QuoteIn addition to learning European Muslims feel more isolated than those living in the U.S., a new Gallup Coexist Index survey from Mogahed and Mohamed Younis reveals temperaments about all those gay issues, like butt sex!
• In France, 78 per cent of the public said homosexual acts were "morally acceptable", while 35 per cent of Muslims agreed.
• In Germany, the ratio was 68 per cent of the public and 19 per cent of Muslims.
• In Britain, it was 58 per cent to zero. The margin of error was five percentage points in all cases.
For what it's worth, the study also found only three percent of British Muslims believe sex between unmarried men and women was moral. So maybe it's just the nuptial factor?
ALSO: "Although stereotypes of Muslims suggest support for honor killings, poll findings showed that French, German and British Muslims actually held similar opinions to that of the general public. Only three percent of French and German Muslims and two percent of British Muslims said honor killings were morally acceptable compared to one percent of the German and British non-Muslim publics."
http://www.queerty.com/british-muslims-have-zero-tolerance-for-homosexual-acts-20090508/
Incidentally, this poll was also discussed in the paper version of this week's The Economist.
So more British muslims are willing to tolerate honor killings than homosexual acts. Gupta (if you are lurking here), show me where are the moderates that should not be deported back to their shitholes!
What do you suggest doing with the 42% of general public?
:P
Quote from: katmai on May 09, 2009, 04:38:58 AM
What do you suggest doing with the 42% of general public?
:P
We can't do anything about them... yet. :ph34r:
Quote from: Martinus on May 09, 2009, 04:36:59 AM
So more British muslims are willing to tolerate honor killings than homosexual acts. Gupta (if you are lurking here), show me where are the moderates that should not be deported back to their shitholes!
Have fun getting murdered.
When I first saw the thread title, I thought it was 0% of British MUSEUMs believe in tolerance for gays :blush:
The Seat of Empire turned into the Butt of Jokes. :(
Quote The sample size, though large in absolute terms (with 500 Muslims and 1000 non-Muslims surveyed in each country) is not large enough to eliminate a large margin of error (5% for the Muslim figures, 3% for the general public) so only the broadest pictures are trustworthy and some results, such as the 0% of British Muslims apparently tolerant of homosexual acts are not to be taken literally http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/may/07/gallup-muslims-islam (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/may/07/gallup-muslims-islam)
in other words, Marty is a bigot. ban him.
I think the question is a bit vague. What exactly is "morally acceptable"? More interesting would have been how many would consider it an affront hard enough to do something about it. Like "would it be acceptable to beat gays up"?
Marti, you need a hobby.
Quote from: HVC on May 09, 2009, 07:38:20 AM
Marti, you need a hobby.
Considering his interests... just no, OK?
In a recent survey it was revealed that 100% of slargoses worldwide believe in tolerance for homo bashing.
WTF is Europe broken?
America's Muslims aren't leaping with joy about homosexuality, but I can't imagine the percentage being this low based on the ones I know.
On the other hand, from the OP article, I was happy to see that a tiny percentage of Brit, French, German Muslims belive in honor killings, nearly the same as the non-Muslims polled.
Sample size too low, margin for error too high. Not a trustworthy poll. :contract:
Raise their standard of living, education, and time in Britain, and their attitudes will change. No surprise here.
Quote from: Faeelin on May 09, 2009, 08:54:45 AM
WTF is Europe broken?
America's Muslims aren't leaping with joy about homosexuality, but I can't imagine the percentage being this low based on the ones I know.
You don't have that many Muslims and they are probably scattered. Also they are surely richer and more educated than your average Euro Muslim.
Quote from: Iormlund on May 09, 2009, 10:43:40 AM
You don't have that many Muslims and they are probably scattered. Also they are surely richer and more educated than your average Euro Muslim.
Ah, yes. Ours are special. That's the entire problem.
How is "moral acceptance" and tolerance the same thing? I have tolerance for a lot of people doing acts I consider morally unacceptable.
Quote from: HVC on May 09, 2009, 07:38:20 AM
Marti, you need a hobby.
He has one, it's called getting his pantie in a bunch over every & all gay issues NOT happening in Poland.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 09, 2009, 11:04:57 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 09, 2009, 07:38:20 AM
Marti, you need a hobby.
He has one, it's called getting his pantie in a bunch over every & all gay issues NOT happening in Poland.
yeah, but being a closeted crusader seems so.. so petty.
Quote from: Slargos on May 09, 2009, 08:05:06 AM
In a recent survey it was revealed that 100% of slargoses worldwide believe in tolerance for homo bashing.
