.
2 piracy hits. Card and vp please.
If someone could do the file for me it would be greatly appreciated.
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 1
3
Message from England:
lost colony, survivors found at croatoan on 5-6
why do I bother... colony lost
Sorry :(
Yep, Ottomans are winning this one.
Spain: Play Card as Event
#91: 2 / Cipher Key
Choose one of these two options: (a) Take your Cipher Key marker and move it onto the "Informants Spying on You" box on another player's Power Card, or (b) remove all enemy cipher key markers from your own power card. While your Cipher Key is on another power, you gain the +1 Cryptography bonus against that power. This effect is not cumulative with the Cryptography science bonus.
[FAQ: It is legal to move your Cipher Key marker off one power's Power Card and directly onto a different power.]
Message from Spain:
Cipher Key on England.
Extending with 1 CP treasure for naval move: 2 galleys to Tyrrhenian Sea, Don John and 2 galleys to Barbary Coast.
Viking is up. Remember to move Frobisher to turn track (you might want to release ownership of the captain counters anyway) and treasure to your hand.
Tamas is up now.
#40: 1 / Tilbury Speech [COMBAT]
Gain 2 extra dice in a field battle, naval combat or assault (but not piracy). If England, gain 4 extra dice. Must be declared before either side rolls.
Message from France:
Assaulting La Rochelle
Protestant can resolve
#46: 4 / Spanish Fury [RESPONSE]
Play after an assault captures a key. Winning power draws and keeps a card from the loser's hand (if any) and another card from the deck. Finally, award a +1 Card marker to the defending player.
I need a card from the Protestant hand. File is coming
Protestants should get a +1 card marker. Also they lost 6 VP from that key, not 2.
I put the +1 card marker on France incorrectly instead of Prots (Max can move it), and how do you get -6 VP for that key?
In the HRE move, mercs were raised in Innsbruck and the Trent stack marched on Milan. Parma can evade, fight, or withdraw behind the walls in your discretion.
File sent, over to Max.
Protestants get the printed VP for each key, no? So 2 VP for first Huguenot key, 4 VP for the second, and 6 VP for the third. At least that's how I understood it, otherwise there's no reason why the Protestant keys VP has plus signs while others don't.
Parma will stay behind the walls.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 14, 2013, 01:55:50 PM
Protestants get the printed VP for each key, no? So 2 VP for first Huguenot key, 4 VP for the second, and 6 VP for the third. At least that's how I understood it, otherwise there's no reason why the Protestant keys VP has plus signs while others don't.
QuoteThe Protestant player adds up base VP as follows: take the VP from the lower "Keys in France" line and add 3 VP for each key they control in the Netherlands.
The reason the Protestant keys VP has plus signs is because you have to combine the Netherlands and French keys for key VP.
Another lacklustre attempt by dutch preachers. How did they even get this revolt off the ground?
over to sbr
Quote from: ulmont on March 14, 2013, 02:01:23 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on March 14, 2013, 01:55:50 PM
Protestants get the printed VP for each key, no? So 2 VP for first Huguenot key, 4 VP for the second, and 6 VP for the third. At least that's how I understood it, otherwise there's no reason why the Protestant keys VP has plus signs while others don't.
QuoteThe Protestant player adds up base VP as follows: take the VP from the lower "Keys in France" line and add 3 VP for each key they control in the Netherlands.
The reason the Protestant keys VP has plus signs is because you have to combine the Netherlands and French keys for key VP.
Ah, okay. In that case Protestant VP need to be readjusted. :P
Quote from: Maximus on March 14, 2013, 02:50:53 PM
Another lacklustre attempt by dutch preachers. How did they even get this revolt off the ground?
Four conversions out of five is lackluster? :huh:
Quote from: Solmyr on March 14, 2013, 03:03:42 PM
Ah, okay. In that case Protestant VP need to be readjusted. :P
I make it:
3 (1 Netherlands Key)
+4 (2 non-Netherlands Keys)
+2 (Piracy)
+1 (Wedding)
+2 (23 Protestant Spaces)
=
12You come up with anything different?
Looks correct now. There should be unrest in Haarlem after the last conversion, bringing prot spaces to 22, though it doesn't affect the VP.
#89: 3 / Mary Queen of Scots [RESPONSE]
Only playable if Mary Queen of Scots is alive. Playable either: (1) as response to add 4 French diplomatic influence with Scotland, (2) as event to add 3 French diplomatic influence with Scotland and then resolve its diplomatic status, (3) as response to add 3 dice to an English Catholic Rebellion, (4) as response to add 3 dice to an Assassination attempt against Elizabeth. First two options not allowed if Mary is captured in England. Remove from deck if played after Mary is dead (even if just played for CP).
________________________
Message from Ottoman:
Hopefully I didn't butcher this by keeping this card after I drew it at the start of the turn. I assumed since it said it could be played for CP after her death I didn't have to discard it immediately.
I am playing as an event now to remove from play even though I am using it for OPs.
1/3 Fleet to North African Coast
3/3 Pirate in N African Coast
________________________________________________________________________________
And my luck finally runs out.
One lost Corsair and no hits.
