What do you say about this, Viking?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/currencies/from-iceland-with-love/article2356634/
Why not? Other failed states in the Balkans have used the German Mark in the past, and Bulgarian Leva is also 1:1 to the German Mark (and therefore 1.95583 to the Euro).
is there anything a country can do to stop another country from adopting their currency?
Quote from: HVC on March 03, 2012, 12:42:42 AM
is there anything a country can do to stop another country from adopting their currency?
No.
It's happened a few times. Several countries have adopted the US dollar, Kosovo adopted the Euro - all without the US or EU having much to say about it.
The thing is - if you adopt someone else's currency you lose all control over your monetary policy. That may be worth it - I understand why Iceland might look at using the loonie. But you lose any and all control.
Though I wonder if the Bank of Canada would be willing to mint specific Icelandic loonie coins. Probably - they'd be a huge hit in Gimli, Manitoba after all...
Quote from: HVC on March 03, 2012, 12:42:42 AM
is there anything a country can do to stop another country from adopting their currency?
As Barrister said: no. In the case of German Marks (later Euro) in places like Ex-Yugo it didn't even spark much public debate - it ran basically under "amusing footnotes" in the news, if at all. The economies involved were too small vs. Germany/EU to have any effect on the Mark/Euro issuing economy. There was no notable drain of funds that way.
Of course things might be different if a larger country took that step - Russia adopting Euro or USD? That would spark a few interesting summits. :lol:
Quote from: Barrister on March 03, 2012, 12:45:31 AM
Quote from: HVC on March 03, 2012, 12:42:42 AM
is there anything a country can do to stop another country from adopting their currency?
No.
Thermonuclear war sometimes works.
There has been a realisation within icelandic society that we cannot (either due to lack of skills due to smallness of country or due to our own arrogant pigheadedeness) run our own currency. In one sense this is a matter of currency exchange rates, the Króna is so small that any reasonably sized bank can tank the currency completely in speculation. In another sense it is desirable to gain a larger more stable currency to make investment and trade safer and more predictable.
Until now we've talked about joining the Euro, but the EU insists we join the EU and the Common Fishery Policy (which is a very very bad idea for iceland and if you want to know start a thread and I'll tell you in much detail and with much hatred of spaniards, basques, portugese and greeks).
We haven't really discussed the issue of taking up the Danish Krone (which we used up until 1918) or the Norwegian one (too heavily oil linked to be of any good to us). Our trading partners are the EU more than anything, they buy our fish (50% and more of our exports) so the Euro has been seen as the preferred option, but the EU membership is a bit of an ask.
What the Canadian speculation has that the others don't is that it seems that the Canadian government seems to be willing to regulate our banks and treat them as if they were canadian (e.g. lending them money from the central reserve).
If the final resolution to this is the Currency Union of the Republic of Iceland and the Dominion of Canada (run out of Ottawa) I'd be happy with that. My first choice remain the EU but that requires the destruction of the CFP and it's replacement with individual transferrable fisheries quotas for the entire EU.
(btw, when checking the official name of Canada i typed the first two letters of the country into my google search window and once I had got as far as "ca" googles first suggested option was "Cataphract"; ah google you know me only too well)
So this is more than just a unilateral decision of Iceland, it seems. I think Denmark should respond to another act of aggression from Canada.
Quote from: Viking on March 03, 2012, 03:17:18 AM
What the Canadian speculation has that the others don't is that it seems that the Canadian government seems to be willing to regulate our banks and treat them as if they were canadian (e.g. lending them money from the central reserve).
How would that work? our banks are pretty heavily regulated. would the the banks or iceland have to be chartered?
Quote from: Barrister on March 03, 2012, 12:45:31 AM
Quote from: HVC on March 03, 2012, 12:42:42 AM
is there anything a country can do to stop another country from adopting their currency?
No.
It's happened a few times. Several countries have adopted the US dollar, Kosovo adopted the Euro - all without the US or EU having much to say about it.
interesting.
Quote from: HVC on March 03, 2012, 03:32:51 AM
Quote from: Viking on March 03, 2012, 03:17:18 AM
What the Canadian speculation has that the others don't is that it seems that the Canadian government seems to be willing to regulate our banks and treat them as if they were canadian (e.g. lending them money from the central reserve).
How would that work? our banks are pretty heavily regulated. would the the banks or iceland have to be chartered?
Basically the individual icelandic banks would have to operate in precisely the same way and under the same laws a canadian banks. So, yes, they would have to be charterd and incorporated as canadian companies.
So, yes, this is a very large surrender of sovreignty and no a decision that should be taken lightly.
There are abundant cases of countries fixing their currency to another country's currency, but I can't think of another time when a country went whole hog and adopted a foreign currency as their sole legal tender.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 03, 2012, 04:40:20 AM
There are abundant cases of countries fixing their currency to another country's currency, but I can't think of another time when a country went whole hog and adopted a foreign currency as their sole legal tender.
Fixing a currency is merely a promise to support the value of your own currency relative to another by a central bank. If your currency is under the fixed rate your central bank spends hard currency to buy back it's own currency. If your currency is over the fixed rate your central bank prints money.
Bosnia adopted the DM and Kosovo adopted the Euro formally without joining the European Central Bank.
Iceland want's to join a currency and join a bank without joinin the EU (or Canada for that matter)
Edit: Fixed the Bosnia DM bit.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 03, 2012, 04:40:20 AM
There are abundant cases of countries fixing their currency to another country's currency, but I can't think of another time when a country went whole hog and adopted a foreign currency as their sole legal tender.
Ecuador and Panama both adopted the US$. Bosnia adopted the DM when it became independent.
