Kids these days. :rolleyes:
QuoteLast Call for College Bars
For college students, social media tops the bar scene
New York Times
IT'S hard to look cool slurping blue-hued vodka through neon-colored straws from a fishbowl, and four sorority sisters, all Cornell University seniors, have long since stopped trying.
After all, cool is irrelevant when you have arrived at a bar at the insanely early hour of just after 9 p.m. on a Wednesday, in the company of a fraternity "most of us wouldn't go to a mixer with," said Michelle Guida, 21, fiddling with her orange Hermès bracelet and gathering three straws to drink from simultaneously. "But it's their bar tab," said Vanessa Gilen, also 21, who did not look up from her iPhone as she sipped and texted furiously.
The women, in the pre-fall evening-out uniform of tiny shorts and four-inch heels, had fortified themselves for the outing with tequila shots at home. They sat in Level B, a basement bar on the southwestern edge of the Cornell campus in Ithaca, N.Y., snapping photos of their two $18 fishbowls (each contains a half-bottle of vodka, or about 16 shots, and a plastic animal) and texting them to friends (no explanation necessary) to coax them to hurry over before the fishbowl special ended at 12:30. The bar was as dead as a strobe-lighted library until shortly after 11, when suddenly, as if the campus bell-tower chimed at a frequency only students could hear, the place was sweat-inducingly full.
To anyone who has ever been to college, it doesn't seem like much of a problem: how to lure students to bars, the earlier in the evening the better.
But bar owners in the Collegetown neighborhood of Ithaca recently convened a worried summit about just this topic. Once upon a time, in the Pleistocene epoch before cellphones and social media, students used bars as meeting places, heading there after class to find friends and to plot evenings over beer.
These days text messaging, Facebook and Foursquare make it possible to see if a bar is worth the trip (translation: who is there) without leaving the dorm. Meanwhile, location-based mobile apps like Grindr, which point to the nearest available candidates looking for sex or not-quite-sex, are helping dethrone college bars from their place as meat markets.
Students have spent so many hours pregaming (as in, getting as cost-efficiently drunk as possible, usually on hard liquor at a private party) that there is little need to waste money even on cut-price drinks, and they often don't arrive at the bars until midnight or so, before the bars in Ithaca close at 1 a.m.
"Students don't need bars to create a community the way they used to," said Stephani Robson, a senior lecturer in the School of Hotel Administration at Cornell who specializes in restaurant psychology.
And it's not just at Ivy League Cornell, where the libraries are open later than the bars, but in college towns across America like Iowa City, where at least four bars have closed since 2011.
Bars near Gettysburg College in Pennsylvania are so peripheral to Lanie Parr's social life that she doesn't know what time they close. That is not because she doesn't drink. "We sometimes pregame even the pregame," she said.
Pregames often are single sex, with men playing beer pong or video games, and women drinking vodka sodas or a peach-flavored Champagne called André and refusing to head out until they have captured the perfect photo, which they promptly post to Instagram and Facebook.
"You could have this really amazing night, but if you didn't get a picture, it's like it didn't happen," said Ms. Parr, 22, a senior at Gettysburg, whose friends often order designer outfits from the Rent the Runway Web site because incessant documenting makes wearing anything more than twice taboo. "It's crazy how much pictures consume our lives. Everyone knows how to pose and how to hold your arm and which way is most flattering, and everyone wants the picture taken with their phone."
That preamble tends to delay arrival time at bars, another factor in their decline. At Cornell, three Collegetown bars have closed in the last year, including the 71-year-old Royal Palm Tavern, a storied dive where students convened at "Palms o'clock," meaning in time for one last drink.
"These kids today won't pay even $2 for a drink," said the former owner, Lenny Leonardo, as he cruised down a highway in Florida, where he retired in August. "They buy a bottle of Southern Comfort and show up in time to try to get laid. But they just end up throwing up in my men's room, and I get reprimanded because it looks like I'm the one who let them get this drunk."
In an effort to appeal to increasingly demanding students, bars are cleaning up their sticky-as-caramel floors, installing midcentury modern furniture, and offering more hard liquor. This while struggling to keep prices low. "Students want to get drunker faster and cheaper," said Jason Sidle, general manager of Rulloff's Restaurant and Bar in Collegetown. In its last decade, the Royal Palm Tavern sold about twice as much hard liquor as it had in the previous one, Mr. Leonardo said.