Let's try the Spanish lolwin button. Playing HC for a 5 CP English Catholic rebellion. 12 Spanish dice vs 5 English. I'm guessing Viking will respond with defensive Walsingham and prolong the misery? :p
Quote from: Solmyr on March 16, 2013, 02:55:56 PM
Let's try the Spanish lolwin button. Playing HC for a 5 CP English Catholic rebellion. 12 Spanish dice vs 5 English. I'm guessing Viking will respond with defensive Walsingham and prolong the misery? :p
Walsingham tries to prolong the misery, in the defensive manner
QuoteRequest: 6-sided die x 17
5
4
5
6
1
6
4
6
5
6
1
3
4
3
2
1
5
Message from Spain:
English Catholic rebellion, 12 Spanish vs 5 English. Spanish dice hit only on 6s.
Walsingham just narrowly keeps Spain from winning by turning 7 Spanish hits into 4, against one English hit. 6 conversion attempts followed by 4 CP rebellion.
again.. seriously... I just have to wonder what the fuck I am doing rolling dice again... 12 dice give 7 nominal hits and my 5 dice give me 1 nominal hit. This happens every fucking time. It's fucking heartbreaking....
Spanish agents convert London and Norwich, and raise a rebellion in York. Northern England rises for the true faith.
Viking is up (don't forget to reveal your HC :p ).
I do still think Ottomans are likely to win this turn, mind you. They have an uber scientist who can bring in 2 VP relatively easily with maximum patronage. And everyone will be stopping me while not touching the Ottomans. ;)
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 5
3
6
5
6
2
Message from England:
Converting England. Expect failure; since, y'know, what else is new.
Continue turn with pathetic 1 cp treasure and remove unrest in lincoln
Converting Portsmouth, Dover and London.
You can't remove unrest in Lincoln unless you move there, since Spanish Yorkists are adjacent to it.
QuoteRemoving Unrest
A power may spend 1 CP on the Control Unfortified Space action to
remove unrest from a space if at least one of these conditions is met:
a. land units controlled by the active power occupy the space,
b. land units controlled by the active power are adjacent to the
space and land units of an enemy power are not adjacent. [For
the purposes of this condition, two spaces connected by a pass
should not be considered adjacent.]
Removing unrest does not require an LOC to a space in order to
remove unrest (unlike gain
so, rather than remove the unrest, cavendish sails to chilean coast
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 2
3
6
Message from England:
Navigation roll for cavendish. 3 or less he is eliminated, 5 or less damaged.
to be honest I was expecting him to sink....
He'll have plenty of chances to sink. :P Brave guy, wintering in the Pacific.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 16, 2013, 05:26:29 PM
He'll have plenty of chances to sink. :P Brave guy, wintering in the Pacific.
what, is the game gonna last that long?
You never know, people seem fairly good at keeping me at 24 VP.
Tamas is up.
Playing HC Governante de France to add +2 to Margeruite's wedding.
HRE assaults Milan, killing half the defenders but not sealing the deal.
File sent; Max up.
Quote from: ulmont on March 18, 2013, 08:44:36 AM
HRE assaults Milan, killing half the defenders but not sealing the deal.
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Do you want me to redo it? I realized after I rolled that I hadn't specified where, but I figured the "yet another" along with the two previous attempts this turn in the Netherlands would be an indicator.
Quote from: Maximus on March 18, 2013, 03:15:07 PM
Do you want me to redo it? I realized after I rolled that I hadn't specified where, but I figured the "yet another" along with the two previous attempts this turn in the Netherlands would be an indicator.
Nah. It's not like you'd have been better off with a roll in another religious zone, and Sol doesn't have any cards anyway so it's not like he would have done anything differently.
Just saying for the future, as by the rules you have to specify the target region first.
Sbr is up.
Played Muscovy Company for an extra card next turn.
No file, could the next person drop that marker for me please?
Tamas is next.
put two influence on Venice. File is being sent.
Milan falls to HRE assault; HRE remnants march on Genoa. I assume Solmyr retreats behind the walls.
File sent; Max up.
Genoa has my ships protecting it from sieges, you know.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 19, 2013, 12:44:58 PM
Genoa has my ships protecting it from sieges, you know.
I kept looking at Genoa and Gulf of Lyon wondering why the hell you didn't have a single ship there, but missed the Tyrrhenian.
Correction:
2-4/4: patronize Brahe.
Correction file sent; Max still up. I'm passing out the turn, leaving Milan fully stacked, taking the remnants to Prague and taking the 2 mercs in winter.
Spanish winter will be Alva returning alone to Madrid, Don John+ships to Tunis, and the joint Spanish/papal fleet to Messina.
And Max should remove Santa Cruz in his file.
Maurice joins the fray and the combined Dutch forces march on Antwerp.
Santa Cruz is finally interred.
sbr is up
47: 4 / Belgic Confession
Take 8 Protestant Conversion attempts that can affect spaces in the Netherlands. The first die is automatically a "6"; the rest are rolled randomly. Treat all rolls of "3" as if they were "4".
Message from Ottoman:
Nice work people.
I will sponsor my uber-scientist for 4CP.
