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Title: How remote is our world?
Post by: Grey Fox on April 22, 2009, 07:40:55 AM
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227041.500-wheres-the-remotest-place-on-earth.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227041.500-wheres-the-remotest-place-on-earth.html)

QuoteSO YOU'VE hitch-hiked through Central America, stalked rare beasts in Madagascar and trekked your way through northern Chile. You're pretty well travelled, even if you do say so yourself. Before you get ideas about being an intrepid explorer, however, consider this. For all their wide open spaces and seeming wildernesses, none of these places can be described as remote in 2009.

In fact, very little of the world's land can now be thought of as inaccessible, according to a new map of connectedness created by researchers at the European Commission's Joint Research Centre in Ispra, Italy, and the World Bank.

Explore the maps

The maps are based on a model which calculated how long it would take to travel to the nearest city of 50,000 or more people by land or water. The model combines information on terrain and access to road, rail and river networks (see the maps). It also considers how factors such as altitude, steepness of terrain and hold-ups like border crossings slow travel.

Plotted onto a map, the results throw up surprises. First, less than 10 per cent of the world's land is more than 48 hours of ground-based travel from the nearest city. What's more, many areas considered remote and inaccessible are not as far from civilisation as you might think. In the Amazon, for example, extensive river networks and an increasing number of roads mean that only 20 per cent of the land is more than two days from a city - around the same proportion as Canada's Quebec province.

China's flourishing export trade is clearly seen, with some of the world's busiest shipping lanes
The maps were created to show how the distribution of people affects their access to resources such as education and medical care, and how we are increasingly pushing wildlife out of even the wildest corners of our planet. And with this as a baseline, Alan Belward, who leads the project, hopes to follow how emerging economies will change the face of the world, for better or for worse: "The true value will be in doing the map again."

Maps : http://www.newscientist.com/gallery/small-world/ (http://www.newscientist.com/gallery/small-world/)

A River Map. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newscientist.com%2Fdata%2Fimages%2Fns%2Fcms%2Fmg20227041.500%2Fmg20227041.500-6_1000.jpg&hash=5a632a60ce83110a2cfa281865146f3e66c663ec)

Damn Spain as a lot of Rivers.

Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: Iormlund on April 22, 2009, 08:21:40 AM
:unsure:
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: garbon on April 22, 2009, 09:27:28 AM
Carmen San Diego took them. :weep:
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: Valmy on April 22, 2009, 09:29:59 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 22, 2009, 09:27:28 AM
Carmen San Diego took them. :weep:

Well she did manage to steal all the geysers in Iceland once.
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: Caliga on April 22, 2009, 09:35:41 AM
I always wondered how she was in the sack.  :)
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: Malthus on April 22, 2009, 09:36:59 AM
I think the map overstates the ability to navagate in certain areas. For example, I've travelled in places that on the map are coloured as being less than two days away, and on the Canadian shield it would only be true if one assumes that you don't need to portage - that you could go by motorboat to a car the whole way. But the shield lakes & rivers are not so easily navagable, often you can't really do that.
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: Valmy on April 22, 2009, 09:38:45 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 22, 2009, 09:35:41 AM
I always wondered how she was in the sack.  :)

She will make off with your genitalia.
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: garbon on April 22, 2009, 09:38:46 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 22, 2009, 09:29:59 AM
Well she did manage to steal all the geysers in Iceland once.

She stole major parts of planets and asteroid belts in Where in Space :)
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: Ed Anger on April 22, 2009, 09:39:24 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 22, 2009, 09:38:45 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 22, 2009, 09:35:41 AM
I always wondered how she was in the sack.  :)

She will make off with your genitalia.

