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Knowing what you know now, if you could go back in time to 2008 and the only choices for US president were Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, which would you choose?

Hillary.  Why not?  Barry has not been anything for the history books so far.

can't stand hilary.

I voted for Obama in the caucus, but if I had it to do over again I think I'd go with Hillary and give Barack another couple terms in the Senate before sending him up. For some reason I just really didn't like her back then.

The one with balls.  Hill.

Quote from: HVC on September 08, 2011, 10:30:07 PM
can't stand hilary.

:lol:

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 08, 2011, 10:36:34 PM
I voted for Obama in the caucus, but if I had it to do over again I think I'd go with Hillary and give Barack another couple terms in the Senate before sending him up. For some reason I just really didn't like her back then.

Same, except replace "election" for caucus.

B. H. Obama.

I didn't vote, but that would have been a tough decision for me.  On the one hand, I hate parvenus.  On the other, I don't believe that a woman can make a good political leader.

Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2011, 11:11:36 PM
I didn't vote, but that would have been a tough decision for me.  On the one hand, I hate parvenus.  On the other, I don't believe that a woman can make a good political leader.

Not a fan of Thatcher?

Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 08, 2011, 11:25:33 PM

Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2011, 11:11:36 PM
I didn't vote, but that would have been a tough decision for me.  On the one hand, I hate parvenus.  On the other, I don't believe that a woman can make a good political leader.

Not a fan of Thatcher?

She turned out alright, but I'm still opposed in principle.

Hill.

Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2011, 11:31:58 PM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 08, 2011, 11:25:33 PM

Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2011, 11:11:36 PM
I didn't vote, but that would have been a tough decision for me.  On the one hand, I hate parvenus.  On the other, I don't believe that a woman can make a good political leader.

Not a fan of Thatcher?

She turned out alright, but I'm still opposed in principle.

What about as Queens?

Quote from: Razgovory on September 08, 2011, 11:48:05 PM

Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2011, 11:31:58 PM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 08, 2011, 11:25:33 PM

Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2011, 11:11:36 PM
I didn't vote, but that would have been a tough decision for me.  On the one hand, I hate parvenus.  On the other, I don't believe that a woman can make a good political leader.

Not a fan of Thatcher?

She turned out alright, but I'm still opposed in principle.

What about as Queens?

The Monarch is apolitical.

Obama. Like a chick in college we have now had a black man so we can put that shit behind us. There will always be time for a woman president.

Hillary was the right choice then, and she's the right choice now.

Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2011, 11:51:03 PM

Quote from: Razgovory on September 08, 2011, 11:48:05 PM

Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2011, 11:31:58 PM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 08, 2011, 11:25:33 PM

Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2011, 11:11:36 PM
I didn't vote, but that would have been a tough decision for me.  On the one hand, I hate parvenus.  On the other, I don't believe that a woman can make a good political leader.

Not a fan of Thatcher?

She turned out alright, but I'm still opposed in principle.

What about as Queens?

The Monarch is apolitical.

What about Queens that weren't like Elizabeth I or Isabella of Castile?

Hillary.  Why not?

Black Messiah losing some luster..Eh. Where are all the believers now... "Yes We Can, Yes We Can" :lmfao:. You all drank the Kool-Aid so choke on it.

Hillary would do no better. It's the whole system not just one person...Sods

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 09, 2011, 12:11:44 AM
Hillary was the right choice then, and she's the right choice now.

Garbon was right.  I should have listened to him. :(  I wasn't initially impressed with Obama.  I do remember you posting an article about him before he ran suggesting he could be the first black President.  What I remember was that his big issue when running in the primary was that he opposed the Iraq War from the start.  That didn't impress me, since it's easy to oppose something when you have no say in it.  I liked the fat Mexican, but he never got much traction.  I worried if we nominated Hilliary it would be a repeat of the1990's with rampant conspiracy mongering amongst conservatives and them blocking everything the President did.  I guess I assumed the problem was Clinton and not the GOP.  How foolish of me.  Now we have rampant conspiracy mongering and blocking all over again.  Some of it by the same people who claimed that Clinton killed Vince Foster (and numerous other people), now claim that Obama is actually a Kenyan national.  I'll never trust conservatives to be rational again.