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 03, 2012, 05:23:15 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 03, 2012, 04:40:20 AM
There are abundant cases of countries fixing their currency to another country's currency, but I can't think of another time when a country went whole hog and adopted a foreign currency as their sole legal tender.
Ecuador and Panama both adopted the US$. Bosnia adopted the DM when it became independent.
Correct, Bosnia adopted the DM not the Euro as I said above.
Yeah, there are three levels of this, it seems.
1. Fixing/pegging your currency to another currency. That's most common and just means a promise to support a given exchange rate.
2. Adopting another country's currency - a unilateral move, essentially you buy Euro or US$ in the open market and replace your own currency with it.
3. What Iceland is doing, which is more like a fiscal integration, including banking oversight. I don't think this is common at all - it's probably the first time I hear about it outside of stuff like EURO common currency.
Quote from: Martinus on March 03, 2012, 03:28:06 AM
So this is more than just a unilateral decision of Iceland, it seems. I think Denmark should respond to another act of aggression from Canada.
But is Iceland really worth it? I mean, it's no Hans Ø.
And so, relatively unnoticed, Canadian imperialism marches on.
Will no one save the world from this creeping menace? :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on March 03, 2012, 02:34:08 PM
And so, relatively unnoticed, Canadian imperialism marches on.
Will no one save the world from this creeping menace? :hmm:
100 years from now we'll have to deal with quebec and icelandic seperatists :P
Quote from: HVC on March 03, 2012, 03:49:48 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 03, 2012, 02:34:08 PM
And so, relatively unnoticed, Canadian imperialism marches on.
Will no one save the world from this creeping menace? :hmm:
100 years from now we'll have to deal with quebec and icelandic seperatists :P
All Hail Lýðveldið Ísland og Winnipeg!!!!!!!
Yeah, that was the leader of the Progress Party making an idiot of himself again. Usually these inanities don't make the international press, but in this particular instance it did.
Apparently he's drinking buddies with the Canadian ambassador, who may have let it slip over a pint that Iceland should adopt the loonie (surely as a jest) and due to a particular set of domestic political circumstances, the abovementioned idiot brought it up at a local party convention where it went nowhere, fast.
Quote from: Viking on March 03, 2012, 03:17:18 AM
If the final resolution to this is the Currency Union of the Republic of Iceland and the Dominion of Canada (run out of Ottawa) I'd be happy with that. My first choice remain the EU but that requires the destruction of the CFP and it's replacement with individual transferrable fisheries quotas for the entire EU.
Canada isn't a Dominion since 1982. If you are to use our currency with the face of Her Majesty on it and become our colony, better get your facts straight. ;)
Next on our list: Whiff the Danes away from our sovereign territory of Hans Island, and buy Turk and Caicos Islands.
Today Iceland, tomorrow the World!
I favour countries forming currency blocks based sole on the same initial letter of the alphabet, so Iceland's going to have to join Iran, Iraq, Indonesia and Israel.
Meanwhile Greece has to join German and, .. ok that's already happened.
Canada, China, Cambodia...
We'll take the UAE but that's a pass on Uzbekistan, Uganda and Ukraine.
I can live with the Seychelles, Sweden and Switzerland. Even Slovakia or Slovenia. Maybe Singapur. But Serbia, Sierra Leone, Surinam, Swaziland, South Africa, Sudan, Syria, Somalia. Ugh.
People keep mixing up Austria and Australia, anyways. We have plenty (Kosovo-)Albanians here already, too. Argentina is ok for Tango and Steaks. And I want to see Patagonia some time, anyways. Antigua/Barbuda is goof for vacations. Andorra? Who cares.
But then there's of course Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Algeria, Angola . . . :hmm:
Quote from: Iormlund on March 03, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
Serbia
I haven't met a Serb yet who isn't fun to talk to or go out drinking with. However, I would never trust them in matters of money and business. Interestingly, Serbs tend to say the same.
Quote from: Syt on March 04, 2012, 01:02:59 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on March 03, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
Serbia
I haven't met a Serb yet who isn't fun to talk to or go out drinking with. However, I would never trust them in matters of money and business. Interestingly, Serbs tend to say the same.
and serb women are hot... but crazy. oh so very, very crazy.
That is true.
On the other hand you have Slovakian chicks who tend to be hot, but girly-bitchy. In fact, my new colleague is a young Slovakian chick, very hot - she spent 10 years in Michigan, and now she seems to combine the worst aspects of young, candy-sweet American 20-somethings and Eastern materialist-consumerists.
Quote from: Drakken on March 03, 2012, 07:27:53 PM
Canada isn't a Dominion since 1982. If you are to use our currency with the face of Her Majesty on it and become our colony, better get your facts straight. ;)
Typically Canadian to be vague about stuff like that by not actually formally changing the name but rather just pretending that the long form name never existed.
Quote from: Viking on March 04, 2012, 04:40:10 AM
Quote from: Drakken on March 03, 2012, 07:27:53 PM
Canada isn't a Dominion since 1982. If you are to use our currency with the face of Her Majesty on it and become our colony, better get your facts straight. ;)
Typically Canadian to be vague about stuff like that by not actually formally changing the name but rather just pretending that the long form name never existed.
Sounds like someone needs a timeout from using our currency.
