OK, it's tomorrow night, to flush out all your baseball-addled, hockey-playoffed brains.
Round 1
Pick Overall Team
1 1 Indianapolis Colts
2 2 Washington Redskins (from St. Louis)
3 3 Minnesota Vikings
4 4 Cleveland Browns
5 5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 6 St. Louis Rams (from Washington)
7 7 Jacksonville Jaguars
8 8 Miami Dolphins
9 9 Carolina Panthers
10 10 Buffalo Bills
11 11 Kansas City Chiefs
12 12 Seattle Seahawks
13 13 Arizona Cardinals
14 14 Dallas Cowboys
15 15 Philadelphia Eagles
16 16 New York Jets
17 17 Cincinnati Bengals (from Oakland)
18 18 San Diego Chargers
19 19 Chicago Bears
20 20 Tennessee Titans
21 21 Cincinnati Bengals
22 22 Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta)
23 23 Detroit Lions
24 24 Pittsburgh Steelers
25 25 Denver Broncos
26 26 Houston Texans
27 27 New England Patriots (from New Orleans)
28 28 Green Bay Packers
29 29 Baltimore Ravens
30 30 San Francisco 49ers
31 31 New England Patriots
32 32 New York Giants
Colts GM has officially confirmed Luck will be the first pick.
I will only need to watch the first 20 minutes or so of this years draft...for the next three years.
Quote from: Valmy on April 25, 2012, 09:54:07 AM
I will only need to watch the first 20 minutes or so of this years draft...for the next three years.
:console:
I'm sure with all that cap space Snider cleared... oh wait. :sleep:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 25, 2012, 10:03:24 AM
:console:
I'm sure with all that cap space Snider cleared... oh wait. :sleep:
That was not a whine. I actually like the move. The whole uncapped year that was not actually an uncapped year thing not so much.
Daaamn, even Timmay's swimming in the feeding frenzy :lol:
Late money has the Ravens trading out of the 1st and taking the center from Wisconsin, Peter Konz. Wouldn't be a sexy pick, but definitely needed. And he's a man-child bulldozer who can play left guard. Health issues, though.
But a lot of the murmurs coming from the Castle are saying they're going to go pass rush. WR is deep in this draft, so that may wait.
Don't be surprised if they pick an inside LB that falls far enough to help with the post-Ray Ray era, though.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2012, 10:19:03 AM
Daaamn, even Timmay's swimming in the feeding frenzy :lol:
Meh he has always been a classless bitch when it comes to talking football.
Quote from: Valmy on April 25, 2012, 10:35:37 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2012, 10:19:03 AM
Daaamn, even Timmay's swimming in the feeding frenzy :lol:
Meh he has always been a classless bitch when it comes to talking football.
Moi!? :o
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 25, 2012, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 25, 2012, 10:35:37 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2012, 10:19:03 AM
Daaamn, even Timmay's swimming in the feeding frenzy :lol:
Meh he has always been a classless bitch when it comes to talking football.
Moi!? :o
Yeah, mew. Patriotard.
I'm going to a pre-draft party this evening. I have no idea what that even is.
Quote from: derspiess on April 25, 2012, 11:12:17 AM
I'm going to a pre-draft party this evening. I have no idea what that even is.
An excuse to have booze.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 25, 2012, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 25, 2012, 11:12:17 AM
I'm going to a pre-draft party this evening. I have no idea what that even is.
An excuse to have booze.
Well, it is at a microbrewery.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 25, 2012, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 25, 2012, 11:12:17 AM
I'm going to a pre-draft party this evening. I have no idea what that even is.
An excuse to have booze.
And watch basketball, baseball and hockey. What with the draft tomorrow night.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2012, 11:56:07 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 25, 2012, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 25, 2012, 11:12:17 AM
I'm going to a pre-draft party this evening. I have no idea what that even is.
An excuse to have booze.
And watch basketball, baseball and hockey. What with the draft tomorrow night.
That's part of what confuses me.
It's hard to get into the draft, as I don't know or care about college football. Also, the Rangers are playing the Senators, with advancement to the second round on the line.
Once guys don the purple, then they become real to me. Until then, they're just amateurs.
Quote from: Neil on April 25, 2012, 12:08:23 PM
It's hard to get into the draft, as I don't know or care about college football. Also, the Rangers are playing the Senators, with advancement to the second round on the line.
Once guys don the purple, then they become real to me. Until then, they're just amateurs.
I have to say that apart from seeing if the Bengals draft to their needs and keeping tabs on which (if any) WVU or Delaware players get drafted, I don't follow the draft all that closely. I love both NFL and college football, but I need some "time off" each year from any sport I follow.
The draft is pretty over-rated. I mean it is not over-rated in the sense that it is the most proven method to build a great team but as a form of entertainment. I mean I love the University of Texas and I hope each player has a great career but which specific team they play on does not matter much unless it is the Redskins.
Quote from: derspiess on April 25, 2012, 12:14:13 PM
I love both NFL and college football, but I need some "time off" each year from any sport I follow.
It's been months, man. C'mon.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2012, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 25, 2012, 12:14:13 PM
I love both NFL and college football, but I need some "time off" each year from any sport I follow.
It's been months, man. C'mon.
I usually wake up from my football hibernation a week before camp. Which mercifully will be held in Cincy this year rather than Georgetown, KY.
Quote from: derspiess on April 25, 2012, 12:19:37 PM
I usually wake up from my football hibernation a week before camp. Which mercifully will be held in Cincy this year rather than Georgetown, KY.
Yeah I prefer to follow sports that are actually playing games but here in Texas all the sports media does is talk about football year round.
The lead story will be which right tackle impressed the coaches at today's drills at UT. Somewhere they might mention the San Antionio Spurs just wrapped up the #1 seed in the Western Conference in the NBA playoffs....maybe.
I hate this prime time draft shit. Put it back on the weekend so I can sit on my couch and fall asleep both saturday and sunday.
Quote from: Valmy on April 25, 2012, 12:22:50 PMSomewhere they might mention the San Antionio Spurs just wrapped up the #1 seed in the Western Conference in the NBA playoffs....maybe.
Even that is unimportant compared to Dipshit World Peace throwing elbows.
FUCK. Phil Simms is in Madden 13. :mad: :(
Quote from: Neil on April 25, 2012, 12:08:23 PM
It's hard to get into the draft, as I don't know or care about college football. Also, the Rangers are playing the Senators, with advancement to the second round on the line.
Your Cancukness is showing.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 25, 2012, 05:04:54 PM
I hate this prime time draft shit. Put it back on the weekend so I can sit on my couch and fall asleep both saturday and sunday.
:thumbsup:
Yeah, not digging it either. Should be an excuse to piss away an entire weekend.
http://www.jockular.com/14200/hot-girl-offers-indecent-proposal-to-last-pick-in-nfl-draft
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 25, 2012, 05:58:40 PM
FUCK. Phil Simms is in Madden 13. :mad: :(
He's an improvement over Collinsworth and his annoying mid-sentence pauses.
I'd like to have a Gus Johnson toggle switch in Madden. When I need a laugh, I switch it on. When my ears start to bleed, I switch it off.
edit: wtf
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Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2012, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 25, 2012, 05:58:40 PM
FUCK. Phil Simms is in Madden 13. :mad: :(
He's an improvement over Collinsworth and his annoying mid-sentence pauses.
Are you kidding? I'd take CC over Phil's "and he goes", " and I goes", and "then he "goes", non-"said" saying ass any day. Fucking illiterate motherfucker.
Sounds like the Pro Bowl may be dead.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7857508/nfl-likely-suspend-pro-bowl-game-sources-say
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2012, 11:02:17 AM
Are you kidding? I'd take CC over Phil's "and he goes", " and I goes", and "then he "goes", non-"said" saying ass any day. Fucking illiterate motherfucker.