Quote from: 11B4V on September 09, 2011, 01:21:56 AM
Black Messiah losing some luster..Eh. Where are all the believers now... "Yes We Can, Yes We Can" :lmfao:. You all drank the Kool-Aid so choke on it.

Hillary would do no better. It's the whole system not just one person...Sods

I wonder how that "Black Messiah", thing got started in conservative circles.  I think it had to do with that Jesus Camp movie.  The film of children praying to a cardboard cutout of GWB disturbed a lot of conservatives and they felt the need to project it back on their enemies.

Quote from: Razgovory on September 09, 2011, 01:27:35 AM

Quote from: 11B4V on September 09, 2011, 01:21:56 AM
Black Messiah losing some luster..Eh. Where are all the believers now... "Yes We Can, Yes We Can" :lmfao:. You all drank the Kool-Aid so choke on it.

Hillary would do no better. It's the whole system not just one person...Sods

I wonder how that "Black Messiah", thing got started in conservative circles.  I think it had to do with that Jesus Camp movie.  The film of children praying to a cardboard cutout of GWB disturbed a lot of conservatives and they felt the need to project it back on their enemies.

Matters not. I hope he gets another four years.

Obama.

B. Hussein

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 09, 2011, 12:11:44 AM
Hillary was the right choice then, and she's the right choice now.

:yes:  You, me, and garbo all said it repeatedly at the time, too. :smarty:

Quote from: The Brain on September 09, 2011, 12:09:49 AM
Obama. Like a chick in college we have now had a black man so we can put that shit behind us. There will always be time for a woman president.

Didn't know you were a chick in college.  Were you HOTT?  If so, got pics?

hillary, of course. not that i mind barry, but i think she could would have been a superb president

the funny thing is, i really thought at the time that that obama might have been a democratic foil designed to make hillary look reasonable....and he did :wacko:

Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 09, 2011, 01:00:01 AM

Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2011, 11:51:03 PM

Quote from: Razgovory on September 08, 2011, 11:48:05 PM

Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2011, 11:31:58 PM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 08, 2011, 11:25:33 PM

Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2011, 11:11:36 PM
I didn't vote, but that would have been a tough decision for me.  On the one hand, I hate parvenus.  On the other, I don't believe that a woman can make a good political leader.

Not a fan of Thatcher?

She turned out alright, but I'm still opposed in principle.

What about as Queens?

The Monarch is apolitical.

What about Queens that weren't like Elizabeth I or Isabella of Castile?

Opposed, although I can see why someone like Elizabeth might have been necessary (curbing the evils of Catholicism).

Quote from: grumbler on September 09, 2011, 06:38:34 AM

Quote from: The Brain on September 09, 2011, 12:09:49 AM
Obama. Like a chick in college we have now had a black man so we can put that shit behind us. There will always be time for a woman president.

Didn't know you were a chick in college.  Were you HOTT?  If so, got pics?

No pics. I looked like Scarlett.

It's easy to say that Hillary would do better than Obama, just because Obama proved to be so inept at handling frothing Republicans, but Hillary didn't get a chance to show what she would've done in his place.  I also think it would be unfair to penalize Obama for being black, and it's his being black that inspired so much of pure insanity from the right.  I also think that a president should be a good manager, and mismanaging your primary campaign is not a sign of being a good manager.

Quote from: Caliga on September 09, 2011, 04:57:48 AM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 09, 2011, 12:11:44 AM
Hillary was the right choice then, and she's the right choice now.

:yes:  You, me, and garbo all said it repeatedly at the time, too. :smarty:

Garbo is a self loathing GOPtard. What's with the Hillary fetishism?

