Poll
Question:
On a regular basis, what chores do you do around the house?
Option 1: Dishes
Option 2: Laundry
Option 3: Sweeping
Option 4: Dusting
Option 5: Picking Up
Option 6: None - that's wimmen's work.
The women that I work with and I had the whole emasculation conversation over lunch. One of the women suggested that this is why men avoid housework. (None of their husbands would say no to helping, but they would avoid it if at all possible.)
It seems that the majority of men on here in a committed relationship tend toward being very helpful to their partners, or at least they claim to be. Does this extend to the household chores?
Obviously, the single folks are going to skew the results a bit since they kind of HAVE to do this stuff. I'm still wondering.
EDIT: I omitted childcare because I'm going to assume that all of you dads do a good job of taking care of the tykes. You certainly all seem like great dads on the face of it, so it was kind of a non-starter.
I'll answer for my father when my parents were married. He did all of it.
edit: and he felt emasculated.
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2012, 01:03:21 PM
I'll answer for my father when my parents were married. He did all of it.
edit: and he felt emasculated.
Wow. Really? Why did he do all of it?
And his generation was taught to feel emasculated for doing housework. That was, most definitely, women's work. Makes sense that he would. Hopefully, men today don't feel the same way.
Needs an "Everything, even though it's wimmen's work" option ;)
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:09:37 PM
Needs an "Everything, even though it's wimmen's work" option ;)
You can answer up to 5 options. :)
Honestly my wife does the laungry, and most of the sweeping / vacuuming. We share on the dishes and general picking-up.
But you missed a whole bunch. We share on cooking, but I probably do 2/3rds of it. I am the one who cleans the bathrooms. I do the garbage and clean the yard (more traditionally male tasks, but its still work). I clean the cat litter.
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 01:05:28 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2012, 01:03:21 PM
I'll answer for my father when my parents were married. He did all of it.
edit: and he felt emasculated.
Wow. Really? Why did he do all of it?
And his generation was taught to feel emasculated for doing housework. That was, most definitely, women's work. Makes sense that he would. Hopefully, men today don't feel the same way.
My mother had the career while he stayed at home - so it wast mostly only fair that he did most (we did get a maid at one point that "alleviated" his position.
Having said the above, I don't hate or resist housework because it's emasculating. I do so partly because I'm lazy and partly because the kids will mess everything up 2 seconds later. Also partly because it just doesn't feel natural or fulfilling. I'm not into the nesting thing. I'd rather spend 5 hours working out in the yard in 90 degree heat than spend 30 minutes doing household chores.
Housework doesn't feel natural? :unsure:
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 01:11:40 PM
Honestly my wife does the laungry, and most of the sweeping / vacuuming. We share on the dishes and general picking-up.
But you missed a whole bunch. We share on cooking, but I probably do 2/3rds of it. I am the one who cleans the bathrooms. I do the garbage and clean the yard (more traditionally male tasks, but its still work). I clean the cat litter.
Yeah, I kind of stuck to the every day things. I don't really think of cooking as a chore, either, so that one got past me.
And none of this surprises me with you. :hug:
The one good things about my ex being so lazy is that my work load around the house didn't increase when she left, I already did everything.
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:15:17 PM
Having said the above, I don't hate or resist housework because it's emasculating. I do so partly because I'm lazy and partly because the kids will mess everything up 2 seconds later. Also partly because it just doesn't feel natural or fulfilling. I'm not into the nesting thing. I'd rather spend 5 hours working out in the yard in 90 degree heat than spend 30 minutes doing household chores.
:blink:
Huh? What the hell does that even mean?!
I do all of it sometimes, but realistically my wife does more of it most of the time. I feel like I ought to do more of it in all fairness.
I do do almost all of the yard work and fixing and so on, though, so I guess it evens out a bit. I do more of the dog-walking too.
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2012, 01:16:53 PM
Housework doesn't feel natural? :unsure:
Not for me. Unfortunately, not so much for the wife, either since they had a maid growing up and she never had to do any chores. Shit, *I* had to teach her how to clean. How messed up is that?
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2012, 01:16:53 PM
Housework doesn't feel natural? :unsure:
Not for me. Unfortunately, not so much for the wife, either since they had a maid growing up and she never had to do any chores. Shit, *I* had to teach her how to clean. How messed up is that?
I'm still not sure I understand natural though. I mean I hate cleaning but I wouldn't say it is unnatural. Care to clarify? :D
I do all of these, in rotation. But only I vacuum or do windows.
None. I pay a nice Romanian lady to do them for me.
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 01:00:21 PM
Obviously, the single folks are going to skew the results a bit since they kind of HAVE to do this stuff. I'm still wondering.