Yeah, I know. For whatever reason, Simms just doesn't bother me. Then again, I don't have to hear Simms doing non-stop local radio & TV ads for car dealerships, window replacement, and heating/cooling.
Since CC lives around here, he leaves his iPad at Paul Brown Stadium to be synced up with each week's game films. I saw it in the video room late last season & I swear I wanted to smash it into pieces.
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2012, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2012, 11:02:17 AM
Are you kidding? I'd take CC over Phil's "and he goes", " and I goes", and "then he "goes", non-"said" saying ass any day. Fucking illiterate motherfucker.
Yeah, I know. For whatever reason, Simms just doesn't bother me. Then again, I don't have to hear Simms doing non-stop local radio & TV ads for car dealerships, window replacement, and heating/cooling.
Heh, OK, I can understand that then. Sorta the same reason I cringe when Jim Palmer's calling a game--I heard his voice three times on radio and TV commercials already that day.
For some voices I kinda like hearing them regularly. For example, Marty Brennaman has been doing Reds games on the radio for as long as I've been alive (give or take a few months). I have memories going back to the the 70s of listening to Reds games with him and Joe Nuxhall (RIP) on the radio. It was sad when Nuxy died in 2007 and it just won't be the same whenever Marty is gone.
It's not so much that I like Marty Brennaman-- in fact he's pretty much a self-aggrandizing asshole. But I do like hearing his voice on the radio :)
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2012, 11:41:57 AM
But I do like hearing his voice on the radio :)
I miss Hank Stram, when he used to do MNF for CBS Radio back in the day, when I wasn't allowed to stay up past 9. I had one of those bulky ass radio headsets from the late 70s/early 80s that ran on a 9-volt battery and only got AM stations, and I'd listen to the games. Looked like a cosmonaut in that damned thing.
Frank Herzog: Touchdown! Washington Redskins!
He got to say that much less frequently during his last 10 years in the job.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2012, 11:56:01 AM
I miss Hank Stram, when he used to do MNF for CBS Radio back in the day, when I wasn't allowed to stay up past 9. I had one of those bulky ass radio headsets from the late 70s/early 80s that ran on a 9-volt battery and only got AM stations, and I'd listen to the games. Looked like a cosmonaut in that damned thing.
LOL, found 'em. Mine were yellow.
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Merrill Reese is always awesome doing Eagles games.
His partner Mike Quick, however, is equally un-awesome. "Donovan MACNabb" :bleeding:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2012, 11:56:01 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2012, 11:41:57 AM
But I do like hearing his voice on the radio :)
I miss Hank Stram, when he used to do MNF for CBS Radio back in the day, when I wasn't allowed to stay up past 9. I had one of those bulky ass radio headsets from the late 70s/early 80s that ran on a 9-volt battery and only got AM stations, and I'd listen to the games. Looked like a cosmonaut in that damned thing.
:lol:
I remember those.
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2012, 01:23:22 PM
Merrill Reese is always awesome doing Eagles games.
His partner Mike Quick, however, is equally un-awesome. "Donovan MACNabb" :bleeding:
Ex-players and coaches are generally terrible even as color guys. I remember how hilarious the old Houston Oilers games were with Bum Phillips doing color.
Play by Play guy: 'Another soul crush playoff loss for the Oilers'
Bum: "Yep *mutter incomprehensively*"
Come on, though-- you gotta love Bum.
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
Come on, though-- you gotta love Bum.
Oh of course I do just radio was not really playing to his strengths :P
Quote from: Valmy on April 26, 2012, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
Come on, though-- you gotta love Bum.
Oh of course I do just radio was not really playing to his strengths :P
Couldn't see the hat.
Quote from: Valmy on April 26, 2012, 01:51:39 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2012, 01:23:22 PM
Merrill Reese is always awesome doing Eagles games.
His partner Mike Quick, however, is equally un-awesome. "Donovan MACNabb" :bleeding:
Ex-players and coaches are generally terrible even as color guys. I remember how hilarious the old Houston Oilers games were with Bum Phillips doing color.
Play by Play guy: 'Another soul crush playoff loss for the Oilers'
Bum: "Yep *mutter incomprehensively*"
Since my father is a sports writer, and my cousin is a sports broadcaster (normally does the local minor league baseball team, but he actually did colour on a handful of Winnipeg Jets games on the radio this last year) I hate the constant stream of ex-athletes they bring in to broadcasting. It's a whole separate skill set from playing the sport. They need to focus on bringing in talented play-by-play and colour analysts, not ex-athletes.
Hey BB, your old man ever been to Cooperstown? The Baseball Hall of Fame has a great little exhibit devoted specifically to sportswriters and sportscasters. It's a nice touch.
Quote from: Barrister on April 26, 2012, 03:29:04 PM
Since my father is a sports writer, and my cousin is a sports broadcaster (normally does the local minor league baseball team, but he actually did colour on a handful of Winnipeg Jets games on the radio this last year) I hate the constant stream of ex-athletes they bring in to broadcasting. It's a whole separate skill set from playing the sport. They need to focus on bringing in talented play-by-play and colour analysts, not ex-athletes.
Ex-athletes can bring some insight that career broadcasters lack, though. And some of them (definitely not all, but some) are able to make up for lost time & become good announcers in their own right. I'd put the Bengals radio color guy, Dave Lapham, in that category. Bonus points for him because he played for the New Jersey Generals after his 10-year stint with the Bengals.
Now the current Reds radio color guy is Jeff Brantley and he is horrible. Every time I hear him speak I think back to the one season he pitched for the Cardinals where they had spent big bucks to get him and I believe he set a club record for blown saves. Plus his Mississippi accent is annoying and he adds no special insight.
Keith Moreland, former Philly and Cub and Texas football/baseball player and current Chicago Cub broadcaster, was amazing when he called the Texas games and as a former catcher his knowledge of baseball was almost eerie. He would call everything before it happened.
'This would be a good situation to send the runner at first....and there he goes'
'The next pitch will probably be a slider inside....and a great inside slider for a critical strike out'
and so forth. He knew football as well but damn it was like listening to Napoleon give commentary on a battle when he called a baseball game.
Sometimes I think about subscribing to NFL Radio. I've never listened to an NFL game on the radio.
Browns give up 1, 3, 5, 7 round picks to Vikes to move up 1 spot to 3 for Richardson.
QuoteSometimes I think about subscribing to NFL Radio. I've never listened to an NFL game on the radio.
You really aren't missing much.
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2012, 06:33:55 PM
Browns give up 1, 3, 5, 7 round picks to Vikes to move up 1 spot to 3 for Richardson.
If that is true that is really, really dumb.
I agree. Richardson is nice but not worth the #4 much less moving up to get him.
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2012, 06:33:55 PM
Browns give up 1, 3, 5, 7 round picks to Vikes to move up 1 spot to 3 for Richardson.
:lol: Good God.
ARE YOU READY FOR THE DRAFT?? WE ARE
Though the browns did have 13 picks, which is a ridiculous number. Still too high for a RB either way.
THIS FIRST TEN MINUTES IS GOING TO BE SO SUSPENSEFUL! WHO WILL THEY TAKE?!
Luck still sounds like a retard.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 26, 2012, 07:09:36 PM
Luck still sounds like a retard.
At least he shaved that horrible beard.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 26, 2012, 07:09:36 PM
Luck still sounds like a retard.
Well he is from Texas.
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2012, 06:33:55 PM
Browns give up 1, 3, 5, 7 round picks to Vikes to move up 1 spot to 3 for Richardson.
For fuck's sake, he'd have still been there.
Whelp, The Danny murders another promising career before it starts.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2012, 07:17:07 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2012, 06:33:55 PM
Browns give up 1, 3, 5, 7 round picks to Vikes to move up 1 spot to 3 for Richardson.
For fuck's sake, he'd have still been there.
Vikings must have done a good sales job convincing them they were going to trade it to someone else.
