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Title: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Brazen on August 04, 2011, 10:08:11 AM
I don't get this concept of downloading porn. Every time they catch some pervert, he always has tens of thousands of indecent images on their computer. Surely you just look at the filth of your choice online as the will takes you?
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 10:11:24 AM
I assume that pervs are storing and trading pics that are otherwise unobtainable or illegal.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on August 04, 2011, 10:25:50 AM
Every pic you look at online is "stored" in your cache though; and even if you delete them they are merely deleted from the catalog (or whatever it's called) and actually remain on the hard drive until overwritten by some other stuff. I'd kind of assumed that a lot of pervs didn't know this  :huh:
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: The Brain on August 04, 2011, 10:45:11 AM
What the others said.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Martinus on August 04, 2011, 11:11:01 AM
I think there is an element of "hoarding" involved, which is more of a psychological than an actual need. I also think this is a response rooted in the past, when online access to streaming porn was impossible due to slow internet connection.

Plus of course some porn is paid per view, but can be downloaded, so there is a benefit to having it on your harddrive rather than accessing it online.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Martinus on August 04, 2011, 11:14:21 AM
I have actually freed up about 40 GB of old porn collection on my hard drive recently because I realized that I can access it online at any time.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Eddie Teach on August 04, 2011, 11:19:55 AM
Some sites have you pay a high subscription fee that gives access to anything on their site, if you want to see any of it after you've canceled after that first month you'll need to have downloaded it.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Josephus on August 04, 2011, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 04, 2011, 10:25:50 AM
Every pic you look at online is "stored" in your cache though; and even if you delete them they are merely deleted from the catalog (or whatever it's called) and actually remain on the hard drive until overwritten by some other stuff. I'd kind of assumed that a lot of pervs didn't know this  :huh:

So when you do that, how come your hard drive capacity increases when you delete the pics, if the stuff is still "stored." I mean I know that's correct, but I never understood it.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Valmy on August 04, 2011, 11:20:56 AM
Quote from: Brazen on August 04, 2011, 10:08:11 AM
I don't get this concept of downloading porn. Every time they catch some pervert, he always has tens of thousands of indecent images on their computer. Surely you just look at the filth of your choice online as the will takes you?

I saved the stuff I paid for.  The peace of mind knowing you are not going to get some sort of horrible virus or internet worm was worth the couple bucks.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Grey Fox on August 04, 2011, 11:22:54 AM
Because kiddie porn is only found on old usenet forums nowadays.

Well, I assume.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on August 04, 2011, 11:25:01 AM
Quote from: Josephus on August 04, 2011, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 04, 2011, 10:25:50 AM
Every pic you look at online is "stored" in your cache though; and even if you delete them they are merely deleted from the catalog (or whatever it's called) and actually remain on the hard drive until overwritten by some other stuff. I'd kind of assumed that a lot of pervs didn't know this  :huh:

So when you do that, how come your hard drive capacity increases when you delete the pics, if the stuff is still "stored." I mean I know that's correct, but I never understood it.

While the pics were undeleted they had reserved disk space, on deletion that space can now be overwitten and is available.

Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Ideologue on August 04, 2011, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 04, 2011, 11:14:21 AM
I have actually freed up about 40 GB of old porn collection on my hard drive recently because I realized that I can access it online at any time.

See, I'd tend to agree, although the "any time" may be problematic--and this applies to other content, not just porn.  I mean, my Internet was out for about 30 hours this week.  That's an extreme case, but I wasn't bound to be bored, since I have a great deal of local content, from MST3K episodes to COHF videos.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.   
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Josephus on August 04, 2011, 12:30:33 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.

Methinks you know about this too much.... ;)
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Valmy on August 04, 2011, 12:31:53 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.   

If I was into that sort of thing I would have it on an external hard drive or USB data stick and bring it out of its hiding place when I wanted to indulge.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:32:26 PM
Quote from: Josephus on August 04, 2011, 12:30:33 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.

