http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/21/obama-to-speak-about-iraq-troop-levels/
That'll save some money, and also strech Iran's forces thinner.
Good.
Good. That should we free up some manpower for the fresh invasions.
Peace with honor.
Quote from: DGuller on October 21, 2011, 05:02:12 PM
Good. That should we free up some manpower for the fresh invasions.
Iran or Pakistan.
Both deserve a ass-whoop.
Quote from: Siege on October 21, 2011, 05:25:22 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 21, 2011, 05:02:12 PM
Good. That should we free up some manpower for the fresh invasions.
Iran or Pakistan.
Both deserve a ass-whoop.
We'd need a draft to do either one.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 21, 2011, 06:02:10 PM
Quote from: Siege on October 21, 2011, 05:25:22 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 21, 2011, 05:02:12 PM
Good. That should we free up some manpower for the fresh invasions.
Iran or Pakistan.
Both deserve a ass-whoop.
We'd need a draft to do either one.
Use some nukes. Nobody will miss either country.
No, they probably wouldn't.
There would be a shortage of Pakistani and Iranian convenience store clerks and copy store owners, but everybody would manage.
Osama bin Laden dead, Gaddafi dead, US troops out of Iraq... not a bad watch for Obama on that front.
This is part of his move to reduce the military in preparation of using his Americorps stormtroopers to enact a red Socialist takeover.
Quote from: Siege on October 21, 2011, 05:25:22 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 21, 2011, 05:02:12 PM
Good. That should we free up some manpower for the fresh invasions.
Iran or Pakistan.
Both deserve a ass-whoop.
Israel deserves an ass-whoop, what with the whole 'spying for the Chinks' thing.
Only several months late. I guess that'll work.
Need to get them out before January in case there's a different President then. ;)
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 21, 2011, 07:45:55 PM
Need to get them out before January in case there's a different President then. ;)
In 2012? Is he expecting to die or be impeached?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 21, 2011, 07:45:55 PM
Need to get them out before January in case there's a different President then. ;)
I think the odds of Obama resigning, getting removed from office or getting assassinated in the next two months are pretty low.
Jan 2013 obviously. :p
I wonder if Obama is going to lose next year.
I expect so.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 21, 2011, 07:49:19 PM
Jan 2013 obviously. :p
That doesn't fix your statement any. ;)
I thought they left a few months ago, already :d'oh:
Quote from: Neil on October 21, 2011, 07:53:22 PM
I wonder if Obama is going to lose next year.
It's a distinct possibility. So many people on both sides of the aisle are unhappy with the economy...and for some reason voters seem to believe the President has the deciding influence on the economy.
Also: I am glad they are bringing the boys back home.
Quote from: Neil on October 21, 2011, 07:53:22 PM
I wonder if Obama is going to lose next year.
If he wins it's because he makes the campaign about the challenger rather then himself.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 21, 2011, 10:04:19 PM
If he wins it's because he makes the campaign about the challenger rather then himself.
Yes, that'd have to be the number one priority on the strategists' minds. Sad, really. I think a lot of young folks who wouldn't have voted for anyone before voted for Obama because...well, they thought he was one of them, at least in spirit. I think finding out that he's a politician like many others - rolling over when it's convenient, etc - has broken the hearts of a lot of people. I'd imagine a lot of the Occupy protesters would say they're pretty angry with Obama.
Quote from: fahdiz on October 21, 2011, 10:09:00 PM
I'd imagine a lot of the Occupy protesters would say they're pretty angry with Obama.
I don't know. There's a lot to be said for how badly the House and Senate have handled things in terms of the economy. Personally, I'm far more frustrated with damn near every Representative and Senator in our gov't than I am with Obama. Especially since it seems that lately he's grown a backbone and started putting his foot down on some things.
It doesn't help that I can't stomach the Tea Party, and I am fucking sick to death of the social conservatives out there stomping around. I identify with the Occupy crowd, but I'll vote for Obama again.
The one nice thing about this election is that it seems no one's paying much attention to social conservatism.
Quote from: fahdiz on October 21, 2011, 10:09:00 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 21, 2011, 10:04:19 PM
If he wins it's because he makes the campaign about the challenger rather then himself.
Yes, that'd have to be the number one priority on the strategists' minds. Sad, really. I think a lot of young folks who wouldn't have voted for anyone before voted for Obama because...well, they thought he was one of them, at least in spirit. I think finding out that he's a politician like many others - rolling over when it's convenient, etc - has broken the hearts of a lot of people. I'd imagine a lot of the Occupy protesters would say they're pretty angry with Obama.
A lot of liberals had unrealistic expectations about Obama. That he'd be able to wave his hand and right all wrongs. It's not that easy. I'm disappointed on how naive he is. Domestically he's not done so well. On the foreign relations area though, he's done well (though I suspect Hillary has more to do with this then he does). I didn't think the Libyan thing was a good idea, but happily I was wrong and so far it seems to be working out. Obama has had to have walk a difficult line in dealing with the Mid East governments since many of them have had to face full scale rebellions.
