.... Or maybe not. :hmm:
Take a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE&feature=youtu.be)
It's being reposted on facebook and the internet, and yet to my eyes doesn't appear to show what it purports to be.
What do our law talkers make of it ?
The background is it's a Critical Mass 'demonstration' from just before the Olympics, I'll leave my criticism of those clowns for another day, I think it originated in the Waterloo area and travelled up toward the Olympic Park, though I think this incident is early in the evening before any of them managed to cross the river.
There's no wheelchair involved, he seems capable of standing and at the 27 second mark 'assaults' the office by grabbing the back-left side of the officers jacket, who then reacts and to which the 'disabled' man appears to undergo some form of religious revelatory healing, sufficient for him to then pin the younger, fitter policeman to the bonnet of the silver car.
From what I see in the video, it's an open and shut case, he assaulted the officer, does this video have any specific legal status as evidence ?
Quote from: mongers on July 30, 2012, 09:08:42 PM
.... Or maybe not. :hmm:
Take a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE&feature=youtu.be)
It's being reposted on facebook and the internet, and yet to my eyes doesn't appear to show what it purports to be.
What do our law talkers make of it ?
The background is it's a Critical Mass 'demonstration' from just before the Olympics, I'll leave my criticism of those clowns for another day, I think it originated in the Waterloo area and travelled up toward the Olympic Park, though I think this incident is early in the evening before any of them managed to cross the river.
There's no wheelchair involved, he seems capable of standing and at the 27 second mark 'assaults' the office by grabbing the back-left side of the officers jacket, who then reacts and to which the 'disabled' man appears to undergo some form of religious revelatory healing, sufficient for him to then pin the younger, fitter policeman to the bonnet of the silver car.
From what I see in the video, it's an open and shut case, he assaulted the officer, does this video have any specific legal status as evidence ?
The man with the long white hair and beard with whom the officer struggles for a good bit wasn't in a wheelchair. And yes, it seems clear that he grabbed ahold of the officer before the officer ever touched him.
There is, however, a man who
might be in a wheelchair at the start of the video, but maybe he's on a bike. I can't really tell. The police seem to be pulling the girl with red in her hair off of him, but I don't think she was assaulting him, just trying to hold onto him so that the police couldn't take her away. (And yes, her trying to hold onto him like that might technically qualify as assault, but it wouldn't be an assault as a normal non-lawyer would consider it. And she pretty clearly wasn't a cop.)
Critical Mass is also the name of the event where cyclists (in SF and either Portland or Washington) essentially shutdown a stretch of city streets in a mass bicycle parade. I think in SF it happened every month. Fuckers.
Quote from: garbon on July 30, 2012, 09:45:43 PM
Critical Mass is also the name of the event where cyclists (in SF and either Portland or Washington) essentially shutdown a stretch of city streets in a mass bicycle parade. I think in SF it happened every month. Fuckers.
These are the same sort of hipster clowns. :mad:
Quote from: garbon on July 30, 2012, 09:45:43 PM
Critical Mass is also the name of the event where cyclists (in SF and either Portland or Washington) essentially shutdown a stretch of city streets in a mass bicycle parade. I think in SF it happened every month. Fuckers.
Same in Warsaw. I always want to take part in one (I own a bicycle and I don't own a car) but always miss it. In Warsaw, they actually organize it on last Friday of a month at 6 p.m. - so every motorist who wants to get out of the city for the weekend must be extra-pissed. :lol:
Quote from: Martinus on July 31, 2012, 03:34:33 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 30, 2012, 09:45:43 PM
Critical Mass is also the name of the event where cyclists (in SF and either Portland or Washington) essentially shutdown a stretch of city streets in a mass bicycle parade. I think in SF it happened every month. Fuckers.
Same in Warsaw. I always want to take part in one (I own a bicycle and I don't own a car) but always miss it. In Warsaw, they actually organize it on last Friday of a month at 6 p.m. - so every motorist who wants to get out of the city for the weekend must be extra-pissed. :lol:
Yeah, they are assholes.
He's a big hairy thug of a biker on a trike. Look at the front wheel around 0:41 - it's half a Harley! They're trying to get him off it before he rides away. Typical anti-authority pedal-pushers with no respect for the law trying to bend the truth. Next time they try to mow me down on the pavement, crossing the road or at a red light I'm sticking a crowbar in their spokes.
