Strange things sometimes come up on the Business Insider feed.
Linky (http://www.businessinsider.com/marriage-is-probably-the-worst-thing-a-young-marine-can-do-2012-10#ixzz2Adh8LcRp)
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The rumor had spread to Fallujah, Iraq in early 2005 that some of the wives of our unit had been caught running a brothel on our home base in Hawaii. As per many great substance-lacking rumors this one came with the catch that the reason our chain of command had not informed anyone was because they didn't want Marines in a combat theater going ape-shit with their loaded weapons while contemplating a different warrior's welcome home than originally anticipated.
When we finally came home it turned out the story was true; many of those wives had fled and spent the deployment money as well. I specifically remember standing in some line behind a Marine who said, "After all of that (war/battle/survival) I just want my truck, but she won't give it back. ... This is fuck*d up shit!"
These are scary stories — colder than the poles, but like combat either the fuck*d Marine carries on, or dies.
Most carry on. Even given the crippling statistics a very few have been able to make it work. The reason strange and cruel divorce was such a happenstance in the Marines had to do with very young men marrying usually a high school sweetheart (first kiss), taking her far away from home and planting her in a house in Hawaii, where she finds herself alone for the first time in her life, for a year after the new husband deploys.
Looking at this raw situation honestly, it either sets a young woman up for a very lonely year of sacrifice, or the best year she has ever had with an endless surplus of tax-free deployment money just a pin number away. I don't judge because I have not been a nineteen-year-old woman married to a rich nineteen-year-old Marine — all of our money is expendable when the house and food are paid for by Uncle Sam — the drill instructors warned us about such women.
It's a bit of an old stereotype--guy goes off to his deployment, rapes his way across enemy lands, lonely wife cheats on him. There is one part in the Bible somewhere that it talks about soldiers returning home not having sex with their wives for a few months just to make sure they had not been cuckolded while they were gone and end up raising some other dude's kid.
I suppose logistics makes it harder for guys to cheat while away at war or aboard ship than it was in the past. I could be wrong about that, but it seems logical.
I wonder if some of these guys who step on land mines and then people pitch in to buy him a free house and all that are actually secretly hiding the fact that their wives/girlfriends did the same.
Need slave soldiers. Or clones. Clones of slave soldiers.
There's even an NCIS episode on it. The murderer ends up being one of the wives that wanted all the money from the brothel for her and has killed the others IIRC.
But yeah, quite scary when even crappy tv shows pick up on this thing.
I will force my Soldiers to undergo massive relationship + emotional intelligence training. This crap destroys lives, not to mention the workplace.
Two more years, and I will be either a Senior NCO or Officer.
Quote from: Phillip V on November 01, 2012, 04:35:19 PM
I will force my Soldiers to undergo massive relationship + emotional intelligence training. This crap destroys lives, not to mention the workplace.
Two more years, and I will be either a Senior NCO or Officer.
What is it you're doing? I thought you were in ROTC but I totally forget now.
Anyway, the three weeks I spent with an active duty unit in my ROTC days taught me that some soldiers just can't be helped. They will marry strippers "cuz they're hot" and then cry their eyes out when they're cheated on. Of course I was stuck with an automotive maintenance company, and those guys aren't exactly the cream of the crop.
I've done a mix of regular Army Reserve (drilling + active duty training stints), ROTC (2 yrs before dropping out), active duty deployment, and currently Department of Defense contractor + part-time reservist. Never been in Regular Army yet, but I'll probably go on long-term Active Duty in my 50's until I take my Army retirement around age 62+.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 01, 2012, 04:05:40 PM
I suppose logistics makes it harder for guys to cheat while away at war or aboard ship than it was in the past. I could be wrong about that, but it seems logical.
Easier to cheat aboard ship nowadays, at least if one insists on doing it with a woman.
Adultery should just become a punishable crime. Women are weak creatures easily led into sin, and a male-dominated societal apparatus should encourage them to proper fidelity and submission. :)
I AGREE WITH LETTOW.
