QuoteIntermarriage plays into Nazis' hands'
Several high school students walk out of meeting with Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau in protest of controversial remark. Former chief rabbi later explains, 'Assimilation serves Israel's enemies'
Udi Avni Published: 10.23.11, 18:02 / Israel Jewish Scene
"Marrying gentiles is like playing into the hands of the Nazis," Yad Vashem Council Chairman and former Chief Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau has been quoted as saying to students from Ramat Gan's Ohel Shem High School.
According to the students, the rabbi made the remark during a lecture on the Holocaust and on his personal memories as a survivor of the Buchenwald concentration camp which he delivered to teenagers who had returned from a trip to Poland.
Lau's remark and the nature of his lecture caused several 12th graders to walk out of the auditorium during the lecture, the students said.
One of the teens who left the room explained, "As far as I understood, the lecture's point was that marrying non-Jews is forbidden, and according to Rabbi Lau, marrying gentiles is 'playing into the hands of the Nazis.'
"This remark was made toward the end of the lecture and made me very angry. As soon as it was said, I got up and left. I came to the lecture without any skepticism and tolerant toward his opinions, otherwise I would have walked out at an earlier stage."
The student addressed other remarks made by the rabbi, which angered him. "We were told about the daughter of a respected rabbi who disconnected from religion during the Holocaust, married a goy, had a child and sent him to a convent," he recounted.
"The lecture also included Bible verses, one which I particularly remember was from the Book of Psalms, and according to the rabbi, it described the Holocaust before it happened. This was said after he claimed that the Nazis tried to destroy Judaism and not just the Jews, so basically the Jews drawing away from religion are destroying Judaism."
Another 12th grader shared the unpleasant atmosphere caused by the rabbi's remark. "He spoke about his life in Poland and about the Holocaust, and then began preaching about assimilation," he recounted.
"He said the Jewish people must not assimilate and that we must maintain the Jewish identity. In addition, he presented delusional statistics, claiming that had there been no assimilation the United States would now have 30 million Jews, and showing contempt for those who assimilated – as if they are inferior to others."
Some students were upset over their fellow classmates' protest. "I saw students leaving in the middle of the lecture, not listening, and some even chose not to enter the auditorium at all. It made me very angry and bordered on disrespect for an elder and honorable person," a 12th grader said.
"A spontaneous discussion on the issue continued in the classrooms," she added. "Many were irked by the fact that we are forced to enter lectures. We have listened to many lectures during our three years in Ohel Shem, and I think the only reason they were angry was because that person is a rabbi and now a secular man.
"But Rabbi Lau is a person who contributes to the community. He is an outstanding man and should be respected if only for his position and for being an honorable person, regardless of his beliefs."
And weren't you irked by the saying about marrying gentiles?
"Every person can take this sentence to a different place. The Nazis tried to hurt Judaism, and there is a point in the rabbi's remark that assimilation is a spiritual victory for the Nazis.
"The lecture was not religious in my opinion and I didn't see any incitement attempts. The word 'assimilation' was mentioned in only one sentence and the rabbi was not trying to influence us. If a secular person had said the exact same thing, it would have been received differently."
The former chief rabbi's office issued the following statement in response: "Rabbi Lau has been delivering lectures at Ramat Gan's Ohel Shem High School for many years now, and this time too he appeared before nearly 400 12th graders.
"The rabbi did not see any of the students leave during the lecture. On the contrary, he got the feeling that the students were attentive and fascinated by what he had to say."
As for the rabbi's remarks, his office said: "It's no secret that the number of Jews in most of the world's countries is steadily declining – not because of their immigration to Israel but because of intermarriage and assimilation. Therefore, self-examination is needed during the High Holidays.
"This troubling phenomenon serves generations of Israel's enemies, who envy the Jewish people's survival. The rabbi regrets any extreme reactions from those who surely did not listen to what he was saying and did not absorb the message stemming from the lecture."
The municipality said in response, "The Ohel Shem School encourages an open dialogue in democratic and pluralistic frameworks and hosted Rabbi Lau. Several students who were unsatisfied with certain opinions acted in a disrespectful manner and walked out, and we regret that.
"The school is unaware of the discussion reaching the classrooms, although we encourage an open dialogue as part of our values-based education."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4132384,00.html
Lovely. It's funny how blatantly racist these people are, and yet these views are treated as at least a legitimate stance in a debate.
I think it was your ancestors who helped the Nazis, no?
This guy makes analogies the way you do, Marti.
Quote from: Neil on October 27, 2011, 07:29:38 AM
This guy makes analogies the way you do, Marti.
:yes:
now at least you feel our pain :P
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2011, 07:25:21 AM
Lovely. It's funny how blatantly racist these people are, and yet these views are treated as at least a legitimate stance in a debate.
What do you mean "these people"?
