AV Club is listing the 50 top movies of the 90s, and they've already done Part 1 (http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-50-best-films-of-the-90s-1-of-3,86304/1/) and Part 2 (http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-50-best-films-of-the-90s-2-of-3,86361/2/). With only the top 10 to go there's a few notable trends so far.
Tarantino hasn't shown up at all yet. He could end up with three of the top ten (Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown), which sounds excessive. Particularly since the Coen Bros. are presumably not cracking the top ten. Only Hudsucker Proxy hasn't made the list, and even though I like the movie I wouldn't seriously consider it for a list like this. I'm assuming at least one movie will be animated, since they haven't put any in yet. I'm hoping for Princess Mononoke, but I wouldn't be surprised by either of the Toy Stories or Iron Giant.
Going off my personal list of the favorites from the 90s, here's the top 20 they haven't mentioned yet:
12 Monkeys
Being John Malkovich
Dark City
Fifth Element
From Dusk till Dawn
Goodfellas
Gross Point Blank
Iron Giant
Office Space
Out of Sight
Pi
Princess Mononoke
Pulp Fiction
Reservoir Dogs
Rounders
Run Lola Run
Shawshank Redemption
South Park
Toy Story 2
Usual Suspects
I don't think Usual Suspects is making it as it's frequently unfavorably compared to LA Confidential and that already made the list. Dark City, Fifth Element and From Dusk till Dawn almost certainly not. I think Goodfellas, Shawshank and at least one of Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs are locks. I'm also expecting some number of Silence of the Lambs, American History X, American Beauty and Life is Beautiful to show up. I really hope Forrest Gump doesn't make it.
Any other strong contenders I've missed? I know I'm light on foreign films, so there has to be some spots there.
No Truman Show, no Gattaca, no Three Kings, no relevance. I doubt they'd be in the top ten (they'd be in my top ten, but whatever), but leaving them out of the top fifty is like a giant fuck you to Peter Weir, Andrew Niccol, and David O. Russell.
I am pleased that Blair Witch Project is on there somewhere. For its impact, it deserves a spot somewhere in a top 50 (maybe higher than it is here). It's a pretty decent movie, which helps, but it's also a cinematic pioneer, for better or worse--worse if giant projections of shaking and swirling camerawork makes you lose most of the feeling in your face.
Quote from: Ideologue on October 09, 2012, 10:57:19 AM
No Truman Show, no Gattaca, no Three Kings, no relevance. I doubt they'd be in the top ten (they'd be in my top ten, but whatever), but leaving them out of the top fifty is like a giant fuck you to Peter Weir, Andrew Niccol, and David O. Russell.
I am pleased that Blair Witch Project is on there somewhere. For its impact, it deserves a spot somewhere in a top 50 (maybe higher than it is here). It's a pretty decent movie, which helps, but it's also a cinematic pioneer, for better or worse--worse if giant projections of shaking and swirling camerawork makes you lose most of the feeling in your face.
I could see all three in the top 50, and I'd certainly consider Gattaca and Three Kings for my top 50. Blair Witch, bleh. I think it had more of an impact on TV than on movies, what with the number of single camera, faux documentary and reality shows that showed up shortly after it. The shaky camera work style makes for a lousy and vomit inducing movie.
I think what the list shows more than anything is how solid the 90s was for movies.
Really? It seems to me that the Blair Witch pretty much set the blueprint for a lot of the modern horror films. You don't see too many 80s-style films anymore, although the Saw-style murder porn genre has branched away.
Quote from: frunk on October 09, 2012, 09:29:14 AM
AV Club is listing the 50 top movies of the 90s, and they've already done Part 1 (http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-50-best-films-of-the-90s-1-of-3,86304/1/) and Part 2 (http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-50-best-films-of-the-90s-2-of-3,86361/2/). With only the top 10 to go there's a few notable trends so far.
Tarantino hasn't shown up at all yet. He could end up with three of the top ten (Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown), which sounds excessive. Particularly since the Coen Bros. are presumably not cracking the top ten. Only Hudsucker Proxy hasn't made the list, and even though I like the movie I wouldn't seriously consider it for a list like this. I'm assuming at least one movie will be animated, since they haven't put any in yet. I'm hoping for Princess Mononoke, but I wouldn't be surprised by either of the Toy Stories or Iron Giant.
