This started in another thread but I found it so amusing that I thought it deserved it's own thread.
QuoteLiberal denial is the tendency of liberals to conceal, deny or censor the truth for ideological reasons. A list of the top common instances of liberal denial are the following:
Liberals deny that human intelligence inevitably and demonstrably declines from generation to generation, and that if there were another 100 generations into the future the people would not be able to understand simple concepts.
Liberals deny the very real existence of fetal pain during abortion.
Liberals deny the very real existence of Hell. Jesus talked about Hell more than Heaven.
Liberals deny how they censor the Bible from their daily activities, and encourage the censorship for others too.
Liberals deny that Fidel Castro, who has not been seen in public since his intestinal surgery 3.5 years ago, is likely to be deceased.
Liberals deny the Nobel Prize is an award given by liberals to other liberals, and sometimes even granted in an awkward manner designed to punish a critic of liberal falsehoods.[1]
Liberals deny how they deify government officials, similar to how communists deified Stalin and Lenin and still deify Castro.[2]
Liberals deny how fellow travelers engage in deceit, or at least refuse to admit it.
Liberals deny they are liberal, and that most of the media are liberal.
Liberals deny that Hollywood values, professor values and general liberal values have consequences for those who believe in them, and also for innocent victims.
Liberals deny that they have censored prayer in public school.[3]
Liberals deny that a woman significantly reduces her risk of breast cancer by having children rather than abortions
Liberals deny that about half of promiscuous people carry sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), and those STDs cause infertility[4]
Liberals deny that the strident promoters of evolution generally have weaker credentials than advocates of intelligent design[5]
Liberals deny that College faculties at nearly every American school are completely dominated by liberals, and have virtually no conservatives
Liberals deny that Homosexuality shortens lifespan for a wide variety of reasons
Liberals deny that reducing the number of guns, which are primarily defensive weapons, results in an increase in crime
Liberals deny that the war in Iraq was needed and also deny that the surge has worked
Liberals deny that Hitler and the Nazi party were in fact Liberals (anti-Semitism is a well-documented characteristic of Liberal Christianity as is the PETA-like Green wing of the Third Reich[6])
More generally, liberals also deny:
That Obama ran the dirtiest campaign since Lyndon Johnson
That more than 80% of child molesters are pornography addicts
That people like young mass murderers who take atheistic beliefs to their logical conclusions are not "crazy" or "insane", but are true believers.
That young mass murderers fit the profile of public school-trained atheism
That the intellectual justification for Hitler's attempt to build a master Aryan race was the theory of evolution
That feminists censor discussion about differences between men and women, and boys and girls.
That Lawrence Summers was fired as President of Harvard for making a politically incorrect suggestion about women and math aptitude
That state run health care has lead to Islamic terrorism in Britain, and would do so in the US. [7]
That obesity is a bigger problem than hunger in the Western world
That a school having virtually no conservative teachers and many atheists and liberals is a liberal school
That liberals attempt to intimidate and ostracize conservatives, particularly in school environments and some occupations.[8]
That liberals support taxpayer-funded abortion
That girls and women in sports have debilitating ACL knee injuries at 3-4 times the rate of men,[9] and are vulnerable to other injuries[10]
That the numerous premature deaths of Hollywood stars are the result of Hollywood values[11]
That homeschoolers often do better than those who attend public school
That culture affects politics, and people's views and lifestyles
That successful democracy, both historically and logically, is the result of Protestant Christianity[12]
That Ronald Reagan's public exhortation, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall," helped cause the nearly 30-year-old Berlin Wall later be torn down
That gun control increases crime
That reducing tax rates stimulates the economy
That choosing abortion over childbirth increases the risk of breast cancer
That the mainstream media is biased
That privately-run transport is more efficient than government-run transport
That universal health care is inferior medical care
That unions interfere with employment opportunities
That liberal leaders engage in shocking wrongdoing, hypocrisy, and abuse of power[13]
That ideas do matter, and can cause great harm, including liberal falsehoods
That Islamic extremism is a threat to the Western civilization[14]
That banning same-sex marriage is analogous to banning polygamy
That aggressive interrogation is often the only way to obtain answers from terrorists
That the liberal ideology is pushed on unsuspecting others, particularly youngsters
That free trade strengthens global democracies
That a child in a mother's womb has rights established by the Constitution
That a vote for (yea) or a vote against (nea) is an absolute position
That you can be held accountable for the statements uttered
That climate forecasts 50 years from now are as inaccurate as 15 days from now
That politicians that proclaim 'Change' actually do not break with policies of the past
That removing Saddam Hussein from power was a good thing.