Quote from: Brazen on July 31, 2012, 06:56:03 AM
Next time they try to mow me down on the pavement, crossing the road or at a red light I'm sticking a crowbar in their spokes.
:)
Quote from: Brazen on July 31, 2012, 06:56:03 AM
He's a big hairy thug of a biker on a trike. Look at the front wheel around 0:41 - it's half a Harley! They're trying to get him off it before he rides away. Typical anti-authority pedal-pushers with no respect for the law trying to bend the truth. Next time they try to mow me down on the pavement, crossing the road or at a red light I'm sticking a crowbar in their spokes.
You are right to do so.
Quote from: Martinus on July 31, 2012, 03:34:33 AM
Same in Warsaw. I always want to take part in one (I own a bicycle and I don't own a car) but always miss it. In Warsaw, they actually organize it on last Friday of a month at 6 p.m. - so every motorist who wants to get out of the city for the weekend must be extra-pissed. :lol:
Why am I not surprised. :hmm:
Quote from: mongers on July 30, 2012, 10:09:42 PM
These are the same sort of hipster clowns. :mad:
Here we go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass
And this:
QuoteAlthough it does not condone incidents of violence and rudeness, the San Francisco Bicycle Coalition credits Critical Mass with spotlighting bicycle issues and aiding their efforts in advocating for cyclists.
:bleeding:
Get a real cause!
Quote from: garbon on July 31, 2012, 08:15:57 AM
Here we go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass
And this:
QuoteAlthough it does not condone incidents of violence and rudeness, the San Francisco Bicycle Coalition credits Critical Mass with spotlighting bicycle issues and aiding their efforts in advocating for cyclists.
:bleeding:
Get a real cause!
Word.
Similar in SF are the nudism activists. As if that's a real pressing issue.
Quote from: Brazen on July 31, 2012, 06:56:03 AM
He's a big hairy thug of a biker on a trike. Look at the front wheel around 0:41 - it's half a Harley! They're trying to get him off it before he rides away. Typical anti-authority pedal-pushers with no respect for the law trying to bend the truth. Next time they try to mow me down on the pavement, crossing the road or at a red light I'm sticking a crowbar in their spokes.
Maybe two wrongs don't make a right ? :unsure:
FWIW, I often find myself in dispute with bike redl ight jumpers. <_<
And it's not the mode of transport that makes someone a tool it's the areshole inside or riding it that does.
A few days ago I had to put a motorcyclist in his place as he was about to undertake both me and the motorist beside me at a traffic red light. :rolleyes:
Quote from: mongers on July 31, 2012, 09:05:16 AMAnd it's not the mode of transport that makes someone a tool it's the areshole inside or riding it that does.
Difficult to see the importance of maintaining the distinction when there is such a high degree of co-occurrence.
Quote from: garbon on July 31, 2012, 08:44:17 AM
Similar in SF are the nudism activists. As if that's a real pressing issue.
I don't know about the nudists, haven't encountered that sort of 'protest' and at least one can avert ones gaze, but the CM lot is a classic example of protest for protest sake.
And from my experience it's hugely counter-productive, as they intentionally set out to cause traffic chaos; one of the terms they use is 'corking' junctions/intersections, you can guess what the idea behind that is.
So that give the lie to the claim that they're just slow moving collections of cyclists legally using the roads or 'reclaiming' them.
Think of all the people in buses are cars, having to get places who are delayed by these clown's antics and how that negatively affects their opinions about all cyclists.
As I say I doubt many of these are 'real' cyclist, by that I mean people who use bikes for the majority of their journeys for lengthy periods of their lives; I'm guessing the majority of these people are urban protestoarti who jump on whatever the current protest bandwagon is, get themselves a bike, get into the 'scene', enjoy causing trouble whilst thinking its cleaver and socking it to The Man.
The reality is they just degrade the city experience of many more of their fellow citizens than their own self-righteous numbers at these gatherings.
The nudists in SF don't really protest so much as they just walk around naked all the time. However, there is a group of them that rally together and share info on what are their rights and how they can gain greater acceptance.
Quote from: mongers on July 31, 2012, 09:19:37 AM
As I say I doubt many of these are 'real' cyclist, by that I mean people who use bikes for the majority of their journeys for lengthy periods of their lives
Who are these people?
Anyway, whether you like it or not, those that you disdain are cyclists as well. And I'd suggest other than the pros, they are the cyclists most in view - especially as they agitate for more and more bike lanes.