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Title: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Rasputin on September 11, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
When my father died at 48, my grandmother commented that "he was so young."  I never understood that comment back then because 48 seems so old to an 8 year old boy.

A decade ago I was 32 and my friend, and law partner, glenn was 40. Glenn seemed so much older and wiser than me. I'm now 42 and 40 no longer seems old and neither does 48 anymore.

Glenn was a regular guy and possibly even a bit of a stereo type. He was a New York jewish lawyer working in lower Manhattan. He had a beautiful girl friend and a very carefree lifestyle. I envied him a bit. His banking clients regularly needed him in North Florida, and we became drinking buddies. We would drink beer, talk football and women's body parts, and otherwise frivolously pass time.

Glenn was no hero -- just another regular guy trying to get through life and have some fun.  I was wrong about glenn. Usually when we are wrong about someone it's because we are disappointed by their failings as a person. In my case I'm both sad and proud to say that I under-estimated glenn and who he really was. As it turns out, he may have been the most selfless person I've ever known. Ten years ago today, after the towers were struck, my New York office evacuated. Everyone left on foot heading north. More accurately, everyone fled North except glenn. Although he'd never spoken to me about it, Glenn was an unpaid volunteer firefighter with the Jericho fire department on Long Island. The last time anyone who knew him spotted him he had approached a fire truck, identified himself, grabbed a mask and a medical kit and was heading into the towers. Dna matches identified glenn's partial remains in one of the towers in march 2002. 

I regretfully report that I only knew glenn as a lawyer and drinking buddy. I never saw the hero inside and yet it was clearly there.

Today I was watching the 9/11 memorial plaza ceremony on tv. In one of the "going to commercial" cut aways to the names on the wall, I saw "Jericho Fire Department Glenn J Winuk" . I concede that I cried. I dont really know why.  I'm not much of a crier. I can still count the times I've done so on one hand.  Glenn began September 11, 2001 as a nearly middle aged business lawyer. Today I learned that glenn will always be known to history as a firefighter. I am glad that glenn has been enshrined in memoriam as a firefighter; I suspect that this would have been his preference. And yet for those who knew him, he was so much more than a "firefighter". 

I suppose we all wonder what we would've done if we were there. Would we have had the courage to storm the cockpit or to run into the burning buildings?  I hope none of us ever needs to find out. I'm just proud that I knew a hero, and I am encouraged that in so many mundane respects he was just like all of the rest of us.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: The Brain on September 11, 2011, 10:05:40 AM
 :(
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: garbon on September 11, 2011, 10:32:57 AM
:(
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 11, 2011, 10:33:01 AM
That's a bummer.

But he's with his brothers now, and he will live forever.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Tamas on September 11, 2011, 11:05:25 AM
 :(
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: crazy canuck on September 11, 2011, 11:34:35 AM
Thank you for posting that.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Martinus on September 11, 2011, 11:40:47 AM
 :(
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Rasputin on September 11, 2011, 01:22:23 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 11, 2011, 11:34:35 AM
Thank you for posting that.
youre welcome. Ill edit it for grammar and punctuation etc when i get near a real computer.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: garbon on September 11, 2011, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on September 11, 2011, 01:22:23 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 11, 2011, 11:34:35 AM
Thank you for posting that.
youre welcome. Ill edit it for grammar and punctuation etc when i get near a real computer.

No worries. :hug:
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Rasputin on September 11, 2011, 04:06:15 PM
done; thanks
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Gaijin de Moscu on September 11, 2011, 04:19:57 PM
Thanks for posting, and condolences for your good friend.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Scipio on September 11, 2011, 04:26:42 PM
That's a hell of a story.  I'm glad I don't have a similar one; all of my friends and acquaintances who were in the area there survived, thank God.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Grey Fox on September 11, 2011, 04:52:24 PM
To Glenn : :cheers:

I'm in a permanent state of teary eye today.

The 10 year old kid who was naming victims & finish with his dad, broke me. I had to hold my daughter a good 10mins.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: PDH on September 11, 2011, 04:59:25 PM
I raise a glass to Glenn. 

