I should have posted this in Tim's "Worst prose" thread :D
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055529/Moment-police-gunned-runaway-cows-escaped-way-slaughterhouse.html
Tigers and bears sure. Hell, I'll even grant you wildebeest and the like, but domestic cattle? You definitely don't need lethal force when you run into one.
I wonder what it's like to shoot down a stupid grazing animal with all the power provided by a hundred billion humans concentrated in your hands. Does it make one feel special?
Why can't they get their meat from the supermarket, where no animals were harmed to produce it?
Was that cop trying to pull over the cow at 0:33 mark?
Quote from: Ideologue on October 31, 2011, 07:22:21 PM
I wonder what it's like to shoot down a stupid grazing animal with all the power provided by a hundred billion humans concentrated in your hands. Does it make one feel special?
Where was this? The UK?
Those guys never killed anyone.
This was probably their high point, their apex.
Quote from: Ideologue on October 31, 2011, 07:22:21 PM
I wonder what it's like to shoot down a stupid grazing animal with all the power provided by a hundred billion humans concentrated in your hands. Does it make one feel special?
yes.
Hey, its not like you get a chance to actually shoot something all that often. Gotta take it when it presents itself.
Is this some kind of urban area? Law enforcement doesn't know how to deal with escaped livestock? As far as I could tell they put ten bullets into a cow. Not a bull, a cow. I thought the cops made the right choice in Ohio where they had to put down all those escaped lions and bears and wolves. This this is just incompetence.
Did they think that the sirens, lights and brandished weapons were going to impress the cow?
Cops shoot deer all the time. Fuckers will go through your front window and the only real way to deal with them is to start blastin'.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 31, 2011, 09:10:22 PM
Cops shoot deer all the time. Fuckers will go through your front window and the only real way to deal with them is to start blastin'.
Nobody owns the deer though. Somebody owned that cow. It's be like if the police shot up my monitor because they thought one of the flying toasters on the screen saver was coming at him. I'd be pretty pissed. They knew where the cow was. It's not like was going to get away. Live stock escape all the time. It's not that hard to gather them back up. If they were going to bring the cow down, at least bring a rifle. It's pretty clear the pistol was insufficient.
I'd still form a kampfgruppe and counterattack any cow incursions.
Ah, Qc policemen. Cream of the crop.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 31, 2011, 09:10:22 PM
Cops shoot deer all the time. Fuckers will go through your front window and the only real way to deal with them is to start blastin'.
Yea, but if you have the animal immobilized, or if you can approach it. You can put it down with a single shot, even from a sidearm. Emptying your magazine at it and only wounding it is just ignorant.
A cow got loose on a busy bridge in Rhode Island last week, and the cops were able to capture it no problem. Rhode Island isn't exactly cow country.
Police are people too. Many of them are no doubt dicks who just want to spice up their work life.
OK this is a bit ridiculous. Did they believe the cows were on PCP or something?
Quote from: Maximus on October 31, 2011, 09:43:48 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 31, 2011, 09:10:22 PM
Cops shoot deer all the time. Fuckers will go through your front window and the only real way to deal with them is to start blastin'.
Yea, but if you have the animal immobilized, or if you can approach it. You can put it down with a single shot, even from a sidearm. Emptying your magazine at it and only wounding it is just ignorant.
It was going for its gun.
Quote from: DGuller on October 31, 2011, 08:16:01 PM
Was that cop trying to pull over the cow at 0:33 mark?
I assume there was someone outside the field of the camera. I can't imagine the cop being so stupid as to use a siren when the animals are already excited.
Quote from: viper37 on November 01, 2011, 10:12:42 AM
Quote from: DGuller on October 31, 2011, 08:16:01 PM
Was that cop trying to pull over the cow at 0:33 mark?
I assume there was someone outside the field of the camera. I can't imagine the cop being so stupid as to use a siren when the animals are already excited.
True, but then I can't imagine a cop being so stupid as to shoot a cow dead, either. ;)
Quote from: Razgovory on October 31, 2011, 09:19:40 PM
Nobody owns the deer though. Somebody owned that cow. It's be like if the police shot up my monitor because they thought one of the flying toasters on the screen saver was coming at him. I'd be pretty pissed. They knew where the cow was. It's not like was going to get away. Live stock escape all the time. It's not that hard to gather them back up. If they were going to bring the cow down, at least bring a rifle. It's pretty clear the pistol was insufficient.
1- Animal control is not allowed to capture/kill domestic animals like cows, it was up to the cops.
2- The owner of the animal granted permission to kill the cows.
It seems to me they could have been re-captured, but if they needed to shoot them, they should have used higher caliber than their handguns.
Quote from: Malthus on November 01, 2011, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: viper37 on November 01, 2011, 10:12:42 AM
Quote from: DGuller on October 31, 2011, 08:16:01 PM
Was that cop trying to pull over the cow at 0:33 mark?
I assume there was someone outside the field of the camera. I can't imagine the cop being so stupid as to use a siren when the animals are already excited.