Ah, her real name is Lorena then.
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: lustindarkness on April 22, 2009, 10:17:11 AM
it's a world of laughter, a world or tears
its a world of hopes, its a world of fear
theres so much that we share
that its time we're aware
its a small world after all

CHORUS:
its a small world after all
its a small world after all
its a small world after all
its a small, small world

There is just one moon and one golden sun
And a smile means friendship to everyone.
Though the mountains divide
And the oceans are wide
It's a small small world

(chorus)
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: saskganesh on April 22, 2009, 12:07:04 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2009, 09:36:59 AM
I think the map overstates the ability to navagate in certain areas. For example, I've travelled in places that on the map are coloured as being less than two days away, and on the Canadian shield it would only be true if one assumes that you don't need to portage - that you could go by motorboat to a car the whole way. But the shield lakes & rivers are not so easily navagable, often you can't really do that.

the lines of course are drawn for impact, not to scale. and many of those routes are seasonal and weather challenged.

and some of the roads look like below. and that's probably a good stretch. of course, this road is unusual as its paved. 

Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: MadImmortalMan on April 22, 2009, 12:39:02 PM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newscientist.com%2Fdata%2Fimages%2Fns%2Fcms%2Fmg20227041.500%2Fmg20227041.500-1_1000.jpg&hash=50a3ee21b03336c67b7136c57d540687b92720d0)
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: Iormlund on April 22, 2009, 01:36:35 PM
Am I the only one who's pltting intercept vectors on those convoys here?
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: Caliga on April 22, 2009, 01:55:57 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on April 22, 2009, 01:36:35 PM
Am I the only one who's pltting intercept vectors on those convoys here?

No.  It is critical that my supply of miniature American flags made in China and sold at Wal-Mart under the "MADE IN USA BUY AMERICAN" label is unimpeded.  :mad:
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: jimmy olsen on April 22, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
Cool map, looks like the world is covered in molten rock.
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: Neil on April 22, 2009, 09:17:55 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 22, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
Cool map, looks like the world is covered in molten rock.
Except not at all.  The lava is in the wrong places.
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 22, 2009, 09:25:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 22, 2009, 09:17:55 PM
Except not at all.  The lava is in the wrong places.
Yeah. If the land colors were inverted it would be a lot closer, since magma would supercool when it came into contact with a large body of cold water and form obsidian outlines.

On-topic: I think it's a little misleading. There's no gradation to show how navigable a waterway is; depending on the navigability of a river, it could introduce extra travel time. The same goes for condition of roads: their existence might shorten travel time, but poorer roads would need to be traveled at a slower rate.
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: Alatriste on April 23, 2009, 04:52:06 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 22, 2009, 07:40:55 AM
Damn Spain as a lot of Rivers.

Yeah, but that's because Spain has plenty of mountains and hills. The rivers here are difficult, fast flowing and heavily seasonal - adding that to our dry climate means that they aren't navigable

This has always been known, and actually was a major factor affecting campaigns in the Peninsula both in 1702-1714 and 1808-1814. Only the Guadalquivir up to Seville by small ships (up to Cordoba and higher in flat bottom boats) and a short stretch of the Ebro are navigable in Spain; both the Douro and the Tagus are navigable near their mouths, in Portugal, but again only short stretches of them.   
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: Malthus on April 23, 2009, 08:03:26 AM
Heh, picking out rivers on a map and assuming they are navagable - my dad used to make that error regularly when planning our canoe routes.  :lol:

Many a mile of wading in our underwear through leech and mosquito infested swamps was the usual result ... "builds character" he would say.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: Alatriste on April 24, 2009, 01:26:32 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2009, 08:03:26 AM
Heh, picking out rivers on a map and assuming they are navagable - my dad used to make that error regularly when planning our canoe routes.  :lol:

Many a mile of wading in our underwear through leech and mosquito infested swamps was the usual result ... "builds character" he would say.  :rolleyes:

Let me guess: he loved Calvin & Hobbes.
Title: Re: How remote is our world?
Post by: Malthus on April 24, 2009, 08:26:19 AM
Quote from: Alatriste on April 24, 2009, 01:26:32 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2009, 08:03:26 AM
Heh, picking out rivers on a map and assuming they are navagable - my dad used to make that error regularly when planning our canoe routes.  :lol:

Many a mile of wading in our underwear through leech and mosquito infested swamps was the usual result ... "builds character" he would say.  :rolleyes:

Let me guess: he loved Calvin & Hobbes.

:lol:

The worst part is that the mosquitoes didn't bother him at all - it was like he was immune to them. Probably a result of his semi-feral childhood growing up in the woods.