OK, as part of my dealing-with-my-future-severance situation, I've been jumping back into the job market full-bore and buck naked for the first time with no real hard leads since, well, really 2003.
And while we're all familiar with the evolution of social media in recent years I have to say, I'm am rather stunned at the sheer magnitude of how much social media's been integrated into the job market.
Personally, believe in maintaining a low profile online with that sort of thing; not out of any sort of Luddism, or my brilliant on-line persona :P but because I see that sort of thing as an unnecessary risk, with more minuses than pluses. But I get the feeling it's putting me at a disadvantage.
I have no Facebook, no LinkedIn, none of that kind of stuff. Do you? And if so, to what extent?
I stay as far away from all those things as possible.
I've got Facebook but use it exclusively privately, with very high privacy settings. I've got Xing, which is like a German version of LinkedIn, but I don't really use and only occasionally browse to see what changed within my network. That doesn't tell a possible recruiter anymore than my resume though.
Google gives a few sites about my time at university, but apparently there is a Swedish math professor with my name and so it's hard to find anything about me online.
I use Facebook a fair bit, but I've always followed the common-sense approach re: privacy settings & thinking before I post anything. Amazes me how many people do not.
I maintain a sort of bare bones LinkedIn account. I've never found it that useful, but I do want it to be out there just in case I do need to use it for whatever reason.
What is "Link In"?
Quote from: Razgovory on May 03, 2012, 11:58:51 AM
What is "Link In"?
Where us important people post our important info. So we can network and form new paradigms.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 03, 2012, 12:03:28 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 03, 2012, 11:58:51 AM
What is "Link In"?
Where us important people post our important info. So we can network and form new paradigms.
Form new paradigms? I thought you just shifted the existing paradigms. Has there been a paradigm shift when it comes to the useage of paradigm?
If you have to ask, you have already been left behind.
I got Facebook, but keep it primarily for my social life rather than work related stuff. I do use it somewhat for professional networking, but only where my professional network overlaps my actual social life. I refrain from discussing politics, sex, religion or any other controversial topic on facebook; it's for social life co-ordination and sharing pictures and small talk with distant friends and relatives.
I also have a linked in account, but I don't like it and barely use it. That said, during a job hunt, I'd create/ update it and check it regularly, but otherwise I pretty much ignore it.
I use Facebook exclusively for private reasons. I do use it to occasionally post comments on political websites (think Polish HuffPo) but I keep it polite - I don't identify as an employee of my firm of course.
LinkedIn is all the rage in the lawyer/private equity community here recently so I joined. It's mostly useful to see who knows who, though. Private equity/M&A lawyering must be the most incestuous market ever - everybody represents everybody.
Quote from: Martinus on May 03, 2012, 12:46:03 PM
LinkedIn is all the rage in the lawyer/private equity community here recently so I joined. It's mostly useful to see who knows who, though.
See, that's precisely one of the reasons why I don't use it; after all, you
don't know who knows who--what if a prospective employer checks out your connections, and comes across one of your old bosses he knows and considers him an asshole? You're timmaytainted by association.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 01:09:20 PM
Quote from: Martinus on May 03, 2012, 12:46:03 PM
LinkedIn is all the rage in the lawyer/private equity community here recently so I joined. It's mostly useful to see who knows who, though.
See, that's precisely one of the reasons why I don't use it; after all, you don't know who knows who--what if a prospective employer checks out your connections, and comes across one of your old bosses he knows and considers him an asshole? You're timmaytainted by association.
Its not entirely suprising that Marti's look at me look at me personality here translates into his activities outside of Languish.
Is today a "Martinus Roast" day?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 01:09:20 PMSee, that's precisely one of the reasons why I don't use it; after all, you don't know who knows who--what if a prospective employer checks out your connections, and comes across one of your old bosses he knows and considers him an asshole? You're timmaytainted by association.
Nah, that's not going to hurt you. Everyone's worked with assholes before, as a boss.
The only potential problem is if you have a glowing reference from said boss, and the prospective employer hates the boss so much that anyone he likes is tainted; but you have that problem with paper/phone references as well.