If someone wants to take care of the file go for it, otherwise I will do it when I get home in a few hours.
1 influence on Venice, 1 on Papacy
file sent
Max up.
#90: 1 / Priest Holes [RESPONSE]
Cancel the neutralization of 1 Jesuit. This Jesuit removal could be from a successful Gain Intelligence result or the Richard Topcliffe or Walsingham events. If more than 1 is being neutralized, you choose which one remains.
Message from Ottoman:
1 Cavalry in Istanbul.
I am passing out the turn.
Winter: Solluku to Istanbul. Can't remember the options for my fleet at the moment.
I believe your only option is Tripoli
The only place your fleet can go to is Djerba/Tripoli, actually.
Tamas still to play at least 2 cards.
**I rescind my passing out of my turn. **
I am debating using my last card to move my fleet somewhere else before winter.
1 influence on Venice, 1 on Papacy
Oh screw it, I'm done. Go ahead Tamas.
#24: 5 / Holy League
Playable by any power eligible to have diplomatic influence with the Papacy, Venice or Holy Roman Empire (if not a player power). Not playable if Ottoman VP are below 13. Gain 4 influence dividing it as desired between these powers and then resolve the diplomatic status of any two of these powers.
Message from France:
+4 influence to Papacy (6), resolving Papacy and Venice
Papacy switches over to France, Venice remains French as well.
Also:
#70: 3 / Tridentine Catechism
Take 8 Catholic Conversion attempts that can affect spaces in any two Religious Struggle Areas (even areas that your power can not usually affect with its actions). The first die is automatically a "6"; the rest are rolled randomly.
Message from France:
Rolling 8 (7, actually) conversion attempts in Scottish and French zones
What kind of gypsy magic are you up to?
I can handle end of turn btw, as usual, as soon as Tamas sends his file.
France: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 7
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Stop using up all the big numbers. :mad:
Quote from: sbr on March 19, 2013, 02:15:47 PM
What kind of gypsy magic are you up to?
He has to find some way to give Spain points for no gain, he hasn't done it yet this turn.
He did do pretty good, didn't he?
Quote from: Maximus on March 19, 2013, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: sbr on March 19, 2013, 02:15:47 PM
What kind of gypsy magic are you up to?
He has to find some way to give Spain points for no gain, he hasn't done it yet this turn.
I can always rely on Tamas. :)
So I need an 8 or better on the Patronage roll, right?
Need 13 and I get 3 + 2?
converting Edinburgh (a six), Perth, Rouen (an other six), Boulogne, Nantes, La Rochelle.
unrest to Amiens
French winter is Henry plus 3 regulars to Paris, papal fleet to Rome
Before you get all heated up on the gave-Spain-a-VP talk, I havent given him nothing. Took a VP, gave a VP. I left it exactly where your sorry asses left it :P
Quote from: Tamas on March 19, 2013, 02:26:37 PM
Before you get all heated up on the gave-Spain-a-VP talk, I havent given him nothing. Took a VP, gave a VP. I left it exactly where your sorry asses left it :P
Took a VP that he can easily get back, gave a free VP that doesn't help you much...
Quote from: Tamas on March 19, 2013, 02:26:02 PM
converting Edinburgh (a six), Perth, Rouen (an other six), Boulogne, Nantes, La Rochelle.
unrest to Amiens
Can't unrest Amiens, it wasn't converted in this action.
Anyhow I'll do eot, I'll start with marriage and patronage since it determines whether anything else matters.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 19, 2013, 02:27:51 PM
Quote from: Tamas on March 19, 2013, 02:26:02 PM
converting Edinburgh (a six), Perth, Rouen (an other six), Boulogne, Nantes, La Rochelle.
unrest to Amiens
Can't unrest Amiens, it wasn't converted in this action.
sorry. Make it Boulogne
Isabella dies in childbirth. HRE and France gain 1 VP each (and France 1 VP more for Marguerite).
People age, only William and Rudolf still left.
Titian runs away with the cash.
Taqi al-Din gains 1 VP or a bonus, I assume sbr takes the VP.
Brahe gains 2 VP and a bonus.
And game continues, at least until the Ottomans pirate me one more time.
Yep, I take the VP please.
Ulmont should say which science bonus he wants.
I'll take Cryptography.
Why'd you calculate +3 VP for France (marriage, Marguerite, Paris) and then give them +4?
Because Paris gives 2 VP from now on.
At least while Henry III rules. Also for Protestants, if they have Navarre in there, and for Spain if they have Guise in there. 1 VP only if those conditions are not true.
VP
Ottoman 24
Spain 23
England 11
France 23
Holy Roman Empire 21
Protestants 12
France is suddenly in the running, although Ottomans still have the easiest path to victory.
Hand sizes
Ottomans 7 (4 base, +1 marker, +1 Suez, +1 saved)
Spain 6 (5 base, +1 ruler)
England 3 (2 base, +1 ruler)
France 5 (4 base, +1 ruler)
HRE 7 (5 base, +1 ruler, +1 saved)
Protestants 6 (5 base, +1 marker)
Dealing cards and sending file in a sec.
All done.