I cannot know how people react (and I always hope I would react well), but when someone does their job calmly in face of horror and tries to save others, that person is a hero.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: crazy canuck on September 11, 2011, 07:44:13 PM
I am glad Rasputin posts this every year - at least I remember him posting this in past years.  Every year it has the same or maybe greater impact on me.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Rasputin on September 11, 2011, 09:01:27 PM
Ive posted glens story before. This year is different. This year i saw glen memorialized as. A firefighter in perpetuity and it just hit me different. A decade. Gives one added perspective.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: PDH on September 11, 2011, 09:14:42 PM
I hope you pour a measure over the stern as you return to port.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Rasputin on September 11, 2011, 09:19:26 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 11, 2011, 09:14:42 PM
I hope you pour a measure over the stern as you return to port.
i will tomorrow.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Jacob on September 11, 2011, 10:21:03 PM
Thanks for reminding us and remembering your friend. To Glen, and the ones like him :cheers:
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Habsburg on September 11, 2011, 11:33:03 PM
 :(

I admire your rememberance of Glen, Ras continue to post this as years go by.

I've been a misty eyed all weekend, finally had to turn if off.  Made the mistake of watching MSBNC's as it happened, went downhill from there.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: jimmy olsen on September 11, 2011, 11:47:11 PM
:(

I've been watching the tape of the broadcasts made that day, but it's this post that really hit me and brought the tears to my eyes.

Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: sbr on September 12, 2011, 12:14:13 AM
Quote from: PDH on September 11, 2011, 04:59:25 PM
I raise a glass to Glenn. 

I cannot know how people react (and I always hope I would react well), but when someone does their job calmly in face of horror and tries to save others, that person is a hero.

Indeed, great response to a moving post.

Thanks for sharing Glenn's story Ras.  I have head a lot of emotional stories this weekend but those with some bit of a personal connection, even if it is some other random person on the other end of the internet, have a much bigger impact than an 'anonymous' story. 

To Glenn and everyone, anywhere in the world, who put themselves into harms way to help and protect the rest of us. :cheers:
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Warspite on September 12, 2011, 06:56:52 AM
A very moving story, one I had not picked up here before. Thank you; I've shared it with some colleagues here at work too.

To Glen: :cheers:
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Rasputin on September 12, 2011, 07:36:54 AM
thanks to those who've posted...I appreciate the well wishes for glenn :cheers:
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: KRonn on September 12, 2011, 09:55:53 AM
Very nice post Rasputin. Sorry for your friend.   :(
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Zanza on September 12, 2011, 10:38:49 AM
I hadn't read the story here before, very moving.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Siege on September 12, 2011, 07:01:01 PM
But, I thought no jews died on 9/11, that they were warned not to go to work that day.


Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Rasputin on September 12, 2011, 08:41:00 PM
Your sarcasm, while well intended, is both misplaced and in danger of marginalizing you in much the way that miska grishkan became the epitome of a one trick pony. Sometimes less is really more.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: PDH on September 12, 2011, 10:01:05 PM
To get this back on track, my grandfather used to sail with a gent who fought in the Battle of Britain (he flew a hurricane - he never told me as a young boy if he had shot down any planes).

When he died in the mid 1970s they took his ashes out beyond the Golden Gate and buried him at sea.  Then, as the boat rounded the breakwater to power into the St Francis Yacht Club, my grandfather poured out a measure of brandy for all on board and the last went over the stern.

That left a great impression on me. A hero should be remembered.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Rasputin on September 13, 2011, 04:38:59 AM
Pdh

I couldnt agree more. What a nice story.
Title: Re: sometimes people are not what they seem
Post by: Martinus on September 13, 2011, 05:12:10 AM
Quote from: PDH on September 12, 2011, 10:01:05 PM
To get this back on track, my grandfather used to sail with a gent who fought in the Battle of Britain (he flew a hurricane - he never told me as a young boy if he had shot down any planes).

When he died in the mid 1970s they took his ashes out beyond the Golden Gate and buried him at sea.  Then, as the boat rounded the breakwater to power into the St Francis Yacht Club, my grandfather poured out a measure of brandy for all on board and the last went over the stern.

That left a great impression on me. A hero should be remembered.

That's cool, in a pagan sort of way. Nice one.