10 years on many Afghans haven't heard about the events of 9/11, a photographer and US soldiers try to explain to ordinary Afghans, soldiers and policemen why they're in Afghanistan.
Video is just 5 minutes long:
http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/100911/clipid/100911_4onafghan911 (http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/100911/clipid/100911_4onafghan911)
They don't know and, quite frankly even if they did, they wouldn't care.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 06:54:21 PM
They don't know and, quite frankly even if they did, they wouldn't care.
:yes:
So the average Afghan is ignorant, isolated, and probably fundamentally stupid? I already knew that.
Quote from: Ideologue on September 10, 2011, 09:24:53 PM
So the average Afghan is ignorant, isolated, and probably fundamentally stupid? I already knew that.
Just like people in Arkansas.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 06:54:21 PM
They don't know and, quite frankly even if they did, they wouldn't care.
They would also harp on the fact that the criminals responsible were Saudi nationals.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 10, 2011, 10:36:53 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 06:54:21 PM
They don't know and, quite frankly even if they did, they wouldn't care.
They would also harp on the fact that the criminals responsible were Saudi nationals.
No they wouldn't, because they wouldn't know what the fuck a Saudi is.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 06:54:21 PM
They don't know and, quite frankly even if they did, they wouldn't care.
Why would they care? How many people here care that in the current bout of famine, nearly 30,000 Somali children died so far?
Quote from: Martinus on September 11, 2011, 02:35:54 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 06:54:21 PM
They don't know and, quite frankly even if they did, they wouldn't care.
Why would they care? How many people here care that in the current bout of famine, nearly 30,000 Somali children died so far?
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I'm sorry, without context, Meryl's expression is telling me nothing.
Well, I don't care either - I'm just grated by American exceptionalism.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 11, 2011, 02:58:20 AM
I'm sorry, without context, Meryl's expression is telling me nothing.
You havent seen the movie???
Somali famines have been done to death.
Quote from: Martinus on September 11, 2011, 02:59:23 AM
Well, I don't care either - I'm just grated by American exceptionalism.
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This thing is getting old.
Quote from: Martinus on September 11, 2011, 02:59:54 AM
You havent seen the movie???
I have actually(assuming that's The Devil Wears Prada), I just don't remember it that well. I know her character was a super-bitch.
What's the point of this thread? Whether or not the average Afghan is aware of why U.S. troops are in the country has no bearing on the question of whether or not we're justified in being there.
Quote from: Martinus on September 11, 2011, 02:35:54 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 06:54:21 PM
They don't know and, quite frankly even if they did, they wouldn't care.
Why would they care? How many people here care that in the current bout of famine, nearly 30,000 Somali children died so far?
:lol: And you're doing what about that exactly, Mr. World Conscience?
Quote from: dps on September 11, 2011, 05:16:24 AM
What's the point of this thread? Whether or not the average Afghan is aware of why U.S. troops are in the country has no bearing on the question of whether or not we're justified in being there.
Honestly, I don't care if they know or not. What they do need to know is that we're there to kill their little Taliban buddies.
And to stop shooting guns in the air at weddings when CAP aircraft are overhead.
Hey, somebody remembered!
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KABUL, Afghanistan — Nearly 80 American soldiers were wounded and two Afghan civilians were killed in a Taliban truck bombing targeting an American base in eastern Afghanistan, NATO said Sunday, a stark reminder that the war in Afghanistan still rages 10 years after the Sept. 11 terror attacks against the United States.
The blast, which occurred late Saturday, shaved the facades from shops outside the Combat Outpost Sayed Abad in Wardak province and broke windows in government offices nearby, said Roshana Wardak, a former parliamentarian who runs a clinic in the nearby town of the same name. The Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack.
In a statement emailed to media, the Taliban accused the United States of using the Sept. 11 attacks as a pretext to invade Afghanistan and said the international community was responsible for killing thousands of Afghans during the invasion and ensuing occupation.
"Each year, 9/11 reminds the Afghans of an event in which they had no role whatsoever," the Taliban said. "American colonialism has shed the blood of tens of thousands of miserable and innocent Afghans."
Quote from: dps on September 11, 2011, 05:16:24 AM
What's the point of this thread? Whether or not the average Afghan is aware of why U.S. troops are in the country has no bearing on the question of whether or not we're justified in being there.
It is mongers, why would you ask such a question?
9/11 TV archive :(
http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 11, 2011, 06:28:29 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 11, 2011, 02:35:54 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 06:54:21 PM
They don't know and, quite frankly even if they did, they wouldn't care.
Why would they care? How many people here care that in the current bout of famine, nearly 30,000 Somali children died so far?
:lol: And you're doing what about that exactly, Mr. World Conscience?
I'm sure he has joined at least one Facebook group.
Quote from: Habsburg on September 11, 2011, 02:56:16 AM
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that was perfect.
Quote from: Martinus on September 11, 2011, 02:59:23 AM
Well, I don't care either - I'm just grated by American exceptionalism.