Methinks you know about this too much.... ;)

I know kiddie porn is illegal?  :huh:

I hope you know as much.  :P
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: DGuller on August 04, 2011, 12:32:42 PM
Quote from: Josephus on August 04, 2011, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 04, 2011, 10:25:50 AM
Every pic you look at online is "stored" in your cache though; and even if you delete them they are merely deleted from the catalog (or whatever it's called) and actually remain on the hard drive until overwritten by some other stuff. I'd kind of assumed that a lot of pervs didn't know this  :huh:

So when you do that, how come your hard drive capacity increases when you delete the pics, if the stuff is still "stored." I mean I know that's correct, but I never understood it.
Some space is marked as free, but actually isn't free, it has the deleted files on it.  At some point this space will be reclaimed by new files, at which point the old deleted ones will be overwritten.  Until that happens, though, the old deleted files can be restored.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:34:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 04, 2011, 12:31:53 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.   

If I was into that sort of thing I would have it on an external hard drive or USB data stick and bring it out of its hiding place when I wanted to indulge.

Fair enough, though if the cops already had enough on you to search your computer, they would probably search your room for hard drives as well.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on August 04, 2011, 12:53:48 PM
I've never understood the porn hoarding... other digital files, like TV, comics, movies, music of non porny status sure. I hoard those, but porn?

you look at it then go away. I don't get watching the same porn over and over.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Slargos on August 04, 2011, 12:59:37 PM
Well sure. But some specimens are simply good enough that you may want to revisit them again. Do you never watch a movie twice either?  :P
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on August 04, 2011, 01:02:51 PM
Quote from: Slargos on August 04, 2011, 12:59:37 PM
Well sure. But some specimens are simply good enough that you may want to revisit them again. Do you never watch a movie twice either?  :P

I do watch quality films over and over, but porn, meh. I'm just not that into seeing stuff over and over. (certain performers though I keep my eyes peeled for, though.)
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Martinus on August 04, 2011, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 04, 2011, 12:53:48 PM
I've never understood the porn hoarding... other digital files, like TV, comics, movies, music of non porny status sure. I hoard those, but porn?

you look at it then go away. I don't get watching the same porn over and over.

Why would you hoard movies or tv, by the same logic? One rarely goes back to rewatch them and technically they are all available if you want to rewatch them.  :huh:
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: The Brain on August 04, 2011, 01:20:58 PM
I play my pile of porn scenes on random, stay a while on some and next others until I find one that brings me to that special place.

Thank you for asking.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Ideologue on August 04, 2011, 01:23:24 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 04, 2011, 12:53:48 PM
I've never understood the porn hoarding... other digital files, like TV, comics, movies, music of non porny status sure. I hoard those, but porn?

you look at it then go away. I don't get watching the same porn over and over.

You just don't understand art.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: DGuller on August 04, 2011, 01:35:37 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 04, 2011, 01:20:58 PM
I play my pile of porn scenes on random, stay a while on some and next others until I find one that brings me to that special place.

Thank you for asking.
Animal Planet documentaries?  :)
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: The Brain on August 04, 2011, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 04, 2011, 01:35:37 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 04, 2011, 01:20:58 PM
I play my pile of porn scenes on random, stay a while on some and next others until I find one that brings me to that special place.

Thank you for asking.
Animal Planet documentaries?  :)

I don't know where this rumor comes from.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Valmy on August 04, 2011, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:34:22 PM
Fair enough, though if the cops already had enough on you to search your computer, they would probably search your room for hard drives as well.

Usually when this happens it is dude getting his laptop searched at an airport or something.  If you are busted to the point somebody has a search warrant for your home...well that is something else entirely.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: viper37 on August 04, 2011, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 04, 2011, 11:22:54 AM
Because kiddie porn is only found on old usenet forums nowadays.