Hey! :angry:
Quote from: Iormlund on May 09, 2009, 10:43:40 AM
You don't have that many Muslims ...
millions
Quoteand they are probably scattered
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pluralism.org%2Fresources%2Fstatistics%2Fislam_distribution.gif&hash=44d9e35978fcd7d24b48e5ddda45857dbfb6a05b)
QuoteAlso they are surely richer and more educated than your average Euro Muslim.
Yes.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valpo.edu%2Fgeomet%2Fpics%2Fgeo200%2Freligion%2Fmuslim.gif&hash=8dd36e123f12601ca5b2d11258e737f7931d53e1)
How many Muslims are there in the US?
I'm Brain, I can't use the internet...
Quote from: garbon on May 09, 2009, 02:20:58 PM
I'm Brain, I can't use the internet...
You're not, and you can.
Quote from: The Brain on May 09, 2009, 02:19:22 PM
How many Muslims are there in the US?
Two or three million, apparently. Less than in Germany.
Quote from: saskganesh on May 09, 2009, 07:12:41 AM
Quote The sample size, though large in absolute terms (with 500 Muslims and 1000 non-Muslims surveyed in each country) is not large enough to eliminate a large margin of error (5% for the Muslim figures, 3% for the general public) so only the broadest pictures are trustworthy and some results, such as the 0% of British Muslims apparently tolerant of homosexual acts are not to be taken literally http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/may/07/gallup-muslims-islam (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/may/07/gallup-muslims-islam)
in other words, Marty is a bigot. ban him.
You are a retard. Most opinion polls that are quoted and used as a basis for political decisions, for example, use the same kind of samples. And even a 5% margin of error (even if we assume that the error is indeed as big as the entire margin and IN FAVOUR of acceptance of homosexuality) does not invalidate my claims.
Seriously, why don't you ban yourself.
Quote from: Faeelin on May 09, 2009, 10:53:25 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on May 09, 2009, 10:43:40 AM
You don't have that many Muslims and they are probably scattered. Also they are surely richer and more educated than your average Euro Muslim.
Ah, yes. Ours are special. That's the entire problem.
American Muslims are often highly educated and non theistic, people who left their homelands for political reasons. European Muslims are more likely to be economic migrants, who moved solely for better jobs and wish to retain their original culture and are more likely to be highly religious.
According to Wiki Sweden has roughly 400,000 Muslims. Sweden's total population is 9 million.
America can wake me up when they have the same percentage.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on May 09, 2009, 03:53:54 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on May 09, 2009, 10:53:25 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on May 09, 2009, 10:43:40 AM
You don't have that many Muslims and they are probably scattered. Also they are surely richer and more educated than your average Euro Muslim.
Ah, yes. Ours are special. That's the entire problem.
American Muslims are often highly educated and non theistic, people who left their homelands for political reasons. European Muslims are more likely to be economic migrants, who moved solely for better jobs and wish to retaint their original culture and are more likely to be highly religious.
I thought the Languish accepted wisdom (tm) has always been the opposite - American Muslims were the entrepreneurial ones and Europe is the one getting the political asylum seekers.
Quote from: The Brain on May 09, 2009, 03:54:56 PM
According to Wiki Sweden has roughly 400,000 Muslims. Sweden's total population is 9 million.
America can wake me up when they have the same percentage.
Why did you guys allow such a state of affairs?
Quote from: Martinus on May 09, 2009, 03:56:21 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 09, 2009, 03:54:56 PM
According to Wiki Sweden has roughly 400,000 Muslims. Sweden's total population is 9 million.
America can wake me up when they have the same percentage.
Why did you guys allow such a state of affairs?
We are not a people who thought that there were still too many Jews in Poland in 1946.
Quote from: The Brain on May 09, 2009, 03:57:28 PM
Quote from: Martinus on May 09, 2009, 03:56:21 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 09, 2009, 03:54:56 PM
According to Wiki Sweden has roughly 400,000 Muslims. Sweden's total population is 9 million.
America can wake me up when they have the same percentage.
Why did you guys allow such a state of affairs?
We are not a people who thought that there were still too many Jews in Poland in 1946.
Well then you have noone but yourself to blame.
Two things really surprised me about that and they're not to do with Muslims. Only 58% of Brits believe homosexuality is morally acceptable is incredible. I never would have put that figure so low, especially when you consider that we got civil unions and gay adoption with very little anti campaign :mellow:
Secondly 1% of Brits believe in honour killings? :blink:
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 09, 2009, 04:05:04 PM
Two things really surprised me about that and they're not to do with Muslims. Only 58% of Brits believe homosexuality is morally acceptable is incredible. I never would have put that figure so low, especially when you consider that we got civil unions and gay adoption with very little anti campaign :mellow:
Secondly 1% of Brits believe in honour killings? :blink:
That's still less than lizard power and sky spirits.