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2012, 07:18:41 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2012, 07:17:07 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2012, 06:33:55 PM
Browns give up 1, 3, 5, 7 round picks to Vikes to move up 1 spot to 3 for Richardson.
For fuck's sake, he'd have still been there.
Vikings must have done a good sales job convincing them they were going to trade it to someone else.
So they can still get the WR they need in Blackmon if they want, and rape the Brownies for more picks anyhow. :lol:
Makes up for their draft day fuck-ups a few years back.
Trent Richardson is a fucking stud and the best athlete in the draft after RG3, but man, Cleveland overpaid. AND HE WAS STILL GOING TO BE THERE WITH THE 4TH!!!!
Jax just traded up?
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2012, 06:33:55 PM
Browns give up 1, 3, 5, 7 round picks to Vikes to move up 1 spot to 3 for Richardson.
That's retarded.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 26, 2012, 07:33:21 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2012, 06:33:55 PM
Browns give up 1, 3, 5, 7 round picks to Vikes to move up 1 spot to 3 for Richardson.
That's retarded.
Thanks for the analysis.
At least 'retarded' was spelled correctly.
How they get the names of the back of those jerseys so fast?
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2012, 07:40:42 PM
How they get the names of the back of those jerseys so fast?
They have 32 of them for the top 40 possible picks. :lol:
Is that crowd yelling 'WHAT?' like it some white trash WWE wrestling promo?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2012, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2012, 07:40:42 PM
How they get the names of the back of those jerseys so fast?
They have 32 of them for the top 40 possible picks. :lol:
I was picturing a small old Asian lady in the back room slaving over a 1974 Singer sewing machine while Goodell is screaming at her to hurry up.
Tannehill is going to be a disaster. I don't like him at all.
Eisen was saying Nike had a hot press thing back there for the names.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 26, 2012, 07:57:20 PM
Eisen was saying Nike had a hot press thing back there for the names.
That's right, this is Nike's first year as official uniform-er. People can bash them all they want but their marketing department is phenomenal.
God, I love those DirectTV commercials.
"...and when he has time to think, he thinks of you."
The Seahawks make a "shocking" pick of a guy who was supposed to go in the second round, dropped out of high school, and has spent time in jail for robbery. :bleeding:
In other words, Pete Carroll's kind of guy.
I like the Barron pick. Good all around safety and Bucs really needed one. :yuk:
I suppose it was a bit much to hope for Melvin Ingram to still be on the board for the Ravens. :(
Cincy sold out to New England! You bastards.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2012, 09:02:55 PM
Cincy sold out to New England! You bastards.
And those fucks took my linebacker.
Well there's the replacement for Mario's spot.
Well, fuck.
Berman verbalizing WHAT at the SF pick was hilarious.
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The Browns and I are on a break till Heckert and Holmgren are gone. Holy fucksticks did they butcher the first round in every conceivable way possible. Overpaying and trading up for a guy who would probably still be there. Reaching for a QB when they need an RT, RG, and LG far, far, far more with top teir talent at those positions still on the board. Not to mention the QB's supposed best feature is his arm strength. Which would be all well and good if it were the Raiders or someone with speedy recievers and that offensive scheme, but they've been preaching and gutting the prior roster to set up a West Coast Offense since Holmgren rolled into town. Utter fiasco.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on April 26, 2012, 10:27:20 PM
The Browns and I are on a break till Heckert and Holmgren are gone. Holy fucksticks did they butcher the first round in every conceivable way possible. Overpaying and trading up for a guy who would probably still be there. Reaching for a QB when they need an RT, RG, and LG far, far, far more with top teir talent at those positions still on the board. Not to mention the QB's supposed best feature is his arm strength. Which would be all well and good if it were the Raiders or someone with speedy recievers and that offensive scheme, but they've been preaching and gutting the prior roster to set up a West Coast Offense since Holmgren rolled into town. Utter fiasco.
Yes, my friend, I'm afraid they fucked the pooch on this round. Didn't have to go down that way.
But Richardson is still a stud muffin, and will make an impact immediately.
An RB is only as good as his line.
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
An RB is only as good as his line.
An average RB is only as good as his line. A superstar RB produces regardless of the quality of his line.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2012, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
An RB is only as good as his line.
An average RB is only as good as his line. A superstar RB produces regardless of the quality of his line.
But imagine how much better he could do with a stud RT and RG or LG instead of a QB. Idiots. It makes me pissed just thinking about it. Watching the Bengals draft a position the Raiders need with their Carson Palmer pick sucked too. It was a terrible draft day for me to say the least.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2012, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
An RB is only as good as his line.
An average RB is only as good as his line. A superstar RB produces regardless of the quality of his line.
I don't know if that's true anymore, or maybe there are just no superstars anymore.
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2012, 11:06:06 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2012, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
An RB is only as good as his line.
An average RB is only as good as his line. A superstar RB produces regardless of the quality of his line.
I don't know if that's true anymore, or maybe there are just no superstars anymore.
Steven Jackson wants you to fuck off. :lol:
I cannot believe that Luck guy went before Foles.
While I am grateful I no longer have to endure watching the amateurish and wretched Cleveland Brown offense anymore I just do not understand the rumor going around they are looking to trade Colt McCoy. The guy has been a nice little player for them and would cost next to nothing in salary. What more do they want for a back-up? Puzzling. I wonder if this is about the whole concussion thing and the Steelers game last year.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 26, 2012, 09:51:39 PM
Berman verbalizing WHAT at the SF pick was hilarious.
Yeah I'm scratching my head by that one.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2012, 10:45:49 PM
An average RB is only as good as his line. A superstar RB produces regardless of the quality of his line.
But we do not really know that about Richardson right? We have never seen him run behind an outmatched line before. Now he is going to be running for the NFL equivalent of 2011 Ole Miss.
@katmai. He went a bit higher than expected but WR is their biggest need by far. I didn't think it was that bad a pick
No biggest need was RG, or depth on DL.
They signed Manningham and taking a flyer on Moss. with the depth at WR in draft they would have been better trading down like Ravens did when the Lineman they liked were already picked.
NFL draft round 1 picture analysis:
http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52641
So RatBirds fans? how do you like your pick?
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2012, 06:14:48 PM
So RatBirds fans? how do you like your pick?
It's a replacement of the Sergio Kindle draft fart. But they need the speed rush opposite Sizzle.
Stud backer.
I would've preferred a solid interior OLman or an impact WR, but In Ozzie We Trust. They'll get another 2nd rounder that should start someplace.
I like him. He seems very JJ-esque.
That was all Rapistburger needed, Mike Adams guarding his back. :glare:
The most annoying part about both ESPN and NFL Network covering the draft at the same time: I can't listen to Mel Kiper and Brian Billick at the same time. :(
I love me some Billick Analysis. THE DICHOTOMY OF THE DYNAMIC SYNERGIES INHERENT IN THE SCHEMA PROVIDES...
Ravens get....Who?
Forget about Kiper Seedy. The rest of the ESPN crew drag him down. Mayock is a douche, but the other NFLN guys are pretty solid.
Houston traded their second (#58) and seventh (#233) to the Bucs for a third (#68) and a fourth (#126).
Heh, Ratbirds draft another Oher; a college tackle better suited for guard.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 27, 2012, 08:04:13 PM
Forget about Kiper Seedy. The rest of the ESPN crew drag him down.
Yeah, every draft there's always one or two picks where they treat him like he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
Billick = The best.
Good work getting a lineman. He looks like a fucking roadgrader.
While Niners pick is hmmmm James from Oregon...interesting.
Berk's soul was just ripped out of his body. ASU's QB went before Foles and a Duck got picked.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2012, 08:11:08 PM
Berk's soul was just ripped out of his body. ASU's QB went before Foles and a Duck got picked.
:nelson:
Let's see if Polk the RB from UW gets picked ahead of Foles. Then he really will be miffed.