Btw, that Tamasite conversion might just have prevented Ulmont from winning. If his religious preference is balance he would have got 4 VP from it for a total of 25.
:cool:
Quote from: Solmyr on March 19, 2013, 03:12:15 PM
Btw, that Tamasite conversion might just have prevented Ulmont from winning. If his religious preference is balance he would have got 4 VP from it for a total of 25.
I went Protestant. :bleeding:
My analysis of current situation:
Ottomans can win just by piracy. If they want to seal the deal, they can go for Vienna or the French Italian keys.
Spain can only really win by the Catholic rebellion, assuming enough hits that Walsingham fails to stop. Spain is unlikely to gain any keys or convert enough for a religious win.
England still cannot win. :P
France can win by holding on to Paris for another 2 VP (if nobody assassinates Henry), although it will need to hold its Italian keys too, and ensure that it has more VP than the Ottomans at the end.
HRE could potentially achieve an autowin with two more keys. Or patronize Galileo and Spranger for VP.
Protestants really need to concentrate on France if they want to win (or stop France from winning). Paris is worth 4 VP to them (2 for key, 2 for control of Paris if Henry Navarre is there). Of course, this is harder now that Henry III has an uber stack there while Huguenots did nothing last turn.
I'm ready.
Ready.
Ready
As if I matter anymore.. I'm ready
sbr should just announce then.
But first he should read my email.
No announcements
No announcements.
meh
France offers alliance to HRE
Accept French alliance offer, no other offers.
With nothing offered in Max's direction, it's back to Solymr to ransom Parma or not.
No, also no DOWs.
Quote from: Tamas on March 25, 2013, 03:56:01 PM
France offers alliance to HRE
Great idea allying with someone about to get an autowin. ;)
No dows
Quote from: Solmyr on March 25, 2013, 05:20:10 PM
Quote from: Tamas on March 25, 2013, 03:56:01 PM
France offers alliance to HRE
Great idea allying with someone about to get an autowin. ;)
well I am expecting you to stop him :P
No DoW
No dow. Viking and max up to announce any dows, but sbr should go ahead and sd as I wouldn't expect anything.
I already have enough enemies. No DOWS.
Solluku and 10R+2C to Buda.
HC moved to Power Card
File sent
Alva +1R to Genoa.
Hawkins to fleet no file, will do on my first move.
selected HC. No SD
Sent SD (Schwendi and crew to France) and HC, but forgot to add the French/HRE alliance marker.
Tamas doing random shit that helps someone else? Unpossible!
Quote from: Solmyr on March 28, 2013, 11:38:24 AM
Tamas doing random shit that helps someone else? Unpossible!
what are you talking about?
Quote from: Tamas on March 29, 2013, 02:47:57 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on March 28, 2013, 11:38:24 AM
Tamas doing random shit that helps someone else? Unpossible!
what are you talking about?
I guess you failed to notice that HRE is 2 keys away from autowin? Helping it take more Spanish keys is great!
Quote from: Solmyr on March 29, 2013, 06:28:41 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 29, 2013, 02:47:57 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on March 28, 2013, 11:38:24 AM
Tamas doing random shit that helps someone else? Unpossible!
what are you talking about?
I guess you failed to notice that HRE is 2 keys away from autowin? Helping it take more Spanish keys is great!
I felt like forcing Spain to put an effort into defending :P
There's actually no reason for me to bother doing that, because I don't have enough cards or units to defend against the HRE doomstack which you helpfully let through. I suspect that after the fall of Madrid, the HRE will play a card that will take away your Pope or Venice, netting them the win.
The Ottomans might be able to do something, although I suspect Ulmont will just pay a card to avoid their DoW.
No SD
Sbr is up to play then.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 29, 2013, 07:33:41 AM
There's actually no reason for me to bother doing that, because I don't have enough cards or units to defend against the HRE doomstack which you helpfully let through. I suspect that after the fall of Madrid, the HRE will play a card that will take away your Pope or Venice, netting them the win.
The Ottomans might be able to do something, although I suspect Ulmont will just pay a card to avoid their DoW.
meh
I will use my HC Ottoman Tribute to declare war on the HRE.
My understanding is that tribute is optional to both sides, and I won't accept any.
1/2 Move Solluku and 11R+1C to Pressburg.
2/2 Build Cosair with Ali's fleet in Tripoli.
Your understanding is wrong and I'll pay.
Quote from: ulmont on March 30, 2013, 11:02:56 AM
Your understanding is wrong and I'll pay.
Based on what?
The card itself implies I have a choice in accepting: "If tribute is accepted by the Ottoman...." I also had a PM conversation with someone here who is knowledgeable but not in the game an they confirmed that.
The card says flatly that Spain or the HRE may offer tribute to cancel re declaration of war.
Take it to consimworld, because it certainly wasn't my understanding (and thus sd etc etc)
Quote from: ulmont on March 30, 2013, 11:08:27 AM
The card says flatly that Spain or the HRE may offer tribute to cancel re declaration of war.
Take it to consimworld, because it certainly wasn't my understanding (and thus sd etc etc)
Right, but the use of the words "offer" and "if ... accepted"seems to make it clear it is a two way street and both powers have to agree.
