Fashion Icons should be sent to the camps!
http://news.yahoo.com/book-claims-coco-chanel-nazi-spy-164144108.html
QuoteNew book claims Coco Chanel was Nazi spy
APBy JENNY BARCHFIELD - AP Fashion Writer | AP – 12 hrs ago
PARIS (AP) — Coco Chanel: A fashion icon whose name has become shorthand for timeless French chic, a shrewd businesswoman who overcame a childhood of poverty to build a luxury supernova and ... a Nazi spy?
A new book by a Paris-based American historian suggests Chanel not only had a wartime affair with a German aristocrat and spy, but that she herself was also an agent of Germany's Abwehr military intelligence organization and a rabid anti-Semite.
Doubts about Chanel's loyalties during World War II have long festered, but "Sleeping with the Enemy: Coco Chanel's Secret War" goes well beyond those previous allegations, citing as evidence documents culled from archives around the world.
The book, published in the U.S. on Tuesday by Knopf, has ruffled feathers in France, where the luxury industry is a pillar of the economy and Chanel is widely regarded as the crowning jewel.
The House of Chanel was quick to react, saying in a statement that "more than 57 books have been written about Gabrielle Chanel. ... We would encourage you to consult some of the more serious ones."
Hal Vaughan, an 84-year-old World War II veteran and longtime journalist who previously wrote two other history books, insists that he is serious. "Sleeping with the Enemy" is the fruit of more than four years of intense labor born out of an accidental find in France's national police archive, he said.
"I was looking for something else and I come across this document saying 'Chanel is a Nazi agent, her number is blah, blah, blah and her pseudonym is Westminster,'" Vaughan told The Associated Press. "I look at this again and I say, 'What the hell is this?' I couldn't believe my eyes!
"Then I really started hunting through all of the archives, in the United States, in London, in Berlin and in Rome and I come across not one, but 20, 30, 40 absolutely solid archival materials on Chanel and her lover, Baron Hans Gunther von Dincklage, who was a professional Abwehr spy," Vaughan said.
Born in 1883 in a hospice for the poor in France's western Pays de la Loire region, Gabrielle Chanel had remade herself into the famed couturiere and proudly independent Coco Chanel by the outbreak of World War II. During the conflict, she holed up with von Dincklage — a dashing German officer 12 years her junior who was one in her long string of lovers — in Paris' Ritz Hotel, which was then under Nazi control.
The book alleges that in 1940, Chanel was recruited into the Abwehr — her nom de guerre borrowed from another of her lovers, the Duke of Westminster. A year later, she traveled to Spain on a spy mission — on condition that the Nazis release her nephew from a military internment camp — and later went to Berlin on the orders of a top SS general, the book says.
It also suggests that Chanel's alleged anti-Semitism pushed her to try to capitalize on laws allowing for the expropriation of Jewish property to wrest control of the Chanel perfume lines from the Wertheimer brothers, a Jewish family who'd helped make her Chanel No. 5 a worldwide best-seller.
The Chanel statement refuted the claim, although it added that company officials have yet to read the book and had only seen media excerpts.
"She would hardly have formed a relationship with the family" — which currently owns the entire Chanel brand empire — "or counted Jewish people among her close friends and professional partners," it says.
A US-based organization of Holocaust survivors said it was "shocked" by the book's allegations and called on Chanel to launch an independent investigation into the book's claims.
"The documents on Ms. Chanel's past are too serious and historically important to be cavalierly dismissed by the fashion house without any effort to confirm their veracity through objective research," said Elan Steinberg, vice-president of the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants.
After the war, Chanel was arrested and released hours later, saved by "the intervention of her old friend Winston Churchill," the press release for the book said. She fled to Switzerland.
Asked why the book, which is chock-a-block with allegations of Chanel's shady dealings before, during and after the war, had turned up so much more dirt than the scores of previous biographies about the fashion icon, Vaughan had two explanations. Firstly, many of the documents he cited had only recently been declassified.
Secondly, he said, many people have a vested interest in protecting Chanel's aura of unsullied chic.
"A lot of people in this world don't want the iconic figure of Gabrielle Coco Chanel, one of France's great cultural idols, destroyed," said Vaughan. "This is definitely something that a lot of people would have preferred to put aside, to forget, to just go on selling Chanel scarves and jewelry."
Despite the doubts that have long lingered over Chanel's wartime doings, the multi-billion-dollar fashion brand that bears her name has sought to spotlight its founder. For the set of its last runway show — the fall-winter 2011 haute couture collection in July — the brand recreated a life-sized version of Paris' tony Place Vendome, swapping the towering Napoleon statue for a sculpture of Coco Chanel in her iconic tweeds.
Asked whether he thought "Sleeping with the Enemy" would tarnish the brand's reputation or adversely affect sales, Vaughan snickered.
"There's an expression in French, which translates as 'the dogs bark and the caravans pass,' and that's exactly what's going to happen here with this book," he predicted. Karl Lagerfeld — the brand's current designer whose ponytailed silhouette is almost as iconic as Chanel herself — "is not going to let this thing drift off anywhere, and Chanel will be a name for the next, I don't know, hundred years."