Quote from: Drakken on March 03, 2012, 07:27:53 PM
Canada isn't a Dominion since 1982. If you are to use our currency with the face of Her Majesty on it and become our colony, better get your facts straight. ;)
actually, it still is a Dominion. Well, the name is still
Dominion of Canada, because it's never been officially changed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Canada#Use_of_Canada_and_Dominion_of_Canada
Quote from: viper37 on March 04, 2012, 01:33:22 PM
Quote from: Drakken on March 03, 2012, 07:27:53 PM
Canada isn't a Dominion since 1982. If you are to use our currency with the face of Her Majesty on it and become our colony, better get your facts straight. ;)
actually, it still is a Dominion. Well, the name is still Dominion of Canada, because it's never been officially changed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Canada#Use_of_Canada_and_Dominion_of_Canada
Oh? Still?
Well, I remember once having to convince a Canadian that the Queen was Canada's head of state.
Although it's not really the Dominion of Canada, and republicans like viper who feel that the US has an example to offer us just like to get riled up about that sort of thing.
Without a particular legal relation to the UK, you're not a Dominion.
Quote from: Neil on March 04, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Without a particular legal relation to the UK, you're not a Dominion.
OK, so with the UK monarch also being monarch of canada....
Quote from: Viking on March 04, 2012, 02:43:40 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 04, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Without a particular legal relation to the UK, you're not a Dominion.
OK, so with the UK monarch also being monarch of canada....
She's Queen of Canada. Canada is no longer part of 'and the British Dominions beyond the Seas'
Quote from: Syt on March 04, 2012, 01:01:32 AMArgentina is ok for Tango and Steaks.
And women. Plus it's the only decent accent in whole Latinamerica.
Quote from: Neil on March 04, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Although it's not really the Dominion of Canada, and republicans like viper who feel that the US has an example to offer us just like to get riled up about that sort of thing.
Without a particular legal relation to the UK, you're not a Dominion.
Reminds me of my grandfather. He was called Oscar all his life. But his birth name was Edgar. Up until his death, to the government, he was Edgar.
So, unless you make it official, simply calling yourself "Canada" does not change anything, we're still in the (British) Dominion of Canada and your government truly wants to remind us at every turn that we're still a colony.
Quote from: viper37 on March 04, 2012, 01:33:22 PM
actually, it still is a Dominion. Well, the name is still Dominion of Canada, because it's never been officially changed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Canada#Use_of_Canada_and_Dominion_of_Canada
I'm not seeing how you get the name is still that. Article seems to suggest that you could potentially use that but no one would.
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2012, 03:35:19 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 04, 2012, 01:33:22 PM
actually, it still is a Dominion. Well, the name is still Dominion of Canada, because it's never been officially changed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Canada#Use_of_Canada_and_Dominion_of_Canada
I'm not seeing how you get the name is still that. Article seems to suggest that you could potentially use that but no one would.
viperism (vi-per-ism)
n. The state of being riled up about the inconsequential, particularly in relation to perceived slights to nationalism or republicanism. "Don't mind his rants, he's just suffering from an acute attack of viperism brought on by that portrait of the Queen".
;)
Quote from: viper37 on March 05, 2012, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 04, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Although it's not really the Dominion of Canada, and republicans like viper who feel that the US has an example to offer us just like to get riled up about that sort of thing.
Without a particular legal relation to the UK, you're not a Dominion.
Reminds me of my grandfather. He was called Oscar all his life. But his birth name was Edgar. Up until his death, to the government, he was Edgar.
So, unless you make it official, simply calling yourself "Canada" does not change anything, we're still in the (British) Dominion of Canada and your government truly wants to remind us at every turn that we're still a colony.
Terrible analogy, almost Martinus-esque. A 'domionion' isn't just a word, but a description of a particular political relationship to the UK.
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 05, 2012, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 04, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Although it's not really the Dominion of Canada, and republicans like viper who feel that the US has an example to offer us just like to get riled up about that sort of thing.
Without a particular legal relation to the UK, you're not a Dominion.
Reminds me of my grandfather. He was called Oscar all his life. But his birth name was Edgar. Up until his death, to the government, he was Edgar.
So, unless you make it official, simply calling yourself "Canada" does not change anything, we're still in the (British) Dominion of Canada and your government truly wants to remind us at every turn that we're still a colony.
Terrible analogy, almost Martinus-esque. A 'domionion' isn't just a word, but a description of a particular political relationship to the UK.
But it is also a term of oppression. :(
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2012, 03:58:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 05, 2012, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 04, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Although it's not really the Dominion of Canada, and republicans like viper who feel that the US has an example to offer us just like to get riled up about that sort of thing.
Without a particular legal relation to the UK, you're not a Dominion.
Reminds me of my grandfather. He was called Oscar all his life. But his birth name was Edgar. Up until his death, to the government, he was Edgar.
So, unless you make it official, simply calling yourself "Canada" does not change anything, we're still in the (British) Dominion of Canada and your government truly wants to remind us at every turn that we're still a colony.
Terrible analogy, almost Martinus-esque. A 'domionion' isn't just a word, but a description of a particular political relationship to the UK.
But it is also a term of oppression. :(
Not necessarily. You only see that because of your victim complex.
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2012, 03:58:22 PM
But it is also a term of oppression. :(
I was under the impression that Dominion status for Canada was Canada asserting control over it's own internal affairs taking that control away from Britain.
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 04:58:18 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2012, 03:58:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 05, 2012, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 04, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Although it's not really the Dominion of Canada, and republicans like viper who feel that the US has an example to offer us just like to get riled up about that sort of thing.
Without a particular legal relation to the UK, you're not a Dominion.
Reminds me of my grandfather. He was called Oscar all his life. But his birth name was Edgar. Up until his death, to the government, he was Edgar.
So, unless you make it official, simply calling yourself "Canada" does not change anything, we're still in the (British) Dominion of Canada and your government truly wants to remind us at every turn that we're still a colony.
Terrible analogy, almost Martinus-esque. A 'domionion' isn't just a word, but a description of a particular political relationship to the UK.