Mike McLaughlin, 21, a senior at Cornell, said, "I drink liquor because it takes too long to drink beer." On the drinks menu at Rulloff's, "Bitch Fuel" (vodka, gin, rum, peach schnapps and lemon-lime soda) is a popular recent addition, but Mr. Sidle has also required all his bartenders to download mixologist apps to their phones. "We get all these requests for weird drinks we've never heard of because they've seen someone drinking it on Facebook," he said.
After sales slumped in recent years at He's Not Here, the oldest bar in Chapel Hill, home of the University of North Carolina, Dave Kitzmiller, the bar's longtime owner, added murals and spruced up the restrooms. "Ours had such a bad rap, the ladies didn't want to come because of them, and if the ladies don't want to come you've got a problem," he said, adding that they began serving $12 bottles of Champagne, which women empty into the bar's famous 32-ounce beer cups.
Mr. Kitzmiller, who retired in March after more than 40 years as owner, said he used to order 100 cases apiece of Schlitz and Budweiser and sell them all in a weekend. (At capacity, the bar accommodates 1,000 patrons.) Now, he said:"No one orders bottles anymore unless it's the ladies drinking those flavored things like Smirnoff's. It's all draught and craft."
Meanwhile, crackdowns on serving under-age patrons coupled with students increasingly fearful of fake identification troubles trailing them to the job market have further cut bars' clientele. By midafternoon most days, the pleading Facebook messages start popping up on upperclassmen's phones: "Need a handle!" (Translation: a half-gallon of liquor.)
"These freshmen, if they've met you once, they'll ask," said Ally Momo, 21, a Cornell senior. "They'd never ask you in person, but they'll find you on Facebook."
Cornell's freshmen may be especially desperate, she said. The university banned them from fraternity parties after an alcohol-poisoning death in 2011. Now entry to a fraternity party requires an iPod-touch-like scanner for student IDs that flashes up the class year and prevents any card from being used more than once an evening.
But no matter where the drinking is done, the morning after is often the same. Tracy O'Hara, 21, a Cornell senior, said: "I can't imagine what it was like before Facebook when you could just spend the morning after a big night out recovering. Now you have to spend, like, an hour untagging photos. And then you read your texts and you're like, 'Oh, so that's what I did last night.' " (It's job-recruiting season, which means even most students who can drink legally untag every photo, she said.)
Her friend Mr. McLaughlin (who estimated he sent 25 texts as well as an e-mail to his fraternity listserv just plotting the start of his evening) could have a lot of reading to do.
After drinking two Manhattans, a half-bottle of wine, a glass of Champagne in celebration of a friend's job offer and almost a half- bottle of vodka, Mr. McLaughlin decided, about 11:15 p.m., to rally his friends to go to Dunbar's for its "Group Therapy": $6 for a pitcher of beer and a carafe of kamikaze shots of vodka, Triple Sec and lime.
But after he ordered ( though before he paid), a friend received a text about a more appealing deal: Women they wanted to hang out with had staked out a table at Rulloff's. The group made the five-minute trek uphill, passing Pixel Lounge, an arcade-turned-bar where students often end up to dance and hook up.
"If it's before midnight, it's too early to go there," said Peter Brogan, 21, who was in the male pre-fall evening uniform of shorts, a button-down shirt and flip-flops. Downstairs at Rulloff's, the group became so involved in a drinking game called Fingers that suddenly it was 12:45 a.m., too late to go to Pixel. They texted to find out how long the line was at the hot dog truck a block away (too long), then split roughly along gender lines, the women wanting frozen yogurt and the men, Collegetown Bagels.
Mr. McLaughlin downed two bagel sandwiches and flipped back and forth between Facebook updates and texts, looking for hookup contenders. Mr. Brogan (who would like the record to reflect, especially for his parents, that he has a job after graduation) sipped a pint glass of sangria left by a previous patron and shot down prospects. "Don't do that," he said to Mr. McLaughlin, referring to one woman. "She likes you."
"Come on, let's go smoke cigars and play drunken Madden," Mr. Brogan said, moving his thumbs to mime an Xbox controller. Mr. McLaughlin's phone lit up and he jumped, but alas, it was only a Facebook status update.
Good. The kids need to cut their drinking money to pay for ever higher tuition. :(
Definitely true in the UK too.
The student union at my uni sucked massively, all the old timers I knew said it hadn't always been so that once it was the place to meet, etc....
This was more due to there being more competition and cheaper prices out in the city in general than technology though.
I really am interested in the way technology shapes society like this. It makes things better and easier and you're an idiot to willfully go without....but a world without in many ways would be better.
