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Title: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: Martinus on October 25, 2011, 05:40:29 AM
The fate of Gaddafi got me thinking: what is the correlation between violently murdering a tyrant or letting him live/putting him on trial and the subsequent success of the government resulting from such overthrow, in terms of welfare and democracy?

How many examples are there of succesful democratic countries that have tyrannicide as the "founding myth" in the modern times?

For the purpose of this exercise, consider modern times to be the last 400 years or so. And countries which had to go through another revolution/restoration to reach normalcy (e.g. France or England) dont count.

I can think of post-WW2 Italy only. Any other examples?
Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: Valdemar on October 25, 2011, 05:45:08 AM
the Sovjets will probably consider killing the Czar a succesful coup d'Etat

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Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: Grinning_Colossus on October 25, 2011, 05:51:01 AM
Romania is doing alright.
Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: Martinus on October 25, 2011, 05:54:07 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on October 25, 2011, 05:45:08 AM
the Sovjets will probably consider killing the Czar a succesful coup d'Etat

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A succesful democratic state? Not really.
Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: Martinus on October 25, 2011, 05:54:43 AM
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on October 25, 2011, 05:51:01 AM
Romania is doing alright.

Was it extrajudicial or death penalty following a trial?
Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: Grinning_Colossus on October 25, 2011, 05:59:20 AM
It depends on how one defines 'judicial'. He was 'tried' and executed in a matter of hours by the military.
Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 25, 2011, 06:03:16 AM
What about driving the old monarch to insanity?  :hmm:
Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: dps on October 25, 2011, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 25, 2011, 05:40:29 AM
The fate of Gaddafi got me thinking: what is the correlation between violently murdering a tyrant or letting him live/putting him on trial and the subsequent success of the government resulting from such overthrow, in terms of welfare and democracy?

How many examples are there of succesful democratic countries that have tyrannicide as the "founding myth" in the modern times?

For the purpose of this exercise, consider modern times to be the last 400 years or so. And countries which had to go through another revolution/restoration to reach normalcy (e.g. France or England) dont count.

I can think of post-WW2 Italy only. Any other examples?

Victor Emmanuel III wasn't murdered, nor was he ever put on trial for anything.  He was merely forced to abdicate and to go into exile.  And he wasn't really a tyrant, more just a figurehead--Mussolini was the tyrant.

And if you meant Mussolini, his overthrow and killing wasn't post-war;  he was overthown and later killed during the war.


Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: The Brain on October 25, 2011, 11:25:39 AM
Israel almost has one, but Folke Bernadotte wasn't a tyrant.
Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: Viking on October 25, 2011, 11:30:02 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 25, 2011, 11:25:39 AM
Israel almost has one, but Folke Bernadotte wasn't a tyrant.

Abd Al-Qadir Al-Huseyni might be a candidate.
Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: DGuller on October 25, 2011, 11:34:13 AM
I wouldn't really consider post-WW2 Italy a success story.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on October 25, 2011, 11:40:20 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_economic_miracle
Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: DGuller on October 25, 2011, 11:41:21 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi
Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: The Brain on October 25, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)
Title: Re: Extrajudicial killings of tyrants and succesful countries in modern times?
Post by: DGuller on October 25, 2011, 11:53:21 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck_You_%28Cee_Lo_Green_song%29