But it is also a term of oppression. :(
Not necessarily. You only see that because of your victim complex.
Or mocking viper. :hmm:
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2012, 03:35:19 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 04, 2012, 01:33:22 PM
actually, it still is a Dominion. Well, the name is still Dominion of Canada, because it's never been officially changed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Canada#Use_of_Canada_and_Dominion_of_Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Canada#Use_of_Canada_and_Dominion_of_Canada)
I'm not seeing how you get the name is still that. Article seems to suggest that you could potentially use that but no one would.
It's never been officially changed. No one use that, true, but it's still there. Officially. English Canadians like to cut their ties withouth really severing ties. See the Canadian "declaration of independance" posted by BB for a prime example ;)
Quote from: Malthus on March 05, 2012, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2012, 03:35:19 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 04, 2012, 01:33:22 PM
actually, it still is a Dominion. Well, the name is still Dominion of Canada, because it's never been officially changed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Canada#Use_of_Canada_and_Dominion_of_Canada
I'm not seeing how you get the name is still that. Article seems to suggest that you could potentially use that but no one would.
viperism (vi-per-ism) n. The state of being riled up about the inconsequential, particularly in relation to perceived slights to nationalism or republicanism. "Don't mind his rants, he's just suffering from an acute attack of viperism brought on by that portrait of the Queen".
;)
At the time of the Roman Empire, there were slaves who were really, really, really proud to be slaves.
Nowadays, you see similar devotion to foreign leaders, some people are just proud to be colonials, bowing to their masters in far away lands.
I just want Canada to be its own country, not the servant of some foreign leader put there simply by birth. I find it retarded, you find it prideful. To each is own.
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2012, 05:05:17 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 04:58:18 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2012, 03:58:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 05, 2012, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 04, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Although it's not really the Dominion of Canada, and republicans like viper who feel that the US has an example to offer us just like to get riled up about that sort of thing.
Without a particular legal relation to the UK, you're not a Dominion.
Reminds me of my grandfather. He was called Oscar all his life. But his birth name was Edgar. Up until his death, to the government, he was Edgar.
So, unless you make it official, simply calling yourself "Canada" does not change anything, we're still in the (British) Dominion of Canada and your government truly wants to remind us at every turn that we're still a colony.
Terrible analogy, almost Martinus-esque. A 'domionion' isn't just a word, but a description of a particular political relationship to the UK.
But it is also a term of oppression. :(
Not necessarily. You only see that because of your victim complex.
Or mocking viper. :hmm:
You're free to move to Canada any time :)
Our government gives you free Queen portrait once you become a subject of her majesty the Queen of England.
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 03:54:40 PM
A 'domionion' isn't just a word, but a description of a particular political relationship to the UK.
A dominion means you're an "independant colony".
"Defenders of the title Dominion—including monarchists who see signs of creeping republicanism in Canada—take comfort in the fact that the Constitution Act, 1982 does not mention and therefore does not remove the title, and that a constitutional amendment is required to change it.[33]"
I'd swear you wrote this in Wikipedia :P
Sorry, Viper but they are right. Your position is silly. It might mean something if Canada wasn't a real independent country, but that's not the case. If anything Canada's history of being a colony is one of the happier ones in the world.
Quote from: viper37 on March 05, 2012, 06:22:16 PM
You're free to move to Canada any time :)
Our government gives you free Queen portrait once you become a subject of her majesty the Queen of England.
There has not been a Queen of England in three hundred years.
Quote from: Valmy on March 05, 2012, 06:39:50 PM
There has not been a Queen of England in three hundred years.
type "Queen of England" in Google and see what's the first result ;)
Quote from: viper37 on March 05, 2012, 07:55:57 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 05, 2012, 06:39:50 PM
There has not been a Queen of England in three hundred years.
type "Queen of England" in Google and see what's the first result ;)
Not sure why you are making an appeal to the masses here.
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2012, 08:02:33 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 05, 2012, 07:55:57 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 05, 2012, 06:39:50 PM
There has not been a Queen of England in three hundred years.
type "Queen of England" in Google and see what's the first result ;)
Not sure why you are making an appeal to the masses here.
I don't care about the official title.
Quote from: viper37 on March 05, 2012, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2012, 08:02:33 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 05, 2012, 07:55:57 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 05, 2012, 06:39:50 PM
There has not been a Queen of England in three hundred years.
type "Queen of England" in Google and see what's the first result ;)
Not sure why you are making an appeal to the masses here.
I don't care about the official title.
:lol:
That's pretty funny.
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2012, 08:20:44 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 08:10:40 PM
:lol:
That's pretty funny.
That is rather odd.
Considering that the guy is worked up about a title whose officiality has been debatable for the last 30 years and whose use has been discouraged for over a half century, hearing that sort of thing makes you think that maybe viper might be crazy.
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 08:33:44 PM
Considering that the guy is worked up about a title whose officiality has been debatable for the last 30 years and whose use has been discouraged for over a half century, hearing that sort of thing makes you think that maybe viper might be crazy.
I am not worked up about "Dominion", you are as if it had any significance. I just pointed that we are still officially the Dominion of Canada, because it was never officially changed. The 1982 Constitution refers the the North American British Act wich clearly states "Dominion of Canada".
That does not change anything in my life.
But apparently, it does change a lot in yours as you're trying so hard to find non existing evidence that it's not the true name of the country. Even your fellow monarchists disagree with you.
If our queen was French viper would be ok with her :D
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 04:38:16 PM
If our queen was French viper would be ok with her :D
Or from Quebec.
