Second time this year my credit card got spoofed. This shit is unacceptable. Somebody around here is running a swipe scam.
That's messed up.
Hence, why I don't own credit cards. Good luck spoofing my check card and my kept-low-on-purpose account balance.
I see this happen. A lot. Trust no one with any of your information, always be careful which online merchants you buy from, and live with the expectation that it's going to happen sometime or another.
I've been lucky. The only time I had to put through a chargeback on one of my own cards was about 8 years ago when I was out with some friends and the waitress tried to stick me with the bill from the table next to us that left without paying. Wasn't the end of the world, but it pissed me off to no end once I put 2 & 2 together.
BTW MiM, did they catch the fraud before it hit your account?
Quote from: derspiess on June 05, 2012, 12:16:30 PM
I see this happen. A lot. Trust no one with any of your information, always be careful which online merchants you buy from, and live with the expectation that it's going to happen sometime or another.
I've been lucky. The only time I had to put through a chargeback on one of my own cards was about 8 years ago when I was out with some friends and the waitress tried to stick me with the bill from the table next to us that left without paying. Wasn't the end of the world, but it pissed me off to no end once I put 2 & 2 together.
Really? WTF.
It's not like wait staff eats the loss--or at least, not in any restaurant I can think of, and I don't think management could even try to force them to (it would be like Wal-Mart charging cashiers for any shoplifting that occurred on their shift, or a car dealership charging a salesman for a test drive that ended with the car in a ditch). So if she did that just for the tip, that's really insane. If I'm incorrect and it was to cover a $50 loss, she really needs a new job, although I wouldn't expect she'd get one, what with being a fucking thief.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 05, 2012, 12:53:42 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 05, 2012, 12:16:30 PM
I see this happen. A lot. Trust no one with any of your information, always be careful which online merchants you buy from, and live with the expectation that it's going to happen sometime or another.
I've been lucky. The only time I had to put through a chargeback on one of my own cards was about 8 years ago when I was out with some friends and the waitress tried to stick me with the bill from the table next to us that left without paying. Wasn't the end of the world, but it pissed me off to no end once I put 2 & 2 together.
Really? WTF.
It's not like wait staff eats the loss--or at least, not in any restaurant I can think of, and I don't think management could even try to force them to (it would be like Wal-Mart charging cashiers for any shoplifting that occurred on their shift, or a car dealership charging a salesman for a test drive that ended with the car in a ditch). So if she did that just for the tip, that's really insane. If I'm incorrect and it was to cover a $50 loss, she really needs a new job, although I wouldn't expect she'd get one, what with being a fucking thief.
When I was a cashier at B&N, it was a big deal if your drawer ended up short. Presumably if it happened enough, one would get fired.
Quote from: derspiess on June 05, 2012, 12:16:30 PM
BTW MiM, did they catch the fraud before it hit your account?
They declined the charge at the PoS and called me later that day to make sure it wasn't legit, so yeah I'm clear.
I had to get another new account number though. And reset all my subscriptions again. Bleh.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 05, 2012, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 05, 2012, 12:16:30 PM
BTW MiM, did they catch the fraud before it hit your account?
They declined the charge at the PoS and called me later that day to make sure it wasn't legit, so yeah I'm clear.
Some banks are much sharper than others. They see consistent use locally and then suddenly another state pops up, they kill the transaction immediately. Wish more banks were as sharp.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 05, 2012, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 05, 2012, 12:16:30 PM
BTW MiM, did they catch the fraud before it hit your account?
They declined the charge at the PoS and called me later that day to make sure it wasn't legit, so yeah I'm clear.
Some banks are much sharper than others. They see consistent use locally and then suddenly another state pops up, they kill the transaction immediately. Wish more banks were as sharp.
Which must be a bitch when doing some tourism.