Going off my personal list of the favorites from the 90s, here's the top 20 they haven't mentioned yet:
12 Monkeys
Being John Malkovich
Dark City
Fifth Element
From Dusk till Dawn
Goodfellas
Gross Point Blank
Iron Giant
Office Space
Out of Sight
Pi
Princess Mononoke
Pulp Fiction
Reservoir Dogs
Rounders
Run Lola Run
Shawshank Redemption
South Park
Toy Story 2
Usual Suspects
I don't think Usual Suspects is making it as it's frequently unfavorably compared to LA Confidential and that already made the list. Dark City, Fifth Element and From Dusk till Dawn almost certainly not. I think Goodfellas, Shawshank and at least one of Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs are locks. I'm also expecting some number of Silence of the Lambs, American History X, American Beauty and Life is Beautiful to show up. I really hope Forrest Gump doesn't make it.
Any other strong contenders I've missed? I know I'm light on foreign films, so there has to be some spots there.
I see they mention that a single filmmaker has two movies in the top 10. I'm guessing that Tarantino might be that filmmaker for Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs. Toy Story, Shawshank, even Gump are probably good bets.
Just looking at a few other lists, some other possibilities would be Braveheart, Titanic, and Good Will Hunting.
Quote from: Neil on October 09, 2012, 11:24:07 AM
Really? It seems to me that the Blair Witch pretty much set the blueprint for a lot of the modern horror films. You don't see too many 80s-style films anymore, although the Saw-style murder porn genre has branched away.
In some sense I suppose so. You have the Paranormal Activity and Final Destination series that have enemies that can't be seen or fought, but I think that ties into influence from J-Horror more than Blair Witch. As for as what happens to the characters (malevolent force knocks them off one by one) it's much closer to 80s horror than Blair Witch. The shaky camera, pseudo-documentary style really isn't done anymore.
Quote from: frunk on October 09, 2012, 11:59:57 AM
The shaky camera, pseudo-documentary style really isn't done anymore.
No, it's not, but Blair Witch was still the genesis of the "You Are There" genre of horror that Paranormal and its ilk have followed. There's a direct connection.
After further consideration here are the ones that I think are definite:
Goodfellas
One of the Toy Stories
Pulp Fiction
Reservoir Dogs
Shawshank Redemption
Silence of the Lambs
Strong Possibilities (based primarily on my own tastes and what I know about the AV Club staff):
12 Monkeys
American Beauty
Bottle Rocket or Rushmore
Casino
Life is Beautiful
Magnolia
Out of Sight
Pi
Princess Mononoke
Rounders
Shakespeare in Love
Unforgiven
Pff, Cannibal Holocaust did it long before Blair Witch.
Quote from: Barrister on October 09, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
I see they mention that a single filmmaker has two movies in the top 10. I'm guessing that Tarantino might be that filmmaker for Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs.
I could definitely see both of them making it, as they were tremendous examples of storyline manipulation and screenplay dialogue, cutting edge films at the time.*
I'm glad to see some personal favorites made the list:
Election (biting cynicism on so many levels)
Naked (surprised people even remember this gem)
Se7en (simply fantastic direction in maintaining a dank, oppressive atmosphere)
LA Confidential (awesome Hollywoodness of a film)
The Limey (probably Soderbergh's finest)
Boogie Nights (not just for storyline, but so many intersecting characters, all united by trying to live normally in a fucked-up industry)
Thin Red Line (we've had this discussion before :P )
Carlito's Way (one of the most underrated crime dramas, a perfect Pacino, an excellent period piece of the 70s, and a great Sean Penn)
Glengarry Glenn Ross (pure Mamet dialogue dreaminess, arguably Alec Baldwin's best work, and one of the greatest single-scene monologues ever),
The requisite Coen Brothers films
and I believe
Fight Club should be in the Top Ten, if not damned near the top. Revolutionary.