"Let them eat poutine!" :ph34r:
Quote from: viper37 on March 06, 2012, 04:36:33 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 08:33:44 PM
Considering that the guy is worked up about a title whose officiality has been debatable for the last 30 years and whose use has been discouraged for over a half century, hearing that sort of thing makes you think that maybe viper might be crazy.
I am not worked up about "Dominion", you are as if it had any significance. I just pointed that we are still officially the Dominion of Canada, because it was never officially changed. The 1982 Constitution refers the the North American British Act wich clearly states "Dominion of Canada".
That does not change anything in my life.
But apparently, it does change a lot in yours as you're trying so hard to find non existing evidence that it's not the true name of the country. Even your fellow monarchists disagree with you.
It has been changed, through disuse. If you can find me an official Canadian document from recent years that actually refers to Canada as a Dominion, I'll concede that there might be a kernal of truth to your words.
Am I a monarchist?
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 04:38:16 PM
If our queen was French viper would be ok with her :D
If she was French, there'd abolotionist parties all accross English Canada.
Quote from: Neil on March 06, 2012, 05:06:39 PM
It has been changed, through disuse.
doesn't count.
Quote
Am I a monarchist?
you loath republicans. and nationalists. If you're not monarchist, you're playing one very well.
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
you loath republicans. and nationalists. If you're not monarchist, you're playing one very well.
Maybe he just hates tiresome people.
Quotedoesn't count.
Why does the official title of Canada count so much but the official title of Elizabeth Windsor counts not at all? :P
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 02:05:44 PM
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 04:38:16 PM
If our queen was French viper would be ok with her :D
If she was French, there'd abolotionist parties all accross English Canada.
If she was French, we'd be poor third-worlders, just like all of France's former colonies.
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 06, 2012, 05:06:39 PM
It has been changed, through disuse.
doesn't count.
Absolutely does.
QuoteQuoteAm I a monarchist?
you loath republicans. and nationalists. If you're not monarchist, you're playing one very well.
It's possible I just enjoy the status quo. And let's face it, both republicans and nationalists are rather dull, looking to hijack the greater good.
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 02:05:44 PM
Quote from: HVC on March 06, 2012, 04:38:16 PM
If our queen was French viper would be ok with her :D
If she was French, there'd abolotionist parties all accross English Canada.
You're not disagreeing with me :P. why are you such a anglophobe? :( :D
Quote from: Valmy on March 07, 2012, 02:30:45 PM
Why does the official title of Canada count so much but the official title of Elizabeth Windsor counts not at all? :P
don't know. Ask the people who jumped on me for my nitpick on the name.
Quote from: Neil on March 07, 2012, 02:30:55 PM
If she was French, we'd be poor third-worlders, just like all of France's former colonies.
Zimbabwe is such a prosperous country nowadays.
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 07, 2012, 02:30:55 PM
If she was French, we'd be poor third-worlders, just like all of France's former colonies.
Zimbabwe is such a prosperous country nowadays.
You realize you are going to lose on this right?
Quote from: garbon on March 07, 2012, 04:34:43 PM
You realize you are going to lose on this right?
It's easy to claim the British colonies did so much better when you only count occidental countries like Australia and Canada and systematically exclude the failures like Zimbabwe, or forget the Apartheid of South Africa.
I just don't see much difference between an ex-British colony in Africa and an ex-French colony in Africa.
And it's impossible to tell how Canada would have turned as a French colony.
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
I just don't see much difference between an ex-British colony in Africa and an ex-French colony in Africa.
Well then have I got a link for you!
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/03/the_post_colonial_hangover
The TL;DR version - present day Cameroon has parts that were formerly British, and parts that were formerly French. The British parts are doing noticeably better, although the article suggests it may be merely that the Brits were "less damaging" than the French - not that they were actually a net positive.
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
It's easy to claim the British colonies did so much better when you only count occidental countries like Australia and Canada and systematically exclude the failures like Zimbabwe, or forget the Apartheid of South Africa.
I just don't see much difference between an ex-British colony in Africa and an ex-French colony in Africa.
And it's impossible to tell how Canada would have turned as a French colony.
Actually it is easier than that. Where are the French equivalents of the US, Canada and Australia?
Quote from: viper37 on March 05, 2012, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2012, 05:05:17 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 04:58:18 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 05, 2012, 03:58:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 05, 2012, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 05, 2012, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 04, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Although it's not really the Dominion of Canada, and republicans like viper who feel that the US has an example to offer us just like to get riled up about that sort of thing.
Without a particular legal relation to the UK, you're not a Dominion.
Reminds me of my grandfather. He was called Oscar all his life. But his birth name was Edgar. Up until his death, to the government, he was Edgar.
So, unless you make it official, simply calling yourself "Canada" does not change anything, we're still in the (British) Dominion of Canada and your government truly wants to remind us at every turn that we're still a colony.
Terrible analogy, almost Martinus-esque. A 'domionion' isn't just a word, but a description of a particular political relationship to the UK.
But it is also a term of oppression. :(
Not necessarily. You only see that because of your victim complex.
Or mocking viper. :hmm:
You're free to move to Canada any time :)
Our government gives you free Queen portrait once you become a subject of her majesty the Queen of England.
A portrait of her when she was young and hot or old and wrinkly?
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 07, 2012, 04:34:43 PM
You realize you are going to lose on this right?
It's easy to claim the British colonies did so much better when you only count occidental countries like Australia and Canada and systematically exclude the failures like Zimbabwe, or forget the Apartheid of South Africa.
I just don't see much difference between an ex-British colony in Africa and an ex-French colony in Africa.
And it's impossible to tell how Canada would have turned as a French colony.