Well, I assume.
the recent ring they dismantled seemed to have a pretty recent board, with actual ranking system and priviledges to go with it.  I don't think it exists on Usenet.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Eddie Teach on August 04, 2011, 05:47:01 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 04, 2011, 01:36:59 PM
I don't know where this rumor comes from.

I blame Jaron.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Barrister on August 04, 2011, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.

Nah - even on the kiddie porn files they usually have a ton of "legitimate" porn as well on their hard drives.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 04, 2011, 06:40:08 PM
Beeb: is that usually discrete files, uncleared caches, or can you not say?

Honestly, I'm completely paranoid about what gets left on my computer, so I delete with programs that meet NSA spec (writes over the sector where the deleted data was 7 times).  A good computer forensic tech can even extrapolate data that's been overwritten once or twice.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Barrister on August 05, 2011, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 04, 2011, 06:40:08 PM
Beeb: is that usually discrete files, uncleared caches, or can you not say?

Honestly, I'm completely paranoid about what gets left on my computer, so I delete with programs that meet NSA spec (writes over the sector where the deleted data was 7 times).  A good computer forensic tech can even extrapolate data that's been overwritten once or twice.

Discrete files from what I recall.  Not my files though, so my knowledge was just from discussions with colleagues.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 04, 2011, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.

Nah - even on the kiddie porn files they usually have a ton of "legitimate" porn as well on their hard drives.

Scare quotes are for..?
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Malthus on August 05, 2011, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 04, 2011, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.

Nah - even on the kiddie porn files they usually have a ton of "legitimate" porn as well on their hard drives.

Scare quotes are for..?

Not scare quotes. Used because "legitimate" is a purely invented term in this context. 
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 11:37:18 AM
Quote from: Malthus on August 05, 2011, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 04, 2011, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.

Nah - even on the kiddie porn files they usually have a ton of "legitimate" porn as well on their hard drives.

Scare quotes are for..?

Not scare quotes. Used because "legitimate" is a purely invented term in this context.

I'm not sure what you mean.  Do you mean "lawful in itself, but probably procured in violation of copyright law"? :unsure:
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: HVC on August 05, 2011, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 11:37:18 AM
Quote from: Malthus on August 05, 2011, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 04, 2011, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.

Nah - even on the kiddie porn files they usually have a ton of "legitimate" porn as well on their hard drives.

Scare quotes are for..?

Not scare quotes. Used because "legitimate" is a purely invented term in this context.

I'm not sure what you mean.  Does legitimate mean or connote something other than lawful? :unsure:
one man's "legitmate" porn is another mans "freaky, yet legal, snm" porn (i'm looking at you CdM :P). That's ahow a read the quote marks.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 11:41:02 AM
Yeah, I read it as a moralizing aside, but I posited an alternative. -_-
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on August 05, 2011, 12:44:18 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 04, 2011, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 04, 2011, 12:53:48 PM
I've never understood the porn hoarding... other digital files, like TV, comics, movies, music of non porny status sure. I hoard those, but porn?

you look at it then go away. I don't get watching the same porn over and over.

Why would you hoard movies or tv, by the same logic? One rarely goes back to rewatch them and technically they are all available if you want to rewatch them.  :huh:

I do. I watch movies worth watching more than once, often dozens of times. tv not as much, but it's kind of an addiction. and technically no lots of movies go out of print.. for example some cunt stole our dvd of Barfly... avail in north America legally? nope outta print... goes on ebay for too much money.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Malthus on August 05, 2011, 12:52:02 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 11:41:02 AM
Yeah, I read it as a moralizing aside, but I posited an alternative. -_-

You guys fail.  :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark#Signaling_unusual_usage

"Legitimate" is not a term of art for porn. Porn is not, in fact, divided into legitimate and illigitimate (the established terms would be legal & illegal). Hence use of quotes. Scare quotes are something else again. 
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Razgovory on August 05, 2011, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 04, 2011, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.

