http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9510094/Marseille-mayor-calls-for-army-to-be-deployed-to-tackle-gang-warfare.html
QuoteFrançois Hollande on Thursday faced calls from the Socialist mayor of a tough Marseille neighbourhood to send in the army to tackle the city's gang warfare.
The appeal highlighted the escalating drug violence in the Mediterranean port city that claimed its 14th victim in eight months earlier this week.
Kalashnikov-wielding gangsters shot dead Walid Marzouki, 25, a suspected trafficker, at close range on Wednesday night as he drove his black Twingo in the streets of France's second biggest city.
It was the second gangland killing this month and the latest in a wave of deaths to hit Marseille Nord, one of the city's toughest drug-infested suburbs, sparking Samia Ghali, the Socialist mayor of two local districts, to call for military intervention.
"Faced with the weapons of war being used by these networks, only the army can intervene," Miss Ghali, also a senator, told local newspaper La Provence.
She said that the army should set up roadblocks around neighbourhoods to vet inhabitants for weapons and drugs "like in times of war".
"It no longer makes any difference to send in a police car to stop the dealers. When 10 of them are arrested, 10 others take up the torch. It's like fighting an anthill."
Politicians from Left and Right widely rejected Miss Ghali's call.
Speaking from Madrid, President Hollande said: "The army has no place in controlling the districts of the French Republic", pointing out that gendarmes, who have a military status, are already present in many areas.
Manuel Valls, the interior minister, said: "It is out of the question for the army to respond to these tragedies and crimes. There is no internal enemy."
But he promised a "comprehensive, in-depth and particularly strong" response to the shootings.
On Thursday, Marseille's Right-wing mayor, Jean-Claude Gaudin, slammed Miss Ghali's remarks as "irresponsible", saying the city needed "police reinforcements, not a call to civil war".
Police were also sceptical. David-Olivier Reverdy of the Alliance union said: "France is not at war. Each to their own profession. Rather give us the means to fight against underground (drug) trafficking."
Marseille is renowned as a vibrant Meditteranean melting pot, with a beautiful old port. It will be the European capital of culture in 2013. But the city's uphill battle against gangland killings and rising petty crime has been the bane of Left and Right-wing leaders.
Former president Nicolas Sarkozy changed the city's police chief three times in 18 months to tackle a series of violent murders, heists and robberies, including seven "home-jackings" of Olympique Marseille footballers in a year.
The second chief to go, Gilles Leclair was fired after declaring: "I cannot resolve all on my own the difficulties of a poor city which has for the past 50 years suffered from immigration and a tradition of gangsters."
The Socialists cited Marseille as proof that Mr Sarkozy's crime-fighting record was a "fiasco", found itself accused by the Right yesterday of "laxism".
In response, Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said he would chair crisis talks with senior ministers next Thursday on tackling Marseille's problems. The district where the killing took place will be one of 15 "priority zones" Mr Valls has pledged to set up around France to root out crime and violence.
Mr Gaudin said creating such a zone would be insufficient to control a situation that was "worsening every day".
There have been more killings in the past eight months than for the whole of 2011, according to Marseille public prosecutor Jacques Dallest. He warned last year that parts of parts of Marseille were like "the favelas of Rio".
If only France had the right to bear arms, so that the drug trafickers could defend themselves. :(
:P
As one of those general rules of history like "don't march on moscow" and "never fight a land war in asia" "don't let the french army do crowd control" has got to be one of the basics
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Napoleon's whiff of grapeshot worked out a lot better for him than his march on Moscow.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 01, 2012, 12:54:55 PM
Napoleon's whiff of grapeshot worked out a lot better for him than his march on Moscow.
didn't work out well for the guys that let him do the crowd control :contract:
I suppose not.
Quote from: Viking on September 01, 2012, 12:48:56 PM
As one of those general rules of history like "don't march on moscow" and "never fight a land war in asia" "don't let the french army do crowd control" has got to be one of the basics
Paris Commune? :hmm:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 01, 2012, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: Viking on September 01, 2012, 12:48:56 PM
As one of those general rules of history like "don't march on moscow" and "never fight a land war in asia" "don't let the french army do crowd control" has got to be one of the basics
Paris Commune? :hmm:
Assaulting a defended city /= crowd control
They should invite the German army instead. That always gets results.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 01, 2012, 05:32:08 PM
They should invite the German army instead. That always gets results.