The FAQ on page 30 of the Scenario book also use the phrase "If tribute is accepted..."
I have never been to consimworld so if you wouldn't mind asking the question there.
EDIT: Someone named Phillp Jelley on BGG says the same thing
(http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/892004/ottoman-tribute-card)
QuoteNon-player Home Cards are removed from play, they are not used.
With the Ottoman Tribute Home Card
1) Ottomans declares war one of Spain, HRE or Venice
2) Spain may cancel this declaration of war on Spain, HRE or Venice by offering the Ottomans a random card from his hand.
3) If Spain declines and the HRE is not a non-player power then HRE may cancel this declaration of war on Spain, HRE or Venice by offering the Ottomans a random card from his hand.
4) The Ottomans may accept the tribute and take the random card and a card from the deck, or may not accept it and carry on with spending his 2 CP (NB the Ottomans may quicken things up a bit by declining any tribute when he plays the card).
Philip
Tbh I also thought the card worked the way Ulmont says, though now I can see the reasoning for sbr's view. I'm okay with Ulmont changing his SD though as it was obviously dependent on reading the card the former way. And sbr can presumably redo his 2 CP based on any new HRE SD.
EDIT: I posted this question to BGG (don't have access to CSW), just to be sure: http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/954466/ottoman-tribute-hc-can-ottomans-refuse-tribute-a
Confirmed on BGG that the Ottomans can refuse tribute.
Ottoman tribute seems a lot more useful than HRE intervention then. SD would be to The ottoman border rather than France then, with intervention as the card in hand.
I assume you can redo your SD/HC and send a file, after which sbr can redo his play if he wants.
I can, but not sure when I'll be back at a computer, which is why I posted.
Which space will your SD go to? Pressburg?
Whatever the key is on the border
Pressburg then, I guess. Sbr up to redo his play.
Moved the Ottoman stack back to Buda. I left the Corsair because I am building it anyway.
Moved the HRE stack to Pressburg.
_______________________________________________________
#106: 3 / Drake/Hawkins Expedition
If both Hawkins and Drake are alive and off-map, England immediately places an expedition led by both these captains. Use Drake's ratings and bonus. Expedition may destroy a fortress in their ocean zone with each piracy roll of "6", in addition to the normal benefit of a piracy hit. Each sea captain may be damaged once before either must be eliminated. Remove from deck if played as event.
Message from Ottoman:
1/3 Build Corsair.
3/3 Move Fleet to Ionian Sea.
Spain: Play Card as Event
#69: 3 / Tenth Penny
Protestant player immediately takes a Rebellion action in the Netherlands as if 5 CP were spent. OR Spanish player draws 1 card at random from the Protestant player and keeps it in his hand for a future impulse.
Message from Spain:
Drawing a card from the Protestant. Will extend with a treasure, but want to see the card first.
Collected tithe from the Dutch, converted London and Portsmouth to Catholicism. London goes into unrest. Over to Viking.
Quote#5: 2 / Papal Bull [MANDATORY]
Immediately resolve the diplomatic status of the Papacy. Power now controlling Papacy may either: (1) Excommunicate Elizabeth, adding the "Elizabeth Excommunicated" marker to the Diplomatic Status Display OR (2) Take 7 Catholic Conversion attempts affecting spaces in France or the Netherlands OR (3) Patronize an artist or scientist of your choice from Italy as if 3 CP were spent OR (4) Retrieve Holy League from the discard pile and play it immediately as an event. Card remains in deck each turn.
[FAQ: Elizabeth may only be excommunicated once per game.]
Message from England:
My monstrously bad hand continues. .
1/2 move idiot with 4R2Merc to lincoln
2/2 remove disorder lincoln.
I continue to suck.
QuoteRequest: 6-sided die x 3
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Message from England:
Spain (+1), France and HRE resolving papacy
Spain gets papacy.
Sol can resolve.
Nice rolls. :pope:
Spain will patronize Galileo. Will send a file with all that.
Tamas up next.
Dude, Viking, WTF? Retarted rolls are retarded.
Spent 2 CP on Scottish influence.
Quote from: Tamas on April 02, 2013, 01:58:33 AM
Dude, Viking, WTF? Retarted rolls are retarded.
Spent 2 CP on Scottish influence.
WTF do you expect from my dice rolling? Sensible results reasonably consistent with statistics and probability?
Built some mercs, whee. File sent; Max up.
Quote from: ulmont on April 02, 2013, 09:20:53 AM
Built some mercs, whee. File sent; Max up.
You planning to run out of counters yet? :P
Port raided Calais, built mercs in Rouen. sbr up
Quote from: Maximus on April 02, 2013, 11:35:48 AM
Port raided Calais, built mercs in Rouen. sbr up
Ships roll 2 dice each, so it should be 6 vs 3 dice.
Fixed, dutch lost a galleon as well, someone can put that in their file.
Pirated in Ionian Sea.
Got one hit, lost no ships.
You ignored the Protestant file, but I'll include it in mine.
Piracy will eliminate the galley in Messina.