Quote from: Neil on April 27, 2012, 08:05:59 PM
Billick = The best.
Good work getting a lineman. He looks like a fucking roadgrader.
I would've preferred Konz from Wisconsin, but the Falcons have the same needs: a hole at guard, and center that's dead in dog years.
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2012, 08:09:31 PM
While Niners pick is hmmmm James from Oregon...interesting.
Higher than I expected for James. The 49ers backfield seems a little crowded for a 2nd round RB.
I just discovered that the Pats signed two former Ohio State Players. They are now: OFFICIALLY DEAD TO ME until they leave that cheating team.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2012, 08:25:59 PM
that cheating team.
They'll be right at home then. [/indignantsweatervesthypocrisy]
Nice. Posey to the Texans.
lol@Eisen and his reaction to the Jags 3rd round punter
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 27, 2012, 08:34:06 PM
lol@Eisen and his reaction to the Jags 3rd round punter
GIMME SOME PUNTING XS AND OS NOW
Quote from: sbr on April 27, 2012, 08:15:52 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2012, 08:09:31 PM
While Niners pick is hmmmm James from Oregon...interesting.
Higher than I expected for James. The 49ers backfield seems a little crowded for a 2nd round RB.
Yep still need an OG and some DL depth.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 27, 2012, 08:32:13 PM
Nice. Posey to the Texans.
You'll like him if he is motivated.
Was surprised to see two illinois players go first round. Merciless to Texas and Jenkins to the 49ers.
Russell Wilson's white girl: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2012, 08:42:22 PM
Russell Wilson's white girl: :thumbsup:
Hilarious listening to Chucky ready to strangle Kiper over his ZOMG HES NOT A 6'2" QUARTERBACK
Jesus. I didn't know Posey ran a 4.37 40.
Quote from: Ed AngerYou'll like him if he is motivated.
Motivated or not, if he can reliably catch a football, he's an upgrade over Jacoby Jones. Speaking of Stone Hands Jones, Schefter is saying the Texans are now shopping him around.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 27, 2012, 08:40:14 PM
Merciless to Texas
He's a beast. Texans have reloaded this week.
Wow the Texans just took a huge OG. 6'5" 343.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 27, 2012, 08:34:06 PM
lol@Eisen and his reaction to the Jags 3rd round punter
Yeah what the hell was that. I understand with Gabbert at QB you will get a lot of mileage out of a punter but I am sure they had another hole they could have filled there and got a punter later.
And the Colts draft a 2nd TE? :lol:
Seachickens get Russell Wilson in the 3rd. That is nice.
Wow, Ravens just traded up.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 27, 2012, 09:19:29 PM
Wow, Ravens just traded up.
Hmmm, I wonder if the Bengals just snaked Sanu out from under the Ravens, who traded up right behind them....:hmmm:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 27, 2012, 09:22:53 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 27, 2012, 09:19:29 PM
Wow, Ravens just traded up.
Hmmm, I wonder if the Bengals just snaked Sanu out from under the Ravens, who traded up right behind them....:hmmm:
Did you hear about the dick-headed prank someone pulled on him?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828aa527/article/mohamed-sanu-the-victim-of-cruel-draftday-prank?module=HP11_content_stream
QuoteMohamed Sanu thought he was a brand-new member of the Cincinnati Bengals. This wasn't a hunch or some inside info whispered into his ear by his agent. The Bengals called him.
Or so he thought.
In some of the weakest sauce ever concocted, the Rutgers wide receiver was the victim of a prank Thursday night. His phone rang, and a person identifying themselves as a Bengals official told him he was the 27th overall pick.
Sanu and his family exploded into celebration -- he was a first-round draft pick in the NFL. Then the Bengals selected Wisconsin guard Kevin Zeitler.
"This is a great kid, I guarantee you, and someone played a cruel joke on him," Sanu's agent, Mike McCartney, told SI.com's Peter King. "It is unreal that someone would do that, but it happened."
Sanu said he's fine and told McCartney whatever team actually drafts him will get a playmaker. A great attitude to have, but you can only imagine how much this prank must have hurt. Humanity fail.
Coincidence he ends up on the Bengals anyhoo?
Veddy interestink. Pierce from Temple. Sorta reminds me of Gary Anderson back in the day; tall, upright runner. Not as much of a slasher inside, but can move the hips to make people miss.
Quote from: sbr on April 27, 2012, 09:27:40 PM
Did you hear about the dick-headed prank someone pulled on him?
Coincidence he ends up on the Bengals anyhoo?
Yeah, man; that was pretty fucked up. I'm not sure if that's ever happened before.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 27, 2012, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 27, 2012, 09:27:40 PM
Did you hear about the dick-headed prank someone pulled on him?
Coincidence he ends up on the Bengals anyhoo?
Yeah, man; that was pretty fucked up. I'm not sure if that's ever happened before.
My daughter joked about prank calling a player last night when the draft was on. I laughed at her and told her that that would never happen. When I saw the story today I told her about it and now she feels guilty, like she had something to do with it.
LOL Kids and guilt.
Foles to the Eagles. That is a nice spot for him as long as Reid doesn't get fired this year.
And now the Colts draft a WR. They have no one on the roster to play in the front 7 of thier new 3-4 defense and they go QB-TE-TE-WR. At least Luck will have some weapons. :rolleyes:
Quote from: sbr on April 27, 2012, 09:53:29 PM
And now the Colts draft a WR. They have no one on the roster to play in the front 7 of thier new 3-4 defense and they go QB-TE-TE-WR. At least Luck will have some weapons. :rolleyes:
Yeah, but we've always known that the Colts were going to fail hard in the post-Manning era.
Quote from: Neil on April 27, 2012, 10:29:41 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 27, 2012, 09:53:29 PM
And now the Colts draft a WR. They have no one on the roster to play in the front 7 of thier new 3-4 defense and they go QB-TE-TE-WR. At least Luck will have some weapons. :rolleyes:
Yeah, but we've always known that the Colts were going to fail hard in the post-Manning era.
True. Sometimes it is hard to remember that some crappy organizations occasionally luck into an all-time QB which skews our perception of them.
See: Indianapolis and New England.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2012, 08:11:08 PM
Berk's soul was just ripped out of his body. ASU's QB went before Foles and a Duck got picked.
If my sould got ripped out everytime an ASU QB was drafted before and Arizona one, I would have about -65 souls right now.
I am just happy Arizona finally got one into the pros - here's to hoping he has a decent career...
Your Trent Dilfer piece of wisdom of the day: NO GOOFBALLS!
Lol Redskins draft another QB in 4th rd.
I'd laugh if the sex cannon wins the starting job.
Quote from: katmai on April 28, 2012, 11:47:20 AM
Lol Redskins draft another QB in 4th rd.
That is a weird one. I like Cousins but not after trading so much to get RGIII, the Skins gotta use the few picks they still have to get better arounf the new QB.
Quote from: sbr on April 28, 2012, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 28, 2012, 11:47:20 AM
Lol Redskins draft another QB in 4th rd.
That is a weird one. I like Cousins but not after trading so much to get RGIII, the Skins gotta use the few picks they still have to get better arounf the new QB.
Yeah, glad to see the Redskins haven't changed :lol:
Quote from: sbr on April 28, 2012, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 28, 2012, 11:47:20 AM
Lol Redskins draft another QB in 4th rd.
That is a weird one. I like Cousins but not after trading so much to get RGIII, the Skins gotta use the few picks they still have to get better arounf the new QB.
Shame, as I was actually rooting for Cousins.
Hey the Texans signed Case Keenum. Also some other UDFAs.