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 12:58:14 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 05, 2012, 12:53:42 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 05, 2012, 12:16:30 PM
I see this happen. A lot. Trust no one with any of your information, always be careful which online merchants you buy from, and live with the expectation that it's going to happen sometime or another.
I've been lucky. The only time I had to put through a chargeback on one of my own cards was about 8 years ago when I was out with some friends and the waitress tried to stick me with the bill from the table next to us that left without paying. Wasn't the end of the world, but it pissed me off to no end once I put 2 & 2 together.
Really? WTF.
It's not like wait staff eats the loss--or at least, not in any restaurant I can think of, and I don't think management could even try to force them to (it would be like Wal-Mart charging cashiers for any shoplifting that occurred on their shift, or a car dealership charging a salesman for a test drive that ended with the car in a ditch). So if she did that just for the tip, that's really insane. If I'm incorrect and it was to cover a $50 loss, she really needs a new job, although I wouldn't expect she'd get one, what with being a fucking thief.
When I was a cashier at B&N, it was a big deal if your drawer ended up short. Presumably if it happened enough, one would get fired.
Yeah, but that's a totally different situation. It's pretty rare for tables to dash, but I've seen it happen (a guy did once almost manage to do it to me, but I caught him in the parking lot and got my monies). While the servers it occurred to were certainly pissed because of their wasted labor, lack of tip, and the theft from their employer, they just told the managers and the check was voided. Certainly they were never personally blamed. Hell, they usually got like a free meal or something to cover their lost income.
I guess if it happened routinely to one person, it'd arouse suspicion. I'm just curious if Spice had any more details on motive and whatnot.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 05, 2012, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 05, 2012, 12:16:30 PM
BTW MiM, did they catch the fraud before it hit your account?
They declined the charge at the PoS and called me later that day to make sure it wasn't legit, so yeah I'm clear.
Some banks are much sharper than others. They see consistent use locally and then suddenly another state pops up, they kill the transaction immediately. Wish more banks were as sharp.
I guess that's nice when you don't go anywhere.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 05, 2012, 01:13:36 PM
I guess if it happened routinely to one person, it'd arouse suspicion. I'm just curious if Spice had any more details on motive and whatnot.
I just generally think he has no idea what he is talking about. :)
As I was moving from Alaska to California, I tried buying some native art in Whitehorse by credit card (USAA), and within a couple minutes I received a robo-call on my cell (roaming dammit!) about suspicious activity on my card. Even though I told them I'd be in-transit . It probably was the amount I spent, though.
It was far more annoying when they shut off my card in Japan (and was much more crazy to try and call them about it...I never was able to). Good think AmEx didn't seem to care. :P
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 05, 2012, 01:15:15 PM
As I was moving from Alaska to California, I tried buying some native art in Whitehorse by credit card (USAA), and within a couple minutes I received a robo-call on my cell (roaming dammit!) about suspicious activity on my card. Even though I told them I'd be in-transit . Iit probably was the amount I spent, though.
It was far more annoying when they shut off my card in Japan (and was much more crazy to try and call them about it...I never was able to). Good think AmEx didn't seem to care. :P
Same happened to me when I took a trip to Europe. Told my credit union that I'd be in 5 different countries and even outlined the days. Day 2 in London, my card got frozen but I didn't know till I had shown up in Paris and had no way to pay for my room. :(
Quote from: Ideologue on June 05, 2012, 01:13:36 PM
I guess if it happened routinely to one person, it'd arouse suspicion. I'm just curious if Spice had any more details on motive and whatnot.
Here's how it went down.
We met another couple at Jillian's to play pool. We had already had dinner and the other couple had insisted on buying the first two rounds-- then they decided they were done drinking. So all I had on my tab was a beer and whatever fruity drink the wife had-- it came out to roughly $12 after tip. This was our only trip to Jillian's that summer.
A few minutes before we left, the table next to us, which had ordered some food and some drinks, gets up & leaves. I'm not paying much attention, but they apparently left without paying. The waitress, who seemed a bit new, flipped the hell out when she saw the empty table and ran to get another waitress to ask what she should do.
