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Title: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Martinus on October 24, 2011, 04:55:46 AM
QuoteBUDAPEST, Hungary -- Tens of thousands of protesters have attended a rally expressing their opposition to the policies of Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

Speakers from several civic groups, united by the "I don't like the regime" motto, condemned a wide range of government measures, from restrictive media polices to changes in the tax system hurting the poor.

Balazs Denes, head of the Hungarian Civil Liberties Union, said the weak opposition parties in parliament, up against Orban's two-thirds majority, were also responsible for the problems affecting Hungarian democracy.

A spokesman said Hungary's "alternative president" will be elected at the next rally on March 15.

Sunday's demonstration was held on the 55th anniversary of Hungary's 1956 revolution against Soviet rule.

Good for Hungary!

It seems your democratic changes/vicissitudes are similar to Poland's, with some differences.

First, powerful social-democrats that got completely compromised for being crooks and swindlers.
This is followed by a massive victory for center-right parties with a reformist (some would say, authoritarian zeal).
Here's where our parallels diverge because your Fides remained united, whereas our center-right block got divided and led to a massive PO vs. PiS debacle (they both got to power in 2005 on similar platform, mind you).
Now, finally, a grass root movement starting what may become proper, European-style left (in Poland, it's the Palikot's movement, in Hungary the above).
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Tamas on October 24, 2011, 06:33:50 AM
I am not sure what you are talking about, the news on the state TV did not cover this AT ALL





;)


Yes, it was a nice start, still just a fraction of people FIDESZ could mobilize for their demonstrations and rallies.
But it is telling that all dignitaries were all too eager to celebrate the 1956 anniversary abroad so they don't have to go before crowds. Orban himself had the traditional huge-ass FIDESZ gathering cancelled due to the EU council that day.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Martinus on October 24, 2011, 06:44:13 AM
Quote from: Tamas on October 24, 2011, 06:33:50 AM
I am not sure what you are talking about, the news on the state TV did not cover this AT ALL
Really???
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Tamas on October 24, 2011, 06:46:59 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 24, 2011, 06:44:13 AM
Quote from: Tamas on October 24, 2011, 06:33:50 AM
I am not sure what you are talking about, the news on the state TV did not cover this AT ALL
Really???

yep, watched their news program this morning. no mention of the demonstration whatsoever.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Neil on October 24, 2011, 07:36:28 AM
Why would a small minority be a threat to the overwhelmingly popular government?
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: DGuller on October 24, 2011, 08:08:54 AM
I wonder if Arab Spring would reach the shores of Hungary?  :hmm:
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 24, 2011, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: DGuller on October 24, 2011, 08:08:54 AM
I wonder if the Magyarab Spring would reach the shores of Hungary?  :hmm:

FYP
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: MadImmortalMan on October 24, 2011, 11:08:28 AM
They don't have shores.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Neil on October 24, 2011, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 24, 2011, 11:08:28 AM
They don't have shores.
And rightly so.  They destabilized the Empire, and they reaped the whirlwind.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Syt on October 24, 2011, 11:38:12 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 24, 2011, 11:08:28 AM
They don't have shores.

But they had an Admiral.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Tamas on October 24, 2011, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: Syt on October 24, 2011, 11:38:12 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 24, 2011, 11:08:28 AM
They don't have shores.

But they had an Admiral.

That's how we roll.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Tamas on October 24, 2011, 02:15:06 PM
Also, for the first time, like, evah (in Hungary, at least), the face of a political movement is hott:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSP81Che1X0

AFAIK she is a leftie political activist who agreed to do the clip. Rest of the people are also from the movement, several of them are noted actors/musicians and such.

Worth noting that the girl at 0:34 is the leader of the student organization going against the (in general much needed, but right now very chaotic) higher education reforms of the government.

I, for one, welcome the replacement of ugly old ex-communist farts with young females in the political left :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Neil on October 24, 2011, 07:29:43 PM
Quote from: Tamas on October 24, 2011, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: Syt on October 24, 2011, 11:38:12 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 24, 2011, 11:08:28 AM
They don't have shores.
But they had an Admiral.
That's how we roll.
Well, he was an admiral for the empire that you people stabbed in the back.  It was only appropriate that Hungary lost access to the sea.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Caliga on October 24, 2011, 07:35:30 PM
Jesus, is that video recorded in Hungarian?  It sounds like baby talk.  Bar bar bar bar bar bar.  The Greeks were right. :)
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Habbaku on October 24, 2011, 07:49:52 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 24, 2011, 07:35:30 PM
Jesus, is that video recorded in Hungarian?  It sounds like baby talk.  Bar bar bar bar bar bar.  The Greeks were right. :)

Keep in mind that they're practically Russians and it makes more sense.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Tamas on October 25, 2011, 02:00:36 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on October 24, 2011, 07:49:52 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 24, 2011, 07:35:30 PM
Jesus, is that video recorded in Hungarian?  It sounds like baby talk.  Bar bar bar bar bar bar.  The Greeks were right. :)

Keep in mind that they're practically Russians and it makes more sense.