The main thing about linked in is that people will look at your network and find people they also know, and get their take on you; so unless most people you link to hate you, it's a good thing (because if your former colleague who I know to be a stand up guy says you're good, that means more than if the guy you put on your resume says so). It's also an easy way to ask and search for specific candidates and refer them to others (generally a good thing).
It's not going to bite you in the ass unless you're stupid about it.
I don't use social media in my personal life and I sure as fuck don't use them in my professional life. Since, you know, I'm not a me-too retard.
Quote from: DGuller on May 03, 2012, 01:36:29 PM
Is today a "Martinus Roast" day?
He has posted today if that is what you are asking.
Facebook is for family and friends, though have gotten leads from folks on work there, but don't use it as such.
have linked account which like spicy and jacob is bare bones but have expanded my network a decent amount.
Quote from: Jacob on May 03, 2012, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 01:09:20 PMSee, that's precisely one of the reasons why I don't use it; after all, you don't know who knows who--what if a prospective employer checks out your connections, and comes across one of your old bosses he knows and considers him an asshole? You're timmaytainted by association.
Nah, that's not going to hurt you.
Sure it is, and that's my objection to this whole thing: there are people out there in this world that still do business according to who you are (hmm, looks Jewish), the color of your skin (holy shit, he's black!), what you look like (ooh, she's blonde and hot, I'm going to stalk her voicemail), where you went to school (fuck THE Ohio State moron factory), etc. You don't need to vetted before you're vetted. There's enough pervasive discrimination in the hiring process as it is, you don't need to deal with it
before the actual process begins.
And with some of the information these people are putting out there, particularly like LinkedIn...I don't know; maybe because I spent so long as a private investigator/bail bondsman who spent quite a bit of time for years pretexting people for information they didn't know they shouldn't be giving, it's just ripe for confidence games and spear phishing. Hell, it makes it easier--now I know what you look like, I know where you work, I know what you do and what you did 5 years ago. If you're a mark for some reason, you've made my life just that much easier; I have a wealth of information to springboard from. I graduated the year after you, I used to work with so-and-so, I'm in the association with you.
It's just seems to be an unnecessary risk for anything from harassment to identity theft to social engineering to spear phishing, and I've spent the last several years in the mitigating of such risk. And you're just putting it out there.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 02:57:03 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 03, 2012, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 01:09:20 PMSee, that's precisely one of the reasons why I don't use it; after all, you don't know who knows who--what if a prospective employer checks out your connections, and comes across one of your old bosses he knows and considers him an asshole? You're timmaytainted by association.
Nah, that's not going to hurt you.
Sure it is, and that's my objection to this whole thing: there are people out there in this world that still do business according to who you are (hmm, looks Jewish), the color of your skin (holy shit, he's black!), what you look like (ooh, she's blonde and hot, I'm going to stalk her voicemail), where you went to school (fuck THE Ohio State moron factory), etc. You don't need to vetted before you're vetted. There's enough pervasive discrimination in the hiring process as it is, you don't need to deal with it before the actual process begins.
And with some of the information these people are putting out there, particularly like LinkedIn...I don't know; maybe because I spent so long as a private investigator/bail bondsman who spent quite a bit of time for years pretexting people for information they didn't know they shouldn't be giving, it's just ripe for confidence games and spear phishing. Hell, it makes it easier--now I know what you look like, I know where you work, I know what you do and what you did 5 years ago. If you're a mark for some reason, you've made my life just that much easier; I have a wealth of information to springboard from. I graduated the year after you, I used to work with so-and-so, I'm in the association with you.
It's just seems to be an unnecessary risk for anything from harassment to identity theft to social engineering to spear phishing, and I've spent the last several years in the mitigating of such risk. And you're just putting it out there.
Isn't that information out there already, though? At least by setting up your LinkedIn profile you have some control over the narrative and can build it the way it makes you look good - it's better than someone building a picture of you from some random tidbits they found on the internet.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 02:57:03 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 03, 2012, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 01:09:20 PMSee, that's precisely one of the reasons why I don't use it; after all, you don't know who knows who--what if a prospective employer checks out your connections, and comes across one of your old bosses he knows and considers him an asshole? You're timmaytainted by association.
Nah, that's not going to hurt you.