1% of Brits claim that they condone honor killings in an opinion poll, anyway.
The real percentage could be much higher. ;)
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on May 09, 2009, 04:25:02 PM
1% of Brits claim that they condone honor killings in an opinion poll, anyway.
The real percentage could be much higher. ;)
Who the fuck are you?
Also, didn't I killl you by burning a rope?
Quote from: The Brain on May 09, 2009, 04:10:37 PM
That's still less than lizard power and sky spirits.
Aren't you supposed to be asleep? :mad:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 09, 2009, 05:26:06 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 09, 2009, 04:10:37 PM
That's still less than lizard power and sky spirits.
Aren't you supposed to be asleep? :mad:
Indeed I am, 12:30 is way too late on a Saturday night. :blush:
Quote from: garbon on May 09, 2009, 12:12:53 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 09, 2009, 08:05:06 AM
In a recent survey it was revealed that 100% of slargoses worldwide believe in tolerance for homo bashing.
Hey! :angry:
I'm just reporting the polling results, I can't be held responsible for what the public answers. :P
Quote from: Martinus on May 09, 2009, 03:46:23 PM
You are a retard. Most opinion polls that are quoted and used as a basis for political decisions, for example, use the same kind of samples. And even a 5% margin of error (even if we assume that the error is indeed as big as the entire margin and IN FAVOUR of acceptance of homosexuality) does not invalidate my claims.
Seriously, why don't you ban yourself.
Polls below a sample size of 10,000 have a high potential for inaccuracy. That margin for error means there's a 95% probability the number will be within 5% when applied to another sample group of the same size. To inflate the number to the magic 10,000, that margin for error would apply to 9,500 of the sample size. Of that 9,500, 475 of them could swing under the margin for error. 975 unreliable polls per 10,000 is just not accurate.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 10, 2009, 09:12:58 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 09, 2009, 03:46:23 PM
You are a retard. Most opinion polls that are quoted and used as a basis for political decisions, for example, use the same kind of samples. And even a 5% margin of error (even if we assume that the error is indeed as big as the entire margin and IN FAVOUR of acceptance of homosexuality) does not invalidate my claims.
Seriously, why don't you ban yourself.
Polls below a sample size of 10,000 have a high potential for inaccuracy. That margin for error means there's a 95% probability the number will be within 5% when applied to another sample group of the same size. To inflate the number to the magic 10,000, that margin for error would apply to 9,500 of the sample size. Of that 9,500, 475 of them could swing under the margin for error. 975 unreliable polls per 10,000 is just not accurate.
:huh:
I don't think I've ever seen a poll quote anything above ~1100 in size.
Quote from: Slargos on May 10, 2009, 09:15:58 AM
:huh:
I don't think I've ever seen a poll quote anything above ~1100 in size.
Major academic research entities usually have access to much larger samples, take more time, and have more reliable results. Incidentally, Wikifail claims pollsters go for 500-1,000 participants as a tradeoff between accuracy and expediency, but 1,000-2,000, with most falling between 1,000 and 1,500 is what I usually run across.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 10, 2009, 09:25:18 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 10, 2009, 09:15:58 AM
:huh:
I don't think I've ever seen a poll quote anything above ~1100 in size.
Major academic research entities usually have access to much larger samples, take more time, and have more reliable results. Incidentally, Wikifail claims pollsters go for 500-1,000 participants as a tradeoff between accuracy and expediency, but 1,000-2,000, with most falling between 1,000 and 1,500 is what I usually run across.
Fair enough.
Still, we don't need massively sized polls to learn that muslims are massively sized assholes.
Arabia must be destroyed with all hands. Glassed if possible.
Quote from: Martinus on May 09, 2009, 03:46:23 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on May 09, 2009, 07:12:41 AM
Quote The sample size, though large in absolute terms (with 500 Muslims and 1000 non-Muslims surveyed in each country) is not large enough to eliminate a large margin of error (5% for the Muslim figures, 3% for the general public) so only the broadest pictures are trustworthy and some results, such as the 0% of British Muslims apparently tolerant of homosexual acts are not to be taken literally http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/may/07/gallup-muslims-islam (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/may/07/gallup-muslims-islam)
in other words, Marty is a bigot. ban him.
You are a retard. Most opinion polls that are quoted and used as a basis for political decisions, for example, use the same kind of samples. And even a 5% margin of error (even if we assume that the error is indeed as big as the entire margin and IN FAVOUR of acceptance of homosexuality) does not invalidate my claims.
Seriously, why don't you ban yourself.
Maybe if you showed them some toleration, they'd return the favour.
Why don't you ban yourself?