E: These guys so far:
Desmond Marrow, FS, Toledo
Jerrell Jackson, SAF, Missouri
Shawn Loiseau, LB, Merrimack
DJ Bryant, DE, James Madison
Case Keenum, QB, Houston
Logan Brock, TE, TCU
Mario Louis, WR, Grambling St
Nate Menkin, OT, Mary Hardin-Baylor
Davin Meggett, RB, Maryland
Cody White, OT, Illinois St
Is Dave Meggett's kid any good? I don't remember how he was in the one Maryland game I saw at the beginning of the season.
E2: Three more:
Jason Ford, RB, Illinois <---fullback?
Loni Fangupo, DT, BYU
Dwight Jones, WR, UNC
If anyone is wondering (not sure how that might be possible at this point) what makes Luck so special, take a look at this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19k4DPZhO98&hd=1
He does things that really should not be possible.
He's got a strong arm, and that's nice. Still, let's see how he does against NFL-level defenders.
Of the Ohio State UDFA's, the Brownies picked up Andrew Sweat and JB 'False Start' Shugarts. The Jags picked up Brewster (Shocked he wasn't picked by somebody. MCFLY! A CENTER! DUH!) and the Pats got Nate Ebner, a special teams guy that is a rugby nutball.
I think Farmer Fran does the Pats signings.
Edit: a correction on Nate Ebner
The Pats drafted Ebner didn't they?
Quote from: Berkut on April 28, 2012, 11:48:07 PM
If anyone is wondering (not sure how that might be possible at this point) what makes Luck so special, take a look at this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19k4DPZhO98&hd=1
He does things that really should not be possible.
Don't need to convince me, I know he's franchise. Football brain with a gun and wheels.
They just need to keep him upright for the first 3 years.
Quote from: sbr on April 29, 2012, 09:31:11 AM
The Pats drafted Ebner didn't they?
Huh, they did. Farmer Fran is doing the drafting too.
LULZ, Coach Harbaugh (the calm one, not the frenetic one), calls out the Pats (unfortunately, he doesn't call out the collaborator commissioner):
QuoteHarbaugh: Pats titles have asterisks
Baltimore Ravens coach John Harbaugh said Tuesday morning he thought the New England Patriots' three championships won under Bill Belichick "got asterisks now" and have been "stained" by the Spygate scandal that rocked the team in 2007.
Harbaugh made the comments in an interview on a Baltimore radio station. He was asked about the New Orleans Saints' recent bounty scandal and whether it was worth bending the rules if he thought he could get away with it, and Harbaugh brought up the Patriots' videotaping controversy in his response.
"In the end, everything is brought before the light of day, when it's all said and done," Harbaugh said on "98 Rock" in Baltimore. "What happens, even the thing in New England, no matter whether those things had any impact on whether they won their championships or not, they got asterisks now. It's been stained.
"To me, it's never worth it. You have to figure out ways to use the rules to your advantage, you have to figure out ways to make the most of everything. We have new work rules here as far as what we can do and what we can't do with our players, and we're going to make the most of it. What we're finding is, 'Man, maybe we can do some things even better than we did before, because these rules make us focus more on some things that we didn't focus on before. You just have to make them work for you. That's what success is in the world. You have to find a way to do things better than somebody else. But if you're cheating, in the end, you're going to get discredited. It's not worth it."
Harbaugh clarified his comments in a statement released by the Ravens on Tuesday afternoon.
"While on the 98 Rock show this morning to talk about the run to honor O.J. Brigance and raise funds for ALS research, I answered a question about playing within the rules and referred to the perception that the Super Bowl championships won by the Patriots and Saints have a stain. My reference was to the perception out there that came as the result of the league's actions," Harbaugh said in the statement.
"I could have been more clear that I was referring to those viewpoints. I totally believe that the Patriot and Saint coaches and players earned those championships. Bill (Belichick) and Sean (Payton) both know that."
On Sept. 9, 2007, a Patriots cameraman was caught illegally videotaping the New York Jets' sideline during a game at Giants Stadium. It mushroomed into a controversy that hovered over the Patriots during their historic 16-0 season in 2007. Ultimately, the league handed down severe sanctions, with Belichick receiving a $500,000 fine. The Patriots were fined $250,000 and were stripped of a first-round draft pick.
ESPN analyst Tedy Bruschi, who was a linebacker on all three of the Patriots' title teams in the early 2000s and was with the Patriots in 2007 when the Spygate scandal broke, said he was perplexed by Harbaugh's comments.
"You want to take a shot, go ahead and say it," Bruschi said on Tuesday's "SportsCenter." "When I look down at my hand and I see championship rings, I know how much work had to be put in to win those championships. I'm very set and secure with all of the victories that we had, the work we put in."
Bruschi also reminded Harbaugh that, in some ways, he has Belichick to thank for landing the head coaching job with the Ravens in 2007. According to reports, the Ravens did not have Harbaugh on their coaching radar until Belichick called the team and recommended they talk to Harbaugh, who was then a Philadelphia Eagles assistant.
"The shot at coach Belichick I don't understand," Bruschi said. "When coach Harbaugh was interviewing for the job in Baltimore, it was coach Belichick that vouched for him. There's a little bit of loyalty that coach Harbaugh needs to learn."
Harbaugh said in the statement released by the Ravens that he called Belichick and Bruschi on Tuesday after his comments started to make headlines.
"I have so much respect for Coach Belichick and the job he does and has accomplished in his Hall of Fame career," he said. "I called him to remind him of my respect for him. I also reached out to Tedy Bruschi, who rightfully defended those Patriot players and coaches on ESPN, to tell him that I agree with him that the Patriots earned every victory."
Until his Tuesday radio interview, Harbaugh has had nothing but respectful things to say about Belichick and the Patriots. He even came to the defense of the team earlier this year after his kicking consultant insinuated the Patriots might have been involved in a scoreboard malfunction that may or may not have contributed to the Ravens losing the 2012 AFC title game at Gillette Stadium.
Ravens kicker Billy Cundiff said he was rushed before hooking a 32-yard field goal, which would have tied the game with 11 seconds left in regulation, because he thought it was third down by looking at the scoreboard. It was actually fourth down.
"I don't think you can rule anything out in New England, can you?" the consultant, Randy Brown, said.
Soon after, Harbaugh squashed what could have been a blossoming controversy.
"We knew what the down and distance were on our last series," Harbaugh said. "The scoreboard was not a factor for us. Any suggestion that the wrong down information was a deliberate effort to affect the outcome of the game is nonsense."
The Patriots face the Ravens in Baltimore in Week 3 of the upcoming NFL season.
Of course Bruschi is going to talk smack back. Fucking monkey.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2012, 03:20:32 PM
LULZ, Coach Harbaugh (the calm one, not the frenetic one),
Are you dissing OUR guy. <_<
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2012, 03:23:19 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2012, 03:20:32 PM
LULZ, Coach Harbaugh (the calm one, not the frenetic one),
Are you dissing OUR guy. <_<
I love your guy. Especially when he assaults asshole coaches post-game. :D
He shouldn't have walked his comments back like he did. But hey, it was still enough to piss off Bruschi so well done in any case.
Jacoby Jones has been released.
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2012, 03:27:54 PM
He shouldn't have walked his comments back like he did. But hey, it was still enough to piss off Bruschi so well done in any case.
I dunno. If you say that the Patriots championships weren't legit, and Bruschi's heart explodes as a consequence, would you be charged with murder?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 01, 2012, 04:16:34 PM
Jacoby Jones has been released.
I wonder who will be in the market for a fast receiver who can't catch anything now that Al Davis is dead?
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2012, 03:27:54 PM
But hey, it was still enough to piss off Bruschi so well done in any case.
Bruschi looks like a child molester.
Dan wetzel just tweeted Vilma is suspended for the year. Danny.
Not all teams are evil, heartless and devoid of humanity. Like New England.
QuoteTAMPA, Fla. -- In a symbolic gesture, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers signed Rutgers defensive tackle Eric LeGrand, whose playing career was ended by a spinal cord injury, on Wednesday morning.