Anyway. Obama then, Obama now, Obama forever.  :cool:

Hillary. I didn't like her but that was a while ago, before she was a Senator. During the Presidential run of 2008 I would have preferred her over Obama.

I am not amused by this thread.

Quote from: garbon on September 09, 2011, 10:57:23 AM
I am not amused by this thread.

Sorry man.  From now on I will heed your advice in all political things.

Unless you back Perry.  Then you are dead to me.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 09, 2011, 12:11:44 AM
Hillary was the right choice then, and she's the right choice now.

Raciss.

Quote from: garbon on September 09, 2011, 10:57:23 AM
I am not amused by this thread.

Don't you feel:  vindicated?

Quote from: 11B4V on September 09, 2011, 01:21:56 AM
Black Messiah losing some luster..Eh. Where are all the believers now... "Yes We Can, Yes We Can" :lmfao:. You all drank the Kool-Aid so choke on it.

Hillary would do no better. It's the whole system not just one person...Sods

You know, it's not like I suddenly wish I'd voted for McCain.

I'd vote for Kucinich over any Republican.

And to be honest, I don't necessarily believe that Clinton would've done a better job.  Obama's problems have largely been external to himself, although he might have handled them with more strength.  Basically, if I had the option to redo, I'd go with Clinton just to see what happened.  It's unlikely to be worse.

Quote from: 11B4V on September 09, 2011, 01:21:56 AM
Black Messiah losing some luster..Eh.

Black Messiah?  :lmfao:    Man, you bought more than was being sold!

Hillary with Obama as VP.

I really thought he would prove more decisive than he did - so far.  Being willing to compromise, to meet the opposition somewhere in the middle is wise, except when you're facing zealots dead set on refusing any ouvertures you might make - about any subject on the agenda.

And in hindsight burning all his political capital on a watered down healthcare reform was a huge mistake.




G.

Quote from: Razgovory on September 09, 2011, 01:27:35 AM
I wonder how that "Black Messiah", thing got started in conservative circles. 

I think Hillary herself had a hand in that.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/clinton-turns-from-anger-to-sarcasm/

QuoteI think it had to do with that Jesus Camp movie.  The film of children praying to a cardboard cutout of GWB disturbed a lot of conservatives and they felt the need to project it back on their enemies.

You'd like to think that, I'm sure.  Most of us didn't pay much attention to the movie, either way.

It's pretty obvious where the messiah crap came from, isn't it? I mean seriously.  :lol:

Anyway, the true messiach was John Edwards.  And, as might be expected, you people crucified him because you knew not what you did. :(

Obama.

Edit:  Of course the real answer is Biden :wub:

Quote from: Ideologue on September 09, 2011, 12:25:52 PM
Anyway, the true messiach was John Edwards.  And, as might be expected, you people crucified him because you knew not what you did. :(

'ol Johnny boy is gonna get poked in the ass a lot pretty soon.

He forgives you.

Quote from: Ideologue on September 09, 2011, 12:25:52 PM
Anyway, the true messiach was John Edwards.  And, as might be expected, you people crucified him because you knew not what you did. :(

These days, I try not to admit that I voted for him. He came third in the caucus, so I had to vote again for someone else. I went with the angry screaming college kids and not the friendly grandmas who were getting things thrown at them.


The caucus concept is fundamentally flawed I think.

Quote from: Ideologue on September 09, 2011, 12:36:30 PM
He forgives you.

I don't forgive him. Sure, I would've cheated on that cow Elizabeth too. Still, he is a lawyer and therefore, scum.

You know, if he didn't hate war so much, I really would like to vote Kucinich.

Well, I was with you up until that.  :P

Quote from: Sheilbh on September 09, 2011, 12:27:08 PM
Obama.

Edit:  Of course the real answer is Biden :wub:

He would've been more entertaining, at least.  But oddly enough, I feel a lot safer with Obama in the Oval Office than if Biden were there.  I seriously doubt that guy's sanity.