As far as ones they haven't mentioned that I could see land in the Top 10:
I can see
Gattaca making it, for a variety of reasons, from design to direction, to characters to the bigger picture of societal ethics and the human spirit
same with
Shawshank Redemption (pure storytelling) and
GoodFellas (archetypal mob flick)
I hope
Man Bites Dog makes it; goddamned, that movie is fucking hilarious on so many fucking levels
The Crossing Guard (a superb work in the two types of pain--guilt and loss--and ultimately in forgiveness)
Bad Lieutenant (pure character study and one of the greatest leaps for an actor, ever)
Rushmore, for obvious reasons
Dances With Wolves will be in there, probably, simply because it did "sprawling" so well, as well as
Unforgiven, for reinvigorating the Western
*And if it's not Tarantino--and I believe it is, since he's got to be in there
somewhere--the only one I could think it could possibly be would be Michael Mann, for "The Last of The Mohicans" and "Heat".
But I think
Pulp Fiction will wind up as the #1 overall film of the decade.
I am really disappointed that this isn't a list of the best porn movies. AV = adult video.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 09, 2012, 01:11:30 PM
I am really disappointed that this isn't a list of the best porn movies. AV = adult video.
AV = Audio/Visual in this case. Sorry to disappoint.
Quote from: frunk on October 09, 2012, 12:19:49 PM
Strong Possibilities (based primarily on my own tastes and what I know about the AV Club staff):
American Beauty
I can see that happening.
But if we're reading the AC Club staff's minds, I could see them tossing in
Rosencranz and Guildenstern Are Dead, too. Right up their alley.
Quote from: Syt on October 09, 2012, 12:21:31 PM
Pff, Cannibal Holocaust did it long before Blair Witch.
:yes:
by Ruggero Deodato no less :)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 09, 2012, 01:14:00 PM
I can see that happening.
But if we're reading the AC Club staff's minds, I could see them tossing in Rosencranz and Guildenstern Are Dead, too. Right up their alley.
Too many flaws from the perspective of it being a film. If you are going to go Stoppard Shakespeare in Love is much more likely.
Heck, the 90s were long enough ago that I'd have to check and make sure that stuff wasn't actually late 80s or early 2000s before I make any definitive comments.
Quote from: frunk on October 09, 2012, 01:24:39 PM
Too many flaws from the perspective of it being a film. If you are going to go Stoppard Shakespeare in Love is much more likely.
Meh, but it's got Roth and Oldman, 90's film indie sweethearts, and is a much more original screenplay adaptation.
Shakespeare in Love is far too 1) gay, 2) stupid, and 3) exceedingly stupid in its gayness.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 09, 2012, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: Syt on October 09, 2012, 12:21:31 PM
Pff, Cannibal Holocaust did it long before Blair Witch.
:yes:
by Ruggero Deodato no less :)
Two problems with that, though:
1) It's Italian
2) Not seen by enough Americans.
At least Seedy didn't mention that crap Wyatt Earp.
Quote from: katmai on October 09, 2012, 01:54:47 PM
At least Seedy didn't mention that crap Wyatt Earp.
:P :P :P :P It's in my own Top Ten, fuck you very much.
Wild Things is on my list.
Very Bad Things is in my bottom 10.
The PIano; Schindler's list
Pity that the 90s were probably the worst timeframe in the careers of Kubrick and Woody Allen.
L.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 09, 2012, 01:11:02 PM
I'm glad to see some personal favorites made the list:
Naked (surprised people even remember this gem) ...
I hope Man Bites Dog makes it; goddamned, that movie is fucking hilarious on so many fucking levels...
Bad Lieutenant (pure character study and one of the greatest leaps for an actor, ever)
Not that the other ones aren't very good, but these are 3 of my absolute favorite movies. They all totally transcend whatever genre they're supposed to be in, and are really dark and really funny at the same time.
Good choices, Seedy. :cool: :hug:
Chunking Express, Boogie Nights, Raise the Red Lantern, The Thin Red Line, LA Confidential, Breaking the Waves, Silence of the Lambs and The Sweet Hereafter would probably be my short list. Pulp Fiction has no place on the top 50.
Quote from: Queequeg on October 09, 2012, 10:25:09 PM
Chunking Express, Boogie Nights, Raise the Red Lantern, The Thin Red Line, LA Confidential, Breaking the Waves, Silence of the Lambs and The Sweet Hereafter would probably be my short list. Pulp Fiction has no place on the top 50.