Spain patronized Bautista and moved some ships in the Med.
Viking is up.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 02, 2013, 06:28:50 PM
You ignored the Protestant file, but I'll include it in mine.
Piracy will eliminate the galley in Messina.
Spain patronized Bautista and moved some ships in the Med.
Viking is up.
will do, and nobody laugh when I refer to my stack as "doomstack". I have my dignity.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#9: 1 / Fire Ships [COMBAT]
Gain 2 extra dice in a naval combat. Increase this number to 4 extra dice if attacking an enemy fleet in a port space or if fighting against the Spanish Armada.
Message from England:
1/1 move "doomstack" to york
You ignored my file entirely. :bleeding: I suggest Tamas uses my file and moves the English doomstack in his.
#45: 1 / Scurvy [RESPONSE]
Modify a Navigation roll by -1 after the dice are rolled OR Force any expedition to undergo a Navigation roll.
Message from France:
1 inf to Scotland
5 mercs to Pressburg. Counter limits almost hit.
Quote from: ulmont on April 03, 2013, 08:29:31 AM
5 mercs to Pressburg. Counter limits almost hit.
You sent a wrong file.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 03, 2013, 09:02:06 AM
Quote from: ulmont on April 03, 2013, 08:29:31 AM
5 mercs to Pressburg. Counter limits almost hit.
You sent a wrong file.
Sent another one; hopefully this is the right one.
Yep, looks good now. Max is up.
Dutch attack Calais. Huguenots attack Paris. Tamas can resolve.
That's pretty brave, 9 dice vs 10. Of course, Tamas could roll like Viking. Are you taking only Henry Navarre from Rouen, since he can move your entire stack?
He can? I have 10 units there
I see 7 units in CB. Did we miss some along the way?
Probably the 3 mercs I added last turn
Oh yeah, true. So it's 12 Prot vs 10 French dice then, unless Tamas plays a CC.
Yea, the stack is Henry+Colligny+7r+3m
Quote from: Solmyr on April 03, 2013, 10:50:39 AM
That's pretty brave, 9 dice vs 10. Of course, Tamas could roll like Viking. Are you taking only Henry Navarre from Rouen, since he can move your entire stack?
hey Tamas, should I roll for you for shits and giggles... when I roll for others I roll masterfully. I suspect I'd get 8 or 9 hits from 10 dice.
But seriously people. I'm trying to figure out what if anything I did wrong here. Bad dice shouldn't leave me in a position where no victory is possible.
My basic early plan was to quickly garrison dublin to make the Irish revolt card unlikely to succeed without a anti-merc card played in support. Build up my fleet to see it converted to race built galleons when possible. Not to bother with scotland since I'd never keep it since I'd constantly be at a disadvantage to protestants or france. My cunning plan was to use the excellent Dee twice since I had first dibs on science due to having a level 3 scientist at start and could get that observatory and the plantations bonus to support my plan of having max colonies.
Apart from my failure to gain any treasures from colonies, gain any vp from scientists, operate at a large net loss in piracy I managed to keep Ireland. Was my basic plan fundamentally flawed? Or were Sol's defenses in the indies the deciding factor.
His conversions in england were dice luck and card luck related since he just hit twice as often as I did and my cards were crap.
What, if anything, did I do wrong? imho, one does not get as crap results as I got by merely rolling badly.
Quote from: Viking on April 03, 2013, 12:21:31 PM
Apart from my failure to gain any treasures from colonies, gain any vp from scientists, operate at a large net loss in piracy I managed to keep Ireland. Was my basic plan fundamentally flawed? Or were Sol's defenses in the indies the deciding factor.
They were. Losing Drake robbed you of major VP. Of course, that's not entirely your fault as I had time to build up NW defenses.
Not getting treasures from colonies or VP from scientists *is* rolling badly. :P
Quote from: Solmyr on April 03, 2013, 12:47:12 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 03, 2013, 12:21:31 PM
Apart from my failure to gain any treasures from colonies, gain any vp from scientists, operate at a large net loss in piracy I managed to keep Ireland. Was my basic plan fundamentally flawed? Or were Sol's defenses in the indies the deciding factor.
They were. Losing Drake robbed you of major VP. Of course, that's not entirely your fault as I had time to build up NW defenses.
Not getting treasures from colonies or VP from scientists *is* rolling badly. :P
given that you prefer to give me vp when I do hit then it wasn't too much of a loss. Seriously.
Did I do anything wrong? Strategy or tacticswise?
Quote from: Viking on April 03, 2013, 12:59:06 PM
given that you prefer to give me vp when I do hit then it wasn't too much of a loss. Seriously.
Did I do anything wrong? Strategy or tacticswise?
Tactics-wise, I never would have risked Drake the way you did.
Quote from: ulmont on April 03, 2013, 01:47:16 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 03, 2013, 12:59:06 PM
given that you prefer to give me vp when I do hit then it wasn't too much of a loss. Seriously.
Did I do anything wrong? Strategy or tacticswise?
Tactics-wise, I never would have risked Drake the way you did.
I was already well out of it by then... but, yes, I knew that at the time but was past caring...