That eating meat and dairy is important for physical and mental health.
That marijuana use has lasting psychological effects.
That illegal immigrants contribute to crime and poverty in the towns and cities they occupy.
That English will cease being the language of the United States in 20 years unless it is protected as the official language (and that this would be a loss if it happened).
That President Bush didn't cause Hurricane Katrina.
That President Clinton was responsible for Rwanda inaction.
That the Democratic party discriminates against African-Americans.
That restricting free speech by the Fairness Doctrine is actually not fair nor democratic.
That we can drill oil our way out of high gas prices.
That we can't replace our dependence on oil with green technologies, when in fact we need both oil and green technologies to solve our energy crisis.
That opposing same-sex marriage is justified and point to decriminalized interracial marriage bans as proof.
That they are intolerant of opposing viewpoints and then try to stifle further discussion.
That socialism and liberalism have the same political agenda.
That God should have a place in government
That modern drilling methods result in minimal environmental impact, even if they were implemented in uninhabited lands such as the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
That companies like Exxon should pay billions of dollars in damages to the general public, in addition to the money they spend to clean up industrial accidents and to recompense those directly affected
That selective logging keeps forests healthier by reducing the risk of wildfire
That high food prices are not caused by ethanol production, but rather by the million acres of crop- and pastureland that have been taken out of production in the interest of wildlife conservation.
That the life of a human is more important than the life of an animal or plant.
That modern technology can make coal clean
That a fence is the most effective and ultimately, the most peaceful way to protect our large border from illegal immigrants trying to get in
That socially dangerous people exhibit a well-documented pattern of reading habits
That heavy metal music is generally anti-Christian and promotes themes such as drugs, sex and Satan worship.
The existence of God and Jesus, our Lord and Savior.
That they make sweeping generalizations about Conservatives.
That Wikipedia has a systematic bias.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal_denial
Is this some schizophrenic project?
Nice one, Raz. You got him in one. :lol:
Conservapedia makes me seethe with rage.
Then it makes me giggle at their improper use of the word liberal.
Jesus Christ, the strawmen factory must have run out of stock with that one.
I love their single argument about homosexuality.
Quote from: Tyr on January 18, 2012, 06:35:43 PM
Then it makes me giggle at their improper use of the word liberal.
They're half right in the sense that American liberals are social liberals. They're not liberals in the British sense because American liberals are not market liberals.
Quote from: Martinus on January 18, 2012, 06:53:58 PM
I love their single argument about homosexuality.
Your lifespan is shorter man. You gotta stop denying it.
Quote from: Valmy on January 18, 2012, 07:05:17 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 18, 2012, 06:53:58 PM
I love their single argument about homosexuality.
Your lifespan is shorter man. You gotta stop denying it.
That may very well be true. Gays have a higher rate of suicide then non-gays, and that may effect mortality statistics.
Quote from: citizen k on January 18, 2012, 06:57:18 PM
They're half right in the sense that American liberals are social liberals. They're not liberals in the British sense because American liberals are not market liberals.
I am not sure that list really describes anybody. But if the Nobel Prize is by Liberals for Liberals then I guess at least Norwegians are included in the definition.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 18, 2012, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 18, 2012, 07:05:17 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 18, 2012, 06:53:58 PM
I love their single argument about homosexuality.
Your lifespan is shorter man. You gotta stop denying it.
That may very well be true. Gays have a higher rate of suicide then non-gays, and that may effect mortality statistics.
This could be true for a number of reasons (suicide, stress, violence, disease). What I dont get is what they are trying to say. It's like saying "Don't be black. Black people are more likely to be jailed."