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2011, 08:01:33 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2011, 07:25:21 AM
Lovely. It's funny how blatantly racist these people are, and yet these views are treated as at least a legitimate stance in a debate.
What do you mean "these people"?
ok let me help you figure it out:
hint #1: Marty is a Polack
you don't need a hint #2
That's it I'm marrying a Jewish chick.
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2011, 08:01:33 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2011, 07:25:21 AM
Lovely. It's funny how blatantly racist these people are, and yet these views are treated as at least a legitimate stance in a debate.
What do you mean "these people"?
The rabbi and those who support his view.
"Marrying gentiles is like playing into the hands of the Nazis" - moron rabbi
"Jews marrying gentiles are helping the nazis" - moron polack's misinterpretation of moron rabbi's claim.
Who is more moronic? The rabbi, or the polack? The world wonders.
The rabbi lost the internet debate.
So wait Marti - are you upset that the rabbi is encouraging the students not to marry gentiles (which if a fairly common position for any number of minority communities around the world), or for making a bad Nazi analogy?
I think the important lesson here is that Malthus is a Nazi and so is his mother.
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2011, 08:49:52 AM
I think the important lesson here is that Malthus is a Nazi and so is his mother.
My mother would make an excellent Nazi. :)
Her version of a death camp: on arrival, inmates are forced to listen to a series of four-hour telephone conversations featuring family trivia consisting of relations you have never met.
By the end, the victims will walk willingly into the gas chambers ...
What news feeds is Martinus reading and why is this a news story at all?
The danger of the Shiksa is well known. They are like Nazis in every way.
Quote from: PDH on October 27, 2011, 08:57:43 AM
The danger of the Shiksa is well known. They are like Nazis in every way.
Well, most Shiksas cannot afford outfits by Hugo Boss.
Kneel before ZOG.
Quote from: The Brain on October 27, 2011, 09:01:10 AM
Kneel before ZOG.
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Zog? What do you mean zog? Zog what? Zog yes, zog no?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 27, 2011, 08:57:40 AM
What news feeds is Martinus reading
Booo. I thought you were above dodging news story by insinuating something about the source.
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2011, 09:37:58 AMBooo. I thought you were above dodging news story by insinuating something about the source.
Well, you know how those people are.
Quote from: Jacob on October 27, 2011, 09:48:27 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2011, 09:37:58 AMBooo. I thought you were above dodging news story by insinuating something about the source.
Well, you know how those people are.
It's funny how you are also insinuating that I'm a racist/antisemite for posting this article. :lol:
Quote from: Barrister on October 27, 2011, 08:47:53 AM
So wait Marti - are you upset that the rabbi is encouraging the students not to marry gentiles (which if a fairly common position for any number of minority communities around the world), or for making a bad Nazi analogy?
Both, although the latter obviously more strongly than the former (which as you say is the typical ethnic/tribal idiocy, probably not nesworthy on its own).
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2011, 10:17:05 AM
Both, although the latter obviously more strongly than the former (which as you say is the typical ethnic/tribal idiocy, probably not nesworthy on its own).
A Rabbi caught Godwinizing is not really news. More a source of laughter than anger, I'd think. :D
But then, I'm probably worse than Hitler to think that. :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 10:25:01 AM
A Rabbi caught Godwinizing is not really news. More a source of laughter than anger, I'd think. :D
But then, I'm probably worse than Hitler to think that. :hmm:
First you have to do something truly terrible like not teach Carl how to properly celebrate Sukkot.
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2011, 10:26:57 AM
First you have to do something truly terrible like not teach Carl how to properly celebrate Sukkot.
Well, I already did the very thing this Rabbi dude is complaining about - married a non-Jew. :D
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
Well, I already did the very thing this Rabbi dude is complaining about - married a non-Jew. :D
Well right that was the part that made you a Nazi. But to be worse than Hitler you have to take it to the next level.
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2011, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
Well, I already did the very thing this Rabbi dude is complaining about - married a non-Jew. :D
Well right that was the part that made you a Nazi. But to be worse than Hitler you have to take it to the next level.
Just allowing him to eat Christmas dinner at his Ukranian grandparent's house ought to suffice.
[Is there anything that Ukranians eat that *doesn't* have pork in it? :D I drew the line at one dish that was, like, shreds of pork in gelatin - meat flavoured jello. :yuk: ]
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 10:44:21 AM
Just allowing him to eat Christmas dinner at his Ukranian grandparent's house ought to suffice.
Worshipping false Gods? Oh now you have done it. You better be ready for all those sudden terrors, wasting diseases, and fevers that will destroy your sight and sap your strength.
QuoteIs there anything that Ukranians eat that *doesn't* have pork in it? I drew the line at one dish that was, like, shreds of pork in gelatin - meat flavoured jello.
See? If that isn't evidence of sudden terror I don't know what is.