The Bundeswehr is neither a Reichsheer or a Wehrmacht.
Nothing like the Red Army for crushing resistance.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 01, 2012, 05:46:57 PM
Nothing like the Red Army for crushing resistance.
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Ahmed Shah Mahsood begs to differ.
Bah. Are their mountains i Marseilles? No. Is there a major power willing to smuggle in weapons and trained personnel? Just Algeria.
If they're going to bother deploying the Army, they should at least have them shoot the gangsters instead of tackling them.
I also like how that mayor goes "OMG 14 dead in 8 months, deploy teh army!"
While in many U.S. cities those numbers would be heralded as a miraculous improvement. :D
And as U.S. cities in general are a far cry from being lawless zones of anarchy, I think she's a bit too nervous for her job.
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Multiculturalism is disgusting.
Quote from: Siege on September 01, 2012, 11:58:46 PM
Multiculturalism is disgusting.
Says the Sefardi Jew living in the United States.
Quote from: Siege on September 01, 2012, 11:58:46 PM
Multiculturalism is disgusting.
France is hardly multiculturalist, and fortunately the rest of Western Europe begins to follow the suit. We have already started banning circumcision of boys, halal/kosher slaughter of animals and soon wearing of a religious-mandated garb in public will be prohibited. What else would you like us to do???
Quote from: Valmy on September 02, 2012, 12:03:09 AM
Quote from: Siege on September 01, 2012, 11:58:46 PM
Multiculturalism is disgusting.
Says the Sefardi Jew living in the United States.
I really love his idiocy.
:secret:
Read your own article, it's not the (conservative) mayor who asked for the French army but a (socialist) senator. Senators have not that much power or things to do, incidentally.
As for Marseille, it has always been a messy place (Hitler and others wanted to destroy it or at least some criminal neighborhood) and I can't see that changing.
Quotethe Socialist mayor of two local districts
She's A mayor of Marseilles, not THE mayor of Marseilles, and I never claimed that she was.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 02, 2012, 02:59:44 AM
As for Marseille, it has always been a messy place
What an outrage! Marseille is the auspicious conjunction between Celts and Hellenes! It is a gem of culture and malaise! It has a special place in the firmament of yukkuri existence.
Quote from: Syt on September 02, 2012, 03:03:21 AM
Quotethe Socialist mayor of two local districts
She's A mayor of Marseilles, not THE mayor of Marseilles, and I never claimed that she was.
Misleading headline. District mayors have not the same powers as the mayor.
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 02, 2012, 03:09:53 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 02, 2012, 02:59:44 AM
As for Marseille, it has always been a messy place
What an outrage! Marseille is the auspicious conjunction between Celts and Hellenes! It is a gem of culture and malaise! It has a special place in the firmament of yukkuri existence.
Go there and/or speak to a local and see how much of the Celtic and Hellenic culture remains nowadays.
If it remains at all, I might find them to be lazy, standoffish, and possessed of a superiority complex.
Are you really so sure it disappeared? But then, also, to be go pleasantly into decline fits the culture as well..
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 02, 2012, 03:41:11 AM
If it remains at all, I might find them to be lazy, standoffish, and possessed of a superiority complex.
Are those the stereotypes of Arabs these days?
Quote from: Martinus on September 02, 2012, 02:47:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 02, 2012, 12:03:09 AM
Quote from: Siege on September 01, 2012, 11:58:46 PM
Multiculturalism is disgusting.
Says the Sefardi Jew living in the United States.
I really love his idiocy.
Considering you're a Pole who tries to act like a Westerner though you still live in Poland, you don't have much room to talk here. :P
Quote from: Syt on September 01, 2012, 11:44:02 PM
I also like how that mayor goes "OMG 14 dead in 8 months, deploy teh army!"
While in many U.S. cities those numbers would be heralded as a miraculous improvement. :D
And as U.S. cities in general are a far cry from being lawless zones of anarchy, I think she's a bit too nervous for her job.
Yep. You got a good head on your shoulders kid. :)