I don't think this one has been covered.
How would history have played out had Napoleon not invaded Russia and got the Grand Army destroyed in the process?
So nappy calms down after 1807 or did the Spain an Austria shit happen in '08 and '09?
Everything happened as it did in real life up until the moment he decided to invade Russia. Then he said, "fuck this shit. Moscow ain't worth a mass of shit."
I'd assume Alex would get the Prussians an Austria to throw off the yoke. The Prussians were PISSED.Nappy gets overwhelmed eventually.
I can't draw you a map on my iPad.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 23, 2012, 08:38:54 PM
I can't draw you a map on my iPad.
Just ask Tim. He probably has several variants.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 23, 2012, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 23, 2012, 08:38:54 PM
I can't draw you a map on my iPad.
Just ask Tim. He probably has several variants.
They all involve Andrew Jackson ejaculating on the English.
If Napoleon is no longer willing to enforce the Continental System with force, then it gets ignored. And ultimately, Napoleon would never be able to tolerate that. Russia gets invaded in 1813.
A better question is what happens if had listened to reason and wintered in Smolensk.
What if he had wintered in Smolensk, not had Jerome in charge of an army, and had a someone with a halfway decent understanding of cavalry in charge of that arm.
Fuck it, clone Davout and have 4 of him running everything.
grumbler has a theory. Of course, he has the benefit of having been on-site when the decision was made....
Quote from: PDH on June 23, 2012, 08:58:38 PM
What if he had wintered in Smolensk, not had Jerome in charge of an army, and had a someone with a halfway decent understanding of cavalry in charge of that arm.
Fuck it, clone Davout and have 4 of him running everything.
And bring Lannes back from the dead.
He should have ignored Russia and built dreadnoughts. Take -that- Nelson!
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 23, 2012, 09:08:10 PM
He should have ignored Russia and built dreadnoughts. Take -that- Nelson!
Early French dreadnoughts were shit anyways.
Quote from: Neil on June 23, 2012, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 23, 2012, 09:08:10 PM
He should have ignored Russia and built dreadnoughts. Take -that- Nelson!
Early French dreadnoughts were shit anyways.
Besides, isn't Napoleon famously quoted as dissing the idea of steam-powered vessels?
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 23, 2012, 09:11:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 23, 2012, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 23, 2012, 09:08:10 PM
He should have ignored Russia and built dreadnoughts. Take -that- Nelson!
Early French dreadnoughts were shit anyways.
Besides, isn't Napoleon famously quoted as dissing the idea of steam-powered vessels?
Without iron construction, he was probably right to feel that way. I would imagine that the fate of the
l'Orient had an effect on him.
You forgot the [Alt-Hist] on this thread's title.
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 23, 2012, 09:11:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 23, 2012, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 23, 2012, 09:08:10 PM
He should have ignored Russia and built dreadnoughts. Take -that- Nelson!
Early French dreadnoughts were shit anyways.
Besides, isn't Napoleon famously quoted as dissing the idea of steam-powered vessels?
Wasn't that Napoleon III?
I dunno...I just vaguely remember it as one of the Civ tech advance quotes.
It was indeed Napoleon I, not the bastard Napoleon III.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 24, 2012, 07:02:50 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 23, 2012, 09:11:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 23, 2012, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 23, 2012, 09:08:10 PM
He should have ignored Russia and built dreadnoughts. Take -that- Nelson!
Early French dreadnoughts were shit anyways.
Besides, isn't Napoleon famously quoted as dissing the idea of steam-powered vessels?
Wasn't that Napoleon III?
Couldn't have been. Napoleon III's Navy was a pioneer in the use of iron and steam.
I'm wondering if we aren't mixing thing up with John Ericsson's attempt to convince Nappy III of the worthiness of iron-clad armored battle ships with dome-shaped gun towers.
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 23, 2012, 09:11:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 23, 2012, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 23, 2012, 09:08:10 PM
He should have ignored Russia and built dreadnoughts. Take -that- Nelson!
Early French dreadnoughts were shit anyways.
Besides, isn't Napoleon famously quoted as dissing the idea of steam-powered vessels?
"What Sir? Would you make a ship sail against the wind and currents by lighting a bonfire under her deck?...I have no time to listen to such nonsense."
- Napoleon I (supposedly)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buildmodelcastles.com%2Fmoorland_keep.jpg&hash=2e8a7974c58d5ce282fdc6a16742f24602e824c9)
Nice work, Siege. :)
Beautiful round keep with stone barbican, isn't it?
Two draw bridges to go through, but not too much space for men-at-arms and horsies.
I love small castles.