I was under the impression the French weren't all that interested in it. A few acres of snow and all that. Perhaps a more fruitful example would be the Caribbean where both French and Britain had colonies (as well as the Dutch and Spanish).
On the other hand,
Britain was more wealthy then France. Still is I think.
Quote from: garbon on March 07, 2012, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
It's easy to claim the British colonies did so much better when you only count occidental countries like Australia and Canada and systematically exclude the failures like Zimbabwe, or forget the Apartheid of South Africa.
I just don't see much difference between an ex-British colony in Africa and an ex-French colony in Africa.
And it's impossible to tell how Canada would have turned as a French colony.
Actually it is easier than that. Where are the French equivalents of the US, Canada and Australia?
Well, no. It's not that easy. Since the French equivalent of the US, Canada, and Australia was Quebec - which was captured by the English in 1756.
Which is why my article about Cameroon was interesting - it accounts for almost all other variables, and shows the English part of the colony had a better outcome.
Quote from: Barrister on March 07, 2012, 04:57:03 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
I just don't see much difference between an ex-British colony in Africa and an ex-French colony in Africa.
Well then have I got a link for you!
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/03/the_post_colonial_hangover
The TL;DR version - present day Cameroon has parts that were formerly British, and parts that were formerly French. The British parts are doing noticeably better, although the article suggests it may be merely that the Brits were "less damaging" than the French - not that they were actually a net positive.
Bumping for Viper.
Quote from: Barrister on March 07, 2012, 10:44:46 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 07, 2012, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
It's easy to claim the British colonies did so much better when you only count occidental countries like Australia and Canada and systematically exclude the failures like Zimbabwe, or forget the Apartheid of South Africa.
I just don't see much difference between an ex-British colony in Africa and an ex-French colony in Africa.
And it's impossible to tell how Canada would have turned as a French colony.
Actually it is easier than that. Where are the French equivalents of the US, Canada and Australia?
Well, no. It's not that easy. Since the French equivalent of the US, Canada, and Australia was Quebec - which was captured by the English in 1756.
Which is why my article about Cameroon was interesting - it accounts for almost all other variables, and shows the English part of the colony had a better outcome.
Well they had those little islands in the Caribbean. The US, Canada and Australia had a different dynamic then Cameroon or Nigeria or India. In the former case the native populations were essentially removed and was the country was resettled. Not so much for places like Burma or Vietnam.
Quote from: Barrister on March 07, 2012, 10:44:46 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 07, 2012, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
It's easy to claim the British colonies did so much better when you only count occidental countries like Australia and Canada and systematically exclude the failures like Zimbabwe, or forget the Apartheid of South Africa.
I just don't see much difference between an ex-British colony in Africa and an ex-French colony in Africa.
And it's impossible to tell how Canada would have turned as a French colony.
Actually it is easier than that. Where are the French equivalents of the US, Canada and Australia?
Well, no. It's not that easy. Since the French equivalent of the US, Canada, and Australia was Quebec - which was captured by the English in 1756.
Which is why my article about Cameroon was interesting - it accounts for almost all other variables, and shows the English part of the colony had a better outcome.
Have you gone viper? I'm not sure why it would make since to look at the 18th century - especially when colonialism was still in vogue then. If one looks at Quebec, its pretty clear it still has miles (kilometers?) to go to match Anglo Canada/US/Australia.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 07, 2012, 08:34:52 PM
A portrait of her when she was young and hot or old and wrinkly?
old and wrinkly. But it's worth a fortune in English Canada, they can never get enough :p
Quote from: garbon on March 08, 2012, 10:33:07 AM
If one looks at Quebec, its pretty clear it still has miles (kilometers?) to go to match Anglo Canada/US/Australia.
how so? By wich criterias do you determine that?
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2012, 09:27:48 AM
Quote from: Barrister on March 07, 2012, 04:57:03 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
I just don't see much difference between an ex-British colony in Africa and an ex-French colony in Africa.
Well then have I got a link for you!
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/03/the_post_colonial_hangover
The TL;DR version - present day Cameroon has parts that were formerly British, and parts that were formerly French. The British parts are doing noticeably better, although the article suggests it may be merely that the Brits were "less damaging" than the French - not that they were actually a net positive.
Bumping for Viper.
You want me to read a 55 pages document just for arguing on-line... ?
Gee, it'll take a while.
Quote from: viper37 on March 08, 2012, 02:12:52 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2012, 09:27:48 AM
Quote from: Barrister on March 07, 2012, 04:57:03 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 07, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
I just don't see much difference between an ex-British colony in Africa and an ex-French colony in Africa.
Well then have I got a link for you!
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/03/the_post_colonial_hangover
The TL;DR version - present day Cameroon has parts that were formerly British, and parts that were formerly French. The British parts are doing noticeably better, although the article suggests it may be merely that the Brits were "less damaging" than the French - not that they were actually a net positive.
Bumping for Viper.
You want me to read a 55 pages document just for arguing on-line... ?
Gee, it'll take a while.
Well, no - I didn't read the whole article.
But I did read the summary and thought it was very interesting. :)
Quote from: garbon on March 08, 2012, 10:33:07 AM
Have you gone viper? I'm not sure why it would make since to look at the 18th century - especially when colonialism was still in vogue then. If one looks at Quebec, its pretty clear it still has miles (kilometers?) to go to match Anglo Canada/US/Australia.
Alot less oil in Quebec for one.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 07, 2012, 08:34:52 PM
A portrait of her when she was young and hot or old and wrinkly?