On the other hand, we find Polish incompetence incredibly amusing.
This was in the paper today (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016171004_copworkshop11m.html):
QuoteFBI agents participating in an outreach workshop Saturday hoped to improve their relationship with Seattle's Muslim, Arab, East African and Sikh communities, but ended up offending some participants.
About 20 community leaders attended the workshop at North Seattle Community College, which featured presentations by the FBI, Seattle police and the U.S. Attorney's Office. The event was aimed at improving communication and building trust between law enforcement and communities that feel targeted and profiled by authorities.
A Seattle Police Department presentation on the rights of citizens when approached by an officer was well-received.
But the event grew confrontational during the FBI's presentation, which community members complained was too focused on Islamic terrorist groups. Then, the agents showed a PowerPoint slide about state-sponsored terrorism that included a photograph of a man many in the audience believed was a Shia Islamic leader based on his clothes. Several people in the audience asked whether it was Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, a political and religious leader who led the 1979 Iranian Revolution and died in 1989.
The photo was small, and the two FBI agents giving the presentation said they didn't know who it was. That offended members of the audience even more, and one of them compared it to calling the pope a terrorist or serving pork to Muslims.
Afterward, event organizer Amin Odeh said he'd have to do "damage control" to try to explain to the community what happened.
"I was ready to walk out, but this is exactly why we need to do things like this," he said. "Maybe in their eyes they're small things, but to the community they're huge things."
Turnout to the event was small. Distrust of law enforcement is so fierce that some Muslims refused to attend, said Jeff Siddiqui, a Pakistani-American and Lynnwood real-estate agent who is a member of American Muslims of Puget Sound.
"Most Muslims are not coming because they feel that the door is closed to them, so why would they come to a PR class?" he said.
While the Muslim community's relationship with city government has improved under Mayor Mike McGinn, Siddiqui said those in the Muslim community do not enjoy the same relationship with Police Chief John Diaz.
A Police Department detective at the meeting weighed in on the FBI's presentation, explaining that whoever was in the photograph, "The community is tired of seeing their images represented" in presentations about terrorism.
The FBI presentation was led by Seattle agents Brenda Wilson and Daniel Guerrero. They wouldn't comment to the media afterward, but during a question-and-answer session they told community leaders they welcomed their feedback.
Guerrero said the reason the FBI came to the meeting was to hear from community members. He acknowledged the FBI is "an agency of people" and is therefore imperfect.
"First of all, the FBI does not profile," he said. "We don't target because of religion. We don't target because of race. We don't care about that. We care about protecting America."
Many attendees said they have had bad experiences with the FBI, so the agent's denial that profiling ever occurs undermined the rest of the conversation.
"When you say you don't profile — and our reality is you do — you negate everything else you say," Siddiqui told them.
:osama:
LOL, FBI. Famous But Incompetent. It never changes.
I get offended every time the cops try to profile serial killers. Since I am a mid-30s unmarried white male I think they should spend the same amount of time on little grandmothers.
Why would anyone call the Pope a terrorist when Nazi pedophile is correct?
Quote from: The Brain on September 11, 2011, 12:20:00 PM
Why would anyone call the Pope a terrorist when Nazi pedophile is correct?
I thought he was a Sith Lord?... :mellow:
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on September 11, 2011, 12:32:58 PM
Quote from: The Brain on September 11, 2011, 12:20:00 PM
Why would anyone call the Pope a terrorist when Nazi pedophile is correct?
I thought he was a Sith Lord?... :mellow:
He's a man of many feces.
Quote from: The Brain on September 11, 2011, 12:43:11 PM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on September 11, 2011, 12:32:58 PM
Quote from: The Brain on September 11, 2011, 12:20:00 PM
Why would anyone call the Pope a terrorist when Nazi pedophile is correct?
I thought he was a Sith Lord?... :mellow:
He's a man of many feces.
I didn't know he was Austrian.
Quote from: mongers on September 10, 2011, 06:47:07 PM
10 years on many Afghans haven't heard about the events of 9/11, a photographer and US soldiers try to explain to ordinary Afghans, soldiers and policemen why they're in Afghanistan.
Video is just 5 minutes long:
http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/100911/clipid/100911_4onafghan911 (http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/100911/clipid/100911_4onafghan911)
Really we have a thread about 9/11 ten years later and this is what comes to mind?
Today we were busy helping all the refugees from the fires that are destroying homes across Texas so it had sort of the feeling of invoking the spirit of that day in our work. Alot of things have happened in this country and the world since then. It is kind of amazing what a different era we stepped into.
I have a sense of disappointment when I reflect on that day 10 years ago. A horrible thing happened and it continues to be a bad thing as we work through the consequences. The other negative is this narcissistic attitude where people act like 'OMG this happened in AMERICA' as if the USA is somehow on a different planet where bad stuff never happens is also kind of odd. Fortunately the media usually spews stuff like that. Most people I talk to have it in good perspective generally. Life is full of challenges and we need to meet them with the most courage and decency we can muster I guess is what I take from it.