No we don't. See above.
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 01:19:09 PM
Huh? What the hell does that even mean?!
I actually like doing yard/outside work. It's fulfilling. If I've done a good job on the lawn & it looks nice, I'm proud of it and don't mind the physical effort one bit. Same goes for fixing things, installing/replacing appliances, light fixtures, etc. But if I do housework, even if I do a decent job of it, I get no such fulfillment. I honestly wish I did.
All of it. My Girl is lazy, my kid is still too small.
She will do some of it, I just have to order it multiple times.
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 01:19:09 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:15:17 PM
Having said the above, I don't hate or resist housework because it's emasculating. I do so partly because I'm lazy and partly because the kids will mess everything up 2 seconds later. Also partly because it just doesn't feel natural or fulfilling. I'm not into the nesting thing. I'd rather spend 5 hours working out in the yard in 90 degree heat than spend 30 minutes doing household chores.
:blink:
Huh? What the hell does that even mean?!
I don't know about natural, but some housework is more enjoyable than others. I do more of the cooking because I find it satisfying - providing food for the family, being a bit creative with what you cook. I like doing yardwork because it gets you outside.
But I hate doing laundry - its just so dull and tedious. My wife says she doesn't mind doing it - find it relaxing. So to each their own.
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2012, 01:22:20 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2012, 01:16:53 PM
Housework doesn't feel natural? :unsure:
Not for me. Unfortunately, not so much for the wife, either since they had a maid growing up and she never had to do any chores. Shit, *I* had to teach her how to clean. How messed up is that?
I'm still not sure I understand natural though. I mean I hate cleaning but I wouldn't say it is unnatural. Care to clarify? :D
All I can say is that it doesn't feel natural for me to be doing it. Besides, you're gay, so cleaning would obviously feel natural to you :)
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:27:47 PM
All I can say is that it doesn't feel natural for me to be doing it. Besides, you're gay, so cleaning would obviously feel natural to you :)
Didn't I just say that I don't like to clean? :unsure:
So is a natural state for humans - a big, jumbly mess? :unsure:
What do you mean by natural? From what you said to Meri it seems like you just mean you don't derive pleasure from it...?
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 01:27:32 PM
I don't know about natural, but some housework is more enjoyable than others. I do more of the cooking because I find it satisfying - providing food for the family, being a bit creative with what you cook. I like doing yardwork because it gets you outside.
But I hate doing laundry - its just so dull and tedious. My wife says she doesn't mind doing it - find it relaxing. So to each their own.
I don't mind doing laundry, per se. And surprisingly I'm better at it than my wife, in terms of knowing how to separate clothes & whatnot. But I abhor folding clothes and am pretty lousy at it. I'm not much into cooking outside of grilling or making chili, but thankfully the wife loves to cook.
What gets me about dividing up chores is that the wife always bitches about how she has to do more than 50% of them and doesn't count yardwork because she knows that's something I like doing. She also doesn't count gathering up & taking out the garbage because that's "a man's job anyway".
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:32:13 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 01:27:32 PM
I don't know about natural, but some housework is more enjoyable than others. I do more of the cooking because I find it satisfying - providing food for the family, being a bit creative with what you cook. I like doing yardwork because it gets you outside.
But I hate doing laundry - its just so dull and tedious. My wife says she doesn't mind doing it - find it relaxing. So to each their own.
I don't mind doing laundry, per se. And surprisingly I'm better at it than my wife, in terms of knowing how to separate clothes & whatnot. But I abhor folding clothes and am pretty lousy at it. I'm not much into cooking outside of grilling or making chili, but thankfully the wife loves to cook.
What gets me about dividing up chores is that the wife always bitches about how she has to do more than 50% of them and doesn't count yardwork because she knows that's something I like doing. She also doesn't count gathering up & taking out the garbage because that's "a man's job anyway".
The folding is what drives me crazy. Washing itself isn't so bad - just separate and put in machine.
If you enjoy grilling and making chili, then you enjoy cooking. You just need to expand your repertoire. There's no difference between grilling a steak, and making any other kind of meal. And besides - all the great chefs are men anyways. ;)
All of them, I live alone.
All of those. But less than she does. I do the majority of the cooking. She mows the lawn. Mostly because it drives my allergies nuts. It's kinda funny watching that little girl trying to wield a big mower. :P
Mostly I do my laundry and she does hers. She's got too many rules and delicate stuff she has to wash in special ways I never bothered to figure out. I just dump my clothes in there and go. It's either dark, light or white.
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:32:13 PM
She also doesn't count gathering up & taking out the garbage because that's "a man's job anyway".
Odd.