I'm not a conservative so I don't know what the hell they are getting at. Some things are true in sense, some are partly true, some are only true using some bizarre definition of words, some unverifiable, some are simply false, and some don't make any damn sense.
For instance
QuoteLiberals deny that human intelligence inevitably and demonstrably declines from generation to generation, and that if there were another 100 generations into the future the people would not be able to understand simple concepts.
I suppose this is true. Some Liberals probably do deny this. I had never heard of such a thing and it doesn't seem likely.
QuoteThat girls and women in sports have debilitating ACL knee injuries at 3-4 times the rate of men,[9] and are vulnerable to other injuries[10]
I never heard this, but don't deny it. I don't know what the point is though.
QuoteThat President Bush didn't cause Hurricane Katrina.
Huh? Liberals deny that President Bush didn't cause Hurricane Katrina? I'm confused here. So Liberals are claiming that President Bush didn't cause Hurricane Katrina. I guess that's true. Does this mean that he actually did?
QuoteThat companies like Exxon should pay billions of dollars in damages to the general public, in addition to the money they spend to clean up industrial accidents and to recompense those directly affected
Wait, liberals deny this one?
Quoteiberals deny that Hitler and the Nazi party were in fact Liberals (anti-Semitism is a well-documented characteristic of Liberal Christianity as is the PETA-like Green wing of the Third Reich
Wait, what?
QuoteThat state run health care has lead to Islamic terrorism in Britain, and would do so in the US
Okay, that's just silly.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 18, 2012, 08:03:57 PM
QuoteThat girls and women in sports have debilitating ACL knee injuries at 3-4 times the rate of men,[9] and are vulnerable to other injuries[10]
I never heard this, but don't deny it. I don't know what the point is though.
That girls should be home cooking and cleaning not playing sports because they are physically weaker.
Quote from: Josephus on January 18, 2012, 08:09:32 PM
That girls should be home cooking and cleaning
TESTIFY!
Well, women do suffer more ACL injuries, this I know from physical anthropology. It has to do with the tilt of the pelvis and how that affects gait and the set of the femur. However, missing here is that a certain trait (I think it is called "lateral notched femur") that seems to cause a high rate of ACL problems. Liberals and Conservatives both suffer from this sometimes.
I don't know. The list is so ridiculous that it seems it is written by "liberals" to smear the conservatives :hmm:
They've become a self-parody. But the site is legit. The guy who runs it is the son of former leading light in the Conservative moment. I even read her book. Something about how a shadowy cabal of European and American businesses were manipulating the Republican party. It was popular amongst Conservatives, though.
It's well known that Hitler was a member of the ALF. And a vegan.
That's why I asked if this list was some schizophrenic's project. It reads like that stuff about time cube.
Quote from: Martinus on January 18, 2012, 07:13:13 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 18, 2012, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 18, 2012, 07:05:17 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 18, 2012, 06:53:58 PM
I love their single argument about homosexuality.
Your lifespan is shorter man. You gotta stop denying it.
That may very well be true. Gays have a higher rate of suicide then non-gays, and that may effect mortality statistics.
This could be true for a number of reasons (suicide, stress, violence, disease). What I dont get is what they are trying to say. It's like saying "Don't be black. Black people are more likely to be jailed."
I am quite convinced that most of the loud homophobes are in fact gays in denial. Hence their views on it being a choice and their big emotions over the topic.
Quote from: Tamas on January 19, 2012, 02:59:28 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 18, 2012, 07:13:13 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 18, 2012, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 18, 2012, 07:05:17 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 18, 2012, 06:53:58 PM
I love their single argument about homosexuality.
Your lifespan is shorter man. You gotta stop denying it.
That may very well be true. Gays have a higher rate of suicide then non-gays, and that may effect mortality statistics.
This could be true for a number of reasons (suicide, stress, violence, disease). What I dont get is what they are trying to say. It's like saying "Don't be black. Black people are more likely to be jailed."
I am quite convinced that most of the loud homophobes are in fact gays in denial. Hence their views on it being a choice and their big emotions over the topic.
I, however, am open to the idea that self declared homophobes might; in fact; be homophobes rather than the much more likely closeted gay.