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2011, 10:15:18 AMIt's funny how you are also insinuating that I'm a racist/antisemite for posting this article. :lol:
:lol:
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 10:44:21 AM
I drew the line at one dish that was, like, shreds of pork in gelatin - meat flavoured jello. :yuk: ]
Sounds like Schweinskopfsülze (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BClze). Can't stand the stuff, I prefer my meat without jelly.
Quote from: Jacob on October 27, 2011, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2011, 10:15:18 AMIt's funny how you are also insinuating that I'm a racist/antisemite for posting this article. :lol:
:lol:
He is odd, no?
Dont give odd people a bad name.
Quote from: Jacob on October 27, 2011, 09:48:27 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2011, 09:37:58 AMBooo. I thought you were above dodging news story by insinuating something about the source.
Well, you know how those people are.
:face:
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 10:44:21 AM
[Is there anything that Ukranians eat that *doesn't* have pork in it? :D I drew the line at one dish that was, like, shreds of pork in gelatin - meat flavoured jello. :yuk: ]
Kholodets? :huh:
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 10:44:21 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2011, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
Well, I already did the very thing this Rabbi dude is complaining about - married a non-Jew. :D
Well right that was the part that made you a Nazi. But to be worse than Hitler you have to take it to the next level.
Just allowing him to eat Christmas dinner at his Ukranian grandparent's house ought to suffice.
[Is there anything that Ukranians eat that *doesn't* have pork in it? :D I drew the line at one dish that was, like, shreds of pork in gelatin - meat flavoured jello. :yuk: ]
Everything for Christmas dinner should be 100% pork-free. :huh: It's the traditional twelve meatless dishes (though fish counts as 'not meat').
Quote from: Barrister on October 27, 2011, 02:07:58 PM
Everything for Christmas dinner should be 100% pork-free. :huh: It's the traditional twelve meatless dishes (though fish counts as 'not meat').
That's for religious or Ukranian Christmas. For regular old Canadian Christmas (on which they also have a feast, albeit a secular one) no special dishes appear to be required.
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 02:26:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 27, 2011, 02:07:58 PM
Everything for Christmas dinner should be 100% pork-free. :huh: It's the traditional twelve meatless dishes (though fish counts as 'not meat').
That's for religious or Ukranian Christmas. For regular old Canadian Christmas (on which they also have a feast, albeit a secular one) no special dishes appear to be required.
But that is the answer to your question - yes, there is one day a year when Ukrainians do not eat any pork. -_-
Quote from: Barrister on October 27, 2011, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 10:44:21 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2011, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
Well, I already did the very thing this Rabbi dude is complaining about - married a non-Jew. :D
Well right that was the part that made you a Nazi. But to be worse than Hitler you have to take it to the next level.
Just allowing him to eat Christmas dinner at his Ukranian grandparent's house ought to suffice.
[Is there anything that Ukranians eat that *doesn't* have pork in it? :D I drew the line at one dish that was, like, shreds of pork in gelatin - meat flavoured jello. :yuk: ]
Everything for Christmas dinner should be 100% pork-free. :huh: It's the traditional twelve meatless dishes (though fish counts as 'not meat').
Funny, it's exactly the same tradition in Poland. Is this an Orthodox or a Catholic tradition in Ukraine?
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2011, 04:31:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 27, 2011, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 10:44:21 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2011, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
Well, I already did the very thing this Rabbi dude is complaining about - married a non-Jew. :D
Well right that was the part that made you a Nazi. But to be worse than Hitler you have to take it to the next level.
Just allowing him to eat Christmas dinner at his Ukranian grandparent's house ought to suffice.
[Is there anything that Ukranians eat that *doesn't* have pork in it? :D I drew the line at one dish that was, like, shreds of pork in gelatin - meat flavoured jello. :yuk: ]
Everything for Christmas dinner should be 100% pork-free. :huh: It's the traditional twelve meatless dishes (though fish counts as 'not meat').
Funny, it's exactly the same tradition in Poland. Is this an Orthodox or a Catholic tradition in Ukraine?
Believe it is both.
I had a Ukrainian girlfriend for awhile in university (her and her parents emigrated from Ukraine a few years earlier), they were Orthodox, and they did invite me over one year for the traditional dishes, but I think Catholics also do it.
My family doesn't do it, though we do have a few ukrainian dishes alongside the turkey and stuffing at Christmas.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 27, 2011, 11:05:09 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2011, 09:37:58 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 27, 2011, 08:57:40 AM
What news feeds is Martinus reading
Booo. I thought you were above dodging news stories
This is not a news story.
It was on the first page of a Polish leftist (Israel-friendly) newspaper's website.
What is in a Polish newspaper isn't necessarily news just as what's inside a Polish head isn't necessarily a brain.