Quote from: Tyr on September 27, 2012, 11:31:01 PM
I really am interested in the way technology shapes society like this. It makes things better and easier and you're an idiot to willfully go without....but a world without in many ways would be better.
:bewaretamas:
Quote from: Tyr on September 27, 2012, 11:31:01 PM
It makes things better and easier and you're an idiot to willfully go without....
Hey, fuck you, man.
Quotebut a world without in many ways would be better.
There you go.
Christ, kids today.
I never drink outside the crystal fortress. We invite a select few over, but who'd want to leave the glittering opulence and magnificent company of the crystal fortress for the cultural chernobyl that is Martin, TN?
People who want to get laid.
How swiftly you'd withdraw that statement, if you but saw the belles of Martin, TN!
Sounds bloody awful :mad:, didn't make it to the end of the article, it was making me too depressed :(
Reminds me of the cross-realm looking for group facility, makes things easier but leads to soulless dungeon runs.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 27, 2012, 11:39:10 PM
Quote from: Tyr on September 27, 2012, 11:31:01 PM
I really am interested in the way technology shapes society like this. It makes things better and easier and you're an idiot to willfully go without....but a world without in many ways would be better.
:bewaretamas:
no shit! Luddite
London Metropolitan University is considering an alcohol ban on campus out of cultural sensitivity as 20% of its students are Muslim. The vice-chancellor said, "It may be 'nostalgic' to suggest most students still want to have drunken nights out."
In unrelated news, London Metropolitan University is facing a ban on recruitment of overseas students as it issued visas to individuals who did not meet immigration requirements, and those currently studying there might be deported...
Quote from: Brazen on September 28, 2012, 05:09:57 AM
London Metropolitan University is considering an alcohol ban on campus out of cultural sensitivity as 20% of its students are Muslim. The vice-chancellor said, "It may be 'nostalgic' to suggest most students still want to have drunken nights out."
QuoteIn unrelated news, London Metropolitan University is facing a ban on recruitment of overseas students as it issued visas to individuals who did not meet immigration requirements, and those currently studying there might be deported...
On behalf of western civilization's security concerns, thank you.
Quote from: Brazen on September 28, 2012, 05:09:57 AM
London Metropolitan University is considering an alcohol ban on campus out of cultural sensitivity as 20% of its students are Muslim. The vice-chancellor said, "It may be 'nostalgic' to suggest most students still want to have drunken nights out."
That's fucked up.
I don't know much about this. Took to long to get into boring Palo Alto. We just had lots of campus parties.
Meh, the kids are doing what they want. Let them have fun in their own way. They'll still get pissed drunk, just not at a bar.
Bunch of old cranky bastards here. Honestly. :rolleyes:
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 28, 2012, 07:51:06 AM
Meh, the kids are doing what they want. Let them have fun in their own way. They'll still get pissed drunk, just not at a bar.
Bunch of old cranky bastards here. Honestly. :rolleyes:
You're missing the point of being a grown up.
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 28, 2012, 02:57:19 AM
How swiftly you'd withdraw that statement, if you but saw the belles of Martin, TN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUzZfWrMdfc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUzZfWrMdfc)
Not an impressive bunch, but for a normal dude who has a libido they'll do.
Quote from: Brazen on September 28, 2012, 05:09:57 AM
London Metropolitan University is considering an alcohol ban on campus out of cultural sensitivity as 20% of its students are Muslim. The vice-chancellor said, "It may be ‘nostalgic’ to suggest most students still want to have drunken nights out."
In unrelated news, London Metropolitan University is facing a ban on recruitment of overseas students as it issued visas to individuals who did not meet immigration requirements, and those currently studying there might be deported...
Wait 20% of its students are practicing Muslims? But I guess that makes sense. I would get the fuck out of Pakistan to.
The idea of university students going to bars is alien to me. When I was in university, I didn't know anybody who went to a bar. Students should study and get jobs.
QuotePregames often are single sex, with . . . women drinking vodka sodas or a peach-flavored Champagne called André
Oy gevult
Quote from: Monoriu on September 28, 2012, 10:58:06 AM
The idea of university students going to bars is alien to me. When I was in university, I didn't know anybody who went to a bar. Students should study and get jobs.
I thought getting into University was the big thing in Asia but once you got there you could finally cut loose a bit. So that is not true? When do you get to cease to be a humorless repressed person?
But I do not think you are being accurate here. The Chinese students at UT are not really like this.