I'm gonna go hang myself now.
Quote from: Lettow77 on November 01, 2012, 07:27:26 PM
Adultery should just become a punishable crime.
I believe it's a citable offense, $50 fine paid to the Circuit Court of Maryland.
One of my old co-workers was in the Navy, and had a story about going to visit the woman he'd been dating for a few months and being met at the door by a strange man.
"Is Jane there?"
"Who are you?"
"Why do you want to know, are you her husband?"
"Yes."
"I'll just be on my way."
The co-worker followed up with the note that the only reason he didn't get his ass beat is that he had a buddy with him...
Death penalty for Jody?
Quote from: ulmont on November 01, 2012, 08:08:27 PM
The co-worker followed up with the note that the only reason he didn't get his ass beat is that he had a buddy with him...
Gang bang?
19 year olds shouldn't be in war zones. Seems pretty simple to me.
Who better? To sacrifice our youngest adults while their blood is its most heated seems a fitting ritual to herald the end of spring and summer's onset, when they are just leaving their tender youth, doesn't it?
They are the people you can best convince to be enthusiastic about dying, and those who snap back the most eagerly from the rigours of war, and so on. They have not settled into families yet- they are more socially expendable than fathers. Men older than they form the backbone of society and can't be spared, while boys younger than them are not yet ripe.
Quote from: Lettow77 on November 01, 2012, 10:58:49 PM
They are the people you can best convince to be enthusiastic about dying, and those who snap back the most eagerly from the rigours of war, and so on. They have not settled into families yet- they are more socially expendable than fathers. Men older than they form the backbone of society and can't be spared, while boys younger than them are not yet ripe.
Stop making sense.
Am I ripe...
You are rank.
Quote from: Lettow77 on November 01, 2012, 07:27:26 PM
Adultery should just become a punishable crime. Women are weak creatures easily led into sin, and a male-dominated societal apparatus should encourage them to proper fidelity and submission. :)
And what about for men who often cheat?
Quote from: garbon on November 01, 2012, 11:33:31 PM
And what about for men who often cheat?
Naturally they should be punished as well. If we are going to have a parochial system that vigorously denies women free agency in society, we can at least be even-handed about it.
Haha
Have a buddy you know and trust fuck your wife when deployed. That way you know what she's up to and with whom. :hmm:
Find a jody in a wheelchair who resembles a young Jon Voight.
Coming Home was good. Except that Bruce Dern didn't shoot down Jane Fonda.
Quote from: Legbiter on November 02, 2012, 07:20:14 AM
Have a buddy you know and trust fuck your wife when deployed. That way you know what she's up to and with whom. :hmm:
And make sure it's recorded, for all the good memories.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 02, 2012, 07:39:02 AM
And make sure it's recorded, for all the good memories.
I'm sure the wife will take care of doing that when she sends the Dear John letter.
If your buddy is a 15 y/o chick you'll be fine.
Quote from: Lettow77 on November 01, 2012, 10:58:49 PM
Who better? To sacrifice our youngest adults while their blood is its most heated seems a fitting ritual to herald the end of spring and summer's onset, when they are just leaving their tender youth, doesn't it?
They are the people you can best convince to be enthusiastic about dying, and those who snap back the most eagerly from the rigours of war, and so on. They have not settled into families yet- they are more socially expendable than fathers. Men older than they form the backbone of society and can't be spared, while boys younger than them are not yet ripe.
Their seed is sown. Their job is done. At the least the US army should not allow men who lack brothers from going into battle. Allowing a man whose bloodline might die with him to go into battle is a dangerous undertaking.
(hey, he can use silly archaic reasoning so can I :p)
Historically aren't most soldiers in their 20s or 30s? The backbone of the legions were older dudes for a long while. In The Big ONe a large part of the American Army were at least in their 20s wasn't it?