So?
That stinks
What's wrong with joining the winning team? She just happened to pick the wrong one, 'sall.
Innuendo and speculation is not enough to sway me. I need solid proof in order to start buying Chanel. :mad:
The pretense that this has not all been known since the war is amusing. To call her a "spy" is probably going too far, though; her collaboration with the Germans and actions against Jews were overt, while "spy" implies covertness.
Well, Wehrmacht and Waffen SS were the smartest dressers in WW2 . . .
I too seem to recall hearing such things before. Interesting, nonetheless. :bowler:
"Historically important"? At best, it's trivia. I'm not defending collaborating with the Nazis, but it's hardly news that lots of Frenchmen did collaborate, and exactly which French citizens did and which ones didn't isn't really that important (especially when we're talking about ones that died 40 years ago--new allegations of someone living being directly involved in atrocities would be another story).
Quote from: Syt on August 18, 2011, 07:30:30 AM
Well, Wehrmacht and Waffen SS were the smartest dressers in WW2 . . .
Thanks to Hugo Boss! :P
Damn you weren't kidding about Hugo Boss. That is hilarious.
Quote from: Valmy on August 18, 2011, 08:56:26 AM
Damn you weren't kidding about Hugo Boss. That is hilarious.
Yeah, but at least he was a German citizen, so you can't really call him a collaborator.
Of course, he wasn't just a German citizen--he was also a party member, and given that he joined before Hitler came to power, we can surmise that he likely wasn't one of those Germans who joined just because it seemed like a good career move.
Quote from: dps on August 18, 2011, 09:09:23 AM
Yeah, but at least he was a German citizen, so you can't really call him a collaborator.
Collaborators = worse than Himmler?
I just thought it was hilarious that a world famous fashion designer really did design the Nazi's famously fabulous unis.
Quote from: Valmy on August 18, 2011, 09:13:51 AM
Quote from: dps on August 18, 2011, 09:09:23 AM
Yeah, but at least he was a German citizen, so you can't really call him a collaborator.
Collaborators = worse than Himmler?
I just thought it was hilarious that a world famous fashion designer really did design the Nazi's famously fabulous unis.
What--did you think Himmler designed them himself?
Quote from: dps on August 18, 2011, 09:15:38 AM
What--did you think Himmler designed them himself?
Well I do not think Napoleon designed the unis the Old Guard wore either but as far as I know it was not some famous fashion designer who did it.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 18, 2011, 03:14:57 AM
Fashion Icons should be sent to the camps!
http://news.yahoo.com/book-claims-coco-chanel-nazi-spy-164144108.html
QuoteNew book claims Coco Chanel was Nazi spy
APBy JENNY BARCHFIELD - AP Fashion Writer | AP – 12 hrs ago
I'm pretty sure fashonistas were sent to the camps
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Wow way to leap over the line of good taste with both feet.
This has been known since forever.
Quote from: dps on August 18, 2011, 08:49:02 AM
"Historically important"? At best, it's trivia. I'm not defending collaborating with the Nazis, but it's hardly news that lots of Frenchmen did collaborate, and exactly which French citizens did and which ones didn't isn't really that important (especially when we're talking about ones that died 40 years ago--new allegations of someone living being directly involved in atrocities would be another story).
ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!!!1111
Don't be silly. Who was and wasn't a Nazi isn't important anymore.
Quote from: Zanza on August 18, 2011, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: Syt on August 18, 2011, 07:30:30 AM
Well, Wehrmacht and Waffen SS were the smartest dressers in WW2 . . .
Thanks to Hugo Boss! :P
Wow, WTF? There sure were a lot of Nazis in Germany during the WWII period. :hmm:
I think the founder of L'Oreal also heavily collaborated with the nazis.
I have aryan wardrobe and cosmetics. :cool:
While the company Hugo Boss as we know it know is still the same, they only started producing suits and the like after the war. So the person Hugo Boss was not really a fashion designer, just a textile industrialist.
Aye, not such a big deal.
Fanta is still going afterall.
Fanta was run by Nazis?
It was invented by Coca-Cola Germany in 1941 because they couldn't get the ingredients for Coke anymore.
Quote from: Martinus on August 19, 2011, 01:37:22 AM
I think the founder of L'Oreal also heavily collaborated with the nazis.
Both Schueller (the founder) and Bettencourt (his right-hand man, future son-in-law, and heir) were far-right and anti-semites, but like many French fascists, they were also nationalists (and opportunists), which made them hard to situate in relation to Nazis. The first seems to have switched over to the Résistance earlier than the second.
You got to admit, Nazi uniforms were fashion. :ph34r:
Quote from: Drakken on August 21, 2011, 07:11:08 PM
You got to admit, Nazi uniforms were fashion. :ph34r:
The military uniforms devinitivlisch, but the various civilian uniforms were kind of bufoonish.
I like the old Prussian Police unis.