LeGrand played for Tampa Bay coach Greg Schiano at Rutgers. In a game Oct. 16, 2010, against Army, LeGrand suffered fractures of two vertebrae and a spinal cord injury.
Schiano called LeGrand's mother in New Jersey to let her know of his intention the night before breaking the news to his former player.
"I said, 'Are you serious? You want to do this?' He said: 'It's the least we could do,' " LeGrand said Wednesday during a conference call. "I said I don't even know what to say to you right now, coach. This is amazing.
"It's something I always dreamed about, go to the NFL and retire and become a sportscaster," LeGrand added. "Dreams do come true if you really believe. You do the right things in life, good things happen to you. He really just did this out of the kindness of his heart. It's really what he wanted to do. I had no idea this was going to happen."
LeGrand initially was told he would be a quadriplegic and would have to remain on a ventilator.
Five weeks later, LeGrand began breathing on his own. Later, he became able to stand upright with the aid of a metal frame.
LeGrand resumed his studies in spring 2011. He led the Scarlet Knights onto the field for an Oct. 29, 2011, game and has remained close with Schiano.
"Leading up to the draft, I couldn't help but think that this should've been Eric's draft class," Schiano said. "This small gesture is the least we could do to recognize his character, spirit and perseverance. The way Eric lives his life epitomizes what we are looking for in Buccaneer Men."
The Buccaneers also decided to make the signing May 2, to represent LeGrand's college number (52).
He put up a photo of a Tampa Bay helmet on his Twitter page, tweeting, "We ready!!!"
"It's a symbolic gesture. They can't give me any money with the salary cap and all that kind of stuff," LeGrand said in his conference call. "It's symbolic, something coach wanted to do and I appreciate that. It just shows the man that he is." LeGrand is planning to graduate this fall with a degree in labor studies.
I saw that too, nice move by the Bucs.
Dunno how I overlooked it, but I just now read that the Ravens took Bruce Gradkowski's "little" brother Gino in the 4th round. Does my heart good to see two Blue Hens on the same team :cry:
Is it over? Who gets to fuck that chick with all the hair?
Vilma of the Saints got a year
Hargrove of the Packers got 8 games
Will Smith of the Saints got 4 games
Scott Fujita of the Browns got 3 games
The penalties seem proportional to the level of stardom of the player.
Reports Junior Seau is dead. :(
Seau supposedly committed suicide.
More post concussion syndrome?
If only more Patriots players and fans would go that route.
Junior was a decent guy from few times I came into contact with him.
SBR reports are he shot himself in chest, leading people to wonder same thing as that was the route Dave Duerson took so his brain would be intact for concussion studies.
WTF. That sucks. I liked Seau.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 02, 2012, 12:08:16 PM
Is it over? Who gets to fuck that chick with all the hair?
:lol: This guy:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huliq.com%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Farticle_main%2Fnews_article%2Fimages%2FHarnish.jpeg&hash=a5cc562d85545a33cc48ef41eaef3d15ee7f91e3)
QB from Northern Illinois.
Sad to hear about Seau. Even though he played for teams I hated, he seemed like a decent enough guy, especially early in his career with all of his charity work. The suspensions are silly and waaaay too long, but I'm not surprised at all. Goodell continues his quest to be the biggest douche GM in the major sports in America, a tough battle to win. Also, awesome on Bruce's little big bro hitting the pros.
Unless Goodell manages to demolish the popularity of the NFL, I think that Bettman's crown is secure.
Yeah, the suspensions seem a little bit over the top, especially Vilma's. They're framing this as a player safety issue, but it's really a league rule issue with non-contract bonuses.
Quote from: katmai on May 02, 2012, 01:53:26 PM
Reports Junior Seau is dead. :(
:(
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/junior-seau-legendary-linebacker-dies-at-43/related/
QuoteJunior Seau's death further saddens his 1994 Chargers teammates
By Les Carpenter | Yahoo! Sports – 1 hour 11 minutes ago
Once again the phones started to ring, former San Diego Chargers from the franchise's lone Super Bowl team calling each other and digesting the news that another one of them was gone. With word that Junior Seau died Wednesday, the number of Chargers who played in the Super Bowl on Jan. 29, 1995, and are now dead, is eight.
Eight in 18 years; too many in too little time.
The subject is one I discussed, somewhat uncomfortably, with several of the former Chargers in 2008. This wasn't long after Chris Mims, their gregarious defensive end, was found dead in his Los Angeles apartment. Five had died back then. And that seemed like a lot.
I called a professor of actuarial science at the University of Wisconsin to see if she could put number on five men from a 53-man roster – all in their 20s and 30s – dying in so short a time. She said the odds were less than 1 percent.
"Is this a curse or something?" center Courtney Hall said then. "I just hope I'm not next."
On Wednesday, Hall sounded drained. Hours of phone calls with teammates had tired him. And there lingered that sense of confusion over how so many men who would be in their 40s, who seemed so vibrant, are no longer alive.
"I'm still kind of processing everything right now," Hall said. "I had more to say back [in 2008] than I do now. I really am at a loss for words."
The unsettling thing about the Chargers' deaths is their randomness. Five months after the Super Bowl, running back David Griggs died in a car accident on an off-ramp of the Florida Turnpike that was no more than 10 minutes from where the game had been played at Joe Robbie Stadium. The next year, running back Rodney Culver and his wife died on a ValuJet crash in the Florida Everglades, also not far from Miami. In 1998 linebacker Doug Miller was struck twice by lightning while camping in Colorado. Backup center Curtis Whitley died of a drug overdose in 2008 only months before Mims died from an enlarged heart and heart disease. Linebacker Lew Bush and defensive tackle Shawn Lee had fatal heart attacks last year.
And now Seau. The irony is that as a player he might have been the liveliest of them all – the first one to laugh, the one with the biggest smile, the biggest star – and to hear reports he had killed himself? It didn't make sense.
"The thing I related to everybody is that we are a brotherhood of those of us who played football," Hall said Wednesday. "We developed bonds and dealt with the same issues and the same ups and downs. For me, I've gotten to the point where I wish we as a group of elite athletes are able to reach out to each other more and are able to talk about what's going on in our lives."
Back in 2008, Hall talked about looking for some of his Chargers teammates. He found tight end Deems May on LinkedIn and asked the team for the phone numbers of other former players. Some of those may have been the same men he spoke with Wednesday.
Perhaps there's nothing anyone can do about a plane crash or someone getting hit by lightning twice, but so many of the other deaths seemed preventable. Tackle Stan Brock wondered in 2008 how Whitley could die alone in a trailer. "Where were his friends?" he asked. Mims suffered from weight problems and became depressed before his death. Lee was reported to have had weight and other health issues when he died.
Could phone calls have helped? Should they have been calling Seau and checking on him? Hall wonders. He said several of his teammates did too.
"In general we talked about getting together and reaching out to one another," he said. "I woke up this morning in pain [from old football injuries]. Everyone deals with everything differently."
He seemed to hope this latest bad news would bring them closer together.
Whenever players from the Super Bowl team talk about that season they always marvel at the magic they felt. They describe the locker-room camaraderie as the best they were ever around. Players stayed late at the practice facility. They ordered food. They arrived at the stadium early on home game days, throwing on their uniform pants and pads, then sitting in a room just off the stadium locker room playing Mortal Kombat and Madden NFL until they had to go onto the field for warmups.
It was a happy time. It was a wonderful time. It was the best time many of them ever had.
Then Wednesday they mourned another of them, the biggest name of them all.
And like with the others, it's too soon.
Wow.
RIP Junior.
Well, shit.
QuoteTerrell Suggs tears Achilles
Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs tore his Achilles tendon and likely will miss the 2012 season.
In texts to ESPN, Suggs said he suffered the injury Saturday, "running my condition test." He denied that the injury happened playing basketball, as some sources had told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Other sources had told Schefter that the injury happened during the conditioning test, as Suggs maintains.