Within clear earshot of our table, Waitress #2 tells Waitress #1, "That is a problem, but it's probably something that can be fixed. Let's go talk to Bill." I'm guessing Bill was a manager or something.
A few weeks later I'm looking through my checking account statement & see my $12 charge from Jillians plus another for $58 from them for the same date. I call Jillian's and ask for a manager to try to sort it out, and the manager I spoke with unsympathetically told me to sort it out with my bank. Which I did, and won the chargeback a few weeks later.
I giggle whenever I drive by the building that used to be Jillian's :)
Damn. That's what I was thinking, though. Really, really, really bad management.
I'm glad you got your money back. :)
Quote from: Ideologue on June 05, 2012, 12:53:42 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 05, 2012, 12:16:30 PM
I see this happen. A lot. Trust no one with any of your information, always be careful which online merchants you buy from, and live with the expectation that it's going to happen sometime or another.
I've been lucky. The only time I had to put through a chargeback on one of my own cards was about 8 years ago when I was out with some friends and the waitress tried to stick me with the bill from the table next to us that left without paying. Wasn't the end of the world, but it pissed me off to no end once I put 2 & 2 together.
Really? WTF.
It's not like wait staff eats the loss--or at least, not in any restaurant I can think of, and I don't think management could even try to force them to (it would be like Wal-Mart charging cashiers for any shoplifting that occurred on their shift, or a car dealership charging a salesman for a test drive that ended with the car in a ditch). So if she did that just for the tip, that's really insane. If I'm incorrect and it was to cover a $50 loss, she really needs a new job, although I wouldn't expect she'd get one, what with being a fucking thief.
It is at a bunch of places, to make sure they dont give free food or booze to their friends.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 12:08:48 PM
Hence, why I don't own credit cards. Good luck spoofing my check card and my kept-low-on-purpose account balance.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264464/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264464/)
Quote from: viper37 on June 05, 2012, 01:59:24 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 12:08:48 PM
Hence, why I don't own credit cards. Good luck spoofing my check card and my kept-low-on-purpose account balance.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264464/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264464/)
I operate on a cash economy. If it's good enough for the Mob, it's good enough for me.
Yeah I do cash now as well.
I find I spend less that way. My budget thanks me.
Yeah, waitstaff are almost always responsible if they come up short. Not sure about a particular place and a proven and reported dine-and-dash.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 02:07:17 PM
I operate on a cash economy. If it's good enough for the Mob, it's good enough for me.
Eww.
Quote from: The Larch on June 05, 2012, 01:12:54 PMWhich must be a bitch when doing some tourism.
I almost exclusively use my credit card for tourism. I think the only thing I pay with it in Germany are train and airplane tickets, because that's more convenient with a credit card. If they blocked it whenever I use it in strange places like Cambodia or Ethiopia or so, I would not have any use for it.
Quote from: The Larch on June 05, 2012, 01:12:54 PMWhich must be a bitch when doing some tourism.
When I travel and expect to use my visa card, I call them and let them know the dates and country... usually I do it as I'm waiting to board the plane. Before I started that habit, I'd have overseas transactions declined on occasion.
Thanks alot MiM, i really needed a new Xbox. <_<
Quote from: derspiess on June 05, 2012, 01:31:23 PM
Here's how it went down...
Good on you for getting your money back. I guess they didn't make you sign the bill from the dine and dash table, or otherwise you'd have noticed it was closer to $70 rather than the expected $12?
Quote from: Jacob on June 05, 2012, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 05, 2012, 01:31:23 PM
Here's how it went down...
Good on you for getting your money back. I guess they didn't make you sign the bill from the dine and dash table, or otherwise you'd have noticed it was closer to $70 rather than the expected $12?