Quote from: Malthus on October 27, 2011, 02:26:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 27, 2011, 02:07:58 PM
Everything for Christmas dinner should be 100% pork-free. :huh: It's the traditional twelve meatless dishes (though fish counts as 'not meat').
That's for religious or Ukranian Christmas. For regular old Canadian Christmas (on which they also have a feast, albeit a secular one) no special dishes appear to be required.
Tourtiere - Yeah, pork.
Ragout de Pate - Pork.
Turkey - Pork in stuffing.
Ham - Pork.
Yeah, pork is everywhere!
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 28, 2011, 07:05:55 AM
Yeah, pork is everywhere!
Pigs supposedly produce meat the most efficiently and I hear they were by far the most common livestock back in the day for that reason.
Or maybe they just did it to show how Christian and not Jewish or Muslim they were.
Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2011, 03:43:27 AM
It was on the first page of a Polish leftist (Israel-friendly) newspaper's website.
Israel-friendly in the sense of 'Thank our Catholic God that the Jews are somewhere else!', as opposed to the standard Polish 'I wish the Jews weren't in Israel so we could have a nice pogrom and steal their shit.'
Who puts pork in stuffing?
So Oskar Schindler was doing the Nazis' work by porking with his Jewish secretaries? So he was a scumbag, after all.
Quote from: dps on October 28, 2011, 09:51:14 AM
Who puts pork in stuffing?
There's no material for a joke in here. :(
Quote from: Drakken on October 28, 2011, 09:52:39 AM
So Oskar Schindler was doing the Nazis' work by porking with his Jewish secretaries? So he was a scumbag, after all.
He also made shoddy products. Guy had no business ethics. :D
Quote from: Malthus on October 28, 2011, 09:55:15 AM
He also made shoddy products. Guy had no business ethics. :D
Amon Goeth should have recommended him for a SS Long Service Medal for banging all these Jewish women under his service, as he was secretly doing the work for the Reich!
Quote from: Drakken on October 28, 2011, 09:52:39 AM
So Oskar Schindler was doing the Nazis' work by porking with his Jewish secretaries? So he was a scumbag, after all.
He didn't marry them - so it's OK.
Quote from: Malthus on October 28, 2011, 09:55:15 AM
Quote from: Drakken on October 28, 2011, 09:52:39 AM
So Oskar Schindler was doing the Nazis' work by porking with his Jewish secretaries? So he was a scumbag, after all.
He also made shoddy products. Guy had no business ethics. :D
:lol:
Quote from: Drakken on October 28, 2011, 09:59:42 AM
Quote from: Malthus on October 28, 2011, 09:55:15 AM
He also made shoddy products. Guy had no business ethics. :D
Amon Goeth should have recommended him for a SS Long Service Medal for banging all these Jewish women under his service, as he was secretly doing the work for the Reich!
Schindler did waht?
Quote from: Siege on October 29, 2011, 08:56:54 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 28, 2011, 09:59:42 AM
Quote from: Malthus on October 28, 2011, 09:55:15 AM
He also made shoddy products. Guy had no business ethics. :D
Amon Goeth should have recommended him for a SS Long Service Medal for banging all these Jewish women under his service, as he was secretly doing the work for the Reich!
Schindler did waht?
Schindler sexed young, attractive Jewesses, because he was a sophisticated, intelligent modern man and not a bronze-age barbarian.
Quote from: Neil on October 29, 2011, 09:10:59 PM
Quote from: Siege on October 29, 2011, 08:56:54 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 28, 2011, 09:59:42 AM
Quote from: Malthus on October 28, 2011, 09:55:15 AM
He also made shoddy products. Guy had no business ethics. :D
Amon Goeth should have recommended him for a SS Long Service Medal for banging all these Jewish women under his service, as he was secretly doing the work for the Reich!
Schindler did waht?
Schindler sexed young, attractive Jewesses, because he was a sophisticated, intelligent modern man and not a bronze-age barbarian.
Are you foh real?
How come I never heard of this before?
Why the fuck is he held as a hero?
Quote from: Siege on October 29, 2011, 09:18:46 PM
Are you foh real?
How come I never heard of this before?
Why the fuck is he held as a hero?
Because saving lives is a good thing, and so is having sex with pretty girls.
You probably haven't heard of it because your weird, racist, primitive friends don't talk about it.
Quote from: Siege on October 29, 2011, 09:18:46 PM
Are you foh real?
How come I never heard of this before?
Why the fuck is he held as a hero?
Because thanks to him not all Polish Jews were transfored into ashe or worked to death by the Nazis? I think in the balance it weights more than banging a few Jewish women (and German women, and Polish women...) under the Nazis' nose.
Quote from: Drakken on October 29, 2011, 11:04:13 PM
Because thanks to him not all Polish Jews were transfored into ashe
Sadly, few were. :(
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IT WAS A BLOOD TRANSFUSION!! I AM NOT GAY!!!