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Title: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on September 16, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCNePeKn3Tg&feature=player_embedded

:cry:

Gotta find out how many people I know are affected though. That's a big event every year.
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on September 16, 2011, 08:55:12 PM
Oh, man this is terrible...

http://www.news10.net/news/article/153658/2/VIDEO-2-dead-22-injured-in-plane-crash-at-Reno-Air-Race

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Jeff Martinez, a KRNV weatherman, was just outside the air race grounds at the time of the crash. He said he saw a plane veer to the right and then "it just augured straight into the ground."

He said he saw "pieces and parts going everywhere."

Witnesses told the Reno Gazette Journal the crash is a horrific scene, with multiple fatalities and body parts strewn across the tarmac at Reno-Stead Airport.

"It's just like a massacre. It's like a bomb went off," said Dr. Gerald Lent of Reno, who witnessed the crash. "There are people lying all over the runway."

The only thing the Korean War veteran could compare the scene to was combat.

"One guy was cut in half. There's blood everywhere," Lent said. "There's arms and legs. One guy just said 'hey, there's another foot over here."

Lent said the P-51 fighter was racing when the aircraft pulled straight up, made a roll and "went right into the audience" in the VIP area.

Juan Echeverria, 37, of Sparks, said he was about 100 feet away when the World War II-era fighter went down.

"The guy lost control, shot straight up into the air and came down into the people," Echeverria said. "It hit full force, full throttle."

The plane did not explode but "just disintegrated into debris," Echeverria said. "There's a huge crater where it hit."

Echeverria described a horrific scene.

"It's shocking," he said. "The scene is very gruesome."
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on September 16, 2011, 09:06:09 PM
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6:58 p.m. update: A vintage World War II-era fighter plane plunged into the grandstands Friday during a popular annual air show, killing at least three people and injuring roughly 75 and creating a horrific scene strewn with body parts and smoking debris.

The plane spiraled suddenly out of control and appeared to disintegrate upon impact. Bloodied bodies were spread across the area as people tended to the victims and ambulances rushed to the scene.

Maureen Higgins of Alabama, who has been coming to the show for 16 years, said the pilot was on his third lap when he lost control.

She was sitting about 30 yards away from the crash and watched in horror as the man in front of her started bleeding after a piece of debris hit him in the head.

"I saw body parts and gore like you wouldn't believe it. I'm talking an arm, a leg," Higgins said "The alive people were missing body parts. I am not kidding you. It was gore. Unbelievable gore."

link (http://www.rgj.com/article/20110916/EVENTS05/110916036/Update-Three-confirmed-dead-air-races-crash-pilot-stunt-pilot-movies?odyssey=mod%7Cbreaking%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE)
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: jimmy olsen on September 16, 2011, 09:07:28 PM
Wow, just awful. :(
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: Caliga on September 16, 2011, 09:37:17 PM
Christ. :(
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: Razgovory on September 16, 2011, 10:23:41 PM
That's a shame. :(
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: Habbaku on September 17, 2011, 12:44:09 AM
 :(  Think I'm going to avoid air shows for a long, long while.
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: Slargos on September 17, 2011, 02:35:04 AM
I wonder how this compares to getting in your car for a pack of smokes on a quiet sunday afternoon. I would wager the latter is still more dangerous, statistically.  :hmm:
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: Caliga on September 17, 2011, 05:09:25 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 17, 2011, 12:44:09 AM
:(  Think I'm going to avoid air shows for a long, long while.
I said that the last time there was a huge accident at an air show, and the time before that, and the time before that, etc.

I remember there was this one in Germany in the 80s where like 100 people got killed.
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: dps on September 17, 2011, 06:04:46 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2011, 05:09:25 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 17, 2011, 12:44:09 AM
:(  Think I'm going to avoid air shows for a long, long while.
I said that the last time there was a huge accident at an air show, and the time before that, and the time before that, etc.

I remember there was this one in Germany in the 80s where like 100 people got killed.

Yeah, but IIRC, that one involved Italian pilots.
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: DGuller on September 17, 2011, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2011, 05:09:25 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 17, 2011, 12:44:09 AM
:(  Think I'm going to avoid air shows for a long, long while.
I said that the last time there was a huge accident at an air show, and the time before that, and the time before that, etc.

