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Title: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Razgovory on January 31, 2012, 11:36:56 PM
Scenario:  Astronomers identify a small group of asteroid on a collision course with the Earth.  These are fairly large asteroids, likely to cause a KT level extinction event.  It's not clear
where they will land on the Earth, just that they will in about 10 years (ten years is a good round number and technology sin't likely to change significantly in this time frame).

Assuming that efforts to deflect the asteroids are unreliable (which is likely), what can governments around the world do to protect their citizens from this event and the aftermath?


I was thinking of enlarging existing caves and mines (ideally away from the ocean, and placing bunkers to protect the populace along with materials to build greenhouses and underground
nuclear power plants to power them.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Ideologue on January 31, 2012, 11:52:42 PM
Wait, is each asteroid a Chicxulub-sized impactor, or do all of them together form one K-T-sized impact?
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Neil on January 31, 2012, 11:57:44 PM
Launch a large artificial satellite into orbit of the impactor, which should alter its orbital characteristics over nine or ten years that it will miss.

It doesn't take much.  Angular momentum is conserved.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Josquius on February 01, 2012, 01:06:03 AM
Or just set off a nuke on the side of the thing, that should throw it quite a way off course and shouldn't require much special engineering.
With 10 years it can be deflected easily.

In a silly theoretical though...Not telling everyone would be the smartest move.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 01, 2012, 01:14:32 AM
Quote from: Neil on January 31, 2012, 11:57:44 PM
Launch a large artificial satellite into orbit of the impactor, which should alter its orbital characteristics over nine or ten years that it will miss.

Depends on if we launch it with imperial or metric calculations.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Tonitrus on February 01, 2012, 01:51:49 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 01, 2012, 01:14:32 AM
Quote from: Neil on January 31, 2012, 11:57:44 PM
Launch a large artificial satellite into orbit of the impactor, which should alter its orbital characteristics over nine or ten years that it will miss.

Depends on if we launch it with imperial or metric calculations.

Or let the Russian's launch it, so it can hit the asteroid on its way into the Pacific Ocean.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: 11B4V on February 01, 2012, 02:46:22 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 31, 2012, 11:36:56 PM
Scenario:  Astronomers identify a small group of asteroid on a collision course with the Earth.  These are fairly large asteroids, likely to cause a KT level extinction event.  It's not clear
where they will land on the Earth, just that they will in about 10 years (ten years is a good round number and technology sin't likely to change significantly in this time frame).


Eh, I'd be more concerned with Yellowstone blowing up.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Monoriu on February 01, 2012, 04:13:46 AM
Tell the Americans and let them figure out the rest. 
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 01, 2012, 04:15:00 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on February 01, 2012, 04:13:46 AM
Tell the Americans and let them figure out the rest.

You've been watching too many Hollywood movies.  :lol:
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Razgovory on February 01, 2012, 07:04:27 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 31, 2012, 11:52:42 PM
Wait, is each asteroid a Chicxulub-sized impactor, or do all of them together form one K-T-sized impact?

There is reason to believe that the Chicxulub impactor was not the only one.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Razgovory on February 01, 2012, 07:07:39 AM
Quote from: Neil on January 31, 2012, 11:57:44 PM
Launch a large artificial satellite into orbit of the impactor, which should alter its orbital characteristics over nine or ten years that it will miss.

It doesn't take much.  Angular momentum is conserved.

There is no capability to do that at this time.  At least one that is quick enough to reach asteroid in time.  The best you could do is 4-5 years (and that's really pushing it), and as I said, there is more then one.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Razgovory on February 01, 2012, 07:10:38 AM
Quote from: Tyr on February 01, 2012, 01:06:03 AM
Or just set off a nuke on the side of the thing, that should throw it quite a way off course and shouldn't require much special engineering.
With 10 years it can be deflected easily.

In a silly theoretical though...Not telling everyone would be the smartest move.

Funny thing about space, it takes a long time to get from one place to another.  If that small group of asteroids are going to take 10 years to get here, it'll take quite some time to send something to them.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Grey Fox on February 01, 2012, 08:19:28 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on February 01, 2012, 04:13:46 AM
Tell the Americans and let them figure out the rest.

China will foot the bill tho.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Neil on February 01, 2012, 08:37:54 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2012, 07:10:38 AM
Quote from: Tyr on February 01, 2012, 01:06:03 AM
Or just set off a nuke on the side of the thing, that should throw it quite a way off course and shouldn't require much special engineering.
With 10 years it can be deflected easily.

In a silly theoretical though...Not telling everyone would be the smartest move.

Funny thing about space, it takes a long time to get from one place to another.  If that small group of asteroids are going to take 10 years to get here, it'll take quite some time to send something to them.
Not at all.  It's not like the asteroid is 'coming right for us'.  These sorts of issues are intersecting orbit problems.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Razgovory on February 01, 2012, 08:45:48 AM
This one is.  There is nothing that says it can't be coming straight for us.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Neil on February 01, 2012, 08:48:09 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2012, 08:45:48 AM
This one is.  There is nothing that says it can't be coming straight for us.
Then it isn't going to be spotted ten years out, and even if it was it'd be too hard to model an impact, so your question is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Josquius on February 01, 2012, 08:49:33 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2012, 07:10:38 AM
Funny thing about space, it takes a long time to get from one place to another.  If that small group of asteroids are going to take 10 years to get here, it'll take quite some time to send something to them.

What Neil said.
And so what if there are only 4 years for its path to slowly change rather than 10. Space is big, Earth is small. That is more than enough time for courses to change enough.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Razgovory on February 01, 2012, 08:58:25 AM
What plan is ready to actually do what you are suggesting?
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Razgovory on February 01, 2012, 09:00:36 AM
Quote from: Neil on February 01, 2012, 08:48:09 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2012, 08:45:48 AM
This one is.  There is nothing that says it can't be coming straight for us.
Then it isn't going to be spotted ten years out, and even if it was it'd be too hard to model an impact, so your question is irrelevant.

Why not?
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Ed Anger on February 01, 2012, 09:03:12 AM
Okay. First, I'd organize a mass human sacrifice. Nerds, Geeks, Dweebs, Animetards and Geordies would be sacrificed to the god(s). Then I'd organize a mass orgy.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 01, 2012, 09:29:11 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 01, 2012, 09:03:12 AM
Okay. First, I'd organize a mass human sacrifice. Nerds, Geeks, Dweebs, Animetards and Geordies would be sacrificed to the god(s). Then I'd organize a mass orgy.

You forgot gingers.  For the mass sacrifice, not the orgy.  That would be just gross.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Ed Anger on February 01, 2012, 09:31:21 AM
I just don't get the red head hate. Especially from Brits. Considering they are genetic mess already, they don't have much room to talk about a little red hair.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: PDH on February 01, 2012, 09:32:51 AM
They wanted to cover all the hate bases.
Title: Re: Science speculation! Asteroid is going to hit Earth.
Post by: Neil on February 01, 2012, 09:37:13 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2012, 09:00:36 AM
Quote from: Neil on February 01, 2012, 08:48:09 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2012, 08:45:48 AM
This one is.  There is nothing that says it can't be coming straight for us.
Then it isn't going to be spotted ten years out, and even if it was it'd be too hard to model an impact, so your question is irrelevant.
Why not?
Because it's incredibly difficult to find such tiny objects in the outer solar system, even when you're actively looking for them.