I don't even bother separating anymore. It's all the same cotton with a little polyester.
I do as little as possible. :zzz:
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2012, 01:31:04 PM
Didn't I just say that I don't like to clean? :unsure:
So is a natural state for humans - a big, jumbly mess? :unsure:
Oh, I prefer a nice, clean house. It just doesn't feel natural for me to clean it. I do it, but I sort of feel lost doing it.
QuoteWhat do you mean by natural? From what you said to Meri it seems like you just mean you don't derive pleasure from it...?
I'm not sure how I can explain in any more detail how something does or does not feel natural, sorry.
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 01:27:32 PM
I don't know about natural, but some housework is more enjoyable than others. I do more of the cooking because I find it satisfying - providing food for the family, being a bit creative with what you cook. I like doing yardwork because it gets you outside.
But I hate doing laundry - its just so dull and tedious. My wife says she doesn't mind doing it - find it relaxing. So to each their own.
Well sure, some jobs are more enjoyable than others, but natural and satisfying? Doesn't compute.
And it doesn't really matter how satisfying it is, it still needs to be done. I mean, if it works out that what you enjoy doing differs enough from what your partner enjoys doing, that's awesome. But what would happen if neither of you liked doing laundry?
In our house, NO ONE likes doing dishes. It's almost pathological for the kids, and I'm not far behind them. Nonetheless, it needs to be done daily, usually several times a day. (We don't have a working dishwasher, so they have to be done by hand.) Ultimately, either Max or I end up doing them just to get the damn things out of the way, but it really is a major chore even if it only takes 20 minutes to wash up the dinner dishes because we dislike them so much. I don't find it satisfying to do them - I despise them - but I still do them at least as often as Max, because I know that he hates them, too.
So the idea that daily chores are "unsatisfying" as an excuse not to do them is.. alien to me.
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 01:34:53 PM
And besides - all the great chefs are men anyways. ;)
:ultra:
Don't make me cut you.
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2012, 01:31:04 PM
Didn't I just say that I don't like to clean? :unsure:
So is a natural state for humans - a big, jumbly mess? :unsure:
Oh, I prefer a nice, clean house. It just doesn't feel natural for me to clean it. I do it, but I sort of feel lost doing it.
QuoteWhat do you mean by natural? From what you said to Meri it seems like you just mean you don't derive pleasure from it...?
I'm not sure how I can explain in any more detail how something does or does not feel natural, sorry.
Well presumably the word "natural" in this context means something to you, no? :unsure:
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 01:34:53 PM
If you enjoy grilling and making chili, then you enjoy cooking. You just need to expand your repertoire. There's no difference between grilling a steak, and making any other kind of meal. And besides - all the great chefs are men anyways. ;)
I used to sort of like cooking, but the wife sapped all that out of me. Before I met her, every woman I ever cooked for always appreciated the effort even if I wasn't that skilled and took some shortcuts. Found out pretty quickly with her that if I'm not going to make everything from scratch and get it right the first time, I may as well not even bother :lol:
Outside of grilling, the only thing she lets me do is cut onions for her since they bother her eyes but have zero effect on me.
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2012, 01:43:39 PM
Well presumably the word "natural" in this context means something to you, no? :unsure:
I'm not always good at expressing my feelings :weep:
Sometimes, I think I'm younger lefty version of ders.
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:47:03 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2012, 01:43:39 PM
Well presumably the word "natural" in this context means something to you, no? :unsure:
I'm not always good at expressing my feelings :weep:
Use your words. :P
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 19, 2012, 01:48:52 PM
Sometimes, I think I'm younger lefty version of ders.
So not ders?
I do the Laundry, I pick up, I clean the floors, I cook dinner, I clean up afterwards...heck I think I do at least half if not more of the housework.
It just seems absurd to not split it if both of you are working full time.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 19, 2012, 01:48:52 PM
Sometimes, I think I'm younger lefty version of ders.
How much younger? :yeahright:
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:54:12 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 19, 2012, 01:48:52 PM
Sometimes, I think I'm younger lefty version of ders.
How much younger? :yeahright:
~15 years. I think you are 42, no?
My wife is a stay at home mom, so she does the bulk of the housework, I do most of the outside stuff.
Exception to this is dishes. She does the cooking, so I do the dishes. I don't really mind doing dishes, and I have kind of a pathological disgust with dirty dishes piled in the sink, s that works out.
This started back when we were both working - whoever cooked, the other one cleaned up. Since she stopped working, and now does almost all the cooking, I do all the dishes, mostly. If I cook (maybe once a week), then somehow I still do the dishes. Not sure how that works out.