I remember there was this one in Germany in the 80s where like 100 people got killed.
There was one in my birth town of Lviv about 10 years ago.  About 80 people died in that one, there is even an extremely graphic video of it on the Internet.
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 17, 2011, 11:14:12 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 17, 2011, 11:10:33 AM
There was one in my birth town of Lviv about 10 years ago.  About 80 people died in that one, there is even an extremely graphic video of it on the Internet.

Yeah, I remember that one;  the fireball just consumed the spectators.  Didn't even get a chance to turn around and run.
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: DGuller on September 17, 2011, 11:20:43 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 17, 2011, 11:14:12 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 17, 2011, 11:10:33 AM
There was one in my birth town of Lviv about 10 years ago.  About 80 people died in that one, there is even an extremely graphic video of it on the Internet.

Yeah, I remember that one;  the fireball just consumed the spectators.  Didn't even get a chance to turn around and run.
The plane actually just scythed through most of them.  Unfortunately, the plane almost recovered from a stall before hitting the ground, which meant that instead of just hitting the ground and creating a hole in it, it glided across the ground, and the spectator section that was there.
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: Cecil on September 17, 2011, 11:25:47 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 17, 2011, 11:20:43 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 17, 2011, 11:14:12 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 17, 2011, 11:10:33 AM
There was one in my birth town of Lviv about 10 years ago.  About 80 people died in that one, there is even an extremely graphic video of it on the Internet.

Yeah, I remember that one;  the fireball just consumed the spectators.  Didn't even get a chance to turn around and run.
The plane actually just scythed through most of them.  Unfortunately, the plane almost recovered from a stall before hitting the ground, which meant that instead of just hitting the ground and creating a hole in it, it glided across the ground, and the spectator section that was there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RdY0EAkUaY

This one?

Oh crud...just watched the entire vid...
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: Martinus on September 17, 2011, 01:07:02 PM
I think there were like 3 or so accidents at air shows in Poland over the last few years, too. It seems like this is a significant risk - these planes are not perfectly new, and usually the pilots are old (or, as in one case in Poland, drunk). It's a bit like those people who watch car races by crowding around dangerous street corners. Taking your kids to something like that seems rather careless.
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: Martinus on September 17, 2011, 01:08:48 PM
Quote from: dps on September 17, 2011, 06:04:46 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2011, 05:09:25 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 17, 2011, 12:44:09 AM
:(  Think I'm going to avoid air shows for a long, long while.
I said that the last time there was a huge accident at an air show, and the time before that, and the time before that, etc.

I remember there was this one in Germany in the 80s where like 100 people got killed.

Yeah, but IIRC, that one involved Italian pilots.

Good they weren't American pilots - that way they would have also managed to kill people in some hanging train.
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: DGuller on September 17, 2011, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 17, 2011, 01:08:48 PM
Good they weren't American pilots - that way they would have also managed to kill people in some hanging train.
:huh: Marty, there are no hanging trains in Italy.  In fact, Italy doesn't have a death penalty at all.  I think you're talking about cable cars.
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on September 17, 2011, 01:51:22 PM
This particular event has a crash once in a while. It's fairly common, but usually not dangerous to so many people. Folks who live here have always had a pretty meh attitude toward air race crashes as a result. I bet that changes now.
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: Razgovory on September 17, 2011, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 17, 2011, 01:07:02 PM
I think there were like 3 or so accidents at air shows in Poland over the last few years, too. It seems like this is a significant risk - these planes are not perfectly new, and usually the pilots are old (or, as in one case in Poland, drunk). It's a bit like those people who watch car races by crowding around dangerous street corners. Taking your kids to something like that seems rather careless.


Could you post something that is not stupid once in while?  Just to shake things up?
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: Siege on September 17, 2011, 11:43:10 PM
It arrived to its Final Destination.

I guess the P51s are still good divers.

Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: barkdreg on September 18, 2011, 06:50:49 AM
I was sailing past Ostend when an Jordanian plane crashed there in 1997. Maybe 20 km of the crash an could still hear it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6vSM5rdUMg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6vSM5rdUMg)
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: Fireblade on September 18, 2011, 07:56:10 AM
Anyone want to start an awesome industrial band that sounds vaguely neo-Nazi to foreign ears?

I think we could name it.. Renno.
Title: Re: No, I was not at the air races today.
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 18, 2011, 08:30:45 AM
BTW, the one that Cal's referring to is the incident at Rammstein, IIRC.  The one the band took their name from and wrote a song about.