Quote from: Ideologue on September 09, 2011, 12:44:08 PM
You know, if he didn't hate war so much, I really would like to vote Kucinich.

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I SAID "IF."

Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2011, 12:22:11 PM


You'd like to think that, I'm sure.  Most of us didn't pay much attention to the movie, either way.

Yes, Breitbart and the like do hard work to steer you away from things that might bother you like that.  But the strategists are a bit different.

Quote from: Valmy on September 09, 2011, 11:03:29 AM
Unless you back Perry.  Then you are dead to me.

:x

Do give me some credit!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/poll-third-americans-believe-clinton-ve-better-president-152358495.html

Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2011, 12:50:05 PM

Quote from: Sheilbh on September 09, 2011, 12:27:08 PM
Obama.

Edit:  Of course the real answer is Biden :wub:

He would've been more entertaining, at least.  But oddly enough, I feel a lot safer with Obama in the Oval Office than if Biden were there.  I seriously doubt that guy's sanity.

His Afghan policy would have been the correct one.

Quote from: citizen k on September 16, 2011, 01:12:56 PM

Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2011, 12:50:05 PM

Quote from: Sheilbh on September 09, 2011, 12:27:08 PM
Obama.

Edit:  Of course the real answer is Biden :wub:

He would've been more entertaining, at least.  But oddly enough, I feel a lot safer with Obama in the Oval Office than if Biden were there.  I seriously doubt that guy's sanity.

His Afghan policy would have been the correct one.

Which one?

Thought this was relevant to the thread: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-16/clinton-popularity-prompts-some-remorse-poll.html

Wonder how many phone calls she's getting asking her to make a primary run?  More than McCain, I'm sure :D

Quote from: derspiess on September 16, 2011, 04:22:57 PM
Wonder how many phone calls she's getting asking her to make a primary run?  More than McCain, I'm sure :D

Romney campaign operatives hard at work.

Quote from: derspiess on September 16, 2011, 04:22:57 PM
Thought this was relevant to the thread: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-16/clinton-popularity-prompts-some-remorse-poll.html

Wonder how many phone calls she's getting asking her to make a primary run?  More than McCain, I'm sure :D

That's the article cited in my link that bumped this thread back to the first page. :P

Quote from: derspiess on September 16, 2011, 04:22:57 PM
Thought this was relevant to the thread: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-16/clinton-popularity-prompts-some-remorse-poll.html

It's easy to be a popular foreign minister.  It's a job that lets you look like a statesman and avoid the grubby vagaries of domestic politics.  I think that helps with independents especially.

It helps that Clinton's been an outstanding SoS.

Quote from: citizen k on September 16, 2011, 01:12:56 PM

Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2011, 12:50:05 PM

Quote from: Sheilbh on September 09, 2011, 12:27:08 PM
Obama.

Edit:  Of course the real answer is Biden :wub:

He would've been more entertaining, at least.  But oddly enough, I feel a lot safer with Obama in the Oval Office than if Biden were there.  I seriously doubt that guy's sanity.

His Afghan policy would have been the correct one.

So would his Iraq policy.  Only handing over a 1/3 of it to Tehran, not the whole thing.

Not sure why Hillary would have been better, given what we know about the last years. If anything, considering that the GOP seems intent on a conflict, I think Hillary would make an easier target.

Quote from: derspiess on September 16, 2011, 03:02:08 PM

Quote from: citizen k on September 16, 2011, 01:12:56 PM

Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2011, 12:50:05 PM

Quote from: Sheilbh on September 09, 2011, 12:27:08 PM
Obama.

Edit:  Of course the real answer is Biden :wub:

He would've been more entertaining, at least.  But oddly enough, I feel a lot safer with Obama in the Oval Office than if Biden were there.  I seriously doubt that guy's sanity.

His Afghan policy would have been the correct one.

Which one?

No dogs in the living room.