Nah - even on the kiddie porn files they usually have a ton of "legitimate" porn as well on their hard drives.

How do you distinguish kiddie porn from legitimate porn?  How do you know any given picture or video is someone underage, as opposed to someone who is legal age but just appears young?
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Barrister on August 05, 2011, 01:11:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 05, 2011, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 04, 2011, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.

Nah - even on the kiddie porn files they usually have a ton of "legitimate" porn as well on their hard drives.

How do you distinguish kiddie porn from legitimate porn?  How do you know any given picture or video is someone underage, as opposed to someone who is legal age but just appears young?

That can in fact be quite a problem.

In order to make out a conviction you have to prove that ther person depicted is, or appears to be, under the age of 18 on a standard of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".  Lots of charges are withdrawn, or never laid in the first place, because the age of the subject is ambiguous.  Also, there is a large "legitimate" market for 'barely legal' porn.

You are entitled to look at all of the circumstances and evidence.  That incldues the image itself of course, but also the file name, where and how it is stored, and other documentary evidence from the computer.  So, an image itself may be arguable, but if the file name is 13yogirl.jpg stored under the directory /childporn, you can probably get a conviction.

PLus of course lots of child porn leaves you with no doubt that the subject is well under the age of 18. :x
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: HVC on August 05, 2011, 01:12:00 PM
Vigorous, hand cramping, examination :contract:
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Eddie Teach on August 05, 2011, 01:15:02 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 05, 2011, 01:11:41 PM
You are entitled to look at all of the circumstances and evidence.  That incldues the image itself of course, but also the file name, where and how it is stored, and other documentary evidence from the computer.  So, an image itself may be arguable, but if the file name is 13yogirl.jpg stored under the directory /childporn, you can probably get a conviction.

What if 13yogirl.jpg is an image of Mother Teresa?  :hmm:
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Barrister on August 05, 2011, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 05, 2011, 01:15:02 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 05, 2011, 01:11:41 PM
You are entitled to look at all of the circumstances and evidence.  That incldues the image itself of course, but also the file name, where and how it is stored, and other documentary evidence from the computer.  So, an image itself may be arguable, but if the file name is 13yogirl.jpg stored under the directory /childporn, you can probably get a conviction.

What if 13yogirl.jpg is an image of Mother Teresa?  :hmm:

:contract:
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Malthus on August 05, 2011, 01:18:43 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 05, 2011, 01:15:02 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 05, 2011, 01:11:41 PM
You are entitled to look at all of the circumstances and evidence.  That incldues the image itself of course, but also the file name, where and how it is stored, and other documentary evidence from the computer.  So, an image itself may be arguable, but if the file name is 13yogirl.jpg stored under the directory /childporn, you can probably get a conviction.

What if 13yogirl.jpg is an image of Mother Teresa?  :hmm:

Porn pics of Mother Teresa when she was 13?  :hmm:

Argue that they are historically valuable.  ;)
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Razgovory on August 05, 2011, 01:21:04 PM
I have decided to stop sorting my porn by how long it's been on my hard drive.  A porn cache from 1998 will no longer be in a folder titled "13 year old porn".
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Barrister on August 05, 2011, 01:25:20 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 05, 2011, 01:21:04 PM
I have decided to stop sorting my porn by how long it's been on my hard drive.  A porn cache from 1998 will no longer be in a folder titled "13 year old porn".

:yes:

/1998 is a much more effective directory name.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: dps on August 05, 2011, 03:20:35 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 05, 2011, 12:44:18 PM
for example some cunt stole our dvd of Barfly... avail in north America legally? nope outta print... goes on ebay for too much money.

Ebay's illegal in Canada?











;)
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: dps on August 05, 2011, 03:21:46 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 05, 2011, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 11:37:18 AM
Quote from: Malthus on August 05, 2011, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 04, 2011, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.