Surgery is scheduled for next week, the sources said. The Ravens do not know if Suggs' Achilles tendon is partially or fully torn as their doctors have not seen the results of Suggs' MRI yet. The team is sending Suggs to see a specialist early next week to help make that determination.
Also, one source who has spoken with Suggs said he thinks he will be able to come back in October. However, the average return to the field by NFL players who have torn their Achilles is 11 months, according to a study presented at the American Academy Orthopedic Surgeons in 2006.
Suggs was named the NFL's Defensive Player of the Year after last season, in which he had 70 tackles, including 14 sacks, and was a threat all over the field from his hybrid linebacker-end position. He also forced seven fumbles and had two interceptions, helping the Ravens, which boasted the No. 3 overall defense, win the AFC North and advance to the AFC Championship Game.
Suggs was the only player last season to record at least five sacks, five passes defensed and five forced fumbles.
Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome told ESPN's Josina Anderson that the team found out about Suggs' injury earlier this week.
"We found out about it on Monday. He (Suggs) said he would be visiting with a specialist early next week," Newsome told ESPN.
A statement released by the Ravens said: "We are in contact with Terrell. He will see a specialist early next week and we'll know more at that time."
In his nine-year career, Suggs had only missed three games.
Replacing Suggs will be a challenge. The Ravens drafted former Alabama linebacker Courtney Upshaw but he is expected to replace outside linebacker Jarret Johnson, who signed with the San Diego Chargers. Candidates to take over Suggs' spot are Paul Kruger, Sergio Kindle and Michael McAdoo.
Yowch. Nothing wrong if it had occurred while playing basketball IMO. Gotta stay in shape during the off-season somehow.
The Bengals have their own basketball court in Paul Brown Stadium, though I've only seen it used for cheerleader practice and as a meeting place for all the cops on duty before home games.
Fuck. There is definitely going to be some adversity to overcome this year.
Quote from: Neil on May 03, 2012, 11:11:27 AM
Fuck. There is definitely going to be some adversity to overcome this year.
Yup. Their last, best shot was last season, falling right out of Lee Evans' mitts.
This year, the whole program's gonna take a step back.
Unless Flacco and the new offense goes total Curtis LeMay ape-shit and starts racking up 5 touchdowns a game, I simply don't see anything beyond a Wild Card one-and-done.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2012, 11:14:32 AM
Quote from: Neil on May 03, 2012, 11:11:27 AM
Fuck. There is definitely going to be some adversity to overcome this year.
Yup. Their last, best shot was last season, falling right out of Lee Evans' mitts.
This year, the whole program's gonna take a step back.
Unless Flacco and the new offense goes total Curtis LeMay ape-shit and starts racking up 5 touchdowns a game, I simply don't see anything beyond a Wild Card one-and-done.
Do you think that Cam would permit that sort of thing? That guy's always looking for an excuse to pump the brakes.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on May 02, 2012, 08:05:40 PM
Sad to hear about Seau. Even though he played for teams I hated, he seemed like a decent enough guy, especially early in his career with all of his charity work. The suspensions are silly and waaaay too long, but I'm not surprised at all. Goodell continues his quest to be the biggest douche GM in the major sports in America, a tough battle to win. Also, awesome on Bruce's little big bro hitting the pros.
Quote from: Neil on May 02, 2012, 08:12:30 PM
Unless Goodell manages to demolish the popularity of the NFL, I think that Bettman's crown is secure.
Yeah, the suspensions seem a little bit over the top, especially Vilma's. They're framing this as a player safety issue, but it's really a league rule issue with non-contract bonuses.
This isn't a league rules issue. It's a "what is the greatest financial threat to the NFL" issue and the greatest financial threat to the NFL is lawsuits from former players suing the NFL for not doing enough to keep them safe, within reason, while playing. There are currently more than 1,500 players who are suing the NFL in multiple lawsuits (http://www.wmur.com/sports/30997944/detail.html). If those lawsuits are successful the NFL is going to be on the hook for a lot of dollars. Team bounty programs fly in the face of all proper due diligence towards safety that the NFL could provide its players and Goodell is right to drop the hammer on them hard.
Meh. The players knew what they were getting into. It's a violent sport.
Every single lawyer must fucking hang.
Quote from: Neil on May 03, 2012, 11:26:38 AM
Do you think that Cam would permit that sort of thing? That guy's always looking for an excuse to pump the brakes.
I think Cam is on double-secret probation with Biscotti, similar to the way he put Billick on probation going into his 2nd to last season.
But there's a new card in the mix: Jim Caldwell as Assistant Coach/QB Coach. I think he's going to have a lot more swag with the offense than people think; particularly when it comes to Flacco, who is no Cam fan.
QuoteRavens can absorb loss of Terrell Suggs
By Jamison Hensley | ESPN.com
As soon as word spread about Terrell Suggs tearing his Achilles tendon, you could hear the collective cries from Ravens Nation. It's very easy to tear up the playoff tickets right now or want to hand over the AFC North title to the Steelers. But losing Suggs doesn't mean the Ravens should lose hope on the season.
There's no question that it will be difficult to replace Suggs, the reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year and career franchise leader in sacks, whether it's for the entire season or a good chunk of it. He was all over the field in 2011, becoming the only player last season to record at least five sacks, five passes defensed and five forced fumbles.
The Ravens, though, can overcome Suggs' absence. Why? Because they've done this before.
In 2010, safety Ed Reed spent the first six weeks on the physically unable to perform (PUP) list after offseason hip surgery. Baltimore went 4-2 without him.
Last season, linebacker Ray Lewis was sidelined for four games with a toe injury. The Ravens were 4-0 without Lewis, including victories over San Francisco and Cincinnati.
That's 8-2 when the Ravens didn't have two future Hall of Fame defenders in the lineup. There is an argument that playing without Suggs is different. Lewis and Reed aren't in the prime of their careers, and Suggs is just hitting his stride at age 29.
But there's another argument that Suggs wasn't the most valuable player on the Ravens last season, just the most timely one. Suggs recorded nine sacks and five forced fumbles in three games (season opener against Pittsburgh, Thanksgiving night against San Francisco and Dec. 11 game against Indianapolis). For the other 13 games, he managed the rather ordinary numbers of five sacks and two forced fumbles.
This isn't to minimize Suggs' talent. He always draws the most attention from offenses, which frees up his teammates to make plays. He's a tone-setter in terms of his emotional play. He's up there with the best pass-rushers in the game right now. Left tackles will sleep a lot better knowing Suggs won't be on the field for an extended period. But the statistics from last season show that the Ravens don't need Suggs to make plays in order for them to win.
The challenge is replacing Suggs' presence in the pass rush, especially this season. Look at the quarterbacks on Baltimore's schedule: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Michael Vick, Tony Romo, Carson Palmer and Matt Schaub. This is the season when the Ravens needed Suggs the most.
The Ravens need Paul Kruger (career-high five sacks last season) to continue his progression. They need Haloti Ngata (five sacks) to collapse the middle of the line. They need Pernell McPhee (six sacks) to avoid a sophomore slump. They need Sergio Kindle to get on the field. And they need first-round pick Courtney Upshaw (15.5 sacks past two seasons at Alabama) to make an immediate impact.
Baltimore is a stronger and more fearsome defense with Suggs chasing down quarterbacks. But the Ravens' defense won't flinch without him.
Amen. And as long as Ray Ray treads upon this earth, this team's defense will improvise, adapt and overcome. It's what they do.
Quote from: Neil on May 03, 2012, 11:52:52 AM
Meh. The players knew what they were getting into. It's a violent sport.
If the defensive players would stop leading with their fucking heads, a lot of these concussions would never have happened. That used to not be such a big issue. The league needs to step up fines for spearing and/or find other ways to discourage it.
