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Title: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: mongers on January 20, 2012, 04:47:13 PM
Does your country have a national energy policy ?

If so what is it, if not should it have one ?


Looking into consumption of energy, and ignoring the usual shrill stuff about 'peak oil' on the web, there certainly some oddities out there, in amongst the more sensible stuff, like why does Germany have 43.5% of total world solar power installation, wouldn't it be more efficient if most of that were somewhere else, perhaps somewhere sunnier ??
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
Yes, we do.
It was conceived, written and executed by Haliburton, HAL on the Dow Jones , currently trading at $36.20 at today's close.
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: mongers on January 20, 2012, 05:16:20 PM
Right, also know as the 'Thelma & Louise' policy.
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: Neil on January 20, 2012, 05:30:15 PM
We had a National Energy Program, and it resulted in a fracture in the political landscape of Canada.
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: Scipio on January 20, 2012, 05:39:20 PM
[Jim Mora]Policy?  POLICY???[/Jim Mora]
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: derspiess on January 20, 2012, 05:52:18 PM
Do we need one?  If so, what should it be?  And would NEP be dictated by the Central Committee?
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: Valmy on January 20, 2012, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 20, 2012, 05:52:18 PM
Do we need one?  If so, what should it be?  And would NEP be dictated by the Central Committee?

Well we have one.  It is just half-hazard and not aimed at achieving any goal really.  Alot of our incentives are contradictory.  I would rather we scrap it and let it run organically or scrap it and put together a more efficient policy.
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: Scipio on January 20, 2012, 05:56:27 PM
I vote for a whole-hazard policy.  ALL RISK, ALL THE TIME!

Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2012, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 20, 2012, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 20, 2012, 05:52:18 PM
Do we need one?  If so, what should it be?  And would NEP be dictated by the Central Committee?

Well we have one.  It is just half-hazard and not aimed at achieving any goal really. 

It has a goal.  It's goal is increasing shareholder value.
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: mongers on January 20, 2012, 06:31:33 PM
Some stats for the mix, all figures 2010 :

US proven Oil reserves -  3700 million tonnes

R/P ration (res/production) - 11.3 years

US annual Oil production - 339.1 million tonnes

US annual Oil consumption - 850.0 million tonnes

Notional Oil imports - 510.9 million tonnes ( or 11.7 million barrels per day)


US Proven Gas reserves - 7.7 trillion cubic metres.

R/P ration (res/production) - 12.6 years

US annual Gas production - 556.8 million tonnes oil equiv.

US annual Gas consumption -  621.0 million tonnes oil equiv.

Nuclear - consumption - 192.2 million tonnes oil equiv.

(up around 5% over 2001)

Hydroelectricity - consumption  - 58.8 million tonnes oil equiv.

(in decline from mid 70s and mid/late 90s peaks of around 75 and 80 mill resp)

Other renewable - - consumption - 39.1 million tonnes oil equiv.

Biofuels production -  25. 351 million tonnes oil equiv.


US leads the world in geothermal energy production - 50% greater than the Philippines.

US has 6.3 % of total world installed solar PV capacity, ahead of Czech republic but behind Italy.

US has 20.2% of total world wind generation capacity, though Germany and Spain combined beat this by around 3-4%.

Edit:
forgot King Coal:

US proven Coal reserves - 23,7295 million tonnes

R/P ration (res/production) - 241 years !

US annual Coal production - 552.2 million tonnes oil equiv.
(broadly unchanged since late 80s)

US annual Coal consumption - 524.6 million tonnes oil equiv.
(slightly down from late 90s highs)
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2012, 06:41:26 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 20, 2012, 04:47:13 PM
Does your country have a national energy policy ?

If the question is does my country have policies on energy, the answer is duh, of course.

If the question is does my country publish a document entitled "US National Energy Policy," the answer is: who cares?