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on November 02, 2012, 09:24:28 AM
Historically aren't most soldiers in their 20s or 30s? The backbone of the legions were older dudes for a long while. In The Big ONe a large part of the American Army were at least in their 20s wasn't it?
In WW2 the average age of the combat soldier was 26. In Vietnam he was 19.
Quote from: The Brain on November 02, 2012, 09:37:42 AM
In WW2 the average age of the combat soldier was 26. In Vietnam he was 19.
Whoa, how did he do that?
It's stupid to recruit a raw kid at age 18 and then deploy them to a warzone in less than a year. We need to start training/conditioning them at age 14 or earlier. (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/51524/aye.gif)
Quote from: Maximus on November 02, 2012, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: The Brain on November 02, 2012, 09:37:42 AM
In WW2 the average age of the combat soldier was 26. In Vietnam he was 19.
Whoa, how did he do that?
It's a kind of magic.
The military should provide government approved prostitutes and gigolos.
Quote from: The Brain on November 02, 2012, 09:37:42 AM
In Vietnam he was 19.
N-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-nineteen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3LdMAqUMnM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3LdMAqUMnM)
Quote from: Brazen on November 02, 2012, 10:21:35 AM
The military should provide government approved prostitutes and gigolos.
I can see it now: Deuce Bigalow, Army Gigolo. :P
Quote from: Brazen on November 02, 2012, 10:22:55 AM
Quote from: The Brain on November 02, 2012, 09:37:42 AM
In Vietnam he was 19.
N-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-nineteen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3LdMAqUMnM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3LdMAqUMnM)
Goddammit, this is why I shouldn't leave the house. :mad:
Figured I'd have that meme all to myself. :mad:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 02, 2012, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: Brazen on November 02, 2012, 10:22:55 AM
Quote from: The Brain on November 02, 2012, 09:37:42 AM
In Vietnam he was 19.
N-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-nineteen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3LdMAqUMnM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3LdMAqUMnM)
Goddammit, this is why I shouldn't leave the house. :mad:
Figured I'd have that meme all to myself. :mad:
:unsure:
Quote from: Brazen on November 02, 2012, 10:21:35 AM
The military should provide government approved prostitutes and gigolos.
The military has already done so for hundreds of years, as far as the
amiettes, whores following Medieval troops around in horsecarts. It is notorious that Armed forces usually tolerate whores in vicinity of their bases. The Red Army, the Wehrmacht, and the Japanese Army provided state-sanctioned brothers as well. At least the Russians took women willing to prostitute themselves for the Motherland...
Anyway, we can't change that most soldiers who get married do so with the expectation that she will hold for them while they are gone. Some soldiers are savvy enough to have understandings with their wives while they are deployed, but they are the minority. Others are savvy enough not to get married in the first place.
We laugh, but it's harsh on the morale of people who pledge their lives to defend us and our country. Add to that the potential violent consequences of male veterans coming back from a tour of duty, quite a few of them suffering from PTSD and trained to kill, to wives who possibly used the comfort of the lives they were providing to be dishonest and live a double life with a colleague, an officer, or a jody.
That said, adultery isn't illegal (except through blue laws) and AFAIK civilians are outside the juridisction of Military Codes of Justice (even if they live on the base). It is a tough problem, and I'm not sure it's a solvable one as it is part of human nature.
Wait, the Red Army did that?
Quote from: Faeelin on November 02, 2012, 12:25:34 PM
Wait, the Red Army did that?
Yes, they did. It was of immense surprise to German women, though.
Quote from: Brazen on November 02, 2012, 10:21:35 AM
The military should provide government approved prostitutes and gigolos.
No. Issuing pocket pussies and dildos should suffice.
Quote from: Phillip V on November 02, 2012, 09:41:03 AM
It's stupid to recruit a raw kid at age 18 and then deploy them to a warzone in less than a year. We need to start training/conditioning them at age 14 or earlier. (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/51524/aye.gif)
You mean 7 /sparta