:bleeding::bleeding::bleeding:
Resevoir Dogs would be up in the top 20. Pulp Fiction gets really dull in parts.
Quote from: Queequeg on October 09, 2012, 10:25:09 PM
Pulp Fiction has no place on the top 50.
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It's a fucking fantastic movie with some sub-fantastic moments. I've never watched it without wanting to take a nap for all of Bruce Willis' relationship scenes.
Oh come on, cute French girl, adorable accent, in her panties... That's easily worth listening to a couple minutes of nonsense.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 09, 2012, 11:01:01 PM
Oh come on, cute French girl, adorable accent, in her panties... That's easily worth listening to a couple minutes of nonsense.
I wanted to beat her head in with a tire iron.
enough of your fantasies seedy.
Naked is possibly my favourite Mike Leigh film. Personally I'd have Naked, Secrets and Lies and Topsy-Turvy in my top 50 films of the 90s :mmm:
Did you ever watch Vera Drake CdM? With your love of women's rights (:lol:) I think you'd find it very interesting.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 09, 2012, 11:01:01 PM
Oh come on, cute French girl, adorable accent, in her panties... That's easily worth listening to a couple minutes of nonsense.
France gave us Catherine Denuve and Audrey Tautou. It can do better.
Babe:Pig in the City and Princess Mononoke would be in the top 50. Barton Fink.
Quote from: Queequeg on October 10, 2012, 12:19:18 AM
It can do better.
Sure, but she's hardly a reason to knock an otherwise "fucking fantastic movie" out of the top 50. Though I'm not sure Tautou is better.
QuoteNo Truman Show, no Gattaca, no Three Kings, no relevance.
Hell yes on Gattaca, OK for Truman Show (as long as we're talking top 50 and not the upper reaches), but Three Kings? :blink:
QuoteAfter further consideration here are the ones that I think are definite:
Goodfellas
One of the Toy Stories
Pulp Fiction
Reservoir Dogs
Shawshank Redemption
Silence of the Lambs
Strong Possibilities (based primarily on my own tastes and what I know about the AV Club staff):
12 Monkeys
American Beauty
Bottle Rocket or Rushmore
Casino
Life is Beautiful
Magnolia
Out of Sight
Pi
Princess Mononoke
Rounders
Shakespeare in Love
Unforgiven
Goodfellas- Been a while but I'm sure I recall that was good.
One of the Toy Stories- yes.
Pulp Fiction- Definitely
Reservoir Dogs- Yes
Shawshank Redemption - I can't recall having seen it actually
Silence of the Lambs - Myeh. Its well regarded by everyone so will probally be on the list but I didn't like it.
12 Monkeys- Definitely
American Beauty- Yes
Bottle Rocket or Rushmore- Bottle Rocket- what? That sucked. Rushmore- Yes, that was cool.
Casino, Rounders, Life is Beautiful,Magnolia,Out of Sight, Pi - Don't know them
Princess Mononoke- Myeh. It is the usual token anime but....not my choice.
Shakespeare in Love- God no. Terrible film.
Unforgiven- I'm sure I recall it being pretty generic
She's gorgeous and far more talented.
The Bruce Willis segment is a huge drag on the movie, and tbh the entire second half doesn't measure up. Everything Pulp Fiction does well, Boogie Nights and Chongking do better and more consistently, and generally with more feeling.
Truman Show = Best Jim Carrey movie of the 90s. Though Man on the Moon and Batman Forever are close.
Not sure I'd include it. Eternal Sunshine would make my top 10 of 2000s though.
Quote from: AV Club top 1010. Being John Malkovich
9. Rushmore
8. Unforgiven
7. Reservoir Dogs
6. Out Of Sight
5. Chungking Express
4. Dazed And Confused
3. Toy Story 2
2. Pulp Fiction
1. Goodfellas
Out of Sight is the one that strikes me as weirdest in that part of the list, good but not that good.
Quote from: Queequeg on October 10, 2012, 02:17:21 AM
She's gorgeous and far more talented.
The Bruce Willis segment is a huge drag on the movie, and tbh the entire second half doesn't measure up. Everything Pulp Fiction does well, Boogie Nights and Chongking do better and more consistently, and generally with more feeling.
What Pulp Fiction does best is deliver crackling diaogue.