My manhood is not tied up in housework though, so the idea that this could be emasculating is kind of weird.
I did get some grief at the in-laws though - I started doing the dishes after Thanksgiving dinner once, and both sister in laws were all "Wow, thanks! That sure is nice of you to help out" with pointed glares at their husbands. Both brother in laws were immediately all "Yeah, he is just showing off! I bet he never touches a dish at home!". They were a bit annoyed when the wife cooly said "Nope, he does almost all the dishes at home, actually. Why don't you guys help out?".
For Thanksgiving I help clear the table, but after that my ass is planted on the couch watching football. It's my God-given right.
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 02:21:56 PM
For Thanksgiving I help clear the table, but after that my ass is planted on the couch watching football. It's my God-given right.
Ah, so you help cook the dinner then? :)
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 02:21:56 PM
For Thanksgiving I help clear the table, but after that my ass is planted on the couch watching football. It's my God-given right.
Ah, so you help cook the dinner then? :)
I usually try to make one random dish to throw in the mix, just to say I did something.
Lions got the chores shit right. Why improve on nature?
I can do all those things from time to time, but it takes a whole lot of nagging, and not a little supervision to get me to dust anything.
Laundry (put stuff into a washing machine), dishes (put stuff into dish washer), picking up. The cleaning lady does the rest.
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 02:35:09 PM
I usually try to make one random dish to throw in the mix, just to say I did something.
Wow. You're a real peach. :)
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 02:21:56 PM
For Thanksgiving I help clear the table, but after that my ass is planted on the couch watching football. It's my God-given right.
Ah, so you help cook the dinner then? :)
My family orders it. Man it is amazing how much more enjoyable Thanksgiving is for all involved.
Quote from: The Brain on July 19, 2012, 02:42:21 PM
Lions got the chores shit right. Why improve on nature?
:lol:
Patriarchal beasts with spiky penises. Must suck to be a female lion.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 19, 2012, 02:50:53 PM
:lol:
Patriarchal beasts with spiky penises. Must suck to be a female lion.
At least all those fights for leading the pride provide lots of entertainment.
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:45:48 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 01:34:53 PM
If you enjoy grilling and making chili, then you enjoy cooking. You just need to expand your repertoire. There's no difference between grilling a steak, and making any other kind of meal. And besides - all the great chefs are men anyways. ;)
I used to sort of like cooking, but the wife sapped all that out of me. Before I met her, every woman I ever cooked for always appreciated the effort even if I wasn't that skilled and took some shortcuts. Found out pretty quickly with her that if I'm not going to make everything from scratch and get it right the first time, I may as well not even bother :lol:
Outside of grilling, the only thing she lets me do is cut onions for her since they bother her eyes but have zero effect on me.
Well that's understandable. I've learned that if someone is willing to do a household task, never ever criticize how they do it. Either go and do it yourself, or shut up and be thankful.
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 02:54:19 PM
Well that's understandable. I've learned that if someone is willing to do a household task, never ever criticize how they do it. Either go and do it yourself, or shut up and be thankful.
Damn straight. If it is super important something be done just the way you like it, you better be willing to do it all the time.
Quote from: Valmy on July 19, 2012, 02:56:14 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 02:54:19 PM
Well that's understandable. I've learned that if someone is willing to do a household task, never ever criticize how they do it. Either go and do it yourself, or shut up and be thankful.
Damn straight. If it is super important something be done just the way you like it, you better be willing to do it all the time.
You know, there's a limit to that. If I pull a glass out of the cupboard and it has crap in it, yeah, I'm going to say something. Or if your idea of "folding" laundry is to ball it up and shove into a corner in the closet, that's a problem. Cleaning the toilet involves making sure the OUTSIDE is as clean as the INSIDE.
I grew up in a household where everything was criticized, even our coloring pages. Because of that, I try so very hard not to be too critical. That being said, half-assing a chore and expecting to be praised for it will get you thumped in my house. Don't bother if you're not going to seriously make an effort.
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 03:13:40 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 19, 2012, 02:56:14 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 02:54:19 PM
Well that's understandable. I've learned that if someone is willing to do a household task, never ever criticize how they do it. Either go and do it yourself, or shut up and be thankful.
Damn straight. If it is super important something be done just the way you like it, you better be willing to do it all the time.
You know, there's a limit to that. If I pull a glass out of the cupboard and it has crap in it, yeah, I'm going to say something. Or if your idea of "folding" laundry is to ball it up and shove into a corner in the closet, that's a problem. Cleaning the toilet involves making sure the OUTSIDE is as clean as the INSIDE.