Somebody plz roll the battle
rolled it. 3 hits each.
Which removes the Prot and French mercs, and leaves Henry of Navarre in Rouen. Max should probably send out a final file.
Or sbr can do that in his file since he's playing next (just need to remove the French mercs in Paris, the Prot mercs aren't on the board).
Quote from: Solmyr on April 04, 2013, 03:00:43 PM
Or sbr can do that in his file since he's playing next (just need to remove the French mercs in Paris, the Prot mercs aren't on the board).
Yeah, but then sbr also has to move "Maurice + William + 5r to Calais".
Well, whoever gets to a computer first can do it. :P
Sent, sorry about that
Sbr is up.
Pirated the French in Adriatic and scored one hit.
I am playing my HC for 5 CP English Catholic rebellion. Spain gets 5+2 (informant)+1 (cipher key)+1 (Jesuit)+3 (Mary alive)+4 (Spanish regulars in England)=16 attack dice, vs 5 English defense dice. Viking to decide if he plays defensive Walsingham in response.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2013, 04:09:58 AM
I am playing my HC for 5 CP English Catholic rebellion. Spain gets 5+2 (informant)+1 (cipher key)+1 (Jesuit)+3 (Mary alive)+4 (Spanish regulars in England)=16 attack dice, vs 5 English defense dice. Viking to decide if he plays defensive Walsingham in response.
Walsingham defensive
I'll just end the game and roll this....
16 spanish dice vs. 5 english dice
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 16
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Message from England:
Evil spanish game winning dice roll (hits on 6)
3 hits
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 5
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Message from England:
Doomed english defense rolls (hits on 5 and 6)
2 hits, Spain has 1 net hit. Reveal English hand to Spain.
Playing the revealed card to end the english turn. I'm surprised the game isn't over yet.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Event
#83: 2 / Dutch Revolt [MANDATORY]
Count the number of spaces under Spanish political control (and not in Unrest) in the Netherlands. Award Dutch Revolt VP as follows based on that count. 0 spaces: 3 VP to the Protestant, 1-7 spaces: 2 VP to Protestant, 1 VP to England; 8-11 spaces: 1 VP to Protestant, Spain and England; 12-19 spaces: 2 VP to Spain; 20-21 spaces: 3 VP to Spain. Card remains in deck each turn.
Message from England:
1/2 remove unrest in london
2/2 assault York
12 spaces under spanish control, so
2 VP to spain.
The assault is 4 dice vs 3 dice attacking york. Solmyr can play defensive cards and roll.
Note, I did warn max I had dutch revolt, blame him for keeping spain at 12 areas.
Edit: by the way, my hand this turn
1 cp fireships
2 cp papal bull
2 cp dutch revolt
brilliant hand if you ask me. If I had to contruct an english hand more useful for spain I think only replacing fireships with enterprise of england would have made my hand worse.
BTW, GG everybody.. in principle I'm up for another one.. but, I'll only do that if somebody can link me to an AAR where england wins....
Spain extends its impulse play with a treasure to draw a card, then resolves the York assault.
QuoteSpain: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 7
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Message from Spain:
Assault on York, 4 English vs 3 Spanish dice.
English Protestants and Catholics exchange some ineffectual fire at York with no casualties on either side. Catholic Yorkists hold out while the Dutch submit to the inevitable.
File sent. Tamas is next, after he decides whether to give the Ottomans a VP or a card.
Quote from: Viking on April 06, 2013, 07:41:16 AM
BTW, GG everybody.. in principle I'm up for another one.. but, I'll only do that if somebody can link me to an AAR where england wins....
Wasn't there an earlier Languish game where Ulmont (IIRC) won as England?
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2013, 09:18:24 AM
Spain extends its impulse play with a treasure to draw a card, then resolves the York assault.
QuoteSpain: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 7
4
2
2
3
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Message from Spain:
Assault on York, 4 English vs 3 Spanish dice.
English Protestants and Catholics exchange some ineffectual fire at York with no casualties on either side. Catholic Yorkists hold out while the Dutch submit to the inevitable.
File sent. Tamas is next, after he decides whether to give the Ottomans a VP or a card.
yeah, I sort of used my entire hand this turn to set this assault up...
:console:
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2013, 09:19:15 AM
Quote from: Viking on April 06, 2013, 07:41:16 AM
BTW, GG everybody.. in principle I'm up for another one.. but, I'll only do that if somebody can link me to an AAR where england wins....
Wasn't there an earlier Languish game where Ulmont (IIRC) won as England?
I was very close (at 25 VP). Habbaku claims he had the means to tie my VP and win on the tie-breaker, but the game never ended (garbon just stopped playing).
Btw Viking, will you execute Mary of Scots? The rebellion results allows you to do that for -1 VP.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2013, 04:30:32 PM
Btw Viking, will you execute Mary of Scots? The rebellion results allows you to do that for -1 VP.
the bitch must die... but only if I remain in positive VP after doing so :cry:
After reading through the BBG forums what I should have done with drake was to either circumnavigate with him OR put him on the RN and pirate in europe.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2013, 09:18:24 AM
Tamas is next, after he decides whether to give the Ottomans a VP or a card.