Quote from: Queequeg on October 10, 2012, 02:17:21 AM
She's gorgeous and far more talented.
The Bruce Willis segment is a huge drag on the movie, and tbh the entire second half doesn't measure up. Everything Pulp Fiction does well, Boogie Nights and Chongking do better and more consistently, and generally with more feeling.
The only thing Boogie Nights does better than Pulp Fiction is show off Heather Graham's body.
Quote from: frunk on October 09, 2012, 09:29:14 AM
AV Club is listing the 50 top movies of the 90s, and they've already done Part 1 (http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-50-best-films-of-the-90s-1-of-3,86304/1/) and Part 2 (http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-50-best-films-of-the-90s-2-of-3,86361/2/). With only the top 10 to go there's a few notable trends so far.
Tarantino hasn't shown up at all yet. He could end up with three of the top ten (Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown), which sounds excessive. Particularly since the Coen Bros. are presumably not cracking the top ten. Only Hudsucker Proxy hasn't made the list, and even though I like the movie I wouldn't seriously consider it for a list like this. I'm assuming at least one movie will be animated, since they haven't put any in yet. I'm hoping for Princess Mononoke, but I wouldn't be surprised by either of the Toy Stories or Iron Giant.
Going off my personal list of the favorites from the 90s, here's the top 20 they haven't mentioned yet:
12 Monkeys
Being John Malkovich
Dark City
Fifth Element
From Dusk till Dawn
Goodfellas
Gross Point Blank
Iron Giant
Office Space
Out of Sight
Pi
Princess Mononoke
Pulp Fiction
Reservoir Dogs
Rounders
Run Lola Run
Shawshank Redemption
South Park
Toy Story 2
Usual Suspects
I don't think Usual Suspects is making it as it's frequently unfavorably compared to LA Confidential and that already made the list. Dark City, Fifth Element and From Dusk till Dawn almost certainly not. I think Goodfellas, Shawshank and at least one of Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs are locks. I'm also expecting some number of Silence of the Lambs, American History X, American Beauty and Life is Beautiful to show up. I really hope Forrest Gump doesn't make it.
Any other strong contenders I've missed? I know I'm light on foreign films, so there has to be some spots there.
Yeah, I can't imaine Shawshank, Pulp Fiction, Silence of the Lambs and American Beauty not being included in top 10.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 09, 2012, 11:01:01 PM
Oh come on, cute French girl, adorable accent, in her panties... That's easily worth listening to a couple minutes of nonsense.
she's portuguese (maria de medeiros) and yes, her part of the film is subpar, but she's a decent actress. not comparable with deneuve or tatou though. i believe that tarantino didn't wanted that kind of actress for a role like butch' gf.
Quote from: katmai on October 10, 2012, 12:02:50 AM
enough of your fantasies seedy.
Don't gimme that. She was a crybaby that turned on the waterworks at moment's notice. Fucking hate that.
Quote from: Martinus on October 10, 2012, 03:59:40 AM
Yeah, I can't imaine Shawshank, Pulp Fiction, Silence of the Lambs and American Beauty not being included in top 10.
So apparently 1 for 4.
Seems there's a bunch of contrarians in charge of the thing, they ignored the masses' picks(Titanic, Jurassic Park, etc), the mass of movie nerds' pick(Shawshank) and most of the Academy's picks.
Quote from: Liep on October 10, 2012, 02:32:39 AM
Quote from: AV Club top 10
10. Being John Malkovich
9. Rushmore
8. Unforgiven
7. Reservoir Dogs
6. Out Of Sight
5. Chungking Express
4. Dazed And Confused
3. Toy Story 2
2. Pulp Fiction
1. Goodfellas
Out of Sight is the one that strikes me as weirdest in that part of the list, good but not that good.
Yeah, I don't really understand their reasoning behind that one--"Soderbergh proved that sometimes the most experimental thing a filmmaker can do it try to make a commercial movie" :huh:
I enjoyed
Dazed and Confused, but I never understand its elevated "Big Lebowski-like" cult status; I could appreciate it landing in the Top 50, but not the Top Ten.
Being
John Malkovich, I can understand; that's a Hollywooder's movie--appreciated more by the insiders than the outsiders. I bet Kat's been to more than one wrap party where it's been raved about incessantly by the chablis-sipper industry types.