Nah - even on the kiddie porn files they usually have a ton of "legitimate" porn as well on their hard drives.

Scare quotes are for..?

Not scare quotes. Used because "legitimate" is a purely invented term in this context.

I'm not sure what you mean.  Does legitimate mean or connote something other than lawful? :unsure:
one man's "legitmate" porn is another mans "freaky, yet legal, snm" porn (i'm looking at you CdM :P). That's ahow a read the quote marks.

I was kind of reading it as meaning that BB feels all porn should be illegal.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Barrister on August 05, 2011, 03:37:46 PM
Quote from: dps on August 05, 2011, 03:21:46 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 05, 2011, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 11:37:18 AM
Quote from: Malthus on August 05, 2011, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 04, 2011, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 04, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Thing is, you guys are all talking about more or less "legitimate" porn, that you can download from a pay site or for free. The OP is talking about pervs being busted, presumably for having illegitimate porn, like kiddie porn. That stuff is no doubt somewhat hard to get, being illegal, so naturally the pervs in question are going to want to save it when they find some.

Nah - even on the kiddie porn files they usually have a ton of "legitimate" porn as well on their hard drives.

Scare quotes are for..?

Not scare quotes. Used because "legitimate" is a purely invented term in this context.

I'm not sure what you mean.  Does legitimate mean or connote something other than lawful? :unsure:
one man's "legitmate" porn is another mans "freaky, yet legal, snm" porn (i'm looking at you CdM :P). That's ahow a read the quote marks.

I was kind of reading it as meaning that BB feels all porn should be illegal.

I was merely following Malthus' usage of the term.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: The Brain on August 05, 2011, 03:42:26 PM
Yeah, follow big pharma's lead.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Malthus on August 05, 2011, 03:45:10 PM
Quote from: dps on August 05, 2011, 03:21:46 PM
I was kind of reading it as meaning that BB feels all porn should be illegal.

A sentiment that would earn instant and public execution on this board.  :lol:
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: dps on August 05, 2011, 03:52:19 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 05, 2011, 03:45:10 PM
Quote from: dps on August 05, 2011, 03:21:46 PM
I was kind of reading it as meaning that BB feels all porn should be illegal.

A sentiment that would earn instant and public execution on this board.  :lol:

I have no problem with that.  I support the death penalty, remember.

I'm sure that it says a lot about Languish that it's a place where even the right-wing Christian fundamentalists openly confess their enjoyment of porn.   Exactly what it says, I don't know, but I'm sure it says something.

Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Malthus on August 05, 2011, 04:09:23 PM
Quote from: dps on August 05, 2011, 03:52:19 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 05, 2011, 03:45:10 PM
Quote from: dps on August 05, 2011, 03:21:46 PM
I was kind of reading it as meaning that BB feels all porn should be illegal.

A sentiment that would earn instant and public execution on this board.  :lol:

I have no problem with that.  I support the death penalty, remember.

I'm sure that it says a lot about Languish that it's a place where even the right-wing Christian fundamentalists openly confess their enjoyment of porn.   Exactly what it says, I don't know, but I'm sure it says something.

That we don't care enough about what we think of each other to bother to lie?  ;)
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Martinus on August 05, 2011, 04:11:00 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 05, 2011, 12:52:02 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 11:41:02 AM
Yeah, I read it as a moralizing aside, but I posited an alternative. -_-

You guys fail.  :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark#Signaling_unusual_usage

"Legitimate" is not a term of art for porn. Porn is not, in fact, divided into legitimate and illigitimate (the established terms would be legal & illegal). Hence use of quotes. Scare quotes are something else again.

Well, you could also say that "Debbie Does Dallas" is legitimate porn, whereas National Geographic's "Women of Africa" is not. :P
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Martinus on August 05, 2011, 04:14:32 PM
Incidentally, why does English language uses words "girl" (and in gay sex, "boy") to denote relatively young, but of legal age, objects of sexual desire, when the same words are also used to denote kids?