Gave a card.
Playing HC, Guvernante de France to end my war with the evil Protestants.
France: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 1
1
Message from France:
french HC event roll
well, of course :P
so anyways, I guess this ends the siege of Calais
Max is up to implement the rest of the end of the French/Prot war (i.e., giving 3 spaces religiously or politically to France), and then to play.
Final HRE merc built.
Scratch the French HC play
Henry of Navarre attacks paris again with 7r, 3m
I'm guessing Tamas would have used any combat cards he had on the first one? :P
Most likely. I was going to give him a chance to say otherwise, but I'm not waiting too long.
Paris is besieged. Dutch flail inefectually at Calais. sbr is up
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:D It was a very long shot, but with much better odds than trying to win with VPs.
I am up for another game.
Quote from: Maximus on April 08, 2013, 12:41:03 PM
:D It was a very long shot, but with much better odds than trying to win with VPs.
I am up for another game.
We have to play this out to see whether sbr, Sol, or I (extreme longshot) win first...
Quote from: ulmont on April 08, 2013, 12:46:37 PM
Quote from: Maximus on April 08, 2013, 12:41:03 PM
:D It was a very long shot, but with much better odds than trying to win with VPs.
I am up for another game.
We have to play this out to see whether sbr, Sol, or I (extreme longshot) win first...
Oh for sure, but I'm definitely out
Quote from: ulmont on April 08, 2013, 12:46:37 PM
We have to play this out to see whether sbr, Sol, or I (extreme longshot) win first...
You'd probably need to try for a military autowin if anything.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 08, 2013, 01:27:50 PM
Quote from: ulmont on April 08, 2013, 12:46:37 PM
We have to play this out to see whether sbr, Sol, or I (extreme longshot) win first...
You'd probably need to try for a military autowin if anything.
You think? :D
Sbr is up, anyway. Let's see who is boss. :P
Moved Ali and 5 Corsairs to Barbury Coast
And now for the final stroke...
QuoteSpain: Play Card as Event
#100: 2 / Enterprise of England [MANDATORY]
Add up a total count of: the number of Jesuits in England, the number of Catholic spaces in England, the number of spaces in England under Spanish control, and the number of Spanish regulars in England. Award Enterprise of England VP as follows based on that count. 1-2: 1 VP to England, -1 VP to Spain; 3-4: 1 VP to England; 5-6: no VP awarded; 7-10 1 VP to Spain; 11-15: 2 VP to Spain, -1 VP to England; 16+: 3 VP to Spain, -2 VP to England. Card remains in deck each turn.
[FAQ: Count spaces under Spanish control even if they are Catholic (i.e., some spaces may count for more than one of these items). Ignore Unrest entirely when making these counts.]
Message from Spain:
1 Jesuit, 9 Catholic spaces, 4 Spanish-controlled spaces, 2 Spanish regulars, total 16. 3 VP to Spain, -2 VP to England.
1-2/2: Converge all fleets in Tyrrhenian Sea.
Spain is at 29 VP. :whistle: Tamas is up.
SBR, you're clearly fucked, but if you DoW me and move out of those 2 keys, I can deny Solmyr the win. Just sayin'.
Wow, what happened to England?
Quote from: Maladict on April 09, 2013, 03:33:59 AM
Wow, what happened to England?
crappy dice rolling, combined with spain getting enough space to max out carribean defenses....
Quote from: ulmont on April 08, 2013, 07:30:19 PM
SBR, you're clearly fucked, but if you DoW me and move out of those 2 keys, I can deny Solmyr the win. Just sayin'.
By winning yourself, you mean. :P
Doesn't really matter at this point. Either I win by VP or Sbr hands Ulmont the autowin. Might as well start a new game, unless you really want to roll those assaults?
I raked in 9 VP from Dutch Revolt and Enterprise of England in this game. Spain should never get so much, even though we had each card twice. Only reason was that I had enough time to fuck with England and the Protestants, and not having to worry about Ottomans in the Med for several turns was a big factor in that. The Protestants (Dutch and English) never really got the upper hand in their own areas.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 09, 2013, 10:21:27 AM
By winning yourself, you mean. :P
:whistle:
Quote from: Solmyr on April 09, 2013, 10:21:27 AM
Doesn't really matter at this point. Either I win by VP or Sbr hands Ulmont the autowin. Might as well start a new game, unless you really want to roll those assaults?
I'm ready to start a new game, but I'll let sbr weigh in on if he thinks he can grab 6 VP first. [spoiler]He can't[/spoiler]
Quote from: Solmyr on April 09, 2013, 10:21:27 AM
The Protestants (Dutch and English) never really got the upper hand in their own areas.
Which royally fucked my Protestant HRE.
I won't walk away and hand anyone the win, and even though I still have some cards I agree I can't do anything to keep Sol from winning. I guess that means its over.
I think I am going to take a break from the game, unless you absolutely can't find a 6th player.
I'll take sbr's spot.
Thread for new game here: http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,9652.0.html
Feel free to talk here if you have any final comments for this game. It certainly was an odd one.
What? I shouldn't move? Not much point to it, thats for sure.