I would have definitely noticed the difference, yes. Plus I would have had to sign two different tabs, which also would have raised a flag with me ;)
When I called Jillian's, I kept asking for the manager to show me a copy of the $68 check with my signature on it, and he just played dumb & said they don't keep those. Riiight.
Cash? WTF
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
Cash? WTF
Actual, tactile and tangible legal tender for all debts public and private has not failed anyone for over 10,000 years.
Conversely, the concept of imaginary currency is the principle reason our economies are as fucked up as they are.
And you're going to WTF
me?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
Cash? WTF
Actual, tactile and tangible legal tender for all debts public and private has not failed anyone for over 10,000 years.
Conversely, the concept of imaginary currency is the principle reason our economies are as fucked up as they are.
And you're going to WTF me?
:rolleyes: Yes yes and the gold standard is teh r0xx0rz.
Apparently I tried to get credit on an iPod Touch at my old address last week, which triggered a credit alert, fortunately. Uniquely unambitious I feel - after I got my handbag stolen someone used my driving licence to get a 42" TV.
Quote from: Brazen on June 05, 2012, 02:42:21 PM
someone used my driving licence to get a 42" TV.
:wacko: That must have been a really disappointing road trip.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
Cash? WTF
Actual, tactile and tangible legal tender for all debts public and private has not failed anyone for over 10,000 years.
Conversely, the concept of imaginary currency is the principle reason our economies are as fucked up as they are.
And you're going to WTF me?
People have also loaned each other money for a long time.
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
Cash? WTF
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fxnonstop.com%2Fimg2%2Fubs_raises_forecast_for_swedish_krona_on_growth_prospects_rates.png&hash=98679fb1730895bb4d1fdb1e2cde5b72c6fc9a8c)
Hundra Kronor bills y'all
Only use those for blow.
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 03:08:02 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
Cash? WTF
Actual, tactile and tangible legal tender for all debts public and private has not failed anyone for over 10,000 years.
Conversely, the concept of imaginary currency is the principle reason our economies are as fucked up as they are.
And you're going to WTF me?
People have also loaned each other money for a long time.
Yeah, but when I loan it to you, I have the means to collect. Namely by kneecapping you with a metal softball bat.
Don't have that ability with financial institutions and their amorphous, made-up invisi-money bullshit.
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 03:08:02 PM
People have also loaned each other money for a long time.
Yeah and boy does that history look good for the borrower :P
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_KgBT8kIRgBo%2FTBVlRoM8VfI%2FAAAAAAAAGrQ%2FvTJepqtbRVQ%2Fs1600%2FDebtors%2Bprison.JPG&hash=77509e62b37084a5e30252dcc84732e070321b54)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 03:14:54 PM
Yeah, but when I loan it to you, I have the means to collect. Namely by kneecapping you with a metal softball bat.
Don't have that ability with financial institutions and their amorphous, made-up invisi-money bullshit.
You don't even know where I live.
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 03:42:00 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 03:14:54 PM
Yeah, but when I loan it to you, I have the means to collect. Namely by kneecapping you with a metal softball bat.
Don't have that ability with financial institutions and their amorphous, made-up invisi-money bullshit.
You don't even know where I live.
Which is why I'd never loan you money. So there. Nyah.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 03:42:42 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 03:42:00 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 03:14:54 PM
Yeah, but when I loan it to you, I have the means to collect. Namely by kneecapping you with a metal softball bat.
Don't have that ability with financial institutions and their amorphous, made-up invisi-money bullshit.
You don't even know where I live.
Which is why I'd never loan you money. So there. Nyah.
Well duh. You'd be paying me.
i know :ph34r:
I enjoyed the East Euro fags plopping four 20 dollar itunes charges on one of my cards. Slightly annoying.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 03:08:02 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
Cash? WTF
Actual, tactile and tangible legal tender for all debts public and private has not failed anyone for over 10,000 years.
Conversely, the concept of imaginary currency is the principle reason our economies are as fucked up as they are.