Quote from: Viking on January 19, 2012, 04:03:18 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 19, 2012, 02:59:28 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 18, 2012, 07:13:13 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 18, 2012, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 18, 2012, 07:05:17 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 18, 2012, 06:53:58 PM
I love their single argument about homosexuality.
Your lifespan is shorter man. You gotta stop denying it.
That may very well be true. Gays have a higher rate of suicide then non-gays, and that may effect mortality statistics.
This could be true for a number of reasons (suicide, stress, violence, disease). What I dont get is what they are trying to say. It's like saying "Don't be black. Black people are more likely to be jailed."
I am quite convinced that most of the loud homophobes are in fact gays in denial. Hence their views on it being a choice and their big emotions over the topic.
I, however, am open to the idea that self declared homophobes might; in fact; be homophobes rather than the much more likely closeted gay.
No, I am pretty sure Neil is gay.
I've now viewed a few pages of Conservapedia. I sincerely hope that this is a one-man crusade, and does not represent the views of any material segment of the US population.
I checked out Mitt Romney's article on Conservapedia. Nothing about the 2012 campaign.
Quote from: Viking on January 19, 2012, 04:28:11 AM
I checked out Mitt Romney's article on Conservapedia. Nothing about the 2012 campaign.
So it's a full coverage?
Quote from: Monoriu on January 19, 2012, 04:16:09 AM
I've now viewed a few pages of Conservapedia. I sincerely hope that this is a one-man crusade, and does not represent the views of any material segment of the US population.
Well...it does but in a very over-the-top way. Like he takes their worst qualities and accentuates them to absurd levels.
Quote from: Tamas on January 19, 2012, 04:10:43 AM
Quote from: Viking on January 19, 2012, 04:03:18 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 19, 2012, 02:59:28 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 18, 2012, 07:13:13 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 18, 2012, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 18, 2012, 07:05:17 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 18, 2012, 06:53:58 PM
I love their single argument about homosexuality.
Your lifespan is shorter man. You gotta stop denying it.
That may very well be true. Gays have a higher rate of suicide then non-gays, and that may effect mortality statistics.
This could be true for a number of reasons (suicide, stress, violence, disease). What I dont get is what they are trying to say. It's like saying "Don't be black. Black people are more likely to be jailed."
I am quite convinced that most of the loud homophobes are in fact gays in denial. Hence their views on it being a choice and their big emotions over the topic.
I, however, am open to the idea that self declared homophobes might; in fact; be homophobes rather than the much more likely closeted gay.
No, I am pretty sure Neil is gay.
I'm going to laugh when Orban takes all your money. Again.
Quote from: Valmy on January 19, 2012, 09:04:26 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 19, 2012, 04:16:09 AM
I've now viewed a few pages of Conservapedia. I sincerely hope that this is a one-man crusade, and does not represent the views of any material segment of the US population.
Well...it does but in a very over-the-top way. Like he takes their worst qualities and accentuates them to absurd levels.
I think when you collect a lot of conservative beliefs together like this it makes them look absurd. The fringe and the base have been merging in the GOP. The Dems had this problem from the late 1960's till the 1980's. Since the Clinton Presidency the Fringe and Base in the Democratic party have been shifting away from one another. Buckley would never have let this kinda bullshit go on. He worked hard to keep these kind of nuts out of the Conservative movement. Now he's dead, and you have John Birch Society cosponsoring CPAC.
Quote from: Tamas on January 19, 2012, 04:28:36 AM
Quote from: Viking on January 19, 2012, 04:28:11 AM
I checked out Mitt Romney's article on Conservapedia. Nothing about the 2012 campaign.
So it's a full coverage?
:D
QuoteThat state run health care has lead to Islamic terrorism in Britain, and would do so in the US.
:tinfoil:
QuoteThat opposing same-sex marriage is justified and point to decriminalized interracial marriage bans as proof.
:unsure:
Quote from: fahdiz on January 19, 2012, 01:19:30 PM
QuoteThat opposing same-sex marriage is justified and point to decriminalized interracial marriage bans as proof.