QuoteI have a sense of disappointment when I reflect on that day 10 years ago.
I get incredibly pissed off.
Our narcissism is backed with nuclear weapons.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 11, 2011, 08:05:17 PM
QuoteI have a sense of disappointment when I reflect on that day 10 years ago.
I get incredibly pissed off.
I just get sad. I was watching it on cnn that day. I was not really taking it in until the 2nd tower collapsed. About 10 minutes later they managed to send a camera crew somewhat close. Apparently firefighters wear some sort of electronic device that emits a beep beep sound when they stop moving. The whole area was deathly quiet, except for dozens and dozens of those beeping things all around the rubble. That's when it sunk in, like a punch in the gut.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 11, 2011, 09:14:49 PM
Apparently firefighters wear some sort of electronic device that emits a beep beep sound when they stop moving. The whole area was deathly quiet, except for dozens and dozens of those beeping things all around the rubble. That's when it sunk in, like a punch in the gut.
Hundreds of duress transmitters. And not a single firefighter to be found.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 11, 2011, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 11, 2011, 09:14:49 PM
Apparently firefighters wear some sort of electronic device that emits a beep beep sound when they stop moving. The whole area was deathly quiet, except for dozens and dozens of those beeping things all around the rubble. That's when it sunk in, like a punch in the gut.
Hundreds of duress transmitters. And not a single firefighter to be found.
:(
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/091101rescuers.html
Anyways, my memories for what it's worth.
I was 19 and at Bard College, and had just arrived in the school cafeteria that morning. I vaguely heard something on the radio, a plane had hit the WTC. Was still half asleep so I wasn't really listening and thought it must have been a small plane or something.
Got to the tables and saw the TV. Can't remember if I saw the 2nd plane hit or not, I saw the replays of that so many times that day that it's a bit of a blur. I distinctly remember watching the 2nd Tower collapse. I was with a professor I worked for when the 1st collapsed so I didn't see that one happen live.
A lot of students were from or had parents/siblings working in NYC and they were sobbing uncontrollably.
I remember watching the news in the campus movie theater. The image of the 2nd plane impacting on that big screen is indelibly seared into my mind. Remember Senator Dodd comparing it to Pearl Harbor and some kid yelling out incredulously something like "they're not going to start a war are they" and myself thinking "you're a god damned moron if you think this isn't gonna start a war".
You know, I found I simply could not watch the endless 9/11 rememberances that my wife was very interested in. I remember 9/11 very well - and visiting NYC for 11/11 brought it home very strongly. It just made me very uncomfortable to watch.
:mellow:
I have refused to watch most of the coverage, not much desire to relive that day though I haven't been able to avoid everything. I don't live in a vacuum though. I thought the NFL did a very nice job today without going over the top.
I posted this elsewhere about where I was that day (straight copy/paste):
I am a contractor, an electrician actually, and I was on my way to work at the Portland Airport, they were just finishing up building a new terminal and we needed to finish working on the new security checkpoint and x-ray machines; the attacks happened right around 6AM here on the west coast.
Just as I was parking at the shop to meet the guy I was riding in with I heard the guy on the radio mention something about a plane hitting a World Trade Tower; to be honest I thought so little about it that I forgot until about 30 minutes later as we were getting close to the airport. I mentioned what I heard to the guy was riding with and he turned on the radio where we heard about the second plane and the fact that there were other 'missing' planes in the sky. I figured there is no way they were going to let us into the airport through the contractor's entrance but we showed our badges and were waved right though and onto the tarmac like nothing was wrong.
Once we got to our parking place and got inside the terminal things were already pretty insane, by this time all outbound flights had been canceled and the airport was absolutely swimming in people with no where to go and no idea what was going on. Most everyone, including all of the construction workers there, were in a coffee shop or restaurant watching the TVs. About an hour after we got there our boss called and told us to get the hell out of there since no one still had any idea what was going on. That was the best idea I had ever heard so I had tools put away and ladders chained up in record time when we found out the customer was insisting we stay and finish the job. :huh:. Unfortunately we didn't have much choice so we pulled everything back out and went back to work.
The entire day was surreal, it is amazing how much of that day I remember compared to a normal day. Me and my kids were living with my folks at the time and my mom's family was in town from St Louis, they were supposed to leave two days later but ended up stranded in Portland for almost an extra week.. It was my grandma's birthday and I remember how bad I felt for here even though she was like 80. The most horrifying thing was sitting on the couch with my uncle and seeing the 'replays' of the people jumping out of the windows from the 100th floor or something; I can't imagine a situation where that is your best choice. My kids were 7 and almost 6 and I asked if they talked about it in school that day and they did a little bit but obviously not much. The kids mom came to pick them up and I couldn't deal with it anymore and I went upstairs and played my brand new PS2 game Dark Cloud the rest of the night.