I grew up in a household where everything was criticized, even our coloring pages. Because of that, I try so very hard not to be too critical. That being said, half-assing a chore and expecting to be praised for it will get you thumped in my house. Don't bother if you're not going to seriously make an effort.
Well I think that advice is for adults, not children, but I stand by it. If you don't like the clothes being balled up and shoved in a corner, but your partner thinks thats just fine, well perhaps you had better be doing the laundry.
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 02:35:09 PM
I usually try to make one random dish to throw in the mix, just to say I did something.
Wow. You're a real peach. :)
It's more than what either of my two brothers do :D
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 03:16:07 PM
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 03:13:40 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 19, 2012, 02:56:14 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 02:54:19 PM
Well that's understandable. I've learned that if someone is willing to do a household task, never ever criticize how they do it. Either go and do it yourself, or shut up and be thankful.
Damn straight. If it is super important something be done just the way you like it, you better be willing to do it all the time.
You know, there's a limit to that. If I pull a glass out of the cupboard and it has crap in it, yeah, I'm going to say something. Or if your idea of "folding" laundry is to ball it up and shove into a corner in the closet, that's a problem. Cleaning the toilet involves making sure the OUTSIDE is as clean as the INSIDE.
I grew up in a household where everything was criticized, even our coloring pages. Because of that, I try so very hard not to be too critical. That being said, half-assing a chore and expecting to be praised for it will get you thumped in my house. Don't bother if you're not going to seriously make an effort.
Well I think that advice is for adults, not children, but I stand by it. If you don't like the clothes being balled up and shoved in a corner, but your partner thinks thats just fine, well perhaps you had better be doing the laundry.
To a degree. If an adult is being lazy or half-assing it to get out of doing stuff there is going to be a bigger problem than whether the clothes are folded properly.
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:15:17 PM
partly because the kids will mess everything up 2 seconds later.
So this. That may be why it doesn't feel fulfilling too.
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 03:16:07 PM
Well I think that advice is for adults, not children, but I stand by it. If you don't like the clothes being balled up and shoved in a corner, but your partner thinks thats just fine, well perhaps you had better be doing the laundry.
Sure, that's fair. :rolleyes:
Because I have a modicum standard of cleanliness, I should do it all, even though I'm the one that goes to work while everyone else is home all day. I'm not saying that every fold in my underwear has to be just right; I'm saying to do the chore at a reasonable level of competence.
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 03:13:40 PM
Cleaning the toilet involves making sure the OUTSIDE is as clean as the INSIDE.
:x
Quote from: Maximus on July 19, 2012, 03:20:05 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:15:17 PM
partly because the kids will mess everything up 2 seconds later.
So this. That may be why it doesn't feel fulfilling too.
no! Max stay out of these trap threads!
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:39:13 PM
Oh, I prefer a nice, clean house. It just doesn't feel natural for me to clean it. I do it, but I sort of feel lost doing it.
I think I understand. It's all the minutiae. There's always something missed. If there's a methodical way of cleaning a house I've never encountered it.
Quote from: Maximus on July 19, 2012, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:39:13 PM
Oh, I prefer a nice, clean house. It just doesn't feel natural for me to clean it. I do it, but I sort of feel lost doing it.
I think I understand. It's all the minutiae. There's always something missed. If there's a methodical way of cleaning a house I've never encountered it.
I can teach you. :)
Quote from: HVC on July 19, 2012, 03:24:41 PM
no! Max stay out of these trap threads!
:P
It's not a trap for him. I already know what he does and doesn't do around the house. :contract:
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 03:21:10 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 03:16:07 PM
Well I think that advice is for adults, not children, but I stand by it. If you don't like the clothes being balled up and shoved in a corner, but your partner thinks thats just fine, well perhaps you had better be doing the laundry.
Sure, that's fair. :rolleyes:
Because I have a modicum standard of cleanliness, I should do it all, even though I'm the one that goes to work while everyone else is home all day. I'm not saying that every fold in my underwear has to be just right; I'm saying to do the chore at a reasonable level of competence.
Again, are we talking about adults, or children? As a mom, yes you can say "this isn't good enough".
As a wife, I'd recommend against it. :ph34r:
Wimmins work.
Also, I'm with Spicy on Thanksgiving. My job is to watch football and steal deviled eggs from the fridge.
Quote from: Maximus on July 19, 2012, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 01:39:13 PM
Oh, I prefer a nice, clean house. It just doesn't feel natural for me to clean it. I do it, but I sort of feel lost doing it.
I think I understand. It's all the minutiae. There's always something missed. If there's a methodical way of cleaning a house I've never encountered it.
lock the kids and or pets outside :P
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: HVC on July 19, 2012, 03:24:41 PM
no! Max stay out of these trap threads!