You are mistaking us with the Polacks, Southerner.

And I can say, with authority, that our language is nicer than yours :P
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Razgovory on October 25, 2011, 02:10:01 AM
I have to say, that weird grunting sound you guys make is unattractive.  Oh and I think some people in Russia speak a language similar to yours.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Tamas on October 25, 2011, 02:23:50 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 25, 2011, 02:10:01 AM
I have to say, that weird grunting sound you guys make is unattractive.  Oh and I think some people in Russia speak a language similar to yours.

grunting? God damn have you heard slavs talk? Besides, this is a rap song FFS. If you judge a language based on their rapping, well, that's your problem.

And those people you mention are our distant relatives like the Finns. Similarity with Finns doesn't stop there, since they were conquered by the Russians a long time ago.
Not that you don't know that already, Basement Troll.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: The Brain on October 25, 2011, 02:26:19 AM
I know Finns. You are nothing like Finns.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Tamas on October 25, 2011, 02:36:38 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 25, 2011, 02:26:19 AM
I know Finns. You are nothing like Finns.

You say that, but not only I was taken for a Finn by some gypos in Paris once, but I was taken for a Finn by an OLD GUY FROM HELSINKI who overheard me talking in English in Krakow.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: The Brain on October 25, 2011, 08:30:04 AM
Quote from: Tamas on October 25, 2011, 02:36:38 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 25, 2011, 02:26:19 AM
I know Finns. You are nothing like Finns.

You say that, but not only I was taken for a Finn by some gypos in Paris once, but I was taken for a Finn by an OLD GUY FROM HELSINKI who overheard me talking in English in Krakow.

Old Finns are invariably drunk. Doesn't prove a thing.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Sahib on October 25, 2011, 08:40:53 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 25, 2011, 02:10:01 AM
I have to say, that weird grunting sound you guys make is unattractive.  Oh and I think some people in Russia speak a language similar to yours.

Eh, sounded kind of cute to me  :hmm:
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: Caliga on October 24, 2011, 07:35:30 PM
Jesus, is that video recorded in Hungarian?  It sounds like baby talk.  Bar bar bar bar bar bar.  The Greeks were right. :)

Hungarian is one funky language.  It was weird seeing signs in roman letters and having zero idea what they were saying.  In Romance and Germanic language countries you can usually figure it out.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 08:43:35 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 25, 2011, 02:10:01 AM
I have to say, that weird grunting sound you guys make is unattractive.  Oh and I think some people in Russia speak a language similar to yours.

Hungarians living abroad?
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Razgovory on October 25, 2011, 08:46:22 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 08:43:35 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 25, 2011, 02:10:01 AM
I have to say, that weird grunting sound you guys make is unattractive.  Oh and I think some people in Russia speak a language similar to yours.

Hungarians living abroad?

Hungarians came from people speaking a group of languages in Northern Russia.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 08:48:34 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 25, 2011, 08:46:22 AM
Hungarians came from people speaking a group of languages in Northern Russia.

Well I guess if you take this absurdity to its obvious conclusions Turks are also Russians.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: The Minsky Moment on October 25, 2011, 09:10:28 AM
Quote from: Syt on October 24, 2011, 11:38:12 AM
But they had an Admiral.

Someone must protect Lake Balaton from rambunctious German tourists.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Razgovory on October 25, 2011, 09:16:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 08:48:34 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 25, 2011, 08:46:22 AM
Hungarians came from people speaking a group of languages in Northern Russia.

Well I guess if you take this absurdity to its obvious conclusions Turks are also Russians.

Good enough, though I think the original Turkic speakers in the 'Stans.
Title: Re: Hungary: Thousands Protest Against Prime Minister Viktor Orban's Policies
Post by: Syt on October 25, 2011, 10:17:11 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: Caliga on October 24, 2011, 07:35:30 PM
Jesus, is that video recorded in Hungarian?  It sounds like baby talk.  Bar bar bar bar bar bar.  The Greeks were right. :)

Hungarian is one funky language.  It was weird seeing signs in roman letters and having zero idea what they were saying.  In Romance and Germanic language countries you can usually figure it out.

Yep. On ad posters we loved to guess what the product in question was. Insurance? Tooth paste? No idea. It wasn't fun trying to operate a ticket vending machine for the subway when the instructions are only in Hungarian.