Back in my glory days of junior high football, the 15 yard penalty was enough to make us too afraid to spear someone.
Stillers signed Troy Smith. I'm sorta shocked he got a backup job after the way he treated Singletary.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 03, 2012, 12:04:37 PM
Stillers signed Troy Smith. I'm sorta shocked he got a backup job after the way he treated Singletary.
I'm sure he'll get cut in camp. Batch is still a better player, and even then it doesn't matter since Roethlisberger will play no matter how crippled he is.
Quote from: Neil on May 03, 2012, 12:15:53 PM
I'm sure he'll get cut in camp. Batch is still a better player, and even then it doesn't matter since Roethlisberger will play no matter how crippled he is start limping and/or holding his arm whenever he has a bad game, and then proceed to whine to the media about how hurt he is.
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Quote from: derspiess on May 03, 2012, 12:20:58 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 03, 2012, 12:15:53 PM
I'm sure he'll get cut in camp. Batch is still a better player, and even then it doesn't matter since Roethlisberger will play no matter how crippled he is start limping and/or holding his arm whenever he has a bad game, and then proceed to whine to the media about how hurt he is.
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This. And then some.
Don't worry, Sergio Kindle will save the day.
Quote from: derspiess on May 03, 2012, 12:20:58 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 03, 2012, 12:15:53 PM
I'm sure he'll get cut in camp. Batch is still a better player, and even then it doesn't matter since Roethlisberger will play no matter how crippled he is start limping and/or holding his arm whenever he has a bad game, and then proceed to whine to the media about how hurt he is.
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It looked like his ankle was legitimately hurt in Cleveland. Then again, your theory has something to it. If he was legitimately damaged, then there's no way Tomlin could justify not taking him out, given what an investment he is.
Quote from: Valmy on May 03, 2012, 01:01:18 PM
Don't worry, Sergio Kindle will save the day.
Kruger will take care of business.
:nelson:
Wait for it!
:nelson:
Quote from: Neil on May 03, 2012, 11:52:52 AM
Meh. The players knew what they were getting into. It's a violent sport.
Every single lawyer must fucking hang.
Except they didn't. Nobody ever told them "play pro football and you have an excellent chance of developing postconcussive syndrome with symptoms that mimic alzheimers".
I think the NFL is going to be in a heap of trouble in the years to come as the science on concussions becomes more and more known. If the evidence continues to show that it's not even concussions themselves, but the repeated sub-concussive blows to the head that lead to these problems football could start to look as barbaric as dog fighting.
Hockey has similar problems, but at least it seems that if the league was serious they could take out anything that might cause blows to the head and still be the same sport. For the NFL to do so it would have to convert to touch football.
Quote from: Barrister on May 03, 2012, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 03, 2012, 11:52:52 AM
Meh. The players knew what they were getting into. It's a violent sport.
Every single lawyer must fucking hang.
Except they didn't. Nobody ever told them "play pro football and you have an excellent chance of developing postconcussive syndrome with symptoms that mimic alzheimers".
But they did know that they were shortening their lifespans through drug abuse.
Quote from: Barrister on May 03, 2012, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 03, 2012, 11:52:52 AM
Meh. The players knew what they were getting into. It's a violent sport.
Every single lawyer must fucking hang.
Except they didn't. Nobody ever told them "play pro football and you have an excellent chance of developing postconcussive syndrome with symptoms that mimic alzheimers".
I doubt any of them would have chosen differently had they been told that.
I still think Tomlin looks like Omar Epps. HEY, HE'S ON HOUSE.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 03, 2012, 05:29:56 PM
I still think Tomlin looks like Omar Epps. HEY, HE'S ON HOUSE.
They all look alike to you, don't they? :mad:
Quote from: katmai on May 03, 2012, 05:35:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 03, 2012, 05:29:56 PM
I still think Tomlin looks like Omar Epps. HEY, HE'S ON HOUSE.
They all look alike to you, don't they? :mad:
yes.
Quote from: Strix on May 03, 2012, 04:17:18 PM
:nelson:
Wait for it!
:nelson:
Don't worry, you'll get yours.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 03, 2012, 05:29:56 PM
I still think Tomlin looks like Omar Epps. HEY, HE'S ON HOUSE.
Welcome to 2007.
Just came across some pretty disturbing stats.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/bombers/players-slowly-killing-themselves-119235029.html
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Next we were shown that Time Magazine had produced a story about football called The Most Dangerous Game, and the author, Sean Gregory, concluded that, "Men between the ages of 30 and 49 have a one in a thousand chance of being diagnosed with dementia, Alzheimers, or another memory related disease. An NFL retiree has a one in fifty-three chance of receiving the same diagnosis." This was around the moment in Las Vegas where a collective 'thunk' was heard as all of our jaws hit the floor. These are not CFL statistics, but you would have to be pretty naive to think that these facts do not apply to our game as well.
By this point, morale was already at an all time low at Planet Hollywood, but then, if you can imagine, things got worse as we were shown the findings by Michael Glueck M.D. and Robert Cihak M.D. who wrote, "It is not a widely disseminated, downloaded or discussed fact that the average life expectancy for all pro football players, including all positions and backgrounds, is 55 years. Several insurance carriers say it is 51 years." According to this math, if I can live for another 19 years I will be beating the average! (Insert false enthusiasm here.)
Pretty old news for anyone who doesn't have their head in the sand.
Seau's family is going to allow his brain to be studied. Glad to hear it though I would be surprised if the results are anything unexpected, like no signs of cte.
Ravens signed Jacoby Jones. I guess they needed someone to drop a game winning pass now that Lee Evans is gone.
Quote from: sbr on May 08, 2012, 08:36:12 PM
Ravens signed Jacoby Jones. I guess they needed someone to drop a game winning pass now that Lee Evans is gone.
Dude, c'mon. I'm not even wearing a cup.
Hey good for Jacoby. I hope all he needs is a change of scenery.
The guy wasn't a douche or anything, he just dropped the football a lot at really bad times. Heh.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/65343/guest-column-surviving-life-after-the-nfl
No I'm not posting the article, up on my phone.
Vilma must be completely retarded.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/17/vilma-sues-goodell-for-defamation/related/
QuoteVilma sues Goodell for defamation
Posted by Mike Florio on May 17, 2012, 3:33 PM EDT
Jonathan Vilma Portrait Shoot Getty Images
Like so many other developments in the Saints' bounty drama, the latest one has arrived out of the blue, without warning.
During last Friday's PFT Live, lawyer Peter Ginsberg vaguely hinted at additional legal action that he may be taking on behalf of Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma. But there was no indication that Vilma would file a lawsuit against NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.
That's precisely what Vilma has done. It's Vilma v. Goodell, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana, the federal court that encompasses New Orleans.
As specified in paragraph 1 on the complaint, the claim is defamation, which means that Vilma contends Goodell lied about Vilma when making public statements about Vilma's role in the alleged bounty program.
What follows over the next 112 numbered paragraphs are a variety of specific allegations that, in short, claim the Commissioner has been untruthful about Vilma's involvement in the bounty program, and that Vilma never "pledged" and "never paid, or intended to pay" $10,000 or any amount of money as an incentive to knock Brett Favre or Kurt Warner out of 2009 playoff games, or any other player in any other game.
Curiously, Vilma never says that he never "offered" to pay $10,000 as an incentive to knock Brett Favre or Kurt Warner or anyone else out of any games. The use of the phrase "never paid, or intended to pay" copies the content of Vilma's May 2 statement, which seemed to dance around the possibility that Vilma, perhaps in the heat of the moment, made a hollow offer to pay the money as part of an exercise in standard pregame hyperbole.
Above all else, the lawsuit appears to be a mechanism for forcing the NFL to put the evidence against Vilma on the table. Since truth is an absolute defense to any defamation claim, Goodell can vindicate himself by offering up proof to support the statements he has made.