Hot? :yeahright:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ficonicphotos.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F06%2Fqueen_elizabeth_ii_photographic_portrait_by_dorothy_wilding.jpg%3Fw%3D700&hash=135fad041c3781d39a16a4dc157fdd4991035c90)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffashion-era.com%2Fimages%2F1914-1950%2Fmargbrdsmd.jpg&hash=14cc4fd918e9dfbfbd0603fce52108e6095cb1d2)
Quote from: viper37 on March 08, 2012, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 07, 2012, 08:34:52 PM
A portrait of her when she was young and hot or old and wrinkly?
old and wrinkly. But it's worth a fortune in English Canada, they can never get enough :p
Would the situation be better of Canada had it's very own sitting queen all to itself?
They have Buddy from Kids in the Hall as their queen.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_V2GF7zO6_M8%2FS6t95SvdS2I%2FAAAAAAAAB6c%2Fs52UF1gxLIU%2Fs320%2Fscott-thompson.jpg&hash=6938455962a2b465b3e26339f45be1434fcb6faa)
There is my quota of Canadian content for this month Beeb.
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2012, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 07, 2012, 08:34:52 PM
A portrait of her when she was young and hot or old and wrinkly?
Hot? :yeahright:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ficonicphotos.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F06%2Fqueen_elizabeth_ii_photographic_portrait_by_dorothy_wilding.jpg%3Fw%3D700&hash=135fad041c3781d39a16a4dc157fdd4991035c90)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffashion-era.com%2Fimages%2F1914-1950%2Fmargbrdsmd.jpg&hash=14cc4fd918e9dfbfbd0603fce52108e6095cb1d2)
Eh, a coupla drinks and she'd be hot enough - even without the crown. :D
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2012, 05:07:35 PM
They have Buddy from Kids in the Hall as their queen.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_V2GF7zO6_M8%2FS6t95SvdS2I%2FAAAAAAAAB6c%2Fs52UF1gxLIU%2Fs320%2Fscott-thompson.jpg&hash=6938455962a2b465b3e26339f45be1434fcb6faa)
There is my quota of Canadian content for this month Beeb.
Didn't someone tell you? We increased your quote. You need to throw in at least one CBC Newsworld or CFL reference before the month is out.
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2012, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2012, 05:07:35 PM
They have Buddy from Kids in the Hall as their queen.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_V2GF7zO6_M8%2FS6t95SvdS2I%2FAAAAAAAAB6c%2Fs52UF1gxLIU%2Fs320%2Fscott-thompson.jpg&hash=6938455962a2b465b3e26339f45be1434fcb6faa)
There is my quota of Canadian content for this month Beeb.
Didn't someone tell you? We increased your quote. You need to throw in at least one CBC Newsworld or CFL reference before the month is out.
Evan Solomon is a douchebag.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2012, 05:29:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2012, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2012, 05:07:35 PM
There is my quota of Canadian content for this month Beeb.
Didn't someone tell you? We increased your quote. You need to throw in at least one CBC Newsworld or CFL reference before the month is out.
Evan Solomon is a douchebag.
That he is, my friend. That he is.
:hug:
I need to read MacLeans to refill my Canadian current events knowledge banks. But then I'd have to go to a homeless shelter library to find one.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2012, 05:34:40 PM
I need to read MacLeans to refill my Canadian current events knowledge banks. But then I'd have to go to a homeless shelter library to find one.
Why would an Ohio library or homeless shelter carry Macleans? Surely there can't be much interest in Jesusland about prime ministers, rouges and Boxing Day?
Quote from: Neil on March 08, 2012, 05:45:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2012, 05:34:40 PM
I need to read MacLeans to refill my Canadian current events knowledge banks. But then I'd have to go to a homeless shelter library to find one.
Why would an Ohio library or homeless shelter carry Macleans? Surely there can't be much interest in Jesusland about prime ministers, rouges and Boxing Day?
The Greene county library system carried in the 90's. Don't know about now, as libraries are full of bums taking shits in the water fountains. ITS A BIDET.
Can't you just send vagrants to work camps?
Quote from: Neil on March 08, 2012, 05:54:21 PM
Can't you just send vagrants to work camps?
I wish. :(
So to those who know anything about Icelandic politics - does this shit actually have legs, or is it just grandstanding of some kind?
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/15/iceland-canadian-loonie/ (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/15/iceland-canadian-loonie/)
QuoteIf Iceland adopts the loonie, Greenland could soon follow: economist
Tristin Hopper May 15, 2012 – 7:47 PM ET | Last Updated: May 15, 2012 7:48 PM ET
REUTERS/Mark Blinch; EMMANUEL DUNAND/AFP/Getty Images
REUTERS/Mark Blinch; EMMANUEL DUNAND/AFP/Getty Images
To restart an icy economy and free its citizens from strict Soviet-style money controls, all Iceland needs is a single planeload of Canadian dollars, a pair of Iceland economists told a packed Bay Street conference room Monday afternoon.
"It would fit nicely in a small plane, we just have to make sure it doesn't get lost on the way," said Heidar Gudjonsson, an investment manager and the chairman of Iceland's Centre for Social and Economic Research.
Mr. Gudjonsson, along with University of Iceland finance professor Ársæll Valfells, were in Toronto on Tuesday to make the first pitch to a Canadian audience on a unorthodox proposal to to pull the debt-ridden Nordic state from recession by abandoning the Icelandic krona for the Canadian dollar.
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Iceland was one of hardest hit by the 2008 financial collapse, rendering its currency effectively worthless. To prevent wealth from fleeing the country, Icelanders are on their fourth year of living under strict capital controls. International investment is banned, and when Mr. Gudjonsson left Reykjavik for Canada, he said he was only allowed to withdraw $2,570 for travel expenses. "The controls are stricter than they were in Eastern Europe under Communism," said Mr. Gudjonsson.