Sure it is, and that's my objection to this whole thing: there are people out there in this world that still do business according to who you are (hmm, looks Jewish), the color of your skin (holy shit, he's black!), what you look like (ooh, she's blonde and hot, I'm going to stalk her voicemail), where you went to school (fuck THE Ohio State moron factory), etc. You don't need to vetted before you're vetted. There's enough pervasive discrimination in the hiring process as it is, you don't need to deal with it before the actual process begins.
And with some of the information these people are putting out there, particularly like LinkedIn...I don't know; maybe because I spent so long as a private investigator/bail bondsman who spent quite a bit of time for years pretexting people for information they didn't know they shouldn't be giving, it's just ripe for confidence games and spear phishing. Hell, it makes it easier--now I know what you look like, I know where you work, I know what you do and what you did 5 years ago. If you're a mark for some reason, you've made my life just that much easier; I have a wealth of information to springboard from. I graduated the year after you, I used to work with so-and-so, I'm in the association with you.
It's just seems to be an unnecessary risk for anything from harassment to identity theft to social engineering to spear phishing, and I've spent the last several years in the mitigating of such risk. And you're just putting it out there.
I've always left my LinkedIn picture blank. From what I've heard from recruiters, a pic is a distraction at best.
Quote from: derspiess on May 03, 2012, 03:14:46 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 02:57:03 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 03, 2012, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 01:09:20 PMSee, that's precisely one of the reasons why I don't use it; after all, you don't know who knows who--what if a prospective employer checks out your connections, and comes across one of your old bosses he knows and considers him an asshole? You're timmaytainted by association.
Nah, that's not going to hurt you.
Sure it is, and that's my objection to this whole thing: there are people out there in this world that still do business according to who you are (hmm, looks Jewish), the color of your skin (holy shit, he's black!), what you look like (ooh, she's blonde and hot, I'm going to stalk her voicemail), where you went to school (fuck THE Ohio State moron factory), etc. You don't need to vetted before you're vetted. There's enough pervasive discrimination in the hiring process as it is, you don't need to deal with it before the actual process begins.
And with some of the information these people are putting out there, particularly like LinkedIn...I don't know; maybe because I spent so long as a private investigator/bail bondsman who spent quite a bit of time for years pretexting people for information they didn't know they shouldn't be giving, it's just ripe for confidence games and spear phishing. Hell, it makes it easier--now I know what you look like, I know where you work, I know what you do and what you did 5 years ago. If you're a mark for some reason, you've made my life just that much easier; I have a wealth of information to springboard from. I graduated the year after you, I used to work with so-and-so, I'm in the association with you.
It's just seems to be an unnecessary risk for anything from harassment to identity theft to social engineering to spear phishing, and I've spent the last several years in the mitigating of such risk. And you're just putting it out there.
I've always left my LinkedIn picture blank. From what I've heard from recruiters, a pic is a distraction at best.
Ouch.
Quote from: Martinus on May 03, 2012, 03:05:06 PM
Isn't that information out there already, though?
Maybe, maybe not--but are you really not going to make me work for it?
When it comes to the randomness aspect, it's sort of like being a car thief; if it's going to be more trouble than it's worth, I'll just move on to the next one.
I'm beginning to get the hang of facebook, the key is to make sure you're blocked/ignore list continues to vastly outstrip your friends total.
Oh and a healthy flow of the later to the former category helps.
I actually got my current gig thanks to LinkedIn, although not directly. IMO it's a great tool.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 02:57:03 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 03, 2012, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 01:09:20 PMSee, that's precisely one of the reasons why I don't use it; after all, you don't know who knows who--what if a prospective employer checks out your connections, and comes across one of your old bosses he knows and considers him an asshole? You're timmaytainted by association.
Nah, that's not going to hurt you.
Sure it is, and that's my objection to this whole thing: there are people out there in this world that still do business according to who you are (hmm, looks Jewish), the color of your skin (holy shit, he's black!), what you look like (ooh, she's blonde and hot, I'm going to stalk her voicemail), where you went to school (fuck THE Ohio State moron factory), etc. You don't need to vetted before you're vetted. There's enough pervasive discrimination in the hiring process as it is, you don't need to deal with it before the actual process begins.