I know multiple people have mentioned
Silence of the Lambs and
12 Monkeys, and they're good, but
Silence is robust but not revolutionary, and
12 Monkeys isn't even Gilliam's best work of the decade, wedged between the better works of
The Fisher King and
Fear & Loathing.
Glad to see
Rushmore made it, though.
QuoteTomorrow: The list of orphans and outliers, where the cinema writers each champion four of their favorite films that didn't get enough votes to make the master list.
That should be interesting. I'd like to think
Man Bites Dog and
Jacob's Ladder are wandering out there somewhere.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 10, 2012, 12:09:58 AM
Did you ever watch Vera Drake CdM? With your love of women's rights (:lol:) I think you'd find it very interesting.
I will definitely check it out now. ;)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2012, 05:43:15 AM
Yeah, I don't really understand their reasoning behind that one--"Soderbergh proved that sometimes the most experimental thing a filmmaker can do it try to make a commercial movie" :huh:
I enjoyed Dazed and Confused, but I never understand its elevated "Big Lebowski-like" cult status; I could appreciate it landing in the Top 50, but not the Top Ten.
Being John Malkovich, I can understand; that's a Hollywooder's movie--appreciated more by the insiders than the outsiders. I bet Kat's been to more than one wrap party where it's been raved about incessantly by the chablis-sipper industry types.
I know multiple people have mentioned Silence of the Lambs and 12 Monkeys, and they're good, but Silence is robust but not revolutionary, and 12 Monkeys isn't even Gilliam's best work of the decade, wedged between the better works of The Fisher King and Fear & Loathing.
I don't see a problem with Out of Sight. It really is a great movie with one memorable scene after another. Dazed and Confused I don't get. I should have thought of Chungking Express though. I like Being John Malkovich but I thought it had enough flaws that it would be overshadowed by Kaufman's better films from the 2000s.
I can see Silence not being in the top 10, I don't know how it didn't make the top 50. I consider 12 Monkeys better than Fisher King or Fear & Loathing. Fisher King tames some of Gilliam's wilder impulses and just isn't as crazy as I'd like, and Fear & Loathing is great at capturing the source material but the source material is a mostly incoherent mess so it isn't that interesting to me.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 09, 2012, 01:11:02 PM
and I believe Fight Club should be in the Top Ten, if not damned near the top. Revolutionary
I can see Gattaca making it, for a variety of reasons, from design to direction, to characters to the bigger picture of societal ethics and the human spirit
same with Shawshank Redemption (pure storytelling) and GoodFellas (archetypal mob flick)
I hope Man Bites Dog makes it; goddamned, that movie is fucking hilarious on so many fucking levels
The Crossing Guard (a superb work in the two types of pain--guilt and loss--and ultimately in forgiveness)
Bad Lieutenant (pure character study and one of the greatest leaps for an actor, ever)
Rushmore, for obvious reasons
Dances With Wolves will be in there, probably, simply because it did "sprawling" so well, as well as Unforgiven, for reinvigorating the Western
See it's things like this that make me think you have soul after all.
Quote from: frunk on October 10, 2012, 06:31:19 AM
I don't see a problem with Out of Sight. It really is a great movie with one memorable scene after another.
The one with Clooney and J Lo? I've forgotten just about the whole thing. /shrug
I like
The Game a lot more than
Fight Club, but Game is basically Parallax View and The Magus in a blender, so I'm probably biased.
QuoteAmerican Beauty
That movie has aged worse than the peach I left in my lunchbag in my backpack for 6 weeks. :bleeding:
QuoteThe only thing Boogie Nights does better than Pulp Fiction is show off Heather Graham's body.
Any of Boogie's minor characters are more human than a central figure in Pulp.
Quote from: Queequeg on October 10, 2012, 09:22:29 AM
Any of Boogie's minor characters are more human than a central figure in Pulp.
Yes and Talladega Nights: the Legend of Ricky Bobby is funnier than The Godfather. So what?
Pulp Fiction is completely heartless. It fails in it's one attempt at romance. Can't be said of Boogie.
I dunno, Pumpkin and Honey Bunny seem pretty cozy. :lol:
But it's not that sort of movie. That's like faulting The Godfather for not being funny enough.