'If you look at it from a strategic perspective, instead of one country at the Arctic Council using the Canadian dollar, you'd have three'
Icelanders are united on the need to ditch the krona. However, the country's reigning Social Democrats want the Euro, while the opposition Progressive Party has been pushing for the Canadian dollar since last summer. As resource economies, Canada and Iceland's economic cycles are more likely to be in sync, loonie proponents argue. Also, Canada is home to about 200,000 people of Icelandic descent, more than anywhere else in the world. "I see that connection helping the public in Iceland accepting a new currency," said Mr. Gudjonsson.
So far, the loonie appears to be winning. A March Gallup poll showed public approval for the loonie easily pulling ahead of the U.S. dollar, the euro and the Norwegian krone.
The mechanics of the swap would be the easy part. A party of Icelanders officials would simply fly to a Canadian bank and arrange a $300-million withdrawal. The final pile of multicoloured bills — no larger than two photocopiers — would then be shipped across the North Atlantic and loaded into ATMs and bank vaults over a weekend. (While there is far more than $300-million in the Icelandic money system, the country currently only has $300-million worth of krona coins and bills in circulation.)
Short of imposing its own Iceland-style currency controls, the Bank of Canada has no choice in the matter. "We will do it unilaterally without asking," said Mr. Valfells. "It's better to ask for forgiveness than permission."
In the resource-rich Arctic, Mr. Gudjonsson said, a Canada-Iceland currency union could be the cornerstone of a Canadian-led polar juggernaut. With Iceland on the loonie, Greenland — which only recently declared independence from Denmark — could soon follow, he said.
'It would fit nicely in a small plane, we just have to make sure it doesn't get lost on the way'
"If you look at it from a strategic perspective, instead of one country at the Arctic Council using the Canadian dollar, you'd have three," Mr. Gudjonsson.
Canada would also stand to make a tidy profit through seigniorage, the revenue a government earns by selling coins and bills into the money system. Per year, Iceland's currency withdrawals could pull in "$15- to $20-million per year" for the Canadian government, said Mr. Gudjonsson.
I bet this is a Canadian plot to avenge Hans Island.
That's pretty cool.
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Per year, Iceland's currency withdrawals could pull in "$15- to $20-million per year" for the Canadian government
:P
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 16, 2012, 07:12:32 PM
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Per year, Iceland's currency withdrawals could pull in "$15- to $20-million per year" for the Canadian government
:P
It could cover Bev Oda's expense account each year.
I continue to wonder - would they use the same old bills and coins with the Queen and Prime Ministers they've never heard of, or would they print special Icelandic bills and coins (which are interchangeable with the regular Canadian bucks)?
Quote from: Barrister on May 16, 2012, 10:59:07 PM
I continue to wonder - would they use the same old bills and coins with the Queen and Prime Ministers they've never heard of, or would they print special Icelandic bills and coins (which are interchangeable with the regular Canadian bucks)?
School children in Korea know the Queen, I'm gonna guess that most folks in Iceland do too.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2012, 11:09:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 16, 2012, 10:59:07 PM
I continue to wonder - would they use the same old bills and coins with the Queen and Prime Ministers they've never heard of, or would they print special Icelandic bills and coins (which are interchangeable with the regular Canadian bucks)?
School children in Korea know the Queen, I'm gonna guess that most folks in Iceland do too.
But do they know Sir Robert Borden? Sir John A MacDonald?
Stop just making up goofy names :rolleyes:
Quote from: katmai on May 17, 2012, 12:10:00 AM
Stop just making up goofy names :rolleyes:
Damn ignorant Alaskans. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Barrister on May 17, 2012, 12:16:04 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 17, 2012, 12:10:00 AM
Stop just making up goofy names :rolleyes:
Damn ignorant Alaskans. :rolleyes:
Not my fault your puny insignificant commonwealth and Kingdom isn't worth learning. ^_^
Quote from: katmai on May 17, 2012, 12:10:00 AM
Stop just making up goofy names :rolleyes:
you don't know Sir John A MacDonald? He had a very famous farm.
:P
Once I went to the Sex Museum (I think it was) in Copenhagen and accidentally pulled out some Swedish kronor to pay the admission. The ticket girl looked at the money like it was a wet turd, and asked, with considerable condescension, "what is this?"
True story. :uffda:
My sex life belongs in a museum. :hmm:
Quote from: The Brain on May 17, 2012, 03:04:12 AM
My sex life belongs in a museum. :hmm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Phallological_Museum ?
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on May 17, 2012, 03:02:21 AM
Once I went to the Sex Museum (I think it was) in Copenhagen and accidentally pulled out some Swedish kronor to pay the admission. The ticket girl looked at the money like it was a wet turd, and asked, with considerable condescension, "what is this?"
True story. :uffda:
Takin' the piss that, they will accept norwegian bills (though not the coins) unlike the swedish monopoly money.
Quote from: Viking on May 17, 2012, 03:27:19 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 17, 2012, 03:04:12 AM
My sex life belongs in a museum. :hmm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Phallological_Museum ?
Icelanders...
Quote from: The Brain on May 17, 2012, 03:52:07 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 17, 2012, 03:27:19 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 17, 2012, 03:04:12 AM
My sex life belongs in a museum. :hmm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Phallological_Museum ?
Icelanders...
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_qUPhuU-_-1U%2FSO918ubL37I%2FAAAAAAAAALw%2FT-0ckNTQ_gE%2Fs400%2Fwhale%2Bpenis.bmp&hash=7c5d1e145712fddeabf151b539f7b876d572256e)
This one is average sized.