And with some of the information these people are putting out there, particularly like LinkedIn...I don't know; maybe because I spent so long as a private investigator/bail bondsman who spent quite a bit of time for years pretexting people for information they didn't know they shouldn't be giving, it's just ripe for confidence games and spear phishing. Hell, it makes it easier--now I know what you look like, I know where you work, I know what you do and what you did 5 years ago. If you're a mark for some reason, you've made my life just that much easier; I have a wealth of information to springboard from. I graduated the year after you, I used to work with so-and-so, I'm in the association with you.
It's just seems to be an unnecessary risk for anything from harassment to identity theft to social engineering to spear phishing, and I've spent the last several years in the mitigating of such risk. And you're just putting it out there.
You're paranoid, I guess because of your line of work. Take a chill pill.
I'd make a quick check if I were you. Think of a few colleagues, bosses, associates, etc. Check if they have profiles and what's in them.
Quote from: The Larch on May 03, 2012, 03:57:29 PM
I'd make a quick check if I were you. Think of a few colleagues, bosses, associates, etc. Check if they have profiles and what's in them.
I've checked. Not much there at all. Except for the chest puffers.
Quote from: The Larch on May 03, 2012, 03:57:29 PM
You're paranoid, I guess because of your line of work. Take a chill pill.
I can't. I take a chill pill, AND PEOPLE DIE
People who network a lot are douches. Coincidence? Maybe.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 03:59:14 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 03, 2012, 03:57:29 PM
You're paranoid, I guess because of your line of work. Take a chill pill.
I can't. I take a chill pill, AND PEOPLE DIE
And they apparently don't work on him, ask his doctors.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 03:58:35 PMI've checked. Not much there at all. Except for the chest puffers.
Then you can safely ignore it too.
The chest puffers get on linked in first. Eventually regular people follow, and then the recruiters descend.
Quote from: The Brain on May 03, 2012, 04:00:03 PM
People who network a lot are douches. Coincidence? Maybe.
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My facebook is pretty hard to find, too much so even, not sure why, think I tinkered somewhere back down the line.
When it comes to job searching after I finish this job I think I'm probally going to change my surname on facebook to make me even harder to find.
One potential problem though is that despite my name being really uncommon there are a few other guys with the same name...one of whom seems to be a drunken rah moron who goes to the uni where I did my bachellor. Recruiters could potentially believe I'm this idiot with the half naked drunken profile picture....
I use Facebook privately and I don't accept friend requests from colleagues.
My employer 'discovered' social media a few months ago :bleeding: and pressured everyone to get a Linkedin account.
So far, I haven't seen much use for it, so I may quietly take it out back and shoot it one of these days.
I do keep a close eye on privacy settings, there's no-one else with my name in the world, so it's much easier to connect the dots.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 11:38:10 AM
OK, as part of my dealing-with-my-future-severance situation, I've been jumping back into the job market full-bore and buck naked for the first time with no real hard leads since, well, really 2003.
And while we're all familiar with the evolution of social media in recent years I have to say, I'm am rather stunned at the sheer magnitude of how much social media's been integrated into the job market.
Personally, believe in maintaining a low profile online with that sort of thing; not out of any sort of Luddism, or my brilliant on-line persona :P but because I see that sort of thing as an unnecessary risk, with more minuses than pluses. But I get the feeling it's putting me at a disadvantage.
I have no Facebook, no LinkedIn, none of that kind of stuff. Do you? And if so, to what extent?
I don't. I feel like I should, but it seems troublesome.
Quote from: Tyr on May 03, 2012, 10:12:05 PM
My facebook is pretty hard to find, too much so even, not sure why, think I tinkered somewhere back down the line.
When it comes to job searching after I finish this job I think I'm probally going to change my surname on facebook to make me even harder to find.
One potential problem though is that despite my name being really uncommon there are a few other guys with the same name...one of whom seems to be a drunken rah moron who goes to the uni where I did my bachellor. Recruiters could potentially believe I'm this idiot with the half naked drunken profile picture....
I treasure my common-name-induced anonymity. You try searching for my name, you'll come up with everything from christian musicians to MLB pitchers. If we don't actually have mutual friends, it takes some major Net Fu to find me. :P