:unsure:
You have to remember to put the words "Liberals deny" in front of it. It doesn't make it true, but sentence makes a bit more sense.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 19, 2012, 01:42:44 PM
You have to remember to put the words "Liberals deny" in front of it. It doesn't make it true, but sentence makes a bit more sense.
My :unsure: was about why the author of this statement would even bring interracial marriage into it. Wouldn't it have been a lot less leading - and a lot less racist-seeming - to simply say "Liberals deny that opposing same-sex marriage is justified"?
Quote from: Syt on January 19, 2012, 12:56:34 PM
QuoteThat state run health care has lead to Islamic terrorism in Britain, and would do so in the US.
:tinfoil:
State run health care kills people as well IIRC.
Quote from: Valmy on January 19, 2012, 01:45:42 PM
Quote from: Syt on January 19, 2012, 12:56:34 PM
QuoteThat state run health care has lead to Islamic terrorism in Britain, and would do so in the US.
:tinfoil:
State run health care kills people as well IIRC.
Death panels :wub: :wub:
I'd like to see the reasoning behind that. I assume it's got something to do with the Scotland airport incident?
Quote from: fahdiz on January 19, 2012, 01:45:15 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 19, 2012, 01:42:44 PM
You have to remember to put the words "Liberals deny" in front of it. It doesn't make it true, but sentence makes a bit more sense.
My :unsure: was about why the author of this statement would even bring interracial marriage into it. Wouldn't it have been a lot less leading - and a lot less racist-seeming - to simply say "Liberals deny that opposing same-sex marriage is justified"?
I think it's just awkwardly worded. The meaning, as I take it, is "Liberals believe that banning same-sex marriage is morally analogous, and just as morally wrong, as banning miscegenation; we all agree that interracial marriage bans are evil (
of course we do why would you believe otherwise you liberal scum?), but they are totally different things!"
Quote from: Ideologue on January 19, 2012, 03:11:31 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on January 19, 2012, 01:45:15 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 19, 2012, 01:42:44 PM
You have to remember to put the words "Liberals deny" in front of it. It doesn't make it true, but sentence makes a bit more sense.
My :unsure: was about why the author of this statement would even bring interracial marriage into it. Wouldn't it have been a lot less leading - and a lot less racist-seeming - to simply say "Liberals deny that opposing same-sex marriage is justified"?
I think it's just awkwardly worded. The meaning, as I take it, is "Liberals believe that banning same-sex marriage is morally analogous, and just as morally wrong, as banning miscegenation; we all agree that interracial marriage bans are evil (of course we do why would you believe otherwise you liberal scum?), but they are totally different things!"
Of course they are not analogous. You can't have mixed race mongrels born out of gay marriages so there's no compelling reason to ban them. :unsure:
Quote from: Tamas on January 19, 2012, 04:28:36 AM
Quote from: Viking on January 19, 2012, 04:28:11 AM
I checked out Mitt Romney's article on Conservapedia. Nothing about the 2012 campaign.
So it's a full coverage?
I suppose Andy Schlafly is too busy teaching high school and is waiting until Romney wins (or not) to declare him a true conservative (or not) when it comes to removing Obama.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 19, 2012, 03:11:31 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on January 19, 2012, 01:45:15 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 19, 2012, 01:42:44 PM
You have to remember to put the words "Liberals deny" in front of it. It doesn't make it true, but sentence makes a bit more sense.
My :unsure: was about why the author of this statement would even bring interracial marriage into it. Wouldn't it have been a lot less leading - and a lot less racist-seeming - to simply say "Liberals deny that opposing same-sex marriage is justified"?
I think it's just awkwardly worded. The meaning, as I take it, is "Liberals believe that banning same-sex marriage is morally analogous, and just as morally wrong, as banning miscegenation; we all agree that interracial marriage bans are evil (of course we do why would you believe otherwise you liberal scum?), but they are totally different things!"
This was my guess, but I could be off base. The one about George Bush and Hurricane Katrina is so badly worded that I think it means the opposite of what they meant it to say.
Heh, "Conservapedia" is just in the same anti-social, pseudo-intellectual vein as any hardcore racist website. Fucks like him are opposed to the liberating fruits of human progress of the past, oh, 350 years of human history.