And you're going to WTF me?
People have also loaned each other money for a long time.
Yeah, but when I loan it to you, I have the means to collect. Namely by kneecapping you with a metal softball bat.
Don't have that ability with financial institutions and their amorphous, made-up invisi-money bullshit.
Funny, what you call debt collection I call extortion...
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2012, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 03:08:02 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
Cash? WTF
Actual, tactile and tangible legal tender for all debts public and private has not failed anyone for over 10,000 years.
Conversely, the concept of imaginary currency is the principle reason our economies are as fucked up as they are.
And you're going to WTF me?
People have also loaned each other money for a long time.
Yeah, but when I loan it to you, I have the means to collect. Namely by kneecapping you with a metal softball bat.
Don't have that ability with financial institutions and their amorphous, made-up invisi-money bullshit.
Funny, what you call debt collection I call extortion...
In his hypothetical he was only collecting money that I had borrowed but refused to pay back...not money that he decided was his. :P
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 04:07:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2012, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 03:08:02 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
Cash? WTF
Actual, tactile and tangible legal tender for all debts public and private has not failed anyone for over 10,000 years.
Conversely, the concept of imaginary currency is the principle reason our economies are as fucked up as they are.
And you're going to WTF me?
People have also loaned each other money for a long time.
Yeah, but when I loan it to you, I have the means to collect. Namely by kneecapping you with a metal softball bat.
Don't have that ability with financial institutions and their amorphous, made-up invisi-money bullshit.
Funny, what you call debt collection I call extortion...
In his hypothetical he was only collecting money that I had borrowed but refused to pay back...not money that he decided was his. :P
Believe it or not it is still against the law to kneecap someone because they owe you money - even if you really do owe them money. :o
I prosecuted a guy for this in Whitehorse. Beat a guy up because he owed him money (which he did), but was shocked when I upped the charge to extortion. :cool:
It's deja vu all over again. :weep:
kneecap the prosecutor.
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2012, 04:19:11 PM
Believe it or not it is still against the law to kneecap someone because they owe you money - even if you really do owe them money. :o
You must be joking.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 05, 2012, 04:27:03 PM
kneecap the prosecutor.
No shit. He's obviously Canadian, since no Italian prosecutor would ever say such things. :lol:
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2012, 04:19:11 PM
Believe it or not it is still against the law to kneecap someone because they owe you money - even if you really do owe them money. :o
You must be joking.
What do you expect, BB's self-righteousness to somehow dissipate?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2012, 04:19:11 PM
Believe it or not it is still against the law to kneecap someone because they owe you money - even if you really do owe them money. :o
You must be joking.
What do you expect, BB's self-righteousness to somehow dissipate?
Tell you what, I'll let you kneecap me any day.
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 07:30:56 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2012, 04:19:11 PM
Believe it or not it is still against the law to kneecap someone because they owe you money - even if you really do owe them money. :o
You must be joking.
What do you expect, BB's self-righteousness to somehow dissipate?
Tell you what, I'll let you kneecap me any day.
As long as nobody else knows.
Seedy in on the down low :o
Quote from: katmai on June 05, 2012, 08:03:30 PM
Seedy in on the down low :o
We're here to convert you.
Quote from: derspiess on June 05, 2012, 02:31:14 PM
I would have definitely noticed the difference, yes. Plus I would have had to sign two different tabs, which also would have raised a flag with me ;)
When I called Jillian's, I kept asking for the manager to show me a copy of the $68 check with my signature on it, and he just played dumb & said they don't keep those. Riiight.
Awesome. Another trick you can do is that
they actually
don't keep credit card receipts... but you'd better believe the bank's got every one logged from their nightly drop. You ask to contact
their bank, and if they refuse, threaten a police report, and they'll get in a real giving mood, real fast. There's always a cashier or someone that fudges things on card swipes, so nobody's going to want auditors going charge-by-charge in a criminal investigation.