Anglosaxons: pedophiles at heart?
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Eddie Teach on August 05, 2011, 04:24:37 PM
:wacko:

Ugly 20 somethings get called boys or girls too.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 08:33:18 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 05, 2011, 01:21:04 PM
I have decided to stop sorting my porn by how long it's been on my hard drive.  A porn cache from 1998 will no longer be in a folder titled "13 year old porn".
:lol:

Quote from: MartinusIncidentally, why does English language uses words "girl" (and in gay sex, "boy") to denote relatively young, but of legal age, objects of sexual desire, when the same words are also used to denote kids?

"Girl" is close to synonymous with "woman" anyway.

"Kids" doesn't mean "elementary schoolchildren" either, but can probably be applied up to perhaps 30.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 08:36:29 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 05, 2011, 03:37:46 PM
I was merely following Malthus' usage of the term.

Even after he explained it, I still don't get the necessity of the quotation marks; legitimate in this context clearly means lawful.

But that said, it's surely the most useless thing in the world to argue over. -_-
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: dps on August 05, 2011, 09:06:21 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 05, 2011, 08:36:29 PM
But that said, it's surely the most useless thing in the world to argue over. -_-

That's the Languish way, though.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 07, 2011, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 05, 2011, 01:11:41 PM
That can in fact be quite a problem.

In order to make out a conviction you have to prove that ther person depicted is, or appears to be, under the age of 18 on a standard of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".  Lots of charges are withdrawn, or never laid in the first place, because the age of the subject is ambiguous.  Also, there is a large "legitimate" market for 'barely legal' porn.

You are entitled to look at all of the circumstances and evidence.  That incldues the image itself of course, but also the file name, where and how it is stored, and other documentary evidence from the computer.  So, an image itself may be arguable, but if the file name is 13yogirl.jpg stored under the directory /childporn, you can probably get a conviction.

PLus of course lots of child porn leaves you with no doubt that the subject is well under the age of 18. :x

I guess, depending on the scale of the case, you could also get two experts in to clear it up- a digital photo editing expert to testify that the image hasn't been significantly doctored and a forensic anthropologist to testify that the age range is below adulthood.

Interesting stuff, forensic anthropology- was just checking out an exhibit on it at the Mutter Museum a few weeks ago; it's really nothing like what the show "Bones" leads people to believe.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Eddie Teach on August 07, 2011, 08:51:13 AM
Next thing you'll tell us that real archeologists aren't anything like Indiana Jones.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 07, 2011, 09:39:29 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 07, 2011, 08:51:13 AM
Next thing you'll tell us that real archeologists aren't anything like Indiana Jones.

Har har har.  No, I realized that it was different, but not that different- I figured a series based on books by a forensic anthropologist would bear a little more similarity to the field.  As it stands, virtually every definitive answer that comes up in the show is closer to science fiction than the real deal.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Eddie Teach on August 07, 2011, 09:46:45 AM
Cop shows have to be exciting if they want an audience. Real life forensics isn't very exciting. I'm not sure why you'd expect it to be otherwise.  :huh:
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Viking on August 07, 2011, 10:40:15 AM
CCleaner is the pree-verts best friend when it comes to clearing out the pr0n.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Razgovory on August 07, 2011, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: Viking on August 07, 2011, 10:40:15 AM
CCleaner is the pree-verts best friend when it comes to clearing out the pr0n.

I found it's useful for non-perverts as well.  I had a difficult time reinstalling EU3 before I used CCleaner.
Title: Re: "Downloading" pr0n
Post by: Josquius on August 09, 2011, 05:29:16 AM
Internet is unreliable.
There's always the risk of going without for hours...days...weeks....
And websites vanish. Files are removed. With stuff of dubious legality I'd imagine this happens regularly, if at least to try and stay one step ahead of the authorities.