If the question is not a question but rather a preamble to your discourse on faulty energy policies, the response is that's not a very effective intro.
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: mongers on January 20, 2012, 06:45:47 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2012, 06:41:26 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 20, 2012, 04:47:13 PM
Does your country have a national energy policy ?

If the question is does my country have policies on energy, the answer is duh, of course.

If the question is does my country publish a document entitled "US National Energy Policy," the answer is: who cares?

If the question is not a question but rather a preamble to your discourse on faulty energy policies, the response is that's not a very effective intro.

So you're advocating sustained efforts to increase US agricultural waste biomass production.
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2012, 06:47:42 PM
Careful, Mongers!  He's armed with Exxon stock!
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2012, 06:50:46 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 20, 2012, 06:45:47 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 20, 2012, 06:41:26 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 20, 2012, 04:47:13 PM
Does your country have a national energy policy ?

If the question is does my country have policies on energy, the answer is duh, of course.

If the question is does my country publish a document entitled "US National Energy Policy," the answer is: who cares?

If the question is not a question but rather a preamble to your discourse on faulty energy policies, the response is that's not a very effective intro.

So you're advocating sustained efforts to increase US agricultural waste biomass production.

Why do you think Plato wrote the Bible? :unsure:
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: Ideologue on January 20, 2012, 06:50:58 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 20, 2012, 05:52:18 PM
Do we need one?  If so, what should it be?  And would NEP be dictated by the Central Committee?

Heh.
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: Ed Anger on January 20, 2012, 06:51:27 PM
Blow the mountains up and get to that sweet delicious coal.
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: Ideologue on January 20, 2012, 06:51:56 PM
Anyway, of course I have some ideas.
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: mongers on January 20, 2012, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 20, 2012, 06:51:27 PM
Blow the mountains up and get to that sweet delicious coal.

I see you're in favour of electric cars, very patriotic. :P
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: Ed Anger on January 20, 2012, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 20, 2012, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 20, 2012, 06:51:27 PM
Blow the mountains up and get to that sweet delicious coal.

I see you're in favour of electric cars, very patriotic. :P

The Prius is a joke.
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: mongers on January 20, 2012, 07:08:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 20, 2012, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 20, 2012, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 20, 2012, 06:51:27 PM
Blow the mountains up and get to that sweet delicious coal.

I see you're in favour of electric cars, very patriotic. :P

The Prius is a joke.

Yeah, but what you're advocating means without a meaningful energy strategy, cheap oil runs out within a half-generation and so Americans will have to adopt to alternative modes of transport, principally electric cars. 

ie during your lifetime the V6/V8 will all but die out in cars.   :P
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: Ed Anger on January 20, 2012, 07:10:40 PM
I'm advocating nothing. I just want to blow mountains up in Appalachia. I want to enrage environmentalists.

Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: mongers on January 20, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
Incidentally one other thing I noticed in these energy stats, during 2009 was the first year China overtook the US in primary energy consumption from all sources.

And in 2010 consumption as a percentage of world total is 20.3% and 19% for USA. 
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: mongers on January 20, 2012, 07:15:11 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 20, 2012, 07:10:40 PM
I'm advocating nothing. I just want to blow mountains up in Appalachia. I want to enrage environmentalists.

Oh I see, cutting off your nose to spit your face.  ;)
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: Ed Anger on January 20, 2012, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 20, 2012, 07:15:11 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 20, 2012, 07:10:40 PM
I'm advocating nothing. I just want to blow mountains up in Appalachia. I want to enrage environmentalists.

Oh I see, cutting off your nose to spit your face.  ;)

Having been there, there is nothing worth saving in there. Blow it up.
Title: Re: National Energy Policy ?
Post by: PRC on January 21, 2012, 12:25:05 AM
Canada's Energy Policy from a Globe & Mail Cartoon:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.victoriareview.com%2Fpolicy.jpg&hash=87efccc64bda33fb8528cd6026c8ab7b8091f134)