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2012, 04:19:11 PM
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 03:08:02 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
Cash? WTF
Actual, tactile and tangible legal tender for all debts public and private has not failed anyone for over 10,000 years.
Conversely, the concept of imaginary currency is the principle reason our economies are as fucked up as they are.
And you're going to WTF me?
People have also loaned each other money for a long time.
Yeah, but when I loan it to you, I have the means to collect. Namely by kneecapping you with a metal softball bat.
Don't have that ability with financial institutions and their amorphous, made-up invisi-money bullshit.
Funny, what you call debt collection I call extortion...
In his hypothetical he was only collecting money that I had borrowed but refused to pay back...not money that he decided was his. :P
Believe it or not it is still against the law to kneecap someone because they owe you money - even if you really do owe them money. :o
I prosecuted a guy for this in Whitehorse. Beat a guy up because he owed him money (which he did), but was shocked when I upped the charge to extortion. :cool:
Say, you didn't happen to do this while he was, I dunno, unrepresented by counsel, did you?
Quote from: Ideologue on June 06, 2012, 12:06:52 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2012, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 04:07:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2012, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 03:08:02 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
Cash? WTF
Actual, tactile and tangible legal tender for all debts public and private has not failed anyone for over 10,000 years.
Conversely, the concept of imaginary currency is the principle reason our economies are as fucked up as they are.
And you're going to WTF me?
People have also loaned each other money for a long time.
Yeah, but when I loan it to you, I have the means to collect. Namely by kneecapping you with a metal softball bat.
Don't have that ability with financial institutions and their amorphous, made-up invisi-money bullshit.
Funny, what you call debt collection I call extortion...
In his hypothetical he was only collecting money that I had borrowed but refused to pay back...not money that he decided was his. :P
Believe it or not it is still against the law to kneecap someone because they owe you money - even if you really do owe them money. :o
I prosecuted a guy for this in Whitehorse. Beat a guy up because he owed him money (which he did), but was shocked when I upped the charge to extortion. :cool:
Say, you didn't happen to do this while he was, I dunno, unrepresented by counsel, did you?
I can not recall. It would make no difference in any event. :cool:
Quote from: Barrister on June 06, 2012, 01:13:25 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 06, 2012, 12:06:52 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2012, 04:19:11 PM
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Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2012, 04:04:12 PM
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Quote from: garbon on June 05, 2012, 03:08:02 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
Cash? WTF
Actual, tactile and tangible legal tender for all debts public and private has not failed anyone for over 10,000 years.
Conversely, the concept of imaginary currency is the principle reason our economies are as fucked up as they are.
And you're going to WTF me?
People have also loaned each other money for a long time.
Yeah, but when I loan it to you, I have the means to collect. Namely by kneecapping you with a metal softball bat.
Don't have that ability with financial institutions and their amorphous, made-up invisi-money bullshit.
Funny, what you call debt collection I call extortion...
In his hypothetical he was only collecting money that I had borrowed but refused to pay back...not money that he decided was his. :P
Believe it or not it is still against the law to kneecap someone because they owe you money - even if you really do owe them money. :o
I prosecuted a guy for this in Whitehorse. Beat a guy up because he owed him money (which he did), but was shocked when I upped the charge to extortion. :cool:
Say, you didn't happen to do this while he was, I dunno, unrepresented by counsel, did you?
I can not recall. It would make no difference in any event. :cool:
Dirty pool, mister. :P
Nah, it's fine. I mainly just wanted to piss off Yi.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2012, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
Cash? WTF
Actual, tactile and tangible legal tender for all debts public and private has not failed anyone for over 10,000 years.
Conversely, the concept of imaginary currency is the principle reason our economies are as fucked up as they are.
And you're going to WTF me?
Whatever Ron Paul
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 06, 2012, 05:41:45 AM
Whatever Ron Paul
Keep running up those credit cards Timmy.