True, but then I can't imagine a cop being so stupid as to shoot a cow dead, either. ;)
Well, there are stupid cops, I'll agree with that.
Another interesting story:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2011/10/27/mtl-policeshooting.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2011/10/27/mtl-policeshooting.html)
The lady didn't do her stop and never saw the cops crossing the street. They felt threatened, so they fired.
Granted, this is Longueuil. There are people constantly shooting at each other.
Quote from: Siege on October 31, 2011, 08:26:34 PM
Where was this? The UK?
In Canada, near the Quebec-Ontario border, on Quebec's side.
Remind me to be polite to cops in Quebec.
Any chance that cow offended their sensibilities by mooing in English at them? :P
Quote from: Malthus on November 01, 2011, 10:23:27 AM
Any chance that cow offended their sensibilities by mooing in English at them? :P
Knowing the people of Gatineau, and hearing them speak english at the camera, she probably was a PQ member :P
Quote from: viper37 on November 01, 2011, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 31, 2011, 09:19:40 PM
Nobody owns the deer though. Somebody owned that cow. It's be like if the police shot up my monitor because they thought one of the flying toasters on the screen saver was coming at him. I'd be pretty pissed. They knew where the cow was. It's not like was going to get away. Live stock escape all the time. It's not that hard to gather them back up. If they were going to bring the cow down, at least bring a rifle. It's pretty clear the pistol was insufficient.
1- Animal control is not allowed to capture/kill domestic animals like cows, it was up to the cops.
2- The owner of the animal granted permission to kill the cows.
It seems to me they could have been re-captured, but if they needed to shoot them, they should have used higher caliber than their handguns.
What is the point of animal control if they can't capture or kill animals? Don't you people have dog catchers? Or do the police just shoot any dog they come across? Catching wayward livestock is pretty common in rural areas, I'd be surprised if nobody in the area knew how to do that.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 01, 2011, 03:18:20 PM
What is the point of animal control if they can't capture or kill animals? Don't you people have dog catchers? Or do the police just shoot any dog they come across? Catching wayward livestock is pretty common in rural areas, I'd be surprised if nobody in the area knew how to do that.
Yeah, really. What's that all about?! Lol... :hmm: Heck, in a small suburb of Boston my aunt and uncle used to have a small farm. Sometimes they'd have to chase a stray cow that got past a fence and into neighbor's yards. No biggie.
Oh I understand the threat. It's on a road which looks like it doesn't have great visibility. You hit that thing any any kind of speed and you'll be lucky if it only wrecks your car. What I don't get is the stupidity of firing at it centre-mass with a handgun.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 01, 2011, 03:18:20 PM
What is the point of animal control if they can't capture or kill animals? Don't you people have dog catchers? Or do the police just shoot any dog they come across? Catching wayward livestock is pretty common in rural areas, I'd be surprised if nobody in the area knew how to do that.
There's a difference in size between a dog and a cow.
This wasn't a rural area, it was an an suburban area.
Quote from: viper37 on November 02, 2011, 10:38:03 AM
There's a difference in size between a dog and a cow.
This wasn't a rural area, it was an an suburban area.
I've seen stray cows rounded up by little boys armed with sticks. :mellow:
Hell you don't need a stick.
That having been said, if the animal is in unfamiliar territory and there are no fences it can be difficult to round up on foot. I can see the cops not wanting to mess with it, especially with the possibility of it running onto the road in front of a car.
Quote from: Maximus on November 02, 2011, 10:50:15 AM
Hell you don't need a stick.
That having been said, if the animal is in unfamiliar territory and there are no fences it can be difficult to round up on foot. I can see the cops not wanting to mess with it, especially with the possibility of it running onto the road in front of a car.
Perhaps, but even then, relatively long-range peppering the animal with handgun fire and occasionally blasting at it with the siren is still the most stupid response possible, if you are concerned about the animal running around wildly. :lol:
I am 100% in agreement with you on that.
These RI cops, who don't seem to know what they're doing, were able to catch this cow eventually without harming it so it can't be that difficult.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2BenjKS3X0
Quote from: Malthus on November 02, 2011, 10:46:19 AM
Quote from: viper37 on November 02, 2011, 10:38:03 AM
There's a difference in size between a dog and a cow.
This wasn't a rural area, it was an an suburban area.
I've seen stray cows rounded up by little boys armed with sticks. :mellow:
country boys. Not city boys :P
Keep in mind that these were cows who fell of a truck. Transport, fall, lots of people, noise, everything to stress the animal.
From the video, it seems to me to cows could have been brought back to a truck and sent to wherever they were to be sent (slaughterhouse, maybe). But I only have a short clip to judge.
If cows were let loose in front of my house, things would probably have been different than in an suburban area.
Quote from: Malthus on November 02, 2011, 10:54:32 AM
Perhaps, but even then, relatively long-range peppering the animal with handgun fire and occasionally blasting at it with the siren is still the most stupid response possible, if you are concerned about the animal running around wildly. :lol:
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