Pulp Fiction holds the distinction of being the only movie that, when I saw it for the first time, I had to watch it again right afterwards.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 10, 2012, 09:11:46 AM
Quote from: frunk on October 10, 2012, 06:31:19 AM
I don't see a problem with Out of Sight. It really is a great movie with one memorable scene after another.
The one with Clooney and J Lo? I've forgotten just about the whole thing. /shrug
I've seen it enough times that I could probably reproduce the order of scenes pretty well, despite it jumping forward and backward through time. It's a low key heist flick that's more about the circumstances leading up to the heist than the event itself.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 10, 2012, 09:47:21 AM
I dunno, Pumpkin and Honey Bunny seem pretty cozy. :lol:
I made the "any of you pricks move" line into a ringtone. :lol:
Quote from: Barrister on October 09, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
I see they mention that a single filmmaker has two movies in the top 10. I'm guessing that Tarantino might be that filmmaker for Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs. Toy Story, Shawshank, even Gump are probably good bets.
Kudos for guessing Toy Story (albeit they picked the sequel in the top 10)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 09, 2012, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: frunk on October 09, 2012, 11:59:57 AM
The shaky camera, pseudo-documentary style really isn't done anymore.
No, it's not, but Blair Witch was still the genesis of the "You Are There" genre of horror that Paranormal and its ilk have followed. There's a direct connection.
That Apollo 18 thing kinda had the same idea.
Quote from: Queequeg on October 09, 2012, 10:46:19 PM
Resevoir Dogs would be up in the top 20. Pulp Fiction gets really dull in parts.
The Bruce Willis thing in the middle gets very boring
[yes I'm getting into this thread late.]
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 10, 2012, 09:26:37 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on October 10, 2012, 09:22:29 AM
Any of Boogie's minor characters are more human than a central figure in Pulp.
Yes and Talladega Nights: the Legend of Ricky Bobby is funnier than The Godfather. So what?
:lol: Zing.
The first time I saw Pulp Fiction the motel scene worked because it was such a mind trip that a 50ish leading man was fucking a girl who looked 11. The only part of the Butch interlude that's truly dull is the walk back to the apartment. The ball gag scene is one of the most intense scenes ever filmed.
Dead nigger storage. That is all.
Quote from: Josephus on October 10, 2012, 01:15:10 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on October 09, 2012, 10:46:19 PM
Resevoir Dogs would be up in the top 20. Pulp Fiction gets really dull in parts.
The Bruce Willis thing in the middle gets very boring
[yes I'm getting into this thread late.]
Maybe Pulp Fiction's reliance on fast dialogue, obscure pop culture references, and inventive slang doesn't translate well into yours and Queequeq's native languages?
Hey I saw that movie when it came out. I was in my mid-late 20s. Perfect age for it. And I loved it. Became a huge Tarantino fan.
I bought it on VHS when it came out. Still have it.
It's a brilliant movie that deserves to be in the list for best movies of the 90s. I dig the clever witty dialogue...[what do you call a quarter pounder with cheese in France....Hey I just shot Marvin...] clever. It just hasn't stood the test of time. The bits with Travolta and Samuel Mother Fucker Jackson are great. But there's slow bits that now make you yearn for the FF-Button. And the Bruce Willis bit with the chick and her "pot"is one of those scenes (though I love the scene with Christopher Walken and the watch]. And others here agree.
Great movie. Just needs to be trimmed a bit. It's not even Tarantino's best (Resevoir Dogs deserves that title)
The Orphan List (http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-best-films-of-the-90s-orphans-outliers-and-per,86534/1/) adds some nice also rans. I was glad to see Grosse Pointe Blank, Trust, Gilliam get some credit with Fear and Loathing (although I prefer 12 Monkeys), The Player, Iron Giant and Office Space.
The worst MiAs:
Silence of the Lambs - I still don't get why this doesn't show up. The criticisms that I can find of it are based on the treatment of women, the depiction of the transgendered and the disturbing relationships developed by Hannibal Lector with Clarice. On the quality of the movie itself I can't find any. Is AV Club seriously arguing that the Blair Witch Project is better than this?
Shawshank Redemption - On the comments one of the staff mentioned that it wasn't particularly liked at AV Club. Overreaction to it being #1 on imdb?