Quote from: merithyn on October 21, 2011, 10:34:32 PM
Especially since it seems that lately he's grown a backbone and started putting his foot down on some things.
Like his job bill which is coming to pieces? :lol:
I think she means the Iraq withdrawal plan, which he has been unable to weasel out of.
Quote from: garbon on October 22, 2011, 06:01:43 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 21, 2011, 10:34:32 PM
Especially since it seems that lately he's grown a backbone and started putting his foot down on some things.
Like his job bill which is coming to pieces? :lol:
I always thought that the intent of the jobs bill was for it to fail, not for it to pass. Surely even Obama at this point must know that Republicans will not pass any economic agenda that he proposes.
While I'm not sure if this is a good idea, I'm going to trust the man who's presidency saw the execution of Osama Bin laden and Gaddafi.
Quote from: Faeelin on October 22, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
While I'm not sure if this is a good idea, I'm going to trust the man who's presidency saw the execution of Osama Bin laden and Gaddafi.
Why does the downfall of those two give you trust in Obama?
this needs a "did we win?" poll
Quote from: Faeelin on October 22, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
While I'm not sure if this is a good idea, I'm going to trust the man who's presidency saw the execution of Osama Bin laden and Gaddafi.
You've got no choice and Obama had no choice. I argued during the election that on Iraq McCain and Obama would effectively have the same policy: the SOFA Bush negotiated. I've seen no indication the Iraqis want you to stay. It'd be disappointing if lefties were to praise Obama for this.
Quote from: Neil on October 22, 2011, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on October 22, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
While I'm not sure if this is a good idea, I'm going to trust the man who's presidency saw the execution of Osama Bin laden and Gaddafi.
Why does the downfall of those two give you trust in Obama?
Bitches be tripping.
Quote from: DGuller on October 22, 2011, 10:14:42 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 22, 2011, 06:01:43 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 21, 2011, 10:34:32 PM
Especially since it seems that lately he's grown a backbone and started putting his foot down on some things.
Like his job bill which is coming to pieces? :lol:
I always thought that the intent of the jobs bill was for it to fail, not for it to pass. Surely even Obama at this point must know that Republicans will not pass any economic agenda that he proposes.
Agreed - I'm simply not convinced that it was a good powerplay, as in the Republicans really fucked up America and didn't let me fix it. I'm not really sure where one goes with such a negative strategy once one has established and inability to get one's own party to tow the line. So what, the Republicans suck - how are you going to do better in your next term?
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 22, 2011, 07:10:25 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on October 22, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
While I'm not sure if this is a good idea, I'm going to trust the man who's presidency saw the execution of Osama Bin laden and Gaddafi.
You've got no choice and Obama had no choice. I argued during the election that on Iraq McCain and Obama would effectively have the same policy: the SOFA Bush negotiated. I've seen no indication the Iraqis want you to stay. It'd be disappointing if lefties were to praise Obama for this.
It is easy and gratifying for them to do so...so why not?
And... now we have Karzai saying he'd back Pakistan over the US in a potential conflict. Awesome. :rolleyes:
http://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-back-pakistan-wars-u-karzai-023316217.html (http://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-back-pakistan-wars-u-karzai-023316217.html)
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on October 23, 2011, 01:38:56 AM
And... now we have Karzai saying he'd back Pakistan over the US in a potential conflict. Awesome. :rolleyes:
http://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-back-pakistan-wars-u-karzai-023316217.html (http://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-back-pakistan-wars-u-karzai-023316217.html)
It's easy for him to say because he knows that won't happen. Pakistan can never get into a serious conflict with the US because that would leave them defenceless against India.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on October 23, 2011, 01:38:56 AM
And... now we have Karzai saying he'd back Pakistan over the US in a potential conflict. Awesome. :rolleyes:
http://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-back-pakistan-wars-u-karzai-023316217.html (http://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-back-pakistan-wars-u-karzai-023316217.html)
He knows NATO will leave soon. He's just kissing up to the new boss.
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2011, 12:23:34 AMIt is easy and gratifying for them to do so...so why not?
Because it's nonsense :mellow:
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 22, 2011, 07:10:25 PM
You've got no choice and Obama had no choice. I argued during the election that on Iraq McCain and Obama would effectively have the same policy: the SOFA Bush negotiated. I've seen no indication the Iraqis want you to stay. It'd be disappointing if lefties were to praise Obama for this.
Given that the righties are saying it's a bad idea and denigrating Obama for it, why shouldn't he take credit for it? I mean, if he's going to get the blame, he may as well get the praise, too, right?
Personally, I'm so sick to death of the Us/Them political system we live in. I have always been an independent, but now I revel in that "party". I don't want to identify with either the Democrats or the Republicans, and I just wish that one or two more significant parties could grow enough to seriously undermine both. It seems impossible for that to happen but a girl can dream.