:P
It's not a trap for him. I already know what he does and doesn't do around the house. :contract:
But we can be say mysogenist things , both actual and to get a rise out of you :D, and be safe, but mess up and max is back in Canada...or at least in the dog house :lol:
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 03:13:40 PM
You know, there's a limit to that.
I meant if you are very particular and everything just must be made from scratch or ever shirt must be starched like so. Not doing the chore period or making some minor adjustment.
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 03:32:30 PM
Again, are we talking about adults, or children? As a mom, yes you can say "this isn't good enough".
As a wife, I'd recommend against it. :ph34r:
I was just smart enough to marry a man the second time around who doesn't act like a child. There are, however, plenty of men who do just that so that they're not asked to help again. And yeah, that pissed me off when my ex pulled that shit, and yeah, I called him on it.
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 03:41:24 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 03:32:30 PM
Again, are we talking about adults, or children? As a mom, yes you can say "this isn't good enough".
As a wife, I'd recommend against it. :ph34r:
I was just smart enough to marry a man the second time around who doesn't act like a child. There are, however, plenty of men who do just that so that they're not asked to help again. And yeah, that pissed me off when my ex pulled that shit, and yeah, I called him on it.
You're free to have a frank discussion with your partner if you think they're not pulling their weight. But your partner is an adult, and has to live in the same house you do. So if you mutually decide that your partner is going to do the dishes, and you don't like how he just lets them pile up until the end of day before doing them... well I suggest you re-consider your division of labour, or you learn to accept how he does them.
I do dishes, laundry, take the trash out, all the bills and everything financial, stocking, mailing, magazine management (that includes purchase and throwing them out), organising. We hire two cleaning ladies to do the cleaning, vacuum, ironing, toilets, etc.
I cannot even get a response from Meri anymore. Either she has gotten immune, or I need to crank the misogyny to ELEVEN.
In related news, the woman who cleans my place will spend all August back home in Romania, which means I have to do all the chores for a month. :cry:
Luckily it seems I'll spend some time working in Madrid, so the hotel staff should shoulder most of the burden. :P
She didn't even comment on my post at all. I guess she is just looking for things to be pissed off about, and since I am the near-model husband, my posts are boring.
:sad:
Quote from: Berkut on July 19, 2012, 03:53:21 PM
She didn't even comment on my post at all. I guess she is just looking for things to be pissed off about, and since I am the near-model husband, my posts are boring.
:sad:
Are you her body? No? Then what do you expect?
Ps i do all the chores becasue i live alone lol. I even clean the toliet, Meri :D . Growing up as an only child i did a lot chores at home. All of them on the list except for laundry, which i hated then and i hate now :lol:
All these guys whining that Meri doesn't pay attention to them, you can see why she puts up with this place. :lol:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 19, 2012, 03:56:37 PM
All these guys whining that Meri doesn't pay attention to them, you can see why she puts up with this place. :lol:
Every man craves female attention, and there's only so much female attention here to go around :P
The two biggest babies whining are married.
Women should be forced to sign a contract of wifely duties.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/sicko-marriage-contract-one-ages
With extra beatings for whining about the toilet seat being up. YOUR ARMS AREN'T BROKEN BITCH.
Quote from: Monoriu on July 19, 2012, 03:47:51 PM
I do dishes, laundry, take the trash out, all the bills and everything financial, stocking, mailing, magazine management (that includes purchase and throwing them out), organising. We hire two cleaning ladies to do the cleaning, vacuum, ironing, toilets, etc.
How many magazines do you go through to make that a separate entry on a chores list?
What is a magazine?
Quote from: Berkut on July 19, 2012, 03:53:21 PM
She didn't even comment on my post at all. I guess she is just looking for things to be pissed off about, and since I am the near-model husband, my posts are boring.
:sad:
Well, to be honest, Berkie, your post didn't surprise me. So, while I read it, I mentally went, "Of course, because Berkut is the most awesomest guy alive other than Max," and moved on. I'm sorry. I should have given you the kudos you very richly deserve. :hug:
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2012, 03:48:51 PM
I cannot even get a response from Meri anymore. Either she has gotten immune, or I need to crank the misogyny to ELEVEN.
I'm sorry. Did someone say something? :unsure:
OH SNAP
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 03:45:42 PM
You're free to have a frank discussion with your partner if you think they're not pulling their weight. But your partner is an adult, and has to live in the same house you do. So if you mutually decide that your partner is going to do the dishes, and you don't like how he just lets them pile up until the end of day before doing them... well I suggest you re-consider your division of labour, or you learn to accept how he does them.