They didn't invite Mono because they thought he was a
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Rectangle?
:yes:
So you benighted Yuros know what's being discussed, a college bar is a privately owned bar in the town where the college is located, frequented by students. A bar that is actually run by the college and located on the school grounds is called something like "the campus pub."
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 28, 2012, 12:09:05 PM
QuotePregames often are single sex, with . . . women drinking vodka sodas or a peach-flavored Champagne called André
Oy gevult
I used to drink so much André. :wub:
Of course that was because it was like $2.50 a bottle at the grocery store. Here in New York it is like $7. <_<
Also, my pre-games typically involved straight men and women.
Quote from: Brazen on September 28, 2012, 05:09:57 AM
London Metropolitan University is considering an alcohol ban on campus out of cultural sensitivity as 20% of its students are Muslim. The vice-chancellor said, "It may be 'nostalgic' to suggest most students still want to have drunken nights out."
In unrelated news, London Metropolitan University is facing a ban on recruitment of overseas students as it issued visas to individuals who did not meet immigration requirements, and those currently studying there might be deported...
Call me a snob, but a former poly overseas-student fee-mill sucking up to muslims doesn't egg me up much. But, seriously, a vice-chancellor who doesn't think that most students want drunken nights out doesn't get students.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 28, 2012, 02:27:00 PM
So you benighted Yuros know what's being discussed, a college bar is a privately owned bar in the town where the college is located, frequented by students. A bar that is actually run by the college and located on the school grounds is called something like "the campus pub."
This discussion could therefore be used as a case study in how sharing the same language can lead to mutual comprehension :huh:
From my vantage point a University is divided into a number of colleges each of which will have its own bar, probably run by the JCR (undergraduates), perhaps with the assistance of professional staff. In addition the Student's Union will have a vast bar serving crappy beer. Pubs are, of course, public houses, ie private businesses that welcome anyone as customers. But then, I'm thinking of the arrangements at Durham, many/most? British Universities are not collegiate in structure, which is rather foolish of them but there it is.
To prevent the possibility of further confusion, "cop bars" are not actually run by cops either. :P
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on September 28, 2012, 03:28:07 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 28, 2012, 02:27:00 PM
So you benighted Yuros know what's being discussed, a college bar is a privately owned bar in the town where the college is located, frequented by students. A bar that is actually run by the college and located on the school grounds is called something like "the campus pub."
This discussion could therefore be used as a case study in how sharing the same language can lead to mutual comprehension :huh:
From my vantage point a University is divided into a number of colleges each of which will have its own bar, probably run by the JCR (undergraduates), perhaps with the assistance of professional staff. In addition the Student's Union will have a vast bar serving crappy beer. Pubs are, of course, public houses, ie private businesses that welcome anyone as customers. But then, I'm thinking of the arrangements at Durham, many/most? British Universities are not collegiate in structure, which is rather foolish of them but there it is.
I was very confused at Oxford how some of the colleges allowed wine to be purchased using one's meal plan. :D
Then there were the "peeler bars" that came up in conversation on Languish a while back. "Peeler" is old-fashioned slang for a copper in the UK (after Sir Robert Peel), so naturally I initially assumed that we were talking about cop bars...........it was most mystifying for about 10 minutes or so :lol:
My college town village didn't have a proper bar. We had to drive the 20-30 minutes to Kiel for any semblance of nightlife. OTOH, the beach was 15 minutes away.
We had this one guy who had a very good knowledge of cocktails, the necessary utensils and how to properly mix them. So twice or so per semester he'd collect 20 Marks from each of us, buy spirits, syrups etc. and set up cocktail menus with a choice of 5-8 drinks for the evening.
On a slightly related note, I hear tales from the old-timers that Air Force squadrons often used to have their own bar, and Airmen would wind down a Friday together.
Also, that base enlisted clubs used to be a much bigger, social environment. Nowadays, those places seem barely inhabited except for the odd special/ceremonial event, or those poor suckers still stuck living on base.
I tried getting into bar culture in college but it was too opaque and I never felt comfotable.
Quote from: Valmy on September 28, 2012, 12:11:03 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on September 28, 2012, 10:58:06 AM
The idea of university students going to bars is alien to me. When I was in university, I didn't know anybody who went to a bar. Students should study and get jobs.
I thought getting into University was the big thing in Asia but once you got there you could finally cut loose a bit. So that is not true? When do you get to cease to be a humorless repressed person?
When he ceases to be a person and becomes a corpse.