Princess Mononoke or Porco Rosso - Animation in general was underrepresented (2 out of 82) but not including one of Miyazaki's seems criminal.
Drunken Master 2 - Martial arts movies aren't popular amongst critics. Even given that Jackie Chan near the height of his powers is so entertaining that it seems like a serious omission compared to other popcorn flicks they did include.
South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut: Yes, it's South Park with all the potty humor and profanity that implies. It's also one of the best musicals ever.
Questionable Choices:
Face/Off - If you are going to include a John Woo film from the 90s shouldn't it be Hard Boiled?
Point Break - You already have one Keanu Reeves movie with The Matrix and now you made it worse.
The Blair Witch Project - Even the writeup for it acknowledges that the inclusion is more about the hype than the quality of the movie.
Eyes Wide Shut - I love Kubrick, but this is him at his most indulgent and least interesting.
Quote from: frunk on October 11, 2012, 08:53:01 AM
Shawshank Redemption - On the comments one of the staff mentioned that it wasn't particularly liked at AV Club. Overreaction to it being #1 on imdb?
Unfortunate casualty of snotty Gen Y hipsterism that pervades the AV Club like so many lens-less eyelglass frames at an free trade coffee house with shitty original art.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2012, 05:41:17 PM
:lol: Zing.
The first time I saw Pulp Fiction the motel scene worked because it was such a mind trip that a 50ish leading man was fucking a girl who looked 11. The only part of the Butch interlude that's truly dull is the walk back to the apartment. The ball gag scene is one of the most intense scenes ever filmed.
Willis was only 38 or 39 when Pulp Fiction was shot.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 11, 2012, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: frunk on October 11, 2012, 08:53:01 AM
Shawshank Redemption - On the comments one of the staff mentioned that it wasn't particularly liked at AV Club. Overreaction to it being #1 on imdb?
Unfortunate casualty of snotty Gen Y hipsterism that pervades the AV Club like so many lens-less eyelglass frames at an free trade coffee house with shitty original art.
:lol:
Quote from: frunk on October 11, 2012, 08:53:01 AM
Point Break - You already have one Keanu Reeves movie with The Matrix and now you made it worse.
Point Break > Matrix. Though I prefer to think of it as a Patrick Swayze movie.
One of these days, I really need to learn to surf.
Also, I'd be tempted to snub Shawshank for much the same reason, though ultimately I'd probably put it in a 30-40 slot like it deserves.
Wait, wait. Point break made top 50 films of the 90's.
The only top list that movie should be on is scripts to wipe my ass with.
Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2012, 09:24:07 AM
Wait, wait. Point break made top 50 films of the 90's.
The only top list that movie should be on is scripts to wipe my ass with.
No, it was an honourable mention. But agree on the proper use for that script.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 11, 2012, 09:10:05 AM
Quote from: frunk on October 11, 2012, 08:53:01 AM
Point Break - You already have one Keanu Reeves movie with The Matrix and now you made it worse.
Point Break > Matrix. Though I prefer to think of it as a Patrick Swayze movie.
One of these days, I really need to learn to surf.
Also, I'd be tempted to snub Shawshank for much the same reason, though ultimately I'd probably put it in a 30-40 slot like it deserves.
You are snubbing Shawshank because you need to learn to surf?
Charlie don't surf and neither does Wiggin.
Quote from: frunk on October 11, 2012, 08:58:36 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2012, 05:41:17 PM
:lol: Zing.
The first time I saw Pulp Fiction the motel scene worked because it was such a mind trip that a 50ish leading man was fucking a girl who looked 11. The only part of the Butch interlude that's truly dull is the walk back to the apartment. The ball gag scene is one of the most intense scenes ever filmed.
Willis was only 38 or 39 when Pulp Fiction was shot.
And María de Medeiros 29.
Quote from: frunk on October 11, 2012, 09:31:52 AM
You are snubbing Shawshank because you need to learn to surf?
:lmfao:
Nah, I'd consider snubbing it because it's generally overrated, as the IMDB score attests. But if I was making a list of how I honestly felt 90s movies stacked up, I wouldn't be surprised if it snuck in. No way in hell it'd get in top 10 though.