Sorry. That's what I meant by "calling him on it". I do NOT nitpick on the chore front, and in fact, often check in to make sure I'm not too nitpicky about anything with the family. As I said, I was raised with a mother who was (and is) ridiculous about this, and I'm incredibly sensitive to the fact that I do NOT want to be like her.
So yes, you are absolutely correct, so long as both people are being adult about it.
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 04:09:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2012, 03:48:51 PM
I cannot even get a response from Meri anymore. Either she has gotten immune, or I need to crank the misogyny to ELEVEN.
I'm sorry. Did someone say something? :unsure:
I really wish that Ed character would start posting again. :(
:lol:
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2012, 04:19:18 PM
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2012, 04:09:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2012, 03:48:51 PM
I cannot even get a response from Meri anymore. Either she has gotten immune, or I need to crank the misogyny to ELEVEN.
I'm sorry. Did someone say something? :unsure:
I really wish that Ed character would start posting again. :(
You know, I completely forgot about him! I wonder where he went. :(
Good riddance.
Be nice to Ed. He's senstive. He might quit the forum again. Might even make it past two weeks this time :P
Quote from: HVC on July 19, 2012, 05:51:02 PM
Be nice to Ed. He's senstive. He might quit the forum again. Might even make it past two weeks this time :P
Goddammit, I was gone months in '06. Only reason I came back was because I WAS BORED OUT OF MY MIND. It was either internet, or American Chopper on TV.
Sigh.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2012, 06:07:05 PM
*chirrup* *chirrup*
:unsure:
There it is again... :hmm:
While we're talking about long-departed members, whatever happened to Monkeybutt? And Camper? And Pirate Scum?
The last two were really interesting guys.
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 06:14:54 PM
While we're talking about long-departed members, whatever happened to Monkeybutt? And Camper? And Pirate Scum?
The last two were really interesting guys.
Monkeybutt retired to his estate and died in a massive MFFFFFFFFF orgy. The funeral was fantastic.
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 06:14:54 PM
While we're talking about long-departed members, whatever happened to Monkeybutt? And Camper? And Pirate Scum?
The last two were really interesting guys.
Yeah the former in that last hadn't been interesting since the demise of the vagina wall.
Really who I miss at this point is the moths of begging.
IKK got laid and left us. He does not believe in bros before hoes
None. I still have my Salvadoran housekeepers.
Y'all use a service or hire independent housekeepers? I use a service so I don't get stuck with the one from Family Guy.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2012, 06:35:25 PM
Y'all use a service or hire independent housekeepers? I use a service so I don't get stuck with the one from Family Guy.
We had a lovely white lady named Sue when we lived in California. :)
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2012, 06:35:25 PM
Y'all use a service or hire independent housekeepers? I use a service so I don't get stuck with the one from Family Guy.
LOLZ Lemon Pledge.
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 06:40:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2012, 06:35:25 PM
Y'all use a service or hire independent housekeepers? I use a service so I don't get stuck with the one from Family Guy.
LOLZ Lemon Pledge.
That and see my DVD collection slowly shrink each week.
Quote from: derspiess on July 19, 2012, 06:40:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2012, 06:35:25 PM
Y'all use a service or hire independent housekeepers? I use a service so I don't get stuck with the one from Family Guy.
LOLZ Lemon Pledge.
that's my aunt, basically :blush: :D
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2012, 06:35:25 PM
Y'all use a service or hire independent housekeepers? I use a service so I don't get stuck with the one from Family Guy.
I've known her for years, she used to be a waitress around the corner at the Don Pablo's I used to hang out at, and she'd do places part time; she used to do it on her own until she got enough clients to do quit tables. It's her, her cousin and her sister-in-law; she doesn't use people outside the family.
Very sweet girl; does more than those other services do, for cheaper. Does the laundry, dishes, switches out my bedsheets. She even takes care of my cat and my mail when I'm out of town. She's a good girl.
OH MEESTER JAUN JOO NEED TO QUIT SMOKING EES SO BAD FOR JOO
I do cooking, laundry, vacuuming, pretty much all the yardwork (I do pay a guy to mow), and typical handyman stuff. Princesca does the dishes, pays all the bills, and takes care of the groceries (orders them and picks them up).
I enjoy cutting the grass. On my mower, I AM MASTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
Buying a ZTR is on my to-do list. I just need to figure out if I can fit it in the garage (which means getting rid of or rearranging a ton of shit) or, failing that, I'll need to build a shed.
Home Depot has good ones for ~3K and they'll even send the monkeys out to build it. Just double check their work.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2012, 07:03:01 PM
Home Depot has good ones for ~3K and they'll even send the monkeys out to build it. Just double check their work.
Yeah I know. I was originally going to get a lawn tractor but my dad kept telling me "LOL no U can get a ZTR for the same price!!!!!!!!!11111111" For some reason I was thinking ZTRs started in like the $6K range. :hmm:
I do all of the chores listed, plus cooking and lawn/garden work. I own my own home, and it's just me. :)
Quote from: Barrister on July 19, 2012, 06:14:54 PM
While we're talking about long-departed members, whatever happened to Monkeybutt? And Camper? And Pirate Scum?
The last two were really interesting guys.
I'm just glad that Eddie Teach guy's gone. :thumbsdown:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 19, 2012, 09:36:30 PM
I'm just glad that Eddie Teach guy's gone. :thumbsdown:
No shit. Douchebag with legs, that one.
Quote from: KRonn on July 19, 2012, 08:34:03 PM
I do all of the chores listed, plus cooking and lawn/garden work. I own my own home, and it's just me. :)
:thumbsup:
I do it all. My dad does it all. He and my mum did it all together when she was alive. Every Saturday morning the house was cleaned top to bottoms and the laundry done (down the road at the laundrette). My main chores at home were dusting, watering the plants and ironing.
When I was married we had a Polish cleaner.
My least favourite chore and one that would lend itself better to the stronger sex is vacuuming. Why isn't that on the list? Because the UK is the only nation filthy enough to have wall-to-wall fabric on the floor?
Bathroom cleaning isn't up there either, which is one of the ickiest but my favourite for effort to reward ratio.
Edit: Actually laundry is my favourite. Virtually no effort (sort, put in washer, leave, hang up to dry) and your clothes are clean and your house smells nice.
Quote from: Brazen on July 20, 2012, 08:14:45 AM
My least favourite chore and one that would lend itself better to the stronger sex is vacuuming. Why isn't that on the list? Because the UK is the only nation filthy enough to have wall-to-wall fabric on the floor?
Meri is a peasant and went with sweeping. -_-
Quote from: Brazen on July 20, 2012, 08:14:45 AM
When I was married we had a Polish cleaner.
That is just
funny.
Quote from: Brazen on July 20, 2012, 08:14:45 AMBathroom cleaning isn't up there either, which is one of the ickiest but my favourite for effort to reward ratio.
When I shared a flat I always volunteered for bathroom cleaning, as everybody wanted to avoid it. Unless the people living there are complete pigs it shouldn't be too icky, and bathrooms are not that big. Now, kitchen cleaning...
Quote from: The Larch on July 20, 2012, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: Brazen on July 20, 2012, 08:14:45 AMBathroom cleaning isn't up there either, which is one of the ickiest but my favourite for effort to reward ratio.
When I shared a flat I always volunteered for bathroom cleaning, as everybody wanted to avoid it. Unless the people living there are complete pigs it shouldn't be too icky, and bathrooms are not that big. Now, kitchen cleaning...
I did the same.
My sister pointed out to me that my bathroom is the one part of my apt that I always keep pristine. :blush:
Where do you do your business?
Hey now, mister, no funny business, you hear? :angry:
Quote from: garbon on July 20, 2012, 08:20:41 AM
Quote from: Brazen on July 20, 2012, 08:14:45 AM
My least favourite chore and one that would lend itself better to the stronger sex is vacuuming. Why isn't that on the list? Because the UK is the only nation filthy enough to have wall-to-wall fabric on the floor?
Meri is a peasant and went with sweeping. -_-
Sorry. We've had hardwood floors for the last 10 years. I don't remember the last time I ran a vacuum/hoover. :blush:
Quote from: The Larch on July 20, 2012, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: Brazen on July 20, 2012, 08:14:45 AMBathroom cleaning isn't up there either, which is one of the ickiest but my favourite for effort to reward ratio.
When I shared a flat I always volunteered for bathroom cleaning, as everybody wanted to avoid it. Unless the people living there are complete pigs it shouldn't be too icky, and bathrooms are not that big. Now, kitchen cleaning...
I live in a house with three teenage boys. *shudder* I avoid thinking of the bathroom at all costs.
I don't mind it when it's summer and just Max and me, but when the boys are home it's... not a fun job. Plus, while I don't mind scrubbing the tub/shower, it is a good bit of work, so I kind of assumed that it would be a shared job. Didn't occur to me that it wouldn't be. :(
Late to the party.
Needs a, "thats maid's work option"
Also, needs a cooking option.
Cooking, dishes and picking up is done by all. Laundry goes to the boys and Mrs. CC. I iron my shirts if that counts.
Dusting and other basics like cleaning, bathrooms